Not every damn song, but certain songs he stated he didn't write. I used to be able to tell years ago, but that was then.
Music Debate: BIG & Jay Z RUIN Hip Hop because NOT WRITING?
Not every damn song, but certain songs he stated he didn't write. I used to be able to tell years ago, but that was then.
most them cats lying
Big wrote his stuff down cause he said he wasn,'t not good at freestyle rap. Jay wrote songs by bits and joined them later. These new cats can't rap out the gate.but we are the blame cause we listen to it on DA radio and cause it has a good beat!!! Rap is not a craft anymore any dopeboy can get a lable and get a record deal!!! That's y u don't hear good music on the radio like u did back I will say 2003... After that game went way down to bullshit.even that shit jay-z is putting on his solo joints
Well for the average garbage rapper no.
Writing it wont help them .
But if you have skills i think its ok.
Its not like big or jay freestyled their verses,they were well thought out and memorized.
Im still waiting for you to clear a spot in your inbox playa
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Most forget that people can actually recite things from memory with no writing utensils
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Shy D used to got into the booth without paper, because he remembered his shit. I was impressed, but I could NEVER do that. Fuck that memory shit, if you got some nice words written down, take that shit to the studio with you. What good is bragging about not reading your rhymes, when your shit sux? Muhfuckas throwing the balls into the stands trying to throw a no look pass.
* boom
Cyhi the Prynce speaks on Jay's & Kanye's process of creation in the studio :
This is false
Memory exercises
Biggie didn't teach Jay. They bonded because both of them did it, and Biggie expected Jay to need paper.
Hell Big Daddy Kane talked about Jay doing it back in the early 90's
Hip Hop declined because of the subject matter. The only things these cats rap about is materialism, selling dope to their own people, and putting 2 in the chest(gun play) of another black man.
This is false
Memory exercises
Biggie didn't teach Jay. They bonded because both of them did it, and Biggie expected Jay to need paper.
Hell Big Daddy Kane talked about Jay doing it back in the early 90's
right
false history lessons and shit
look you can rap about money, hoes, clothes, partying, bullshit, the drug game, etc
but you have to have some wit, humor and panache with your style man
and that is what a lot of these cats lack
but you have to have some wit, humor and panache with your style man
and that is what a lot of these cats lack
This is false
Memory exercises
Biggie didn't teach Jay. They bonded because both of them did it, and Biggie expected Jay to need paper.
Hell Big Daddy Kane talked about Jay doing it back in the early 90's
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I suspect Jay is lying about that shit. I heard a couple conflicting stories.
Only time written lyrics were viewed negatively was during freestyles.......
Most folks assumed the album lyrics were written.....it was expected.
Most folks assumed the album lyrics were written.....it was expected.
Right. And that shit spawned a whole host of niggas that claim to bot write but should've been.Dude, now you can just mumble on a track in harmony and put that shit out
What I'm saying is Jay had a prepared verse. It was well thought out and well planned. He "wrote" the rhyme in his head. The paper is just a medium.
So writng is semantics here. It was written just not wrote down for him to recite. He might have had rhymes he had thought up days ago and he adjusted it to fit the beat playing.
This is false
Memory exercises
If you never heard of memory exercises, I dont know what to tell you.
I've heard of memory exercises, but your entire story was pure bullshit
Who told you that shit...your baby mommas cousin Harold?
I've seen Cease and JM say the same shit about Jay and Biggie.
and every fuckin producer.
Jay was rapping before Biggie.
I've worked with a few cats in the past who didn't write anything down at all.
Most notably for me, my man who I was running with NEVER wrote anything down on paper. He pulled it all from his head. He used to always tell me that "if you lived it and went thru it, you should be able to pull it from memory."
I never looked at other artists the same after that.
We worked in the same spot at the time, and no matter what time of day, he was ALWAYS spitting to himself, reorganizing bars, taking mental photos, and formulating songs in his head every second of everyday. We put together an 18 track album and he never wrote a single thing down.
One day in the studio, the engineer on the track asked him, "hey do you have a lyric sheet so I can get on the same page as you guys?"
My man looks over at me, points at me and goes, "he's my lyric sheet."
After I explained to him what he was talking about, he was floored.
I'm always reminded of that day with the scene from the Fade to Black documentary where Rick Rubin is explaining the process on Jay's writing process.
0:38 second mark:
This was the biggest reason I never blinked at Jay's ability to do this. I respected it of course, but I was also privy to seeing it on a daily basis.
It's truly an amazing talent.
Most notably for me, my man who I was running with NEVER wrote anything down on paper. He pulled it all from his head. He used to always tell me that "if you lived it and went thru it, you should be able to pull it from memory."
I never looked at other artists the same after that.
We worked in the same spot at the time, and no matter what time of day, he was ALWAYS spitting to himself, reorganizing bars, taking mental photos, and formulating songs in his head every second of everyday. We put together an 18 track album and he never wrote a single thing down.
One day in the studio, the engineer on the track asked him, "hey do you have a lyric sheet so I can get on the same page as you guys?"
My man looks over at me, points at me and goes, "he's my lyric sheet."
After I explained to him what he was talking about, he was floored.
I'm always reminded of that day with the scene from the Fade to Black documentary where Rick Rubin is explaining the process on Jay's writing process.
0:38 second mark:
This was the biggest reason I never blinked at Jay's ability to do this. I respected it of course, but I was also privy to seeing it on a daily basis.
It's truly an amazing talent.
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Outstanding post
thanks fam.
You talking true uncut talent and massive work ethic.
unfortunately most only get the he don't write part and not the years of experience honing talent and skill.
Outstanding post
thanks fam.
You talking true uncut talent and massive work ethic.
unfortunately most only get the he don't write part and not the years of experience honing talent and skill.
Yessir and the latter is what counts. Dudes spend countless hours behind the scenes honing these skills its ridiculous. That's part of the reason today's music scene is disheartening for me.
Coming from an era where you know emcees put in serious work and have the skill to decimate what's currently "hot", yet get shelved for some candy coated, highly-marketable-to-white-America pop music.
*sigh*
But real recognize real, so as long as we know.
Exactly.
We used to have these very same debates back in the day when it came to productions as well.
My preferred weapon of choice to making tracks was always Fruity Loops. And mind you this was in the era where FL and laptop productions were just starting. (circa 98-2000)
I was doubted by many for using FL software from MPC and SP12 cats who traditionally made beats on the machines that our idols, Primo, Pete Rock, Diamond D, QDIII used to all use...
... until they heard my tracks.
Once the scrunch face and head nod commenced all that noise flew out the window.
People have a tendency to get caught up in the brand wars like Apple v Android, Final Cut v Adobe, Protools v Logic..
Even though it's a losing battle, I always try and tell the young kids today to focus on the message and the craft, moreso than what means you use to get there cause in the end, it's the final product that counts.
"But shorties runnin wild smokin cess drinkin beer...
Exactly. all of these cats are turrible. Jay changed his style because he was board - these dudes were so horrible they were no competition. I gave up on rap a long time ago. Some time before 2004. Other than Jay, and Luda, who have dropped some maybe's but not great albums since then the genre is DEAD.
What's hurt the game is subject matter, or the lack of it. They aren't singing about shit - I mean nothing. Everything done since just after 2000 is forgettable. I mean, what was hot this time last year, or the year after? Nicki Minaj is nice, but her subject matter and just visual hoe-ism is just - unnecessary. She has writing skills (I think she writes her own shit, that's what she claims in her raps, at least), but IMO she'd be better w/o Wayne and that whole crew.
Big and Nas our my favorite MC's. Unfortunately I do kind of credit Big for starting the trend that would compromise Hip Hop..and that isn't not writing down rhymes.
I think Big kind of started the beginning of the end with Puff,when they main hardcore Hip Hop mainstream. Biggie did the most to blur the line between the two circles when they had hardcore lyrics on radio friendly songs getting heavy spins. From then on, everybody copied this formula.
I think Big kind of started the beginning of the end with Puff,when they main hardcore Hip Hop mainstream. Biggie did the most to blur the line between the two circles when they had hardcore lyrics on radio friendly songs getting heavy spins. From then on, everybody copied this formula.
I'm sure it's been said in this thread, but if anybody thinks Jay Z does anything close to freestyling his shit, they are ignorant to facts. He just has the ability to go over that shit enough in his head to memorize it...which is a good party trick, but it's not like the shit just magically comes to him in a couple minutes and he spits. And he most likely has shit come to him throughout the day and pieces that shit together..some of that shit he could have thought of last month and then go in without a pad and producers and dick riders are all stunned and amazed. It just adds to his legend, so he lets them think that. really a lot of rappers do that shit.
I think that isn't a simple party trick
its damn impressive and shows his commitment to his craft and mental acuity.
these other dudes just going in and babbling shit that happens to rhyme thinking they writing some Shakespearean sh*t and they the next BIG or Hov.