Mfkrs was probably high fiving an shit.....
"We're gonna show him/them, make merch based on it....hahaha"
Joe Budden podcast done? No Rory or Mal for 2nd straight episode
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Mfkrs was probably high fiving an shit.....
"We're gonna show him/them, make merch based on it....hahaha"
Mfkrs was probably high fiving an shit.....
"We're gonna show him/them, make merch based on it....hahaha"
nu nu nu nu-new bare & "minumum"!!!!
The Black culture platforms that push right-wing extremism
The Shade Room and "No Jumper" are ostensibly designed to reach Black audiences. And both have become hubs of extremist disinformation.
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The Black culture platforms that push right-wing extremism
The Shade Room and "No Jumper" are ostensibly designed to reach Black audiences. And both have become hubs of extremist disinformation.
April 10, 2023, 12:07 PM EDT
By Ja'han Jones
Stay woke, y’all.
In a ReidOut Blog from a little over a year ago, I warned of a few blogs and gossip platforms that ostensibly serve Black audiences being used to spread right-wing propaganda.
At the time, I specifically mentioned The Shade Room, Media Take Out and WorldStarHipHop as examples of platforms I’ve found to have spread right-wing talking points meant to discourage Black people from voting, pushed bigoted claims about LGBTQ people, and spread misinformation about Covid-19.
Unfortunately, there are new reports underscoring my point.
Media Matters, the progressive media watchdog, published a report last month about the hip-hop and Black culture podcast “No Jumper” and its creator Adam Grandmaison (also known as Adam22).
Grandmaison, who is white, has built a platform that fuels misogyny and gang culture — usually involving Black youth — through crass interviews and coverage. (To be clear, this has long garnered Grandmaison criticism from Black people.)
But "No Jumper" has apparently taken a more explicitly racist turn.
According to Media Matters:
You can read about some of that criticism here.
Some of the extremists who've appeared on the "No Jumper" platform include Nick Fuentes, the white nationalist invited to dine with Donald Trump late last year, as well as several Black guests and co-hosts who’ve spread antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Either The Shade Room is woefully ignorant, or it’s willfully piping right-wing conspiracy theories to its followers.
Along with the Media Matters report, I was also made aware of a post published by the gossip outlet The Shade Room this week that quotes right-wing lawmakers verbatim as they pushed unfounded claims similar to the racist “replacement theory.”
In The Shade Room post, the author quotes Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and other right-wingers referring to the “central bank digital currency” conspiracy theory, which essentially claims a global cabal is looking to establish digital currencies to patrol and control their citizens.
The theory plays on a common theme in right-wing disinformation: that a powerful group of nonwhite non-Americans, including Jewish elites, is seeking to undermine the American way of life.
The Shade Room also quoted Republican Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas, Mike Braun of Indiana and Chuck Grassley of Iowa as they whined about the threat posed by the Biden administration's nonexistent plans to create a "digital dollar."
The idea of these senators — all of whom have blocked voting rights measures and aligned themselves with Trump — pointing elsewhere to highlight alleged dangers to democracy is laughable.
So either The Shade Room is woefully ignorant, or it’s willfully piping right-wing conspiracy theories to its followers (or both).
I’ll leave it to you to guess why it is that a blog focused on Black culture is spewing conspiracy theories from anti-Black lawmakers.
In the meantime, if either of the aforementioned platforms are part of your news diet, I recommend a cleanse
The No Jumper podcast is mainstreaming neo-Nazis and hate figures to its audience of millions
No Jumper, which built a following by covering hip-hop and Black culture, is now embracing racists and bigots
WRITTEN BY JUSTIN HOROWITZ
PUBLISHED 03/30/23 10:15 AM EDT
“Did I just do my part to sort of like make being racist seem chill to people?” No Jumper podcast host Adam Grandmaison asked after interviewing white nationalist Nick Fuentes.
“Yeah, probably,” his co-host responded.
Grandmaison, who goes by Adam22, is the creator of No Jumper, a popular hip-hop and pop culture podcast and YouTube channel that has historically interviewed rappers, musicians, and tastemakers.
Over the past year, No Jumper has delved into platforming viral hate figures, including white nationalists, neo-Nazis, misogynists, and notorious antisemites. The show has a massive reach on social media, with over 4.5 million YouTube subscribers, 1.2 million Twitter followers, 3 million Instagram followers, and 2.1 million TikTok followers. Clips from the podcast are also available on Snapchat and the show has a large Discord following. Additionally, clips of viral hate figures’ appearances on the show have been posted on TikTok by various users.
Grandmaison, who is white, now invites white supremacists and racists onto a show that has many Black staff members and was born out of covering hip-hop and Black culture. This transitional period for the podcast comes at a time when Grandmaison faces criticism for reports of past predatory behavior.
The show lately appears to be going through a sort of reshaping, and Grandmaison’s decision to platform far-right provocateurs has confused and angered both viewers and his own staff. Some fans have given Grandmaison the nickname “Adolf22.”
Is it all for clicks? Does Grandmaison want to burn his empire to the ground? Is he trying to garner an audience of far-right trolls? It’s not entirely clear.
What is clear, though, is that platforming these bigoted and extremist figures on a show with over 4.5 million YouTube subscribers provides an opportunity to get their hateful messages across to new audiences.
Grandmaison has admitted that he is unprepared to push back against the extremist guests on the show, yet he continues to invite them on — allowing neo-Nazis and antisemites to whitewash their past, push dangerous conspiracy theories, and promote their projects on a huge platform.
Here is a breakdown of bigotry and extremism that have appeared on the No Jumper podcast:
Antisemitism
In multiple interviews, guests on No Jumper have made antisemitic comments and pushed dangerous conspiracy theories about Jewish people.
During the October 19, 2022, edition of No Jumper, Grandmaison hosted white nationalist, mega racist, and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes and misogynistic influencer Sneako (real name Nico Kenn De Balinthazy) for a “race debate” which included little pushback or argument from the hosts against their guests’ extremist rhetoric.
Fuentes and De Balinthazy worked for Ye (formerly Kanye West) on his unofficial campaign for president following the rapper’s pro-Nazi comments.
“Jews have the ultimate power,” De Balinthazy said during the interview. “That’s just true, they have ultimate control and power and they will abuse it if they need to protect their agenda.”
“Yeah, I mean, there’s no use arguing that one since we just saw it happen in front of our eyes with the Kanye-bank situation,” Grandmaison responded.
De Balinthazy and Fuentes then continued to push antisemitism.
“In every single industry, if you look at the end of the rabbit hole, it’s always a Jew who controls it,” De Balinthazy said.
“The label owners, the real estate owners, like, all the people with the most amount of money behind the scene is a Jewish guy,” he continued. “Why are we out here slaving away for Jews who are profiting off of us killing each other?”
“It’s obviously true that Jews have connections everywhere, in finance, Hollywood, media, universities,” Fuentes added.
Rather than calling out his guests for their openly antisemitic conspiracy theories, Grandmaison concluded the conversation about Jews by claiming that “it is interesting how we’ve been sort of trained to understand that certain things are off limits.”
Following the episode, Grandmaison admitted that his team would “edit out” Fuentes’ “Holocaust minimalism” in their interview.
The No Jumper crew has also repeatedly interviewed Nation of Islam member and conspiracy theorist Rizza Islam in recent months. The Nation of Islam is designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as an extremist group and it has a history of promoting antisemitism and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric.
During his October 2022 appearance, Islam downplayed the Nation of Islam’s antisemitism and described Jewish people as members of the “synagogue of Satan” who “have control over modern media and banking.”
While the term “synagogue of Satan” does come from the Bible, comparing Jewish people to the devil is a common antisemitic trope, especially among Nation of Islam leadership.
In January, Islam was interviewed by No Jumper crew member Poetik Flakko, who has praised Fuentes and said that he chats with him via text. (Other No Jumper co-hosts have joked that Flakko is a “Black white supremacist.”)
During their interview, Islam suggested that Jewish people “destroy” Black people’s “ability to have a livelihood, to take care of their family,” and pushed a debunked antisemitic conspiracy theory about Jewish people having had a substantial role in the trans-atlantic slave trade.
Flakko egged Islam on to go deeper into his antisemitic theory.
These antisemitic conspiracy theories likely violate YouTube’s policy against “content that targets an individual or group with conspiracy theories that have been used to justify real-world violence.”
Anti-Black comments and white nationalism
During his time on No Jumper, Fuentes downplayed his role as a neo-Nazi, racist, and misogynist, saying, “I love people, I love all kinds of people, I love Black people,” which is demonstrably false — Fuentes is an open white nationalist who uses the n-word during his livestreams.
Later in the interview, Fuentes complained that “Blacks get treated better than white people,” and falsely suggested that “Black people are committing the majority of the violent crime.”
In another edition of No Jumper mainstreaming extremists, Grandmaison invited notorious white nationalist Richard Spencer onto his show for a conversation. Spencer has used anti-Black and antisemitic slurs, helped organize the deadly 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and translated a Nazi phrase to celebrate former President Donald Trump's 2016 presidential win.
The episode started out with Grandmaison watering down Spencer’s history of white nationalism and suggesting that he is a new, improved person without citing any evidence.
“Richard Spencer seems like he has gone through quite a bit of a political transformation,” Grandmaison said. “He’s really not — or at least he doesn’t claim to be the version of him that a lot of people kind of remember from a while back.”
Later in the conversation, Grandmaison compared Spencer’s past quotes about his white identity to Black people being proud of their identity.
“Almost every quote that I’m seeing from you talking about your white identity or whatever is something that sounds eerily familiar to something I’ve heard Black people say in relatively mainstream circles in the last couple of years,” Grandmaison said. “A large percentage of them didn’t really seem all that shocking to me.”
“Well, I mean that’s true — there is a double standard,” Spencer added. “An actual white identity is something that we’re just not allowed to talk about.”
Misogyny
Grandmaison and No Jumper have invited numerous misogynistic “manosphere” influencers to talk about themselves and spread hatred toward women.
The manosphere is an online community of right-wing websites, bloggers, and influencers cultivating a worldview based on conservative gender politics repackaged for the internet age. The group, which valorizes pick up artists, violent misogynists, and so-called men’s rights advocates, often blames women for myriad societal woes and treats them as inferior.
No Jumper has previously featured Why Women Deserve Less author Myron Gaines (real name Amrou Fudl) and dating and lifestyle coach Walter Weekes. Fudl and Weekes host the Fresh & Fit podcast, which is a safe haven for extreme misogyny.
During their June 2021 interview, the Fresh & Fit podcasters argued that demeaning women and “asserting dominance” is a turn on. Later, Grandmaison described the women who appear on the Fresh & Fit podcast as “bitches” who are “retarded.”
Over the past year, No Jumper has platformed De Balinthazy, Hannah Pearl Davis, and Dan Bilzerian, all of whom are influencers who have demeaned women and made misogynistic comments.
During Grandmaison’s interview with Davis, who has ties to Fuentes, the pair laughed about calling a woman “a whale,” and Grandmaison later suggested that “girls in America are hoes” and “there is a lot of sluttery going on.”
In June 2022, Grandmaison sat down with right-wing poker player and misogynist Bilzerian, who attacked feminists, praised the manosphere, and made other misogynistic comments during the interview.
“Adam22” knows he’s platforming hate and extremism
It appears that Grandmaison knows that platforming extremists trades long-term brand damage for a short-term boost in clicks. That has not stopped him from continuing down this path.
Before he invited Fuentes on his show, Grandmaison explained his fears about platforming a white nationalist:
“I’ll be, like, normalizing him,” Grandmaison said. “Letting him come in and giving him a clean version of his platform when the reality of what he’s into might be a little bit darker.”
During the interview with Fuentes, Grandmaison stated that he would get backlash for his poor retorts:
“The more specific accusation about Nick is that he is basically bundling up his white supremacist ideas in this nice sports coat and everything and that he acts real cool,” Grandmaison said. “That’s what people are going to fucking destroy me for, is if I am not perceived as being aggressive enough toward Nick.”
During his interview with Spencer, Grandmaison even predicted that Media Matters would be interested in his mainstreaming of extremists:
“When I interviewed Nick Fuentes, I was ready to be on fucking Media Matters and ready to be torn apart for having a conversation with him,”
Grandmaison said. “Nobody gave a fuck.”
CitationFrom the March 6, 2023, edition of No Jumper, uploaded on YouTube
However, some of Grandmaison’s staff seem appalled at the direction of his podcast. Former No Jumper co-host AD (real name Armand Douglas) expressed his disagreement with Grandmaison for interviewing Spencer and allowing his extremist past to be whitewashed:
“I’m a little disappointed,” Douglas said. “You have a mostly Black staff. This No Jumper is built off of hip-hop.”
“What the fuck are we doing? Why are we platforming this guy?” Douglas later added. “We’ve got to hold everybody accountable, including Adam.”
Douglas reportedly quit No Jumper around one week after calling out Grandmaison for platforming bigots, joining several other co-hosts who have recently left the show.
No Jumper’s decision to host and mainstream far-right zealots comes as antisemitic and racially based hate crimes are on the rise and white supremacist propaganda is proliferating across the country and online. Despite the growing backlash No Jumper has received from fans and staff, Grandmaison has seemingly decided now is the time to double down on using his show to platform hate and bigotry.
No Jumper, which built a following by covering hip-hop and Black culture, is now embracing racists and bigots
WRITTEN BY JUSTIN HOROWITZ
PUBLISHED 03/30/23 10:15 AM EDT
“Did I just do my part to sort of like make being racist seem chill to people?” No Jumper podcast host Adam Grandmaison asked after interviewing white nationalist Nick Fuentes.
“Yeah, probably,” his co-host responded.
Grandmaison, who goes by Adam22, is the creator of No Jumper, a popular hip-hop and pop culture podcast and YouTube channel that has historically interviewed rappers, musicians, and tastemakers.
Over the past year, No Jumper has delved into platforming viral hate figures, including white nationalists, neo-Nazis, misogynists, and notorious antisemites. The show has a massive reach on social media, with over 4.5 million YouTube subscribers, 1.2 million Twitter followers, 3 million Instagram followers, and 2.1 million TikTok followers. Clips from the podcast are also available on Snapchat and the show has a large Discord following. Additionally, clips of viral hate figures’ appearances on the show have been posted on TikTok by various users.
Grandmaison, who is white, now invites white supremacists and racists onto a show that has many Black staff members and was born out of covering hip-hop and Black culture. This transitional period for the podcast comes at a time when Grandmaison faces criticism for reports of past predatory behavior.
The show lately appears to be going through a sort of reshaping, and Grandmaison’s decision to platform far-right provocateurs has confused and angered both viewers and his own staff. Some fans have given Grandmaison the nickname “Adolf22.”
Is it all for clicks? Does Grandmaison want to burn his empire to the ground? Is he trying to garner an audience of far-right trolls? It’s not entirely clear.
What is clear, though, is that platforming these bigoted and extremist figures on a show with over 4.5 million YouTube subscribers provides an opportunity to get their hateful messages across to new audiences.
Grandmaison has admitted that he is unprepared to push back against the extremist guests on the show, yet he continues to invite them on — allowing neo-Nazis and antisemites to whitewash their past, push dangerous conspiracy theories, and promote their projects on a huge platform.
Here is a breakdown of bigotry and extremism that have appeared on the No Jumper podcast:
Antisemitism
In multiple interviews, guests on No Jumper have made antisemitic comments and pushed dangerous conspiracy theories about Jewish people.
During the October 19, 2022, edition of No Jumper, Grandmaison hosted white nationalist, mega racist, and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes and misogynistic influencer Sneako (real name Nico Kenn De Balinthazy) for a “race debate” which included little pushback or argument from the hosts against their guests’ extremist rhetoric.
Fuentes and De Balinthazy worked for Ye (formerly Kanye West) on his unofficial campaign for president following the rapper’s pro-Nazi comments.
“Jews have the ultimate power,” De Balinthazy said during the interview. “That’s just true, they have ultimate control and power and they will abuse it if they need to protect their agenda.”
“Yeah, I mean, there’s no use arguing that one since we just saw it happen in front of our eyes with the Kanye-bank situation,” Grandmaison responded.
De Balinthazy and Fuentes then continued to push antisemitism.
“In every single industry, if you look at the end of the rabbit hole, it’s always a Jew who controls it,” De Balinthazy said.
“The label owners, the real estate owners, like, all the people with the most amount of money behind the scene is a Jewish guy,” he continued. “Why are we out here slaving away for Jews who are profiting off of us killing each other?”
“It’s obviously true that Jews have connections everywhere, in finance, Hollywood, media, universities,” Fuentes added.
Rather than calling out his guests for their openly antisemitic conspiracy theories, Grandmaison concluded the conversation about Jews by claiming that “it is interesting how we’ve been sort of trained to understand that certain things are off limits.”
Following the episode, Grandmaison admitted that his team would “edit out” Fuentes’ “Holocaust minimalism” in their interview.
The No Jumper crew has also repeatedly interviewed Nation of Islam member and conspiracy theorist Rizza Islam in recent months. The Nation of Islam is designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as an extremist group and it has a history of promoting antisemitism and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric.
During his October 2022 appearance, Islam downplayed the Nation of Islam’s antisemitism and described Jewish people as members of the “synagogue of Satan” who “have control over modern media and banking.”
While the term “synagogue of Satan” does come from the Bible, comparing Jewish people to the devil is a common antisemitic trope, especially among Nation of Islam leadership.
In January, Islam was interviewed by No Jumper crew member Poetik Flakko, who has praised Fuentes and said that he chats with him via text. (Other No Jumper co-hosts have joked that Flakko is a “Black white supremacist.”)
During their interview, Islam suggested that Jewish people “destroy” Black people’s “ability to have a livelihood, to take care of their family,” and pushed a debunked antisemitic conspiracy theory about Jewish people having had a substantial role in the trans-atlantic slave trade.
Flakko egged Islam on to go deeper into his antisemitic theory.
These antisemitic conspiracy theories likely violate YouTube’s policy against “content that targets an individual or group with conspiracy theories that have been used to justify real-world violence.”
Anti-Black comments and white nationalism
During his time on No Jumper, Fuentes downplayed his role as a neo-Nazi, racist, and misogynist, saying, “I love people, I love all kinds of people, I love Black people,” which is demonstrably false — Fuentes is an open white nationalist who uses the n-word during his livestreams.
Later in the interview, Fuentes complained that “Blacks get treated better than white people,” and falsely suggested that “Black people are committing the majority of the violent crime.”
In another edition of No Jumper mainstreaming extremists, Grandmaison invited notorious white nationalist Richard Spencer onto his show for a conversation. Spencer has used anti-Black and antisemitic slurs, helped organize the deadly 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and translated a Nazi phrase to celebrate former President Donald Trump's 2016 presidential win.
The episode started out with Grandmaison watering down Spencer’s history of white nationalism and suggesting that he is a new, improved person without citing any evidence.
“Richard Spencer seems like he has gone through quite a bit of a political transformation,” Grandmaison said. “He’s really not — or at least he doesn’t claim to be the version of him that a lot of people kind of remember from a while back.”
Later in the conversation, Grandmaison compared Spencer’s past quotes about his white identity to Black people being proud of their identity.
“Almost every quote that I’m seeing from you talking about your white identity or whatever is something that sounds eerily familiar to something I’ve heard Black people say in relatively mainstream circles in the last couple of years,” Grandmaison said. “A large percentage of them didn’t really seem all that shocking to me.”
“Well, I mean that’s true — there is a double standard,” Spencer added. “An actual white identity is something that we’re just not allowed to talk about.”
Misogyny
Grandmaison and No Jumper have invited numerous misogynistic “manosphere” influencers to talk about themselves and spread hatred toward women.
The manosphere is an online community of right-wing websites, bloggers, and influencers cultivating a worldview based on conservative gender politics repackaged for the internet age. The group, which valorizes pick up artists, violent misogynists, and so-called men’s rights advocates, often blames women for myriad societal woes and treats them as inferior.
No Jumper has previously featured Why Women Deserve Less author Myron Gaines (real name Amrou Fudl) and dating and lifestyle coach Walter Weekes. Fudl and Weekes host the Fresh & Fit podcast, which is a safe haven for extreme misogyny.
During their June 2021 interview, the Fresh & Fit podcasters argued that demeaning women and “asserting dominance” is a turn on. Later, Grandmaison described the women who appear on the Fresh & Fit podcast as “bitches” who are “retarded.”
Over the past year, No Jumper has platformed De Balinthazy, Hannah Pearl Davis, and Dan Bilzerian, all of whom are influencers who have demeaned women and made misogynistic comments.
During Grandmaison’s interview with Davis, who has ties to Fuentes, the pair laughed about calling a woman “a whale,” and Grandmaison later suggested that “girls in America are hoes” and “there is a lot of sluttery going on.”
In June 2022, Grandmaison sat down with right-wing poker player and misogynist Bilzerian, who attacked feminists, praised the manosphere, and made other misogynistic comments during the interview.
“Adam22” knows he’s platforming hate and extremism
It appears that Grandmaison knows that platforming extremists trades long-term brand damage for a short-term boost in clicks. That has not stopped him from continuing down this path.
Before he invited Fuentes on his show, Grandmaison explained his fears about platforming a white nationalist:
“I’ll be, like, normalizing him,” Grandmaison said. “Letting him come in and giving him a clean version of his platform when the reality of what he’s into might be a little bit darker.”
During the interview with Fuentes, Grandmaison stated that he would get backlash for his poor retorts:
“The more specific accusation about Nick is that he is basically bundling up his white supremacist ideas in this nice sports coat and everything and that he acts real cool,” Grandmaison said. “That’s what people are going to fucking destroy me for, is if I am not perceived as being aggressive enough toward Nick.”
During his interview with Spencer, Grandmaison even predicted that Media Matters would be interested in his mainstreaming of extremists:
“When I interviewed Nick Fuentes, I was ready to be on fucking Media Matters and ready to be torn apart for having a conversation with him,”
Grandmaison said. “Nobody gave a fuck.”
CitationFrom the March 6, 2023, edition of No Jumper, uploaded on YouTube
However, some of Grandmaison’s staff seem appalled at the direction of his podcast. Former No Jumper co-host AD (real name Armand Douglas) expressed his disagreement with Grandmaison for interviewing Spencer and allowing his extremist past to be whitewashed:
“I’m a little disappointed,” Douglas said. “You have a mostly Black staff. This No Jumper is built off of hip-hop.”
“What the fuck are we doing? Why are we platforming this guy?” Douglas later added. “We’ve got to hold everybody accountable, including Adam.”
Douglas reportedly quit No Jumper around one week after calling out Grandmaison for platforming bigots, joining several other co-hosts who have recently left the show.
No Jumper’s decision to host and mainstream far-right zealots comes as antisemitic and racially based hate crimes are on the rise and white supremacist propaganda is proliferating across the country and online. Despite the growing backlash No Jumper has received from fans and staff, Grandmaison has seemingly decided now is the time to double down on using his show to platform hate and bigotry.
symptoms of guys that never really cared about podding or working for themselves
not a coincidence
Disagree u don't side with wrong and it was Mal who siding with Rory not the other way around
See where your integrity at
It's weird to see how everyone choosing Joe side when in reality, he's most in the wrong. These same guys stood by you when you constantly turned down deals that would've made all of you millionaires only for it to come out you were snaking them on money? Keep it a buck Joe turned down those multi million dollar deals because although he would've been up, his friends who helped build this shit(podcast had no traction til them) would've been up as well and Joe couldn't function that way. Everyone is on salary now, and Joe pays what he pays and they are none the wiser. He's not obligated like he was before to show anyone the "books" so only he and Ian knows what's what. Let them find out what's really being generated and then see what their cut is, then see how happy they are.
What’s wrong with being on a salary? No one talks about the operational costs that has to be paid - lights, editing, camera, ( I don’t live in NJ but that damn apartment look expensive asf)..
How many jobs show their employees the book? Did Mal and Rory buy equity into the company?
Seems like Rory and Mal lack emotional intelligence in the world of business.
Didn’t they start their own pod? Don’t they have Patreon? Ain’t like they not getting a bag (even though I don’t listen to that shit).
How many jobs show their employees the book? Did Mal and Rory buy equity into the company?
Seems like Rory and Mal lack emotional intelligence in the world of business.
Didn’t they start their own pod? Don’t they have Patreon? Ain’t like they not getting a bag (even though I don’t listen to that shit).
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They didnt want to be called workers
Ego thing
If Joe is wrong why haven't they sued him? It's been 2 years and they claim to be UPUP....like 7-8 figures.....sue the man if "it's about principles" like Mal has claimed....
They haven't....
Again not obsolving Joe of anything I do think he possibly said things that were not aligned with the contract....
But I also think it was extremely naive for them to think they were entitled to equity if they didn't have their own lawyers look over the contract.
Joe had been a public figure for well over 10yrs when the pod started and neither one was there from day one.....
Also Joe had mentioned for over a year, yall should do your own podcast, whether together or apart from each other, but do something outside of this.....and Mal was vocal about not being on that.....now he's "I was being stifled and held back by Joe"......
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So because my opinion may differ from urs.....nevermind fam. U got itMal, is that you?
Straight up, Rory and Mal were NOT owners when they were with the Joe Budden Network!! They are employees and that's it.So because my opinion may differ from urs.....nevermind fam. U got it
Never said they were owners. But they said their pay was based on percentages. If it wasn't why would Joe even entertain sending them the accounting real or fake? Why would he need to explain a 400k mistake? All I'm saying is there's something to it
What's missing out the equation is they were ungrateful employees at the end of the day, & they had no leverage for higher pay. What did they negotiate? Also, they couldn't see the accounting, because, can you guess? Yes, because, they were employees.
exactly instead of making dumb t-shirts proving Joe's point 10000%, lawyer up and shut up about it.
They probably know they have no case or else they would gone down that route already
But he said he gave them the accounting. So if they were just employees why would he even make the half hearted attempt? Maybe they weren't ungrateful maybe Joe and it's been proven several times just ain't shit.
Can't tell them nothing they rollin with the winning team
When u winning they forget all the fuck shit you do
Everything is disregarded
They blame Rory & Mal for not taking the shit Parks took maybe they don't remember the episode where Parks broke down how Joe was snappin on him like a maniac for no reason
I'm a grown ass man I'm not letting another mfer talk to me like shit just to start down with the show that bears his name nah I'm good
I'm a business owner i was doing better working for a company I worked for almost 13 yrs but i wanted to be my own man yes it's a rough start but u know what its on me right now. I move when i wanna move, i work as long as I wanna work, I don't take orders from anybody cause I'm my own boss. Some of yall don't know what that feels like but i really do wish that on yall one day
Btw Rory & Mal podcast will never be mistaken for a popular show or get top views but its mfers on the dirty side of youtube that would kill for their numbers, would kill to be able to tour and get million dollar deals, celebrity guests, etc
Yeah, I don't remember Joe giving them the accounting.....
Parks and Joe have been cool well over a decade.....
I think Parks mixed one of his first Mood Muzik tapes....
He's seen Joe on pills, dust, liquor.......etc
Outside of Mal in the beginning Parks was one of the only cats that could call Joe.out on his bullshit. He's not just some hired gun/employee. Above all else I think he made sure his business with Parks is A1 above board
He gave sum a spread sheetYeah, I don't remember Joe giving them the accounting.....
It was on an episode of the show they discussed it cause Parks was gonna leave cause they way Joe was wildin
They did discuss that on their last or secondto last pod together. Apparently Joe sent an email with a pdf attachment I don't remember exactly how they described it but it was like a portion of one excel sheet just like 20 rows and 4 columns or some shit.....and they were like, wtf is this and I believe Joe was like that's what I was given so I sent it yall.....and R & M was like this makes no sense where's the rest and Joe was basically like that's all you get.Yeah, I don't remember Joe giving them the accounting.....
I'm assuming he had his accountant just throw a summary page together and thought that would pacify them.
But apparently they had "real" accountants that were looking closely and found a $400k error on the summary page. And told R&M tofor all the paperwork.
Thanks for the info, bruh. I never heard about this.
@dmichaeltheking
3 hours agoBare somewhere screaming at Paisley saying “This MF won’t stfu”
@droid2098
1 hour agoMealy “this is the last time I’m speaking on joe” Mal
@quemetro2857
3 hours agoWhat Minimum Mal talking bout now
@shadow12k
2 hours ago“Bare Rory & Minimum Mal” sounds crazy
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@dmichaeltheking
3 hours ago
Bare somewhere screaming at Paisley saying “This MF won’t stfu”
@droid2098
1 hour ago
Mealy “this is the last time I’m speaking on joe” Mal
@quemetro2857
3 hours ago
What Minimum Mal talking bout now
@shadow12k
2 hours ago
“Bare Rory & Minimum Mal” sounds crazy
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You know I don't really give a sh*t about this soap opera but...
I swear ALL this seems orchestrated as f*ck.
Am I bugging?
@dmichaeltheking
3 hours ago
Bare somewhere screaming at Paisley saying “This MF won’t stfu”
@droid2098
1 hour ago
Mealy “this is the last time I’m speaking on joe” Mal
@quemetro2857
3 hours ago
What Minimum Mal talking bout now
@shadow12k
2 hours ago
“Bare Rory & Minimum Mal” sounds crazy
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BRO! Haven't I been saying that shit the WHOLE ENTRE TIME? My conspiracy theory may be holding weight...lol
I still stand behind that shit too....All this BS back and forth is drawing more views to both sides when low key them niggas is all working together...
Mal said they doing the tour thing (Joe did that), we got the patreon (Joe did that), and the merch (joe did that).
You did.
There was so much emotion initially that I couldn't believe it was staged. But now?
This back and forth is just tired. And worse boring. And just looks sloppy.
Just sue Joe period.
No one would blame them it ain't switching.
Story done.
Don't mention each other.
The t shirt with the typo I thought might have been deliberately funny... if you believe they that smart.
I think ALL these podcast are WWE to an extent.
J Hood STILL TALKING ABIUT THAT MATH INTERVIEW!
Cuban Link STILL TALKING ABOUT FAT JOE??? IN 2023!!!
WHERE THE F*CK THE MUSIC AT???!@
Panda chop? Is a dedicated channel to hate on Fat Joe. It's ALL reaction videos
We got old rappers STILL TALKING BIGGIE & PAC!? But when the police ACTUALLY needed them to talk it was snitching REMEMBER.
I swear I think they either it's all staged or some like the panda one found a lane and is riding put on that trash cause I noticed a legal disclaimer was added recently.
I just can't anymore with bullsh*t youtube podcasts.
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real talk - if this was really coordinated, "Minumum" would be sharing his feelings with popular / successful podcasts
This interview is months old. Dude just clipped it up and resubmitted it to get views because of what's going on.
Mal always acts like his moral code is the only moral code in the world.....
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