Make streets more narrow to build more homes?

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Building streets for humans rather than cars could help solve the affordable housing crisis
Matthew Yglesias
Vox.com
May 5, 2015


Steve Dombek is an activist with an unusual cause. He wants US cities in general — and San Francisco in particular — to adopt narrower streets, along the lines of what you'll often see in cities that were built before the 19th century.

His point is that doing so could open up lots of space for the creation of much-needed additional housing in places like San Francisco, where thriving local economies are being strangled by an inability for more people to be able to move to the city.

Narrower streets could create tons of new housing

Right now, the public right of way on a typical San Francisco residential street like McAllister is 68 feet and 9 inches, enough room for 30 feet worth of pedestrian space and then almost 40 additional feet dedicated to automobiles.

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That's great if you're an incumbent San Francisco homeowner who also owns a car and who is interested in storing and driving that car without fully bearing the costs associated with taking up scarce urban space.

But in a city like San Francisco where housing is very scarce and expensive, shouldn't some of that space be reused for something more valuable? Like people?

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In the revised version of the street, you can still drive a car, but you'll have to do it slowly in a space that's shared respectfully with pedestrians rather than optimized for high-speed cruising. And there's no space dedicated to parking. That's not to say that nobody can park a vehicle. But to do so you're going to have to pay for parking in the private market, the same as someone looking for a place to sleep is going to have to pay for space. The government isn't going to create special zones set aside for vehicle storage.

What you gain is thousands of feet of new square footage for housing.

Retrofiting one block of San Francisco sidewalks into Euro-style narrow streets would create space for 45,000 sq ft of new housing.
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A good idea that's unlikely to happen

Dombek's idea has a lot of merit. Conventional urban policies set aside too much land for cars and not enough land for houses. That gives many cities a perverse mix of ubiquitous cheap parking and extremely expensive housing. Shifting the balance — especially in places like San Francisco — makes sense.

But the politics of this idea are very challenging. The problem is that it takes something (parking, specifically) away from people who already live on McAllister Street in order to benefit hypothetical occupants of new homes who, by definition, don't live there. That would be good for San Francisco, good for California, good for America, and good for the world. But it's not good for the people currently living on the block — and those are the people the city council is going to respond to.
 
Horrible idea
I think its a good idea if backed up with major investment in public transportation.

"No space dedicated to parking (means) you're going to have to pay for parking in the private market, the same as someone looking for a place to sleep is going to have to pay for space."

Isn't it crazy that we have free spaces for cars and not people?

Less sidewalk seems like a great sacrifice for less homeless beggars on them.
 
Super condensed living areas creates more problems than it solves... Back in the days when this country was considered by people (not Native American or Black) to be the land of the free, had it wrong because it was really land of the free land....
If you understand the simple supply and demand impact on land you'd understand how the real world works, the more land and less people, the more freedom and less price for the land, the less land and more people, the less rights, more they have to be regulated and managed and higher and more complex the politics, economy and more complex the laws, courts and policing them..
The problem with the average person is that we want to live that land of the free ideology in today's over crowded low land society...
 
I agree with the principle, but the execution is terrible.

McAllister street runs from downtown to the Haight/Ashbury district. The land around it is already highly developed as it is. The street is also a major part of the #5 bus line. Probably the most used in the city.

Constructing new homes would mean shutting down this street for months. It would also make public transportation much slower and more crowded. These busses are already packed to death during rush hour as it is.

If the city really wants to expand they need to increase development on the outskirts. The problem is that many of these communities bar any structure higher than 3 stories because they block the sun.
 
The dude mentioned in the OP obviously doesn't understand things like logarithmic utility or diminishing returns.
 
agree that streets should be built to accommodate people first

disagree with doing it to build more residences
 
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Can you imagine if a fire broke out on one residence or a medical emergency...not to mention quakes. The close proximity would make for a real shitty day for a lot of people. :smh:
 
Homelessness/affordable housing isn't a "space" problem or a lack of homes problem. We have more than enough homes.

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It's just another great historical Fire waiting to happen. It would suck for fire and rescue teams trying to gain access.
 
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