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What I'm saying is back in the day folks liked Dead Prez, Jay Z, Digital Underground, Biggie, Da Brat, Wu Tang, Tribe, Trick Daddy..
At the same damn time
We didn't hate on you for liking either or neither.
Especially Napster era?
We liked all genres of music period
80s we ain't have a choice but to at least listen and learn to appreciate different types of music.
I ain't saying Drake is the best...
I'm saying liking some of Drake music is not a sin.
And you can like and or appreciate kendrick drake and cole equally.
If you want.
It doesn't diminish your taste in music
We not talking all those SoundCloud cookie cutter so called rappers.
And even that disposable stuff?
Fine.
Now the tricky thing is hip hop is so specific
if Drake want that love and respect I understand the scrutiny
He has NOT evolved at all
But I would argue he has not fell off
And that is impressive too.
And we can name DOZENS of rappers who still rap about the same damn thing over and over
And are less entertaining than drake.
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Actually fam the majority of Drake fans I've talk to said it was trash! I'm a Drake fan when I'm with bitches lol. Outside of that I ain't listening to Drake. That shit was hot garbage. Very disappointing. And he's gonna do numbers more so because of white people. He has truly become McDonald's....
exhibit one:
none of these were chasing the same trends or sound
todays pop -hiphop R&B "artists" are basically one step away from doing this - but worse:
hence the early stages of dancehall like competitiveness among fans that we see on social media
this is the primary reason why Griselda gets love from the culture
Real problem with CLB is - its not an album, its a collection of mostly old unreleased music
imo -Donda & CLB really makes it clear how good Cole's album is
When drake and Wayne would do those 32/46 bar joints man oh man
they aint never had a back and forth like that I don;pt consider a classic.
Drizzy got a couple of verses on the new one that were up there cuz.
Ok cuz you did your work
usually at a massacre like that you supposed to immediately leave the crime scene.
... a collection of mostly old unreleased music
I like all types of music. Hell fam I listen to opera and classical
there are country songs that I like. I have the godfather soundtracks. Jazz and EDM I like and listen to. So I appreciate all types of music. Even in hip hop I can listen to the differences. I like the MIGOS culture 3 album but their last album, trash. J Cole can rap but his last 2 albums were very disappointing. I like lil baby. Da baby last album wasn't good. Hes better on features anyways.. Kanye last 4 albums trash. But that nigga made like 5 classics. DRAKE nothing was the same album is fire!! This last album was pure trash. He just hasn't gotten better and you can tell he's not trying to. He's done to me. He will always sell because of his name but he's done. MCDONALD'S....
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And Coles album was very disappointing to me. Kdot is all I have left.. .
I didn't like it initially but I went back last week and really appreciate it much more
It's just Cole rapping
Nothing more nothing less
Just Cole showing these dudes I CAN RAP
Don't forget
I like all types of music. Hell fam I listen to opera and classical
Ain't nothing wrong with classical music fam.
You can absolutely tell alot of those tracks were made during his older albums.
Yes but rap is more than just rapping and thats my issue with Cole; shit has no replay value whats so ever...
but that boy can't win for losing
first he was boring then they criticized his production
he produced AND rapped and was real content and was socially conscious and was nice.
then then they acting like he can't straight spit
so he decided the make an album where he just took some beats and showed his ass off
I am comfortable with that
he can DO THAT
he earned that.
Every album doesn't HAVE to be some type of deep concept or emotional blood letting.
But like I ALWAYS say ALL THIS SH*T IS SUBJECTIVE
I don't think outside his mixtape that Drake has an undisputed classic
I think Kendrick is a monster but it took me a minute to catch him and it was DAMN that made me a fan forever.
as much as I like the earlier work.
I understand all three if yo really think about is are acquired tastes.
Like I said I did not like Cole's last album but it grew on me
but I don;t think he has any body of work I have listened to MORE than anything from K Dot or Drizzy
I agree but for me to consider you great a god etc and or the album is good; it has to have replay value; i cant bump to it in the club and I cant bump to it in my car; then what am I listening to it for?? I mean I already know Cole can rap; everyone does so either say something or have some good music dam
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I agree but for me to consider you great a god etc and or the album is good; it has to have replay value; i cant bump to it in the club and I cant bump to it in my car; then what am I listening to it for?? I mean I already know Cole can rap; everyone does so either say something or have some good music dam
but my thing EVERYONE doesn't have to be the god mc
Cole been proved who he is.
he CARES add honestly that is all I really ask for in an artist.
every word every line every verse every chorus every ad lib every free style every beat every session
CARE.
Like I said its suggestive.
I didn't like the Cole but I was going in with your mindset and preconceptions
and once I went back
and just listened
with nothing expected
It was a pleasurable experience and it was great to just hear Cole sounding refreshed and just rapping...
He can make a concept record and deep themed album next time
he just dropped a little something so his fans can go did you HEAR THAT?!?!?
sidebar..
the rules done changed cuz
know there so many eps and mixtapes and playlists etc etc...
Its whatever YOU want to make it
Honestly the last album I ENJOYED top to bottom and thought that was a potential CLASSIC?
Westide Gunn last album
Yes agreed but he is considered a god or great and he says so himself; so do godly shit then; is all im saying; his albums are getting worse not better....
I'd give him one more.
again I was not a fan like that but EARLY people kept hyping him to me
and then the Jay Z co sign came
and I heard all his mixtapes and I thought he got talent but to me he was missing someting
and then he dropped this...
i LOVE that record that beat is INSANE
and he had me.
but then I saw him perform it live at the BET awards and I was a little underwhelmed but respected the fact he did it solo that stage
and he just kept getting BETTER.
that boy nice whether he said it himself or not.
He got HEART
But I HEAR you.
the next one gotta be SPECIAL.
but honestly his fan base much like Kendrick and Drake
are so LOYAL?
They gonna like it regardless so who am I to judge?
Cole can rap with the best of them; his song making and production sometimes are ummm not good at times; plus his albums be blah; its sad because I think he could be as good a KDOT; hes not though to me; he got that Lupe in him
; its more to it than just rapping or bars; a lot of NY niggas and east coast didnt understand that...
Cole can rap with the best of them; his song making and production sometimes are ummm not good at times; plus his albums be blah; its sad because I think he could be as good a KDOT; hes not though to me; he got that Lupe in him
i think its unfair to dismiss him as one of those super lyrical miracle cats...
I keep saying I UNDERSTAND the disappointment.
Cole needs new producers and needs to sound more ANIMATED more consistently
cause when he is IN his ZONE?
damn.
K Dot can get lost in his post production stuff too though 5 flows 3 beat changes and 2 different voices in one 16 bar verse is a tad overkill.
its is sometimes overkill but when you hear it on a song that makes sense; you be like
; that family ties record said its all over im hear now; that shit was good to great; and thats what I want from Cole, greatness; not ok to blah ...and fam hes very close to Lupe than being close to KDOT
its is sometimes overkill but when you hear it on a song that makes sense; you be like
nah Cole better than Lupe.
he more consistent and more entertaining OVERALL
no disrespect to Lupe who is brilliant (still f*ck him for dissing tribe)
again its subjective its where fandom jumps in
Some don't like all that extra K Dot be doing...
but his fans?
they LOVE it
no one is wrong
and honestly I like it all. I kinda take every artist on there OWN.
I never found GURU or Jay Z boring MANY did and still do
I appreciate Tupac but think Biggie a better MC
but Pac was a damn poet.
but that doesnt mean Biggie was NOT deep.
DMX had more RAW emotion than both
who was more melodic than Shock G?
can we really categorize Biz Markie? That is just energy fun and a fantastic ear and a dope musical mind.
but the rappers i just named all had haters, detractors and critics throughout their respective careers.
I''m cool with Cole among the CURRENT crop of rappers?
Yeah he up there.
i know i know i was more teasing about Cole with the Lupe comparison; but Cole albums have gotten worse not better; cant say that about Kdot; Drake Scorpion album was solid; would have been great if it was 12 songs; cant say that about Cole; Cole needs something and really I dont know what it is; but hes missing something;
Top 5 no particular order
Pac, I dont think DMX or anyone else had more emotion or feeling or emotional connection in their records
Andre 3000, best southern rapper ever and his word play is ridiculous
Black Thought, that free style(which was a real free style not this fake bullshit nowadays puts him here lol) but he is an alien...enough said
Rakim, had a greater change of how people rap and flows more than anyone
Nas Jay Z and Biggie tied to me
i know i know i was more teasing about Cole with the Lupe comparison; but Cole albums have gotten worse not better; cant say that about Kdot; Drake Scorpion album was solid; would have been great if it was 12 songs; cant say that about Cole; Cole needs something and really I dont know what it is; but hes missing something;
Top 5 no particular order
Pac, I dont think DMX or anyone else had more emotion or feeling or emotional connection in their records
Andre 3000, best southern rapper ever and his word play is ridiculous
Black Thought, that free style(which was a real free style not this fake bullshit nowadays puts him here lol) but he is an alien...enough said
Rakim, had a greater change of how people rap and flows more than anyone
Nas Jay Z and Biggie tied to me
I don't but nas jay z biggie or Rakim.
It's like playing the final round of wheel of fortune
They don't even let you pick the vowels anymore
They just a GIVEN.
those God mcs are cemented
There is no subjective no opinion
It's irrefutable fact.
i know i know i was more teasing about Cole with the Lupe comparison; but Cole albums have gotten worse not better; cant say that about Kdot; Drake Scorpion album was solid; would have been great if it was 12 songs; cant say that about Cole; Cole needs something and really I dont know what it is; but hes missing something;
Top 5 no particular order
Pac, I dont think DMX or anyone else had more emotion or feeling or emotional connection in their records
Andre 3000, best southern rapper ever and his word play is ridiculous
Black Thought, that free style(which was a real free style not this fake bullshit nowadays puts him here lol) but he is an alien...enough said
Rakim, had a greater change of how people rap and flows more than anyone
Nas Jay Z and Biggie tied to me
I don't have a top 5 too many great mcs.
Cause I can't choose.
Who BETTER than ice cube
Ice t pretty much invented gangsta rap with schooly d
Who better than Kool g rap?
Tribe called quest
Heiro?
Outkast, EPMD, UGK, geto boys, nwa...
Black moon wu tang the lox dip set
Pharoah Monch? Lord Finesse? Big L?
Casual, Big Mike, the Liks, too short, e 40?
This aren't just ok mcs...
Those are LEGENDS!
I did that and left off LL, Kool moe d, Caz, krs, mc late, Latifah...
I could go on
Heavy D ain't top 5???
Let me stop....
Dam u right fam..fuck it a top 50 lol lol
