Movie News: Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan - SINNERS - jim crow era vampire flick (SPOILERS OPEN!!!)
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Saw accountant 2 today I thought about buying a tix for sinners and sneaking into accountant
Once again, we are totally in agreement on this particular matter. As far as I can tell, vampires do not and have never existed in the real world. That being the case, it's not as though they are or were an actual group of people with a recorded history that popular artists are obliged to honor. In the Blade flicks, the titular character was killing vamps with ultraviolet lights powered by batteries and shit. I don't remember a single cross or crucifix in any of those. So long as Coogler and company don't blatantly contradict whatever in-universe rules they set up, or do anything else to disturb suspension of disbelief, what's the problem?
Just saw it yesterday.
What a phenomenal movie.
Made with love for us, by us.
That scene showing the evolution of how music is spiritual in different facets and eras.
And it truly needs to be seen in the movies with a black audience for the full experience.
10/10
What a phenomenal movie.
Made with love for us, by us.
That scene showing the evolution of how music is spiritual in different facets and eras.
And it truly needs to be seen in the movies with a black audience for the full experience.
10/10
YOU better write that story now
Cause I'd pay to read it
You ain't just stretch with that...
That was a potential career ending injury to your ACL and MCL.
My brother...I had black women buying me snacks, people talking drinking before and after.l, hugs handshakes from strangers. White people scared as f**k to say anything.
Remined me of going to see nothing black panthers and Malcolm x in the theatres
So for me, that dating scene for me was funny because it was just the randomness of it. Like he rigged the system and still ended up with no dates. And it comes up again in the bar, like while he doesn't have the appropriate social skills, the homie feels lonely and wants some ass..lol
Like that talk with the Russian chick from Bernthal., I thought that was unnecessary. Like talking about that dog..that was unnecessary too. I would have found a way to get Medina in a bathing suit or something..lol.
I remember final draft being dropped here back in the day. I want to say @slam or @BlackLS430 dropped it. So we know Coogs wasn't on BGOL..
I did that yesterday. You should have done it
I was too young but I heard about fights after Do the Right Thing.
thank you for your honesty.
The bar line dance thing made sense because of his ability to find patterns, so his ability to dance wasn't him dancing it was just mimicking the patterns that he was able to match in his brain. I got that.
And that Black chick at the bar was smokin...whew.
The Russian chick with Bernthal was unnecessary, same with talking about the dog, just so his brother can bring up later on that he's more of a cat person, and then stopping the bus to get the cat on the side of the road... unnecessary, just a reason to follow up on some shit you talked about earlier that has no reason for being there, same with the chair.
Another two thing I was really curious about is the depiction AND efficacy of spiritual spellwork vs divinity.
Again, bringing up vampiric lore and tying it to direct interdiction from divinity, we see that vampires can't access a human created dwelling without permission. It is questionable as to why "God" would allow vampires to exist at all, but allow them to exist within confines of rules, that if they exercise proper judgement, they can thrive in, for as long as there is a "food source". While at same time, not allowing humans to know what these forbiddance things are as a race, which again favors the vampires.
It has to be assumed that divinity prevents them from simply rampaging through mortal homes, yet a simple uttered statement from a human can negate this "forbiddance". Also notice that the Asian woman doesn't directly invite any vampire in but is deemed by her word choice to having invited ALL vampires in, sight unseen! The question I had here, again due to Coogers Vamp-power depiction, is, are they all able to enter due to the Hivemind power, which has them being a collective, or is the elder Vamp able to fudge the rules?
The cross appears to be on no consequence whatsoever, even though it is considered a symbolic totem of God, somehow garlic is effective even though garlic also has nothing to do with divinity and or spiritual systems and originated in neither an African nor European region of the world.
The small satchel of spiritual items is somehow very effective even in close combat, while not being tied to divinity and at same time in direct opposition of this God's" edicts regarding "false idols/worship". And the source of her spiritual practice is African derived.
But the thing that really stands out is this, at the end, it appears Smoke is reunited with his woman who JUST transitioned and his child who transitioned well over 5 years ago, the symbolism depicts them in white, which is associated with Divine "Heaven", I wonder if he intentionally did that, cause then it means, whiteys God of wrath and jealously and vengeance is the REAL God. Or it means that he maybe thought we could only accept an afterlife depiction that we have been indoctrinated to process from colonizers.
The reason I say the latter is because she makes the statement of not wanting the smoke to get on the baby, the importance of that is in spiritual practices, communication with those who have transitioned is done via frequency foremost {why the elder wanted MILES in the first place, and shows that the Elder vampire is also a practitioner of a spiritual/supernatural belief] and libations, which includes liquor/drink, water and smoke. These are the things that can entice a non-corporal entity to seek to inhabit corporal form.
It also depicts that the infant regardless of the passage of human years since it died, WAS STILL AN INFANT IN THIS OTHER REALM! That in itself I think, would be a form of hell, if one stays in the state/form they died in, for eternity.
Again, just sharing what the movie made me think about.
Again, bringing up vampiric lore and tying it to direct interdiction from divinity, we see that vampires can't access a human created dwelling without permission. It is questionable as to why "God" would allow vampires to exist at all, but allow them to exist within confines of rules, that if they exercise proper judgement, they can thrive in, for as long as there is a "food source". While at same time, not allowing humans to know what these forbiddance things are as a race, which again favors the vampires.
It has to be assumed that divinity prevents them from simply rampaging through mortal homes, yet a simple uttered statement from a human can negate this "forbiddance". Also notice that the Asian woman doesn't directly invite any vampire in but is deemed by her word choice to having invited ALL vampires in, sight unseen! The question I had here, again due to Coogers Vamp-power depiction, is, are they all able to enter due to the Hivemind power, which has them being a collective, or is the elder Vamp able to fudge the rules?
The cross appears to be on no consequence whatsoever, even though it is considered a symbolic totem of God, somehow garlic is effective even though garlic also has nothing to do with divinity and or spiritual systems and originated in neither an African nor European region of the world.
The small satchel of spiritual items is somehow very effective even in close combat, while not being tied to divinity and at same time in direct opposition of this God's" edicts regarding "false idols/worship". And the source of her spiritual practice is African derived.
But the thing that really stands out is this, at the end, it appears Smoke is reunited with his woman who JUST transitioned and his child who transitioned well over 5 years ago, the symbolism depicts them in white, which is associated with Divine "Heaven", I wonder if he intentionally did that, cause then it means, whiteys God of wrath and jealously and vengeance is the REAL God. Or it means that he maybe thought we could only accept an afterlife depiction that we have been indoctrinated to process from colonizers.
The reason I say the latter is because she makes the statement of not wanting the smoke to get on the baby, the importance of that is in spiritual practices, communication with those who have transitioned is done via frequency foremost {why the elder wanted MILES in the first place, and shows that the Elder vampire is also a practitioner of a spiritual/supernatural belief] and libations, which includes liquor/drink, water and smoke. These are the things that can entice a non-corporal entity to seek to inhabit corporal form.
It also depicts that the infant regardless of the passage of human years since it died, WAS STILL AN INFANT IN THIS OTHER REALM! That in itself I think, would be a form of hell, if one stays in the state/form they died in, for eternity.
Again, just sharing what the movie made me think about.
I love movies like this. Because it isn't airhead friendly. I'm already exhausted at the thought of having to explain this to somebody.
Putting everything into context brings out the
"super nerd" in everybody.
* Anytime I have reason to break out this gif, I will.*
There's some stuff that was brought up that I didn't catch, but I can trace where I missed whatever is was that made that the connection because I was paying attention to what someone else was doing in that scene. And there were times where I was paying more attention just to how a scene was shot.
The ability to pack this many themes with the symbolism that meets you at your IQ level excited this well deserves to be treated this way.
Putting everything into context brings out the
"super nerd" in everybody.
* Anytime I have reason to break out this gif, I will.*
There's some stuff that was brought up that I didn't catch, but I can trace where I missed whatever is was that made that the connection because I was paying attention to what someone else was doing in that scene. And there were times where I was paying more attention just to how a scene was shot.
The ability to pack this many themes with the symbolism that meets you at your IQ level excited this well deserves to be treated this way.
Kevin bacon trying to be in the sequel / prequel as the Irish vampire older bro.. Kevin bacon playing evil motherfuckers ( see sleepers as a reference) is movie gold
Between black people?
Listen a lot stuff back then was over blown. Black folk get passionate about certain movies and directors. So ex girlfriends boyfriends baby daddy jump offs crews etc are going to bump heads at theatre because the movies were an actual night out.
Yeah there was scuffle when I saw it and everyone sang self destruction and it stopped. They would never report that.
And the media will bend over backwards to smear us ESPECIALLY when attached to a pro black project.
There was shooting at First Blood and white boys fought after Rocky nobody reported that.
He would be excellent
I love movies like this. Because it isn't airhead friendly. I'm already exhausted at the thought of having to explain this to somebody.
Putting everything into context brings out the
"super nerd" in everybody.
* Anytime I have reason to break out this gif, I will.*
There's some stuff that was brought up that I didn't catch, but I can trace where I missed whatever is was that made that the connection because I was paying attention to what someone else was doing in that scene. And there were times where I was paying more attention just to how a scene was shot.
The ability to pack this many themes with the symbolism that meets you at your IQ level excited this well deserves to be treated this way.
Hmmmm...Okay okay I see it I see it.
I like it.
But but but but All these social media movie experts said this was IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Oh lawd... they can't actually not know wtf they are talking about?
It can't be?!!!
Fuk these devils
I understand
Everything isn't for everybody
Also when something is super hyped it effects your expectations and enjoyment.
I wish you had enjoyed it more. Maybe down the line you might give another chance at home.
Why we talking Affleck up in here?
Black man can't even a THREAD on bgol by himself?
Yall got bit?
Also, can't remember if this got posted. Honestly don't know why I didn't post it. This was the only interview I watched before seeing the movie even though I knew these guys would've caught what would have caught what would've spoiled it. Coogler felt right at home.
And it seems like they saw the same interview. Lol
And it seems like they saw the same interview. Lol
No between black and white people...I gotcha.
Some people might have expected more action or more of it to be focused on the vampires.. I knew b4 watching the movie that it was more about a period piece so wasn’t disappointed.. plus a bunch of klan members got killed at the end fulfilled my blood lust.. the fact that it truly showed that there was an evil agenda even if the vampires never showed up.. white hate and their devilish ways.. wish the trailer didn’t spoil the inevitable outcome of them cacs.. when he was sitting on the case I knew what was about to happen
Tom C(since he saw the film) probably trying to call up Ryan for the same idea
"God" allows vampires because they are the undead. Not under God's eye, basically, because they are between life & death.
No, its not really divinity. A house is seen as your place of power. To have the damned cross your threshold requires permission. Think of it like how someone has to give an entity permission before being possessed. Unholy/evil things cannot cross borders without permission.
And technically, the Asian women (Helen, I think her name was) shouldn't have had the power to do such. It usually has to be the person that owes or resides in the house/building/area/etc.
It seems like a variation of the mind control power that vampires are supposed to have. Technically, vampires can make two creatures: another vampire that is independent of the one that bit them & a thrall. The thrall is the one that vampires have dominion over, which included mind reading & manipulation of the thrall. Elder vampires control new vamps with charms, usually. Apparently, Sinners changed the vampire rules a little.
I think that Remmick was so desirous of having a "family" again that he kept the connection open. That connection is a cheat code that allowed the lesser vampires to "hive-mind". Or it could be Remmick just "pushing" what he wants them to know into their mind. It seems like the vamps he made were a mix of thralls & regular vamps.
You got to have belief to go along with religious items. It's the belief that hurts them, not the item. Garlic has always been a ward against evil & impure things. You're leaning a lot on Judeo-Christian ideals, when vampyrs are more of a Slavic thing.
Again, it's the belief, not the item. Nothing to do with divinity. Nothing to do with Christianity. If this movie was in a bowling alley & Smoke had on his lucky socks & so happens to pull it off during the battle, it would hurt the vampire. Because of his belief in its luck.
Well, they always say that someone from the other side will bring you over. Think about it. His brother was the undead, which in his mind means he's gonna burn in hell (and yes, I know the truth...but....spoilers) & the only thing other than him he truly loved was Sammie & his kid. So, yeah, his kid's gonna be there. And Mary already told him she'll be there.
And it does represent heaven, but it doesn't mean that the Judeo-Christian God is the real God. I mean, what did you want? The Star Child scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Yep. There's a reason why they call liquor spirits. And you forgot oil. That's how they trapped genies/jinns.
I separated this part from what you wrote because I don't believe that Remmick was a practitioner of anything. I think that he was a musician & once he became a vampire, he saw how music (i.e. frequency) can open the doorway to his ancestors. That explains his singing & his river dancing (which is also kinda ironic, being that vampires hate running water) & making the rest of vampires have a Irish ceilidh (think I spelled that right...).
But he lacked the SOUL. That's what keeps the doorways open & allows the ancestors to interact with you. Notice when Sammie did his thing, he connected to his future & past ancestry. The power of his song was so great, even the Chinese ancestors came through & connected with Bo & Lin. The pain of slavery & being black, made into music by first a hum, then a stomp. Merrick's ceilidh did nothing but kick up a whole lot of dust, because he had no soul.
The real question is, why did he want Sammie, when Delta Slim had a good 30+ years of experience & blues on him? I get that Sammie's singing is what attracted them, but the minute Delta Slim got turned, Merrick could've broke out & used him to do what he wanted.
Yeah, that is something to think about...
Many many ages ago there was the terrible trioTom C(since he saw the film) probably trying to call up Ryan for the same idea
You had the youngest bro singalong
You had the oldest bro fast feet
You had the middle bro mutt lover
Together they set the Irish back hundreds of yrs
Why we talking Affleck up in here?
Black man can't even a THREAD on bgol by himself?
Yall got bit?
My bad. I was just talking on how I bought a ticket for Sinners and went into The Accountant 2 and rambled on about how intentional Coogler was in his film making, and how this shit added shit that should have been left on the cutting room floor and we were debating that. That's all. I'm done. I'm sure he's done too. Don't yell at us anymore. We're sorry. So so sorry. Okay, you happy?