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NBA Discussion: If Pippen had reached the FINALS OR WON a championship when Jordan retired in 93/94? UPDATE: NO BULL TOUR??

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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?id=5460194&columnist=isaacson_melissa

Pippen led the team in damn near every offensive category the defensive was actually BETTER under Pippen statistically he won the All Star Game and was just a BEAST...

Put that team on his back.

My question is this...

IF Scotty and the Bulls would have went to at FINALS...

WIN OR LOSE...

How would have that changed not only the Pippen Legacy put the Jordan legacy?

And consequently the entire NBA?

Would the Bulls have STILL been so eager to trade him to Phoenix?





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Just accomplishing what he did without Mike proves that he was waaaaaay better than what the media and sheeple give him credit for.
Not only him, but that team, under that coach, under that organization.
But yet somehow, it gets glossed over damn near like it never happened by the powerful media machine.

But... No matter who got to the Finals, with or without whomever, no one was beating that Rockets squad.​
 
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jordan won every nba finals mvp and it wasn't even close to thinking otherwise that anybody else deserved it more on his championship teams so jordan legacy wouldn't have been questioned... as far as pip if he goes to the finals and wins, it places him more than juss a sidekick..most people say the only reason he got top 50 regards cause he was jordan teammate samething with the olympics..he'd finally got a lil more respect.. either way he still a champ he's a hall of famer
 
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God Dammit said:
Just accomplishing what he did without Mike proves that he was waaaaaay better than what the media and sheeple give him credit for.
Not only him, but that team, under that coach, under that organization.
But yet somehow, it gets glossed over damn near like it never happened by the powerful media machine.

But... No matter who got to the Finals, with or without whoever, no one was beating that Rockets squad.​
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Now THAT is a good computer simulation...

would a prime MJ have beaten THAT Houston squad?
 
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BeatDownRecords said:
Further proof the Bulls was stacked
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BeatDownRecords said:
Further proof the Bulls was stacked
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stacked with a player who only averaged 20 points once while in his first 3 peat? stacked with no other player that could average 15 or more points??? stacked with some of the shittest centers on 1 team aka 21 ft of shit as they called them???... it's funny how nobody seems to remember the first 3 peat, maybe because most people here started watching bball after 96 intead of b4 it.. pippen only scored 20 points or more once during the first 3 peat, their 3rd option horace grant never scored 15 or more a game during their first 3 peat.. so that means jordan next 2 options literally only scored 31 points combined(less points than he averaged) for 2 out of the first 3 chips..jordan literally carried that team on his back when it came to scoring..hell go look at the pippen scoring struggles during some of their playoff runs to see my point.. with that said pip still was a great defender, distributor, and a great piece to help win 2 diff 3peats
 
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Lebron fans seem to always reach when it comes to Jordan.

You're comparing Ron Harper, to WHO on the Big 3's Lebron had?

1994-95 6.9ppg
1995-96 7.4ppg
1996-97 6.3ppg
1997-98 9.3ppg
1998-99 11.2ppg

So, once again, WHO IN THE FUCK are you niggas comparing Ron Harper to in Lebron' Big Three?

Rodman never averaged SIX POINTS while playing with Chicago during the regular season. He average a whopping seven points ONCE in the playoffs.

That is such a bad reach that Jordan MUST be the GOAT if this is the best Lebron Stan's could come up with.
 
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Spectrum said:
You know that wasn't the ECF? They lost in the semis. The only won 1 series.
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Yes true but they should have beat the knicks..refs cheated them and they would have played the pacers who were a 5th seed; so they would have had home court; it's all speculation but they would have had a good chance to go to finals; that being said they would have 4 peated with MJ for sure; i don't know why these comparison really come up because there is no comparison; in modern basketball it's MJ an everyone else....
 
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Yes true but they should have beat the knicks..refs cheated them and they would have played the pacers who were a 5th seed; so they would have had home court; it's all speculation but they would have had a good chance to go to finals; that being said they would have 4 peated with MJ for sure; i don't know why these comparison really come up because there is no comparison; in modern basketball it's MJ an everyone else....
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Jordan must have been caught up in some real dirty gambling shit to "walk away" like that.
 
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Lebron fans seem to always reach when it comes to Jordan.

You're comparing Ron Harper, to WHO on the Big 3's Lebron had?

1994-95 6.9ppg
1995-96 7.4ppg
1996-97 6.3ppg
1997-98 9.3ppg
1998-99 11.2ppg

So, once again, WHO IN THE FUCK are you niggas comparing Ron Harper to in Lebron' Big Three?

Rodman never averaged SIX POINTS while playing with Chicago during the regular season. He average a whopping seven points ONCE in the playoffs.

That is such a bad reach that Jordan MUST be the GOAT if this is the best Lebron Stan's could come up with.
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Using point totals to shit on MJs teammates is intellectually dishonest. Jordan jacked all the shots so its unfair to expect his teammates to average 20 a game. They contributed in other ways, usually out assisting, out rebounding, out 3 point shooting MJ.
 
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KingTaharqa, if you want to talk about black issues, we're good. We can debate the legitimacy of Tariq Nasheed and 'nem all day.

But, don't you EVER quote me in a Lebron's thread!

Nothing positive would come of it, and I simply refuse to start down that path with you.
 
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Excelsior said:
KingTaharqa, if you want to talk about black issues, we're good. We can debate the legitimacy of Tariq Nasheed and 'nem all day.

But, don't you EVER quote me in a Lebron's thread!

Nothing positive would come of it, and I simply refuse to start down that path with you.
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In 1994 Horace Grant (without MJ) had his best statistical season and was voted an all star. That offseason he was the most sought after free agent and signed a 6 year deal with Magic. Grant and the Magic beat the Bulls in the 95 playoffs.

Stop pretending MJ didnt have teammates.
 
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KingTaharqa said:
In 1994 Horace Grant (without MJ) had his best statistical season and was voted an all star. That offseason he was the most sought after free agent and signed a 6 year deal with Magic. Grant and the Magic beat the Bulls in the 95 playoffs.

Stop pretending MJ didnt have teammates.
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when people bring up the fact that lebron was surrounded by hall of famers, all-time leaders, 6th man award winners, 3 point leaders, superstars, and all stars ya always like to downplay his voltron ehhhh i mean help but ya broing up guys who couldn't score at least 15 points a game ever as a jordan teammate and act like he was legendary... chris bosh>>>>>>>>horace grant
 
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tallblacknyc said:
wade, bosh, kyrie, kevin love, ray allen, jr smith, shrumpet, shane battier juss to name a few..that squad itself prob could win a championship by themselves.. can't say the samething if you remove jordan from the equation
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But but but MJ played with paxon, Armstrong, grant, Wellington, pippen though:hmm:...1st 3 peat..did i miss someone who was an important part :hmm:
 
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stacked with a player who only averaged 20 points once while in his first 3 peat? stacked with no other player that could average 15 or more points??? stacked with some of the shittest centers on 1 team aka 21 ft of shit as they called them???... it's funny how nobody seems to remember the first 3 peat, maybe because most people here started watching bball after 96 intead of b4 it.. pippen only scored 20 points or more once during the first 3 peat, their 3rd option horace grant never scored 15 or more a game during their first 3 peat.. so that means jordan next 2 options literally only scored 31 points combined(less points than he averaged) for 2 out of the first 3 chips..jordan literally carried that team on his back when it came to scoring..hell go look at the pippen scoring struggles during some of their playoff runs to see my point.. with that said pip still was a great defender, distributor, and a great piece to help win 2 diff 3peats
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single dimension... look ok on MJ points but what were their assist #s?
also look at how many offensive and defensive boards the team had? low boards no wins
is Chitown winning 6 without Rodman? the centers sucked but in the paint D and boards Rodman was god like
but without Grant or Pippen - Jordan isn't getting by LA NY HTown Portland etc in 7 games
 
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Good question-- Jordan's legacy would be diminished in a major way because the value around him would be much more evident.

I suspect he'd have tried to find another team, also. Blue & orange, most likely.
 
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God Dammit said:
Just accomplishing what he did without Mike proves that he was waaaaaay better than what the media and sheeple give him credit for.
Not only him, but that team, under that coach, under that organization.
But yet somehow, it gets glossed over damn near like it never happened by the powerful media machine.

But... No matter who got to the Finals, with or without whoever, no one was beating that Rockets squad.​
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I disagree, if Jordan never retired the first time I believe the Bulls would have won 8 straight.
 

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