Marvel woke up today and said......let me remind y'all who the fuck we are!!
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These strikes are going to ween me off of scripted television and movies. I think Andor will be my last Star Wars content & probably Capt America or Daredevil will be it for loong time on Marvel.
@playahaitian I know we supposed to let 2023 play out before we finish who was right about Marvel this year, but they spent $212 million dollars on this shit. 
Combine that with yet another quarter of Disney losing $800 million on Disney+(which means more cuts for Marvel). Do you want to concede and admit it's really, really, really bad and 2023 is a loss. I mean, I said shit was going to be bad, but even I didn't think it would be this fucking bad.
www.forbes.com
Combine that with yet another quarter of Disney losing $800 million on Disney+(which means more cuts for Marvel). Do you want to concede and admit it's really, really, really bad and 2023 is a loss. I mean, I said shit was going to be bad, but even I didn't think it would be this fucking bad.
It Makes No Sense Marvel's 'Secret Invasion' Has A $212 Million Budget
Have you seen Secret Invasion? Where is that money going?
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@playahaitian I know we supposed to let 2023 play out before we finish who was right about Marvel this year, but they spent $212 million dollars on this shit.
It Makes No Sense Marvel's 'Secret Invasion' Has A $212 Million Budget
Have you seen Secret Invasion? Where is that money going?
How DC do this year?
And Fast Furious?
And Mission Impossible?
EVERYONE SUFFERING.
Cause if you insist on mouse hunting, we ain't gonna compare Jordan pre retirement to Jordan post retirement
We comparing to the rest of the league.
Go do that math and get back to me.
And the year ain't over yet like you said
Simmer down.
Don't move the goalposts man. I always admit when I'm wrong around here and take my medicine. You do the same. Funny Super Mario went over $1 billion. Funny you didn't mention the Spiderman movie. Why weren't they part of the bad year? Maybe because it was good and produced with a sound budget. But again, our talk was about Marvel in 2023. MARVEL(and by extension, the rat).My friend, you say I'm rat hunting, but EVERYONE did not lose $1 billion at the box office the last year nor $4 billion on streaming with another $800 million incoming. Universal is not suffering at all. Go check. Contrary to what you may believe, not everyone out here is lighting 100s of millions on fire for production and then 100s of millions on marketing/yelling at fans.
Besides, DC never had the power Marvel had before Marvel adopted the 'stick it to incel' business model(some celebrated around here and wouldn't listen to reason). Marvel was Iron Mike. The Boogeyman. Shaq/Kobe lakers. Prime RJJ. They ruined it and keep on doing so.
But hey, we can wait the year out. That's when we can add some more 4th quarter losses and the math will be
And we can run this back in 2024 if nothing changes. Free market is Drago and you and Iger holding on to the towel like Rocky. Shareholders are like Duke 
"Throw the damn towel!"Remember, MARVEL is our focus for 2023. MARVEL. MARVEL. MARVEL. The once mighty, king of the block, Marvel. Disney about to have Marvel walking around like Franklin at the end of Snowfall.
tits dont look bad
Sydney Sweeney: ‘I had boobs before other girls and I felt ostracized’
The “Euphoria” star, 25, reflected on her teenage years and the shame she felt when her breasts developed earlier than her peers.
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Welp, this is a must skip
The first film “Capt. Marvel” did over a Billion gross.
I haven’t seen “Barbie”, but if they copy what they did with that flick, this mofo will do big numbers thru word of mouth and good marketing towards women.
If they go the route of that lunatic Taika Waititi (Thor: Ragnarok) then yeah, it’s gonna bomb.
shit's been getting wackier each flick since Black Panther and End Game
The Ms Marvel tv show was the biggest bomb in MCU streaming history. Marvel is way down the road on making wacky zany silly movies are their brand and the box office is starting the audience is tired of it.
tits dont look bad
Sydney Sweeney: ‘I had boobs before other girls and I felt ostracized’
The “Euphoria” star, 25, reflected on her teenage years and the shame she felt when her breasts developed earlier than her peers.
Their real and their magnificent
Man, that was when Avengers was going and they could put out anything and do numbers. Folks thought they had to see that in order to keep up with Avengers. Barbie is iconic. Who cares about any of these characters? They dropping this shit with Dune too?
Everyone and their mama knows this new Marvels shit is DOA. Even Kevin isn't saying shit about the ideas being given to him for keeping this going. He is starting to see doubling down on fail is killing the IP. So when this is DOA, it's over for these characters. Time to give people what they want while Marvel still has a heartbeat.
So much good shit for Marvel to put out. Decades worth of ideas. Hope they get back to it and stop trying to piss people off on purpose.
Man, that was when Avengers was going and they could put out anything and do numbers. Folks thought they had to see that in order to keep up with Avengers. Barbie is iconic. Who cares about any of these characters? They dropping this shit with Dune too?
Everyone and their mama knows this new Marvels shit is DOA. Even Kevin isn't saying shit about the ideas being given to him for keeping this going. He is starting to see doubling down on fail is killing the IP. So when this is DOA, it's over for these characters. Time to give people what they want while Marvel still has a heartbeat.
So much good shit for Marvel to put out. Decades worth of ideas. Hope they get back to it and stop trying to piss people off on purpose.
Marvels is gonna do just fine
Watch.
This is the place to ask. What does Marvel have coming out in the next 12 months that can turn a decent profit and/or bring viewers to that shitshow Disney+? Call that mofo Suge Feige. Because this like Death Row 2002, not 1993.
What is coming to change this?
What is coming to change this?
To be fair we can ask this to ALL studios which includes streaming...
Until this strike is resolved everyone getting a conditional reprieve
Think of like during covid with the rent freeze or PPP
You good right now but we gonna want all that money back.
I'm cool with holding the entire hollywood industry to the fire since I been saying they were melting. That's what happens when they facing new models(indie streaming like YouTube, twitch, kick, etc) AND not giving fans what they want while yelling at them. But hell, at least they have Dune and Wonka, Marvel ain't got shit announced pre-strike that excited fans.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say once we have CONSISTENT(have to build trust back) content that isn't 'stick it to incel', Marvel will bounce back. Until then, lifesupport. Bookmark it. Take it to the bank. True fans have won.
Hell, strike might be an excuse for the smart studios to change course from this failed business model.
Bro you on that very short list of dudes on and off line I defer too on many topics
But fans of this era are f*cking trash bro.
I refuse to acknowledge them with as much seriousness as you do.
Fans ain't trash. Fans the same they been for decades. Fans the ones who built all the IPs. Hell, I'm with them. Had all the toys. Watched for decades. Only to see these new-age weirdos fuck everything up by disrespecting true fans.Bro you on that very short list of dudes on and off line I defertoo on many topics
But fans of this era are f*cking trash bro.
I refuse to acknowledge them with as much seriousness as you do.
I lost my sandperson in preschool and I'm still hot about it 40+ years later.
I seen batman 89 in the theater multiple times. I watched Xmen cartoon in the 90s in my rock spots and other cats were forced to do the same. What I had on, everyone had to sit through. Had dungeons and dragons setup in the 80s when it was straight geek shit.I'm a true fan of ALL this shit and get where true fans are coming from with all the IP dis fucking respect. It's sickening. CREATORS OF THIS ERA ARE TRASH. From 2015 or so, there has been a steady spread of bullshit and it has destroyed EVERYTHING it has touched. Including Marvel(after 2019 since the previous phase was locked in).
There is a reason I never use the term 'incel' because it has been weaponized against true fans by these bitch ass creators. Funny how ratings and money just dropped off a cliff after 'incels got mad'. All those Netflix shows just did numbers and 'incels' loved them. So did the movies.
So what happened? Did fans of this era change or the creators? Receipts all here fam and they don't lie. Creators changed big time and shit on True fans. The rest is burnt money.
Again, receipts all there.
Fans ain't trash. Fans the same they been for decades. Fans the ones who built all the IPs. Hell, I'm with them. Had all the toys. Watched for decades. Only to see these new-age weirdos fuck everything up by disrespecting true fans.
I lost my sandperson in preschool and I'm still hot about it 40+ years later.
I'm a true fan of ALL this shit and get where true fans are coming from with all the IP dis fucking respect. It's sickening. CREATORS OF THIS ERA ARE TRASH. From 2015 or so, there has been a steady spread of bullshit and it has destroyed EVERYTHING it has touched. Including Marvel(after 2019 since the previous phase was locked in).
There is a reason I never use the term 'incel' because it has been weaponized against true fans by these bitch ass creators. Funny how ratings and money just dropped off a cliff after 'incels got mad'. All those Netflix shows just did numbers and 'incels' loved them. So did the movies.
So what happened? Did fans of this era change or the creators? Receipts all here fam and they don't lie. Creators changed big time and shit on True fans. The rest is burnt money.
Again you making this about YOU.
you ain't the average bro.
and I giving my resume but we cut the same. Of course movies trading vhs tapes anime d&d bro I was evening LARPING. I sold comics worked in a comic shop conventions met many writers and artists and can proudly say I raised family who work in the industry.
So we all certified here.
Many of these fans are trash bro it is what it is.
And I've seen it in real time. Heard from the talent too and honesty? The trash always been there since day one this incel stuff ain't new.
But thankfully that's not all
Sadly is social media that's given the trash a much bigger platform voice and influence than they deserve.
I believe as an artist you do your best work FIRST. PERIOD.
fan service and influence is of course a part of the equation but it can be and has been a detrimental force.
Fan is short for fanatic
And the larger it has gotten? It's gonna be harder and harder to male everyone of them happy.
and the bullying and stalking and bad reviews and misinformation etc etc is real.
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Fans ain't trash. Fans the same they been for decades. Fans the ones who built all the IPs. Hell, I'm with them. Had all the toys. Watched for decades. Only to see these new-age weirdos fuck everything up by disrespecting true fans.
I lost my sandperson in preschool and I'm still hot about it 40+ years later.
I'm a true fan of ALL this shit and get where true fans are coming from with all the IP dis fucking respect. It's sickening. CREATORS OF THIS ERA ARE TRASH. From 2015 or so, there has been a steady spread of bullshit and it has destroyed EVERYTHING it has touched. Including Marvel(after 2019 since the previous phase was locked in).
There is a reason I never use the term 'incel' because it has been weaponized against true fans by these bitch ass creators. Funny how ratings and money just dropped off a cliff after 'incels got mad'. All those Netflix shows just did numbers and 'incels' loved them. So did the movies.
So what happened? Did fans of this era change or the creators? Receipts all here fam and they don't lie. Creators changed big time and shit on True fans. The rest is burnt money.
I think we are
maybe we are siloed
but imo the core fan base is 40+
and wants good story
Really they want my old ass?
You think they don't want my kids and little cousins?
And there mothers?
Cause we gotta seperate the business from the art.
I don't NEED Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel and Barbie to be targeted to me.
I'm good.
And if they get me? GREAT.
But on the Q train today I saw a group of lgbtq+ dressed in pink going to see Barbie AGAIN.
I remember taking 10 little girl to Marvel and Woman.
I think we gotta do what I've been saying
ALL THESE SUPER HERO MOVIES CANNOT BE CLASSICS.
every song isn't a classic
Superhero should a genre with comedy horror heist drama etc etc etc underneath
I've LITERALLY touched THOUSANDS of comics and read that many
Trust me they weren't ALL good.
Some runs were good some sucked.
The time lines canons etc were screwed up but I was able to survive.
Secret invasion was fine.
Titans was fine
CW was fine.
I'm a sucker for it all.
I WANT then all to be great.
But I don't expect then to be
And I don't get possessive.
Writing, directing and producing this sh*t is hard bro. And these fans now ALL THINK they are Spielberg Lucas Nolan Stan Lee and McDuffie combined
It's not an excuse it's just the truth.
and all this sh*t is subjective as f*ck
I really do miss when it was really need geek sh*t sometimes
But I also love the recognition it's getting.
But whenever you open sh*t up to world? Sh*t gets in.
No, it's not about me. Well, not like it might come across. Trust me, you ain't live until you watching Xmen when shooters who make the paper want the box on(90s cats know what that is). Ain't no damn 'incels' drinking a brew, freaking a mild, bitch on their lap, and telling shooters they touch the tv and it's their ass. Over a fucking xmen cartoon.
So I always stood for shit I like. And as a fan, I can relate to other true fans who like an IP as fucking is. So it's about me relating. Understanding. I see the constant attack on fans since around 2015. And I know they haven't changed because I relate as a true fan who was with this shit before it was cool. Yeah, some fans are trash, so are some creators. But who has changed the most? Yeah, people are never satsified, but when have IPs been changed like they have since around 2015? When since you been alive? I been alive right along with you and haven't seen it.
Yeah, FANatics like me who had their parents buying all this shit in the 80s(also did odd jobs as kids to buy shit too) and were ready to pull out the pistol in 90s are the ones who BUILT this shit only to see new-age weirdos come along and shit on it. And you think I want to sit through Xmen97 for the 'modern audience' after watching the real shit in my dope houses? No, I'm team 'incel' on that. Bring the feel of the real one or they can fuck off.
And no, the bad reviews are just that for the most part, bad fucking reviews. Because if we doing misinformaton, the receipts ain't going to work the way you think they do.
sometimes its just shit and there is nothing wrong with calling it shit...
creators have a right to tell a story from their pov and take creative and artistic chances
We have a right to exalt praise or mercilessly trash the results
now keep in mind that geeks have crucified George Lucas for decades and remain diehard fans
there has always been gripes between geeks and creators only difference now is the internet
and that the core fan base for these characters are now +40 instead of being pre teens to 20s
as for targeting different demos - Disney and WB used to be masters of content that was kid targeted but adult friendly or telling mature stories in a kid friendly package and have used both time and again to intro old ip to new audiences
but these days there are show runners / writers / directors on fantasy / genre projects bragging in interviews about intentionally antagonising audiences
then later blaming their failures on the same audiences for not supporting them...
no
Peacemaker was fine
Falcon and the Winter Soldier was fine
those 3 were TRASH (but 2 of 3 are still better than the Flash movie
)
Really they want my old ass?
You think they don't want my kids and little cousins?
And there mothers?
Cause we gotta seperate the business from the art.
I don't NEED Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel and Barbie to be targeted to me.
I'm good.
And if they get me? GREAT.
But on the Q train today I saw a group of lgbtq+ dressed in pink going to see Barbie AGAIN.
I remember taking 10 little girl to Marvel and Woman.
I think we gotta do what I've been saying
ALL THESE SUPER HERO MOVIES CANNOT BE CLASSICS.
every song isn't a classic
Superhero should a genre with comedy horror heist drama etc etc etc underneath
I've LITERALLY touched THOUSANDS of comics and read that many
Trust me they weren't ALL good.
Some runs were good some sucked.
The time lines canons etc were screwed up but I was able to survive.
Secret invasion was fine.
Titans was fine
CW was fine.
I'm a sucker for it all.
I WANT then all to be great.
But I don't expect then to be
And I don't get possessive.
Writing, directing and producing this sh*t is hard bro. And these fans now ALL THINK they are Spielberg Lucas Nolan Stan Lee and McDuffie combined
It's not an excuse it's just the truth.
and all this sh*t is subjective as f*ck
I really do miss when it was really need geek sh*t sometimes
But I also love the recognition it's getting.
But whenever you open sh*t up to world? Sh*t gets in.
sometimes its just shit and there is nothing wrong with calling it shit...
creators have a right to tell a story from their pov and take creative and artistic chances
We have a right to exalt praise or mercilessly trash the results
now keep in mind that geeks have crucified George Lucas for decades and remain diehard fans
there has always been gripes between geeks and creators only difference now is the internet
and that the core fan base for these characters are now +40 instead of being pre teens to 20s
as for targeting different demos - Disney and WB used to be masters of content that was kid targeted but adult friendly or telling mature stories in a kid friendly package and have used both time and again to intro old ip to new audiences
but these days there are show runners / writers / directors on fantasy / genre projects bragging in interviews about intentionally antagonising audiences
then later blaming their failures on the same audiences for not supporting them...
no
Peacemaker was fine
Falcon and the Winter Soldier was fine
those 3 were TRASH (but 2 of 3 are still better than the Flash movie
Damn it.
I really really hate you sometimes
Because you are so smart heartfelt and passionate and honest
You STILL a pain in the ass
But my bro for life.
I completely agree
Except peacemaker was MORE than fine.
Loki looks interesting, skipping "The Marvels".
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