thats the thing with joe people are ready to give him the crown
but as loud as he is by saying that he is untouchable and independent
he moves like one that is not
playahatian already gave a few examples
i get why people dont name juan tho.
altho peter did had a hand of starting joe budden podcast.
combat jack is what the podcast world is today and joe took it to another level.
That's the thing you gotta give Juan Ep it's proper due. They STARTED this lane. That can't be disputed.
And like you said add the fact Peter helped launch Budden too?
Now it's the fact that Peter is insufferable and we all know what Cipher did.
But we gotta chill with the picking and choosing.
Joe resume isn't exactly clean. Even the king Combat had a few in the industry that thought he did bad deals for them. My point is ALL these dudes have a history but it cannot erase their legacy.
I think it should be like the hall of fame SHOULD be. Address the good and bad.
Of course I'm talking within REASON.
Example I hate what Star did with Aalyiah and Envy kid. Period. But he still a Pioneer in hip hop media. Both things can be true and both need to never be forgotten