Money: Whole Foods CEO on plant-based meat boom "Good for the environment but not for your health"

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Whole Foods CEO on plant-based meat boom: Good for the environment but not for your health
Published Wed, Aug 21 2019 9:01 AM EDTUpdated 17 Min Ago

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Beyond Meat its first shot at selling its vegan “chicken” strips at Whole Foods locations across the country. Early believers and investors in the product were billionaires Bill Gates and Twitter co-founder Biz Stone.


“We launched Beyond Meat. We were their launching pad. In fact, I think all of their new products have been introduced at Whole Foods,” John Mackey, co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods, tells CNBC Make It.

A year later, Beyond Meat developed its first “beef” product made from plant proteins, which later morphed into its now-famous Beyond Burger in 2016. (The company has since made recipe updates to its original beef patties. In June, Beyond Meat announced its new recipe uses a “blend of pea, mung bean and rice proteins.” )

That same year, another plant-based meat start-up, Impossible Foods, released its alternative to the beef burger made from soy protein concentrate to restaurants. Momofuku Nishi in New York City began serving the Impossible Burger in July 2016. The company is also backed by Bill Gates.

Today, both Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods have exploded.

In May, Beyond Meat had the best IPO so far in 2019 surging more than 163% on the day of its market debut, in addition to making big deals with Carl’s Jr., Dunkin, Del Taco and TGI Friday’s to name a few. And Impossible Foods products are now in about 10,000 restaurants — including White Castle, Red Robin and Burger King — with plans to launch in grocery stores in September.

The market for meat substitutes is expected to hit $2.5 billion by 2023, according to Euromonitor estimates.

But Mackey, who has been a vegan for more than 20 years, isn’t sold on the health benefits of plant-based meats.

“The [brands] who are capturing the imagination of people — and I’m not going to name these brands because I’m afraid I will be associated with the critique of it,” says Mackey, “but some of these that are extremely popular now that are taking the world by storm, if you look at the ingredients, they are super, highly processed foods.”

According to Beyond Meat’s website, ingredients for its plant-based patties include water, pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein and other natural flavors, including apple extract and beet juice extract (for color). Ingredients for Impossible Foods burger include water, soy protein concentrate, coconut oil, sunflower oil, potato protein, soy leghemoglobin (a group of protein found in animals and plants) and other natural flavors, according to its website.

“I don’t think eating highly processed foods is healthy. I think people thrive on eating whole foods,” Mackey says. “As for health, I will not endorse that, and that is about as big of criticism that I will do in public.”

And Mackey isn’t alone. Some dietitians aren’t completely sold on the plant-based burger craze either.

“They are not necessarily healthier than beef burgers,” Alissa Rumsey, a registered dietitian, told CNBC in July. “They’re totally fine to eat, but there’s no need to replace your beef burger if you don’t enjoy these,” Rumsey added, pointing out that both plant-based burgers and traditional beef burgers have the same amount of sodium and saturated fat.

On the other hand, Mackey does believe that plant-based meats are a more ethical choice and are better for the environment than regular meat. And research has backed up those claims.

According to a study commissioned by Beyond Meat with the Center for Sustainable Systems at the University of Michigan, a plant-based burger generates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions, requires 45% less energy, has 99% less impact on water scarcity, and 93% less impact on land use than a ¼ pound of traditional U.S. beef.

According to Fast Company, Americans switching from beef to plant-based patties would be equivalent to taking 12 million cars off the road for an entire year.

Even given his reservations about the health of the products, Mackey says there is at least one good dietary argument for plant-based meat: “A lot of people say ... that [plant-based] meat is a transition food, meaning it’s a way for [people] to begin to reeducate [their] palates”; it’s a good first step in weaning people off of meat products, he says.

Mackey says most Americans wouldn’t enjoy eating like he does (he has 15 fruits and vegetables a day) because their taste buds are used to a diet that includes a lot of processed foods.

“So the reason why these plant-based meats have taken the world by storm is that they taste very similar to regular meats, whereas if you get a [healthy] black bean burger with flax seeds and sweet potatoes in it, that’s going to taste great to me,” he says, but not to most people.

Mackey says the good news is that people can retrain their palate to “enjoy pretty much anything” by consistently eating something they typically didn’t like before.

“I love fruits and vegetables,” Mackey says, because he trained his taste buds to love them.

Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods did not immediately respond to CNBC Make It’s request for comment.
 

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Shit like this always happens. Of course it’s not good for you. All the sodium and Saturated fat from coconut oil is worse than actual meat.

LMFAO you changed it and your still a dumb fuck.

Theres no sodium in coconut oil. And the saturated fat in coconut oil is GOOD for you.

Jesus. You have no idea what your talking about. Google it you dumb motherfucker.
 

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LMFAO you changed it and your still a dumb fuck.

Theres no sodium in coconut oil. And the saturated fat in coconut oil is GOOD for you.

Jesus. You have no idea what your talking about. Google it you dumb motherfucker.
The sodium is not from the coconut oil the sodium in the impossible “meat” you stupid fuck
 

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Full-page ads in newspapers are calling out meat alternatives like the Beyond Burger for containing chemicals, but nutritionists say it’s healthy
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Aug. 15, 2019, 5:55 PM
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The Beyond Burger imitates the juiciness of real meat.
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  • Beyond Meat's "bleeding" veggie burger has become a popular alternative to traditional meat patties.
  • The Center for Consumer Freedom, a group funded by some food companies and restaurants, is running ads in major newspapers highlighting the chemical additives in plant-based meat.
  • We asked four nutritionists to evaluate the 22 ingredients in a Beyond Meat patty, which include coconut oil, an item with more saturated fat than butter or lard.
  • Most of them classified the burger as a "sometimes" food, meaning it can be healthy to eat on occasion as a substitute for real beef.
  • Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.



Beyond Meat's signature "bleeding" veggie burger, which mimics the taste, look, and feel of real meat, is now on menus at TGI Fridays, Carl's Jr., and Canadian fast food chain A&W.

It's often billed as a healthier and more environmentally friendly alternative to beef. But a group called the Center for Consumer Freedom, which is funded by some food companies and restaurants, has started running a series of full-page ads in the New York Post and Wall Street Journal highlighting the chemical additives in alternative meat products.

The ads say "Fake Meat, Real Chemicals," and compare the ingredients in "real" and "fake" bacon.


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Although the ads promote a pro-meat agenda, many consumers have also wondered what to make of the processed nature of these new veggie burgers. So we asked four nutritionists to evaluate the 22 ingredients in a Beyond Meat patty. Most of them classified the burger as a "sometimes" item, meaning it can be healthy to eat on occasion as a substitute for real beef.

Read more: How the Beyond Burger and the Impossible Burger actually compare when it comes to calories, sodium, and more

Coconut oil might be the most concerning ingredient
Beyond Burgers aren't necessarily less fatty or caloric than their real-meat counterparts, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're bad for you.

For the most part, the Beyond Burger's ingredients are relatively nutritious.

Two nutritionists praised the fact that the burger contains 2 grams of fiber, or 8% of the recommended daily value. A few also said the burger was a good source of protein, since it has the same protein content of a traditional 3-ounce beef patty (around 20 grams).

Compared to its competitor, the Impossible Burger, nutritionists said the Beyond Burger had the healthier protein source.

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A 4-ounce Beyond Meat patty contains 250 calories.
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"In my opinion, Beyond and Impossible are very different," saidCynthia Sass, a New York-based performance nutritionist. "Impossible's main protein source is soy, one of the 'big 8' most common allergens."

The Beyond Burger, on the other hand, uses pea protein isolate, which most people find easily digestible. The ingredient can, however, cause increased gastrointestinal discomfort if people aren't used to it, said Vandana Sheth, a registered dietitian nutritionist.

One element that had nutritionists divided was the burger's saturated fat content (6 grams). Two nutritionists saw the content as low compared to similar veggie burgers on the market, but Amy Gorin, a registered dietitian nutritionist, had one reservation.

"I don't love that the patties are made with coconut oil," she said. "This is a source of saturated fat, and you'll see that one burger contains 30% of the [recommended] daily value." Because coconut oil contains more saturated fat than butter or lard, many nutritionists recommend using it sparingly.

The Beyond Burger is still a healthy choice (in moderation)
While all four nutritionists recognized the Beyond Burger as a processed food, that doesn't qualify it as "junk food." Lots of foods we might consider healthy, like Greek yogurt, cheese, or almond butter, are also processed.

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The Beyond Burger sold at TGI Friday's.
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Pamela Bonney, a registered dietitian nutritionist, said the Beyond Burger is "highly processed," which typically means a product has been heavily altered and contains additives. Highly processed foods are often "ready-to-eat" items like candy, potato chips, diet soda, or microwavable meals.

Overall, Sass said, we should eat less of these processed foods and substitute whole ingredients instead. Research from the National Institutes of Health suggests that processed foods cause people toconsume an extra 500 calories a day and ultimately gain more weight.

But compared to many other "highly processed" foods, Bonney said, the Beyond Burger uses particularly high-quality ingredients like mung bean protein, apple extract, and pomegranate fruit powder.

When it comes to choosing between a Beyond Burger and a real meat patty, the nutritionists agreed that the veggie burger was the healthier choice.

"I do believe that plant options that displace red meat are a step in the right direction," Sass said, adding that red meat is tied to some of our "most prevalent chronic diseases" like type 2 diabetes and heart disease. Processed meats like sausage, bacon, and hot dogs could also increase the risk of stomach and bowel cancers.

What's more, red meat plays a role in the climate crisis, which Sass called "a major public health risk." The World Resources Institute estimates that cutting the world's beef consumption by 70% could reduce greenhouse-gas emissions by around 35%.

"The truth is that ... the protein source [we consume] does matter, both for human health and the health of the planet," Sass said.

That means Beyond Burgers can be part of a healthy diet, but shouldn't be your protein source for every meal.
 

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The Hottest Thing in Food Is Made of Peas, Soy, and Mung Beans
Impossible Foods has Burger King. Beyond Meat has Whole Foods. The ultimate prize, McDonald’s, is still up for grabs.

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Where’s the beef? Not here. Left, a Beyond Burger. Right, the Impossible Burger.


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Ethan Brown, chief executive officer of Beyond Meat Inc., doesn’t want to talk about his company’s stock price. He’s more than happy to talk about Beyond’s plant-derived meat matrix or its athlete spokespeople, or even how his products aren’t quite as good as they should be—yet. But the stock price? No. Not even in June, when the shares were trading at 500% above their initial public offering price. “I generally don’t comment on stock price,” he says, possibly out of genuine humility, or maybe so as not to jinx anything.



Brown prefers to hold forth about the meatlike substances he’s been working on for more than 10 years, breaking plant materials down into their component parts—amino acids, lipids, minerals—and then rebuilding them to mimic the structure of animal flesh. He’ll identify the five necessary sensory experiences: fat, flavor, aroma, appearance, and texture. “Meat is these five components,” he says. “What the animal is doing is organizing plant material.” Instead of using cows to turn plants into burgers, Beyond uses a system of heating, cooling, and pressure. The result is a raw, reddish-brown patty that’s closer to animal meat in taste and texture than any freezer-aisle predecessor.



Brown is also eager to discuss Beyond Meat’s “rapid and relentless innovation” that keeps it churning out prototypes. The latest beef iterations, Brown says, approach a true burger’s “heterogeneity of the bite” (or, in more vegan-triggering terms, the “variety of tissue”). Its burger includes cocoa butter for a marbled texture, apple extract for red-to-brown color transition, and a protein blend made from peas, mung beans, and rice. It improves on the last version, but it’s not exactly mirroring beef. In raw form, it’s stickier and smells a little off; on the grill or in a pan, it cooks only to medium and doesn’t shrink like a real burger. Brown knows the product isn’t quite there yet; he says it’s 65% to 70% there.



But back to the stock price, which everyone wants to talk about even if Brown doesn’t. For investors and rivals, the name Beyond Meat is shorthand for the whole industry. It’s the star of a movement that for decades has been trying and failing to take vegan products mainstream. The frozen-hockey-puck veggie patties of yore haven’t gone away, they’re just not where the action is. Kellogg Co.’s MorningStar Farms is still No. 1 in meatless burgers, but its share is shrinking. Beyond and a long line of competitors are battling it out to make the best product and amass the most restaurant and retail customers. Somehow, in a year that saw IPOs from Uber, Lyft, Slack, and Pinterest, the breakout star has been a company making fake meat.



Not so long ago, consumer food choices were understood to be driven by taste, price, and convenience. They’re why Big Macs and sandwich meats were such enduring American staples, despite headline after headline linking red and processed meats to everything from obesity to cancer to premature death. Today, health is a top concern for many consumers—from millennials looking for “organic” and “natural” labels to older Americans worried about cardiovascular health and diabetes. Concern for the environment is also beginning to influence purchasing decisions, especially among younger shoppers.

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The evolution of the meatless burger. From bottom: Boca All American Veggie Burger, MorningStar Farms Garden Veggie Burger, Gardein Ultimate Beefless Burger, Dr. Praeger’s Super Greens Veggie Burger, Quorn Meatless Gourmet Burger, MorningStar Farms Grillers Prime Burger, Amy’s California Veggie Burger, Beyond Burger, and Impossible Burger.
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Plant-based foods check both the health and environment boxes, or at least that’s the perception. Almost a third of consumers surveyed by Mintel Group Ltd. last year said they considered plant-based burgers healthier than the animal kind. As awareness of beef’s environmental impact spreads—livestock accounts for about 14.5% of man-made greenhouse gases, about 41% of them from beef—vegan alternatives become even more appealing. Retail sales bear out these changing attitudes, with meat substitutes hitting $895 million in the U.S. for the year ended May 25, according to data from Nielsen Holdings Plc. That’s tiny next to the $90 billion in sales for actual meat, and growth may slow if consumers notice faux meat’s calories. But to investors it’s just the start.

This year, major food companies have announced plans to enter the meat-alternative market or expand their offerings in it. Nestlé SA has a soy- and wheat-based Incredible Burger in Europe (already in McDonald’s in Germany), and a pea-based Awesome Burger is coming to the U.S. in September. Conagra Brands Inc.’s Gardein, long a vegetarian favorite, has an improved burger and products for the hot dog and sausage categories on the way. “Gardein’s corn burger platform is underdeveloped,” Conagra’s CEO told investors on a June earnings call, “and we are in the process of creating the next generation of beefless burger.” Maple Leaf Foods Inc.’s Lightlife line, already well known for its veggie hot dogs and sausage, offers raw plant meat in more than 7,500 U.S. stores. Smithfield Foods Inc., the world’s biggest pork producer, has a line of soy-based products on the way. Even Safeway is selling its own raw patties. “I really feel we’re about to enter burger wars,” says Brian Swette, co-founder of Sweet Earth Foods, Nestlé’s plant-based brand.

Impossible Foods Inc., another California startup producing “bleeding” “beef.” The Impossible Burger, available in roughly 15,000 restaurants and food service locations, according to the company, is another avatar of a theoretically meat-free future. To date, Impossible has raised more than $750 million and is estimated to be valued at $2 billion. That’s a fraction of Beyond’s roughly $9 billion market value (it peaked at just above $14 billion), but both are chasing the same sustainability-minded consumers who want to have their beef and low-carbon lifestyle, too.

Beyond and Impossible are often mistaken for each other—both count Bill Gates as an investor, and both are led by CEOs named Brown (Patrick at Impossible) who like to talk to varying degrees about saving the world. But the companies took very different paths to mass market. Beyond went first into Whole Foods Market and then bigger channels such as Kroger Co. and Safeway; Impossible unveiled its burger in restaurants, starting with celebrity chefs such as David Chang.

Of course, each company claims it has the superior product, and picking a favorite is subjective. But at Bareburger Group LLC, an upscale chain with both burgers on the menu, Impossible outsells Beyond by a 3-to-1 ratio, says founder Euripides Pelekanos. Impossible points to heme, its “magic ingredient,” as the reason its burger is the best fake beef on the market. It says the iron-containing molecule, made from a genetically modified yeast, is what gives its burgers their essential metallic meatiness (think of the iron-heavy taste of blood). After winning U.S. Food and Drug Administration approval in July for retail sales, Impossible Burgers could be in supermarkets as soon as September.

At Beyond, Brown draws attention to his product’s lack of genetically modified organisms (GMOs), a not-so-subtle dig at Impossible’s heme and its primary ingredient, genetically engineered soy. “It would make our jobs a lot easier to be able to genetically modify plant material to make it behave exactly as we want,” he says. But in the company’s early days, when he talked to consumers during samplings at stores, hospitals, and universities, “they made very clear to me what was acceptable,” he says. And GMOs and soy were not.

For now, concern about GMOs isn’t dissuading Impossible’s consumers, chefs, or restaurants, even those who gravitate to natural ingredients. Beyond, though, has the numbers: Its products are sold in more than 53,000 restaurants and other locations, over three times as many as Impossible. And Beyond has another product line that may impress consumers even more than its flagship burger: sausages. “I think the Beyond bratwurst is the closest you’ll ever come to tricking a meat eater,” Pelekanos says. “That sausage is one of the best plant-based meat products out there.”

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With Beyond safely in supermarkets and Impossible moving into the mass market, the most high-profile battle of the burger war is happening in restaurant chains. Beyond notched its first major win last year, announcing that its burgers would be available at TGI Fridays from coast to coast in January 2018. A few months later, in April, Impossible landed White Castle, its first fast-food customer. Since then, Beyond has put its meat in Carl’s Jr. and Del Taco, but the biggest win so far goes to Impossible: In August, the Burger King Impossible Whopper went national.

The ultimate prize is McDonald’s. And the expectations for a McBeyond are high. Former McDonald’s Corp. CEO Don Thompson is on Beyond’s board, and Brown was asked during Beyond’s very first earnings call, in June, about the company’s ability to supply the fast-food giant. “I’m assuming you guys drew straws to see who’s gonna ask the McDonald’s question,” he joked, before launching into his explanation about how Beyond will ready itself to produce the number of burgers a McDonald’s-level deal would require. “I don’t see anyone out there that would break our system,” he said.

Impossible, famously, has had some trouble keeping customers supplied. (Bloomberg developed an online Burger Stalker to keep track of which restaurants were holding.) The shortage was first reported the same day the company announced it would launch nationally in Burger Kings. Mission Taco Joint, a small chain based in St. Louis, used to sell Impossible “meat” in its tacos. Then it was jilted. “They kept providing for fast-food chains but stopped for small restaurants,” says Jason Tilford, chef and co-owner. (He switched to Hungry Planet Inc., a maker of meatless alternatives he says is “arguably better than Impossible.”) Soon, White Castle and Red Robin experienced shortages, too. Beyond’s stock price duly rose about 7%.

Adding customers while being unable to serve current ones may seem like a questionable business tactic; a Bloomberg News survey in July found that more than 30% of Impossible’s listed restaurants weren’t serving its product while it was pushing into Burger Kings. About 10% of the restaurants surveyed told Bloomberg News they’d switched to Beyond. But Impossible didn’t believe the shortage was cause to slow down. “We see this as an urgent, short-term problem, and we are quite literally working 24/7 to fix it,” Rachel Konrad, Impossible’s chief communications officer, said in June. She adds that the company doesn’t prioritize chains over independents. In late July the company announced that it had succeeded, thanks to a partnership with global food producer OSI Group that will let it quadruple its rate of production by the end of the year.

Beyond has had its own shortages. Last summer, Beyond Burgers ran out at Canadian fast-food chain A&W Restaurants Inc., just as customers were flocking to buy them. (The desperate search for an A&W Beyond Burger is what led celebrity investor Jessica Chastain to invest in the brand.) But the company says it’s learned from the past. On June 12 it announced a partnership with Canada’s Tim Hortons, putting its sausages in breakfast sandwiches in almost 4,000 locations. The stock jumped 13% that day.

That same week, Freebirds World Burrito, a Texas-based chain, had a message on its website letting customers know it would be out of Beyond Meat products until June 17. Brown insists the hiccup was a result of the company pouring its resources into its fresh products, such as the burger; Freebird uses the beef crumble from the frozen line. “There will be isolated incidents from time to time,” the CEO says. Beyond has been expanding production capacity so that when the big customer comes, the company will be ready.


As the plant protein industry grows, stocks of ingredients will grow with it, though possibly with a lag. For Beyond, that means pea protein, which Brown says the company has plenty of. “We took steps to make sure that we have contracts and supply in place to grow at the rate we expect for 2019 and beyond,” he said on the June call. But peas aren’t his only option.

“Pea protein is an amazing resource for us. It works well, but there’s nothing particularly special about it,” Brown says. “There are so many other stocks we can use—mung bean, brown rice, mustard seed, lentils.” Mung bean is the primary ingredient for the eggless eggs made by Just Inc. The company extols the bean’s gelation, its ability to get a curdlike texture when it mixes with an oil such as canola. Impossible, meanwhile, uses American grown (and genetically modified) soybeans.

Beyond has the production advantage, at least for now. The company uses about 100,000 square feet in two facilities in Columbia, Mo., to produce the “core protein-fat matrix” that gets turned into burgers and sausages. It does some patty-making itself, but most of the mixing, blending, and patty-forming is done by a network of co-packers, five as of June, using machinery that’s nearly identical to what beef processors use. Impossible has a single 68,000-square-foot plant in Oakland running similar equipment 24 hours a day. The recently announced partnership with OSI will expand production, beginning in the Midwest.

Investors point to plant-based milk alternatives—a $1.8 billion business, according to Nielsen—to predict just how big the imitation meat market can grow. But Barb Stuckey, president of Mattson, a food and beverage development company in Silicon Valley, uses it as an example of what happens when demand outstrips manufacturing capacity. For her clients, finding a co-packer for a plant-based beverage now happens before a product is fully developed. “We have multibillion-dollar clients who can’t get line time,” she says. “Even to have a conversation, you need to be producing huge quantities.”

And just as the alterna-milk makers have been fending off fights from Big Dairy over what gets to be labeled “milk,” a similar dynamic is happening with alterna-meat. Legislation is popping up state by state to limit the use of words like “meat” and “sausage” on products that don’t come from slaughtered animals. Litigation is testing whether Mississippi and Arkansas laws will stand up in court—and whether Beyond will need to refrain from putting its full company name, “Beyond Meat,” on its packaging.

The category’s bigger long-term problem, though, may be that the products are less healthy than a lot of people think. “If you compare a Beyond Burger to a McDonald’s Quarter Pounder patty, nutritionally speaking, it’s a wash,” says Bonnie Liebman, director of nutrition at the Center for Science in the Public Interest. The health benefits of the Beyond Burger, if there are any, would be in a possible lack of increased risks, such as for heart disease, cancer, and premature death, from red meat. But for a day-to-day dieter, “they’re about comparable for calories and saturated fat.”

Consumers finally realizing that the health benefits are, at best, marginal is “one of the largest risks we see,” says Antonio Hernandez, one of the authors of a Barclays report predicting the sector could reach $140 billion in the next 10 years globally. Yet Beyond Burgers are marketed by celebrity athletes, including basketball player Chris Paul. Brown says he drew inspiration from the iconic Got Milk? ads; he wanted to send the same type of message—if you eat this, you’ll feel better, perform better. “A well-designed plant protein can be a superior protein,” says Brown, who’s tall and brawny and calls himself a health nut. He says his burger is missing the cholesterol and carcinogens that come with beef. If Carl’s Jr. wants to load it up with extra mayo, that’s not his fault. “It’s really about the consumer who’s coming in. We can’t control the rest,” he says. “I eat mine with a lettuce wrap.”

If the health halo enjoyed by plant-based food is an illusion, there’s still the green halo. “Sustainability is far higher on the total value proposition,” says Thomas George, president of Grizzle, an investment research company that focuses on millennials. But ultimately, he says, a lot will depend on price. “The biggest part embedded in the share price is that they can eventually price cheaper than beef. If it can be viewed as 90% as tasty as beef and 30% cheaper, that’s the watershed moment here.” —With Leslie Patton, Lydia Mulvany, and Josh Eidelson
 

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Whole Foods CEO on plant-based meat boom: Good for the environment but not for your health
Published Wed, Aug 21 2019 9:01 AM EDTUpdated 17 Min Ago

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Beyond Meat its first shot at selling its vegan “chicken” strips at Whole Foods locations across the country. Early believers and investors in the product were billionaires Bill Gates and Twitter co-founder Biz Stone.


“We launched Beyond Meat. We were their launching pad. In fact, I think all of their new products have been introduced at Whole Foods,” John Mackey, co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods, tells CNBC Make It.

A year later, Beyond Meat developed its first “beef” product made from plant proteins, which later morphed into its now-famous Beyond Burger in 2016. (The company has since made recipe updates to its original beef patties. In June, Beyond Meat announced its new recipe uses a “blend of pea, mung bean and rice proteins.” )

That same year, another plant-based meat start-up, Impossible Foods, released its alternative to the beef burger made from soy protein concentrate to restaurants. Momofuku Nishi in New York City began serving the Impossible Burger in July 2016. The company is also backed by Bill Gates.

Today, both Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods have exploded.

In May, Beyond Meat had the best IPO so far in 2019 surging more than 163% on the day of its market debut, in addition to making big deals with Carl’s Jr., Dunkin, Del Taco and TGI Friday’s to name a few. And Impossible Foods products are now in about 10,000 restaurants — including White Castle, Red Robin and Burger King — with plans to launch in grocery stores in September.

The market for meat substitutes is expected to hit $2.5 billion by 2023, according to Euromonitor estimates.

But Mackey, who has been a vegan for more than 20 years, isn’t sold on the health benefits of plant-based meats.

“The [brands] who are capturing the imagination of people — and I’m not going to name these brands because I’m afraid I will be associated with the critique of it,” says Mackey, “but some of these that are extremely popular now that are taking the world by storm, if you look at the ingredients, they are super, highly processed foods.”

According to Beyond Meat’s website, ingredients for its plant-based patties include water, pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein and other natural flavors, including apple extract and beet juice extract (for color). Ingredients for Impossible Foods burger include water, soy protein concentrate, coconut oil, sunflower oil, potato protein, soy leghemoglobin (a group of protein found in animals and plants) and other natural flavors, according to its website.

“I don’t think eating highly processed foods is healthy. I think people thrive on eating whole foods,” Mackey says. “As for health, I will not endorse that, and that is about as big of criticism that I will do in public.”

And Mackey isn’t alone. Some dietitians aren’t completely sold on the plant-based burger craze either.

“They are not necessarily healthier than beef burgers,” Alissa Rumsey, a registered dietitian, told CNBC in July. “They’re totally fine to eat, but there’s no need to replace your beef burger if you don’t enjoy these,” Rumsey added, pointing out that both plant-based burgers and traditional beef burgers have the same amount of sodium and saturated fat.

On the other hand, Mackey does believe that plant-based meats are a more ethical choice and are better for the environment than regular meat. And research has backed up those claims.

According to a study commissioned by Beyond Meat with the Center for Sustainable Systems at the University of Michigan, a plant-based burger generates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions, requires 45% less energy, has 99% less impact on water scarcity, and 93% less impact on land use than a ¼ pound of traditional U.S. beef.

According to Fast Company, Americans switching from beef to plant-based patties would be equivalent to taking 12 million cars off the road for an entire year.

Even given his reservations about the health of the products, Mackey says there is at least one good dietary argument for plant-based meat: “A lot of people say ... that [plant-based] meat is a transition food, meaning it’s a way for [people] to begin to reeducate [their] palates”; it’s a good first step in weaning people off of meat products, he says.

Mackey says most Americans wouldn’t enjoy eating like he does (he has 15 fruits and vegetables a day) because their taste buds are used to a diet that includes a lot of processed foods.

“So the reason why these plant-based meats have taken the world by storm is that they taste very similar to regular meats, whereas if you get a [healthy] black bean burger with flax seeds and sweet potatoes in it, that’s going to taste great to me,” he says, but not to most people.

Mackey says the good news is that people can retrain their palate to “enjoy pretty much anything” by consistently eating something they typically didn’t like before.

“I love fruits and vegetables,” Mackey says, because he trained his taste buds to love them.

Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods did not immediately respond to CNBC Make It’s request for comment.


Thanks @playahaitian !!!

I don't trust that shit

If I am vegan why do I need the taste of meat so badly?
 

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https://player.fm/series/the-food-chain-1301468/when-is-a-burger-not-a-burger






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Vegetarian and vegan food companies are under attack for using words like ‘burger', ‘sausage’, or ‘steak’ to describe their meat-free products. The meat industry and some politicians argue such words can only be used to describe foods that came from an animal and that plant-based alternatives should come up with new names to avoid consumer confusion. But can you really claim ownership of a word? And what’s in a name anyway – is this argument about transparency and trust or marketing and profits? Willem Van Weede, CEO of Dutch plant-based food company Vivera argues the case with Jess Peterson, senior policy adviser at the US Cattlemen’s Association, which represents the beef industry. Plus, language expert Carrie Gillon tells us the real origins of the word 'meat' and suggests some new names for plant-based alternatives.






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My brother's been vegetarian for just over 25 years. Went cold-turkey on chicken, beef, pork, fish when he was in grade school. He said his key for getting proper nutrition / sustenance is relying heavily on beans, lentils, casseroles, soups & stews, and wraps. He's lucky in the sense that he's always been a good cook. Was prepping meals for himself way back as a kid, and worked as a sous chef for a handful of years out of high school. I give him credit for making the effort with food prep. He works long hours in carpentry, but doesn't rely on easy alternatives for quick meals. Tries to make extra to have those available leftovers on hand.
 

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Thanks for the post. I really had no idea that this impossible meat was bad for you or worst than real meat. The plant based description of it totally misleads you to think it's healthy.
 

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My brother's been vegetarian for just over 25 years. Went cold-turkey on chicken, beef, pork, fish when he was in grade school. He said his key for getting proper nutrition / sustenance is relying heavily on beans, lentils, casseroles, soups & stews, and wraps. He's lucky in the sense that he's always been a good cook. Was prepping meals for himself way back as a kid, and worked as a sous chef for a handful of years out of high school. I give him credit for making the effort with food prep. He works long hours in carpentry, but doesn't rely on easy alternatives for quick meals. Tries to make extra to have those available leftovers on hand.

That’s a big concern for me with this whole vegetarian and vegan thing. Not that I will give up meat altogether but getting enough sustenance from that type of diet that I still maintain my strength.

When I look at strong ass animals like Ox and Gorillas who diet is mainly vegetarian how is it their bodies are able to maintain that strength and muscle on just plants? Like what plants do we need to eat to be strong like them?
 

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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/03/are...ealthier-than-red-meat-dietitians-say-no.html

Are Beyond Meat’s plant-based burgers healthier than red meat? Dietitians say no.
PUBLISHED THU, JUL 4 2019 10:00 AM EDTUPDATED FRI, JUL 5 2019 11:58 AM EDT

Amelia Lucas





KEY POINTS
  • As U.S. consumers look to cut down their meat consumption, plant-based meats from Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods have become popular.
  • Dietitians, however, are not completely sold on the plant-based burger trend.
  • Instead, they recommend eating less processed options and choosing more whole foods.
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A Beyond Burger, a vegan veggie burger, is seen at the Vedang fast food restaurant in the Mall of Berlin on May 18, 2019 in Berlin, Germany. With fast food chains such as Burger King, Chick-Fil-A, Taco Bell and Dunkin’ Donuts now offering ‘fake meat’ versions of their main meal options, the vegan burger industry is booming, as consumers look beyond real meat products out of health and environmental concerns.
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Beyond Meat’s sales pitch to customers has focused on the benefits of abstaining from meat: a healthier planet and a healthier lifestyle.

But dietitians are not completely sold on the plant-based burger trend.


Vegan patties from Beyond and its rival Impossible Foods have offered Americans a new way to reduce their meat consumption. Mintel found that nearly 60% of U.S. consumers have expressed interested in eating less meat. These so-called flexitarians are driving restaurant chains like Burger King and Carl’s Jr. to add meatless burgers to their menus.

The growing market for meat alternatives has also attracted interest from investors. Beyond’s stock, which began trading publicly May 2, has soared more than six times above its initial public offering price of $25 per share. Impossible raised $300 million in its latest funding round as it waits to go public.

The healthier option?
Scientific research has linked frequent consumption of red meat to heart disease and cancer. Beyond’s website claims that animal-based meats lead to a 16% increased risk of cancer and 21% increased risk of heart disease.

In theory, then, eating plant-based imitations of red meat is healthier.

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“I’m all for products that are helping us find a more moderate approach for our diet,” Jessica Cording, a New York City-based registered dietitian, said.


Meatless burgers are a step in the right direction, she said. For consumers who are just starting to cut out meat, options that taste familiar can make the transition easier.

Like Cording, Alissa Rumsey, owner of Alissa Rumsey Nutrition and Wellness, believes that we benefit from eating more plants — but she isn’t sold on these plant-based options.

“They are not necessarily healthier than beef burgers,” Rumsey, a registered dietitian, said. “They’re totally fine to eat, but there’s no need to replace your beef burger if you don’t enjoy these.”

Rumsey pointed to the amounts of sodium and saturated fat in plant-based burgers, which is roughly the same as that in a traditional beef burger.

And public perception that the Beyond and Impossible burgers are healthier than red meat options can lead to a “health halo” around them, she said. As a result, consumers may over-indulge after eating a plant-based burger.

Processed ingredients
Beyond and Impossible have found fans because they taste more like beef than traditional veggie burgers. To mimic red meat’s taste and texture, both companies’ burgers use a mix of plant-based proteins, oils and other ingredients.

Because both the Impossible Burger and the Beyond Burger are processed foods, registered dietitian Catherine Perez still puts them in the “indulgence category.”

Perez, who specializes in plant-based diets at the Charge Group, said that people looking to eat veggie burgers a few times a week should make theirs at home instead.

Cording’s chief complaint with processed ingredients focuses on a single one: processed soy. Processed soy is controversial because it strips out some of the key nutrients found in traditional soy foods like tofu and can contain unhealthy compounds.

The Impossible Burger uses heme from soy plants for a meaty taste and realistic juices, as well as soy protein concentrate. The Beyond Burger does not contain soy and instead uses pea protein isolate for its primary protein source.

All three dietitians said that consumers should try to incorporate more whole foods — rather than processed foods — into their meals.
 

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I’ve tried beyond meat but it costs pretty much the same. It wasn’t bad. Just had a ribeye and a sirloin. Beyond that and I’ll try it
 

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Great-Tasting Veggie Burgers are Here, But Are They Any Healthier?
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Impossible Foods' patties even look like the real thing. Impossible Foods

It’s a new era for veggie burgers. Meticulously engineered patties from the likes of Impossible FoodsOpens a New Window. and Beyond MeatOpens a New Window. have emerged from research labs that made plants fleshy, smoky, and even “bleed” a bit. The veggie burger’s evolution out of the frozen food section is clearly a boon for vegetarians and the environment (a fact the companies like to repeatedly tout), but when it comes to health — well, that’s still a matter of debate.



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Saying a food is “plant-based” does not mean it’s made with whole vegetables, and therefore healthy. These meat-free burgers, like many vegan food products, are full of derivative ingredients such as protein isolated from plants. Furthemore, like white bread, these non-meat burgers lose nutrients with processing, according to dietician Sharon PalmerOpens a New Window.. “The issue is that highly processed foods are often left with highly absorbable carbohydrates, and little of the important nutrients, such as fiber, vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals,” she says.



Besides protein, saturated fats are another key component of burgers, which the non-meat formulations get from coconut oil. “Coconut oil is ideal for replicating the fat in ground beef. We know, we’ve tried them all,” says a representative from Impossible Foods. “It melts like beef fat and gives our burger its juiciness.” The Impossible Burger then ends up with comparable saturated fat to a beef burger.



MORE: Is Red Meat Bad for You?
Both the Impossible Burger and the Beyond Burger have more than five times as much sodium as an unseasoned beef patty for two main reasons: preservation and flavor. While moderate salt intake is healthy, too much sodium can lead to high blood pressure, which increases the risks of heart disease and stroke.



The plant-based burgers score better than beef on a couple of nutrition measures. Both the Beyond Burger and the Impossible Burger have zero cholesterol, as opposed to the 100 milligrams of cholesterol in an 85-percent lean-beef burger. Cholesterol itself is only found in animal products and, just like saturated fat, eating a lot of it can raise LDL levels that are linked to heart disease. The Beyond Burger also has more of the essential mineral iron than a beef burger does.




But the biggest health advantage the non-meat burgers have over beef burgers is skipping out on the particular risks associated with consuming red meat. Eating a lot of well-done or barbecued meats has been linked to increased risk for colorectal and other cancersOpens a New Window.. Considering the health of the world, it’s also worth noting that industrially farmed cows are often fed antibiotics, a practice that contributes to the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.



The bottom line? Both somewhat unhealthy, meat and non-meat burgers should not be a regular food item for anyone. As occasional treats, though, it’s nice to know that there’s finally one burger both you and your vegetarian friends can enjoy.

Your Burgers By the Numbers

The Beyond Burger (4-oz. patty)

Calories: 290

Total fat (g): 22

Saturated fat (g): 5

Cholesterol (mg): 0

Sodium (mg): 450

Protein (g): 20

Iron (Daily Value %): 25%

The Impossible Burger (3-oz. patty)

Calories: 220

Total fat (g): 13

Saturated fat (g): 11

Cholesterol (mg): 0

Sodium (mg): 470

Protein (g): 21

Iron (Daily Value %): 10%



85-percent lean beef (4-oz. patty, based on USDA National Nutrient Database)

Calories: 283

Total fat (g): 17.5

Saturated fat (g): 6.7

Cholesterol (mg): 100

Sodium (mg): 82

Protein (g): 29.4

Iron (Daily Value %): 16%
 

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Tim Hortons' Beyond Meat Burger May Not Be As Healthy As You Think
Are you better off with regular beef?
Colin Leggett4 weeks ago
Updated on July 25 @ 02:19 PM
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In keeping up with one of the biggest trends in fast food right now, Tim Horton’s has introduced two new Beyond Meat plant-based burgers. The new burger contains 20g of plant-based protein, something the Canada Food Guide has urged Canadians to get more of in their diet. But is Tim Horton’s Beyond Meat burger healthier than your average beef patty? Maybe, maybe not.

In some ways, the Beyond Meat patty does win against beef when it comes to saturated fat and calories, but when compared with a regular beef patty, it was found to contain more sodium. That’s legitimately concerning for people who might be watching their intake.

Dietician Rose Schwartz told Global News, the Beyond Burger is what is considered an “ultra-processed food,” something she says people should avoid as much as possible. Dr. Frank Hu, from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, conducted a study in which he found that there is not enough evidence to show that a Beyond Burger is conclusively healthier than regular beef.

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Unlike a normal beef patty (which typically only has one ingredient: beef), the Beyond Meat burger is made from nearly 20 unique ingredients, including coconut oil, pea protein isolate, and even an apple extract to simulate browning, just like real meat.

The burgers also contain shelf stabilizers which, according to nutrition coach Jayne Williams, are “not the best.” The pea protein isolate can also be dangerous to people with nut allergies.

Despite some of the concerns about their product, Beyond Meat’s CEO Ethan Brown has stood by his product, claiming that comparisons to red meat are unfair as they do not take into consideration the numerous health risks associated with eating red meat regularly.

So is the plant-based patty better for you in the long run? The jury is still out, for the most part, however having one every once in a while instead of a regular burger may still be a better choice. Just don’t make a habit of eating either one too often.
 

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The Great Veggie Burger Debate: Are They Actually Good for You?

Well, it depends what you mean by "good."

By Gowri Chandra
March 01, 2018
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These days, most people would probably agree that eating less meat is a good thing: for the environment, for our bodies and for the 10 billion animalschurned out annually through our factory farming industry. According to the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture Organization, 14.5 percent of all man-made greenhouse gas emissions globally come from livestock. For all these reasons, then, plant-based companies like Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat have become appealing to more than just vegans.

Impossible Foods, which made headlines in 2016 for its bleeding burger, has been plugged heavily by superstar chefs like David Chang—you can find it on the menu at his NYC restaurant Momofuku Nishi. As of August 2017, the Silicon Valley-based company had amassed more than $300 million in funding, as estimated by TechCrunch. It’s backed by Bill Gates.

The question has been posed, however: Are there any downfalls to these cutting-edge plant-based products? Among vegan circles, there’s a sort of pride in rejecting animal analogues: “I just don’t crave those anymore,” some will say.


Yet meat apologists and followers of the slow-food movement take issue with the processed nature of these products. “Why eat a super processed burger instead of a piece of grass-fed steak,” the criticism goes. Well, for one, most Americans still reach for industrially farmed beef for their weekday suppers, which has gotten even cheaper. Grass-fed beef is still prohibitively expensive for many. (To be fair, the price tag of Beyond Meat’s plant-based burger is also relatively high: 8 oz are priced at $5.99 in a city like Los Angeles, for example. However, the hope is that, with scale, prices will eventually come down.) Price aside, grass-fed and pasture-raised beef haven’t dispensed with the environmental and ethical concerns of the meat industry. So, it’s worth a look at making plant-based alternatives work, even just as one-off substitutes for omnivores, à la The Omnivores Dilemma.

That said, the concerns raised around some of these plant-based products are honest inquiries. Impossible Burger, for example, has more than double the saturated fat of an 85% lean beef burger: 3.6 grams per ounce (derived from coconut oil) versus 1.7. However, both it and category competitor Beyond Burger have 0% cholesterol. (Thanks, Men’s Journal, for the side-by-side stats.) Impossible Burger also has over seven times the amount of sodium in its 85/15 beef counterpart: 145 mg vs. 20.5 mg in beef. Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger rings in at 112.5 mg of sodium per ounce. In its defense, Impossible representatives cite that the burger—only available in restaurants right now, not retail—is sent to chefs ready to serve, no further seasonings needed. Compare that to a store-bought beef patty, which most people salt before eating.



“We plan to launch the Impossible Burger in retail outlets (i.e. grocery stores), and we are actively working to lower the amount of sodium in our burger,” writes Rachel Konrad in an email, Chief Communications Officer at Impossible Foods. Food & Wine reached out to Beyond Burger as well, but did not hear back.

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And then there’s the whole heme issue: It’s been getting a lot of attention recently, as the F.D.A. has expressed concerns over Impossible Burger’s inclusion of it. (Category rival Beyond Burger does not include heme or gluten, which are the product’s two chief differentiators.) Per the New York Times, the F.D.A stated in 2015 that it “believes the arguments presented, individually and collectively, do not establish the safety of soy leghemoglobin for consumption, nor do they point to a general recognition of safety.” That said, Impossible Foods is still legally allowed to sell its burger, which has not been deemed unsafe.

Heme is a protein that occurs all the time in nature, both in animals and in plants. It’s kind of like a molecular basket that carries iron, Dr. Kent Kirshenbaum explains. He’s a chemistry professor at New York University, and was recently on a panel discussing veggie burgers at an annual industry conference hosted by International Association of Culinary Professionals (IACP). In the interest of full disclosure, he says he’s worked previously with Beyond Meat and retains a small interest in the company.

The debate around heme, he explains, is twofold—whether it’s founded or not is another question. It’s not so much that Impossible Burger contains the compound, but rather the quantities of it and also the way it’s produced. The company wraps naturally occurring heme inside a larger molecule, called leghemoglobin, and puts that in their burger. Leghemoglobin also occurs naturally in soy root nodules, but, per the F.D.A., these are not “a commonly consumed human food.” (When’s the last time you had soy root nodules for dinner?) Their document, via the New York Times, goes on to say that “there is no history or knowledge of human dietary exposure to soy leg hemoglobin from roots.”

So basically, because we don’t eat soy root nodules often—and consequently, leghemoglobin—the question is: Is eating it regularly harmful for us? The F.D.A. is still trying to figure that one out.

There are also concerns about how the company is producing it. Instead of harvesting it from soy root nodules, where it is found in nature, Impossible is growing it artificially through yeast, making it a genetically modified food. (Some have speculated that this is for reasons of scale—Impossible Foods did not.) “This is not necessarily problematic,” Kirshenbaum says. “There are many GMOs in our food system, and these are often regarded as safe.” The GMO issue is another one altogether, although it doesn’t sit well with a lot of people.

And finally, there’s the question about heme itself, even when it’s not packaged up in leghemoglobin or genetically modified. “[T]here isn't much known about using heme proteins as additives, so it's difficult to be certain,” says Kirshenbaum. “And like many nutrients, heme may be beneficial in small quantities, but hazardous in some forms or in large quantities.”

There are many people who are vocally concerned about heme, and would prefer to avoid it if they can—especially because competitor product Beyond Burger doesn’t have it at all. Why does Impossible Foods use heme at all then, if it’s so contentious? Well, according to the company’s research scientists, the molecule is singularly responsible for that beefy flavor in burgers—it’s what makes “meat taste and behave like meat,” says Konrad. She goes on to address criticisms in an email to Food & Wine:

“We analyzed soy leghemoglobin to determine if it shared any meaningful similarity to known allergens; it does not. We performed numerous tests (including tests on digestion, heat sensitivity and acid sensitivity) to make sure it was safe. And we conducted a comprehensive toxicology study in which rats were fed amounts of heme far in excess of what any human could consume in our burger, with absolutely no ill effects.”

Excessive heme consumption has been linked to high levels of colon and prostate cancer, Jane Brody wrote in a New York Times blog post. For Kirshenbaum, “The critical question becomes what is ‘excessive,’ and does the amount in the Impossible Burger qualify as excessive. I don't have enough knowledge to have an opinion on this,” he says.

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The heme debate aside, there’s the fact that both Beyond Burger and Impossible Burger are pretty highly-processed foods. (Indeed, their technological prowess is part of these companies’ appeal to the anti-hummus-and-sprouts crowd.) Are these burgers compromising nutritional quality in their quest to mimic meat? If we’re comparing them to whole vegetables, the answer is probably yes. It would be very hard to make the case that these products are better for you than whole carrots and peas.

But, that’s not really the point. Whether it’s from plants or from animals, a burger is still a burger. “It’s a fantastic amino acid and fat delivery system,” Kirshenbaum said at the panel. And that’s what makes it satisfying. If it were lower in fat, it likely wouldn’t be as successful as a meat analogue. (Just for reference: the Impossible Burger has about 4.3 grams of fat per ounce, and the Beyond Burger rings in at 5.5 grams, according to these side-by-side stats. That's on par with 85/15 ground beef.)

At the end of the day, plant-based burgers—at least the ones that most faithfully replicate meat—are going to fall into the same “indulgent” category as their animal-derived counterpart: they’re probably not going to be a five-times-a-week meal, at least not right now. (Sorry to dash the stereotype that all vegan food is inherently low fat or healthy.)

In a prior interview with Food & Wine, Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown also addressed the processed nature of his company’s burger. Yes, it’s processed, he acknowledges—but it’s still way, way better than industrial meat.

“We could go meet the farmer that grew your peas. We can show you how the protein was separated,” he says. “We could also go see the farmer that raised the cow you consumed, and go see that slaughterhouse. You can’t tell me that process is better than our process.”

And maybe that’s the real standard here—we’re not comparing veggie burgers to the plants they come from. Of course whole foods are going to come out nutritionally ahead every time. The ultimate competitor here is traditional meat: in taste, price, and nutrition.

Venture capitalist-backed companies like Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods have grown so rapidly in the past decade, faster than their natural foods forefathers before them. And there’s still a lot they’re learning, optimizing for and tweaking. Research is still being done. One thing is for sure: a rising tide floats all ships, and the fact that we can have this debate in the first place—contemplating the pros and cons of multi-million dollar plant-based products—is a win for vegans, gourmands and environmentalists alike.
 

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Yea those non meat meat products should

NOT. E a hundred percent of your meal

Meaning

If you get like a veggie burger or a soy based product..

For best digestive results your meal must consist of over 80 percent veggies..

I may make an arugula salad and heat up a veggie burger and throw it in there...

Its fun to add the shit every now and then its just not an everyday thing




But I cut down on that a lot..

I been incorporating a lot of mushrooms lately...
 

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That’s a big concern for me with this whole vegetarian and vegan thing. Not that I will give up meat altogether but getting enough sustenance from that type of diet that I still maintain my strength.

When I look at strong ass animals like Ox and Gorillas who diet is mainly vegetarian how is it their bodies are able to maintain that strength and muscle on just plants? Like what plants do we need to eat to be strong like them?




Agreed. I tried going veggie back in high school - around 10th grade or so. Only lasted about 6 months though, as I was missing the regular meals that I was used to, and burning off way too much energy & calories. Was doing a sports leadership program, going to basketball & soccer practices, working out & playing streetball (and going for latenight runs too). Sometimes would leave the house around 6 - 6:30am and get home by 9 - 10pm. Don't think I was getting enough nutrition even then ... just off a standard diet. Wasn't snacking or hydrating enough considering all the sporting activities. Looking back that schedule was crazy.

As for brother ... he's pretty good about getting his greens (spinach & salads), and seems like he relies heavily on chickpeas, black beans, kidney beans, lentils, etc. He said he had thought about going vegan, but he likes cereal & having cheese with sandwiches or other meals like lasagna, wraps, quesadillas, burritos, etc. Been on vacation with him a few times the past 10 years and people would often ask him IF he felt like there would be enough meal-time options for him at restaurants. He's always made it work. Has been able to maintain his weight and strength. He mostly does weights & runs.
 
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