Netflix Discussion Thread: Iron Fist (New Trailer!)

Marvel on Netflix: What Went Wrong?
By Abraham Riesman@abrahamjoseph
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Not exactly the most ambitious crossover event in history. Photo: Sarah Shatz/Netflix

There was a brief, shining moment when it seemed like this whole Marvel–Netflix thing was gonna work out just fine. I can tell you exactly when that moment began: around 7 p.m. on October 11, 2015. Along with hundreds of others, I was crammed into the main auditorium at New York Comic Con, where a standing-room-only crowd had gathered to hear the latest about the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe on the world’s biggest streaming platform. The joint venture had already begun six months prior with the release of the somewhat-acclaimed first season of Daredevil, and the audience that night was amped up about the next outing, Jessica Jones. To our surprise, we were abruptly told that we’d be getting a surprise screening of that show’s very first episode. Squealing and cheering commenced. This was a crowd that expected great things.

And hoo boy, their expectations were met. That inaugural installment ofJessica Jones was a true humdinger. It was distinctive without being flashy, mature without being ponderous, ambitious without being self-satisfied, sexy without being exploitative, and just … good. I can’t tell you how much of a revelation a good superhero show was at that time. We were used to spandex outings that were inane, formulaic, and utterly uninterested in pushing a single envelope. But here was a tale that seemed like it was going to grapple with everything from PTSD to queerness and do it all with style. Showrunner Melissa Rosenberg and star Krysten Ritter genuinely seemed to be elevating the game. As soon as the screening was done, I rushed to the lobby to get reception and email my editor like an old-timey reporter clamoring for a pay phone just after getting a hot scoop. I have seen the future of superheroes, I thought, and it is Marvel Netflix.


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If it ever was the future, it is now the past. This week sees the barely ballyhooed release of the third and final season of Jessica Jones, which is itself the final season of Marvel’s four-year Netflix experiment. Its death has been agonizingly and humiliatingly gradual: Over the course of the past few months, each of the five ongoing series that made it up has been given the ax, one after another. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Punisher; their fans saw them all go the way of the dodo — without fanfare. It was all too clear that there wasn’t much advance warning for the creative teams, given that many of the shows ended without resolution. Even though Marvel Television’s corporate overlord, Disney, is launching its own streaming platform, the superhero programming there will be run by the movie folks at Marvel Studios, who don’t particularly get along with the TV crew, so it seems unlikely that any resurrections will be in the cards. The loose ends will probably forever dangle in the wind, reminding diehards to never love anything too much.

So, what the hell happened? As far as I can see, the enterprise was doomed by three factors, two of them creative and one of them entirely corporate.

For one thing, all the shows suffered from an acute case of Netflix bloat. With the exception of the one-off crossover series, The Defenders, and the second season of the widely derided Iron Fist, every season was 13 episodes, with each episode clocking in at about an hour. There was simply no good reason for these stories to run 13-odd hours each. And they were, for the most part, single stories of that length; the shows tended to eschew the idea of self-contained episodes, even in the case of Jessica Jones, where individual private-investigation cases would have been a natural fit to fill out the world and liven up the pace. There were B- and C-plots, but they, too, were stretched out to unreasonable lengths. This is, of course, not a problem unique to Marvel shows, as Netflix and other streamers tend to believe that a drama is only worthwhile if it feels interminable.

But it was especially irritating in the case of the Marvel–Netflix shows, because a viewer was likely comparing them, consciously or not, to other superhero offerings. Superhero movies, though often longer than they should be, have runtimes between two and three hours — more than enough of a span to tell an epic saga of good, evil, duty, and all the other familiar tropes. More important, these stories are all adapted from comic books, which have long been oriented toward brief, dense, punchy individual issues of about 22 pages each, typically ending on some kind of cliffhanger. The sloggy Netflix approach just didn’t sit well with the expectations we have for the genre and our attendant desire for super-heroic action and Manichean suspense. The creators and diehards may argue that these weren’t just superhero shows — they were inspired by neo-noir (Jessica Jones) or blaxploitation (Luke Cage) or kung-fu (Iron Fist) and so on — but come on, these were all stories based on the expectation of climactic action between the forces of light and darkness. Yet, over and over again, we had to see that gratification delayed beyond reason. You were never going to hold eyeballs very long with that kind of lukewarm storytelling.

If the shows struggled with format, so too did they suffer over formula. Quite simply, they rarely did anything audacious or iconoclastic. Sure, there were little exceptions, like the daring explorations of rape and trauma in the first season of Jessica Jones, the occasional interrogation of police violence and black respectability politics in Luke Cage (it’s still amazing that a Marvel property had liberal use of the N-word in it), and the criticism of the War on Terror in the first season of The Punisher. But even in those cases, the general emphasis was more often on boilerplate superhero-fiction tropes like the need for friendship, the question of whether killing is ever okay, and the insistence that one should never give up in the face of even the most impossible odds. We live in an era when we are saturated with such themes thanks to the preponderance of cape-and-cowl mishegoss on the big and small screens, so we were never given a great reason to especially care about these slight variations. To make matters worse, even though these stories were ostensibly set in the same New York City as the one we see in the MCU movies, we never got to spice things up with appearances from any of the film characters — or, conversely, to see the Netflix characters register any importance by appearing in the films. In a word: snore.

Nevertheless, the shows experienced a modicum of success (some more than others; Iron Fist always seemed DOA) and generated enough enthusiasm to justify multiple seasons. Daredevil fan-fiction exploded, critics swore up and down that The Punisher was pretty good, and you’ll be seeing Jessica Jones cosplayers at conventions for many years to come. And yet, perhaps these victories added up to the most fatal factor of them all: The shows became something of a victim of their own success. When the Marvel–Netflix collaboration was announced in November 2013, it was something of a revolutionary idea. The skyrocketing MCU brand had begun its forays into short-form serialization with ABC’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that September, and Netflix had only just emerged on the scene with its first original series, House of Cards, nine months prior. The notion of these two newly successful firms joining forces was a bold step: Netflix could show off its original-content chops by hitching its wagon to the hottest brand at the box office, while Marvel could demonstrate that it was ready to take a leap into the still-fresh waters of streaming entertainment.

Trouble is, once both of them had won, they no longer needed each other. Netflix has, in just six short years, become one of the primary destinations for serialized original content in the known universe. Disney has seen its Marvel brand become a license to print money. But the ever-wily Disney suits realized they had enough cachet to pull off their own entrant into the streaming game, the soon-to-launch Disney+. Marvel’s Netflix shows had proven that streaming super-people could work as a concept, but why should the House of Mouse tolerate sharing the gains of their IP with a rival streamer? What’s more, Netflix has so much content that they don’t need a boost from anyone else’s brand anymore — and they similarly don’t have any desire to lend a hand to a corporation that’s about to become its biggest rival (a fact made all the more apparent by Disney’s recent decision to take a controlling stake in Hulu). Marvel Netflix was consigned to being the abandoned child from a marriage that fell apart. Future generations may find the very phrase “Marvel Netflix” to be an oxymoron, after the streaming wars really heat up.

Which brings us to Disney’s challenge in its post-Netflix reality. Within a few months, we’ll likely be seeing the inaugural MCU shows of Disney+, such as the untitled Loki solo series, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and the questionably titled WandaVision. (You’ll note that all of those shows star major characters from the film arm of the MCU. That’s because Marvel Studios will be managing all of the Marvel content streaming on Disney+.) Right now, it seems like a done deal that these series will attract subscribers, but it’s worth noting that Disney+ should learn from the collapse of Marvel’s Netflix project. The format has to lend itself to thrills, chills, and density. In a world of streaming-content saturation, even Marvel has to worry about losing people’s attention while they sit on the couch. (To be fair, they seem to be moving in the right direction when they do things like make these series attenuated in length or placed in unlikely settings.) In other words, formula has to take a back seat to innovation. If you can get the same ideas by firing up old MCU movies for a rewatch at the click of a button, why bother with inferior, lower-budget shows, especially if they don’t end up being consequential for the movies and vice versa?

But most importantly, the powers that be should remember that the tectonic plates are still shifting beneath their feet. After all, there was a time, not so long ago, when Marvel Netflix was the most bleeding-edge idea in the game. How quickly the heroes of tomorrow become yesterday’s news.
 
Finn Jones on the Complicated Love Triangles of 'Dickinson' and Why 'Iron Fist' Getting Canceled Was Like "A Death"
BY CHRISTINA RADISHPUBLISHED FEB 25, 2021
"With 'Iron Fist,' it was like we just got to the peak. We were just getting there. We’d just turned the show around."


From show creator Alena Smith, the Apple TV+ original series Dickinson follows Emily Dickinson (Hailee Steinfeld) on her road to being a published poet and the promise of fame that will follow. When Sam Bowles (Finn Jones), the ambitious editor of The Springfield Republican, does his best to convince her to take her work a step beyond letting just Sue Gilbert (Ella Hunt), her brother’s wife who she also happens to be in love with, read her poems, it tests Emily in ways that she never could have imagined.

[Editor's note: The following contains spoilers for Dickinson, Season 2, Episode 9, "I Like a Look of Agony."]

During a virtual press day, Collider got the opportunity to chat 1-on-1 with Finn Jones about the unique way Dickinson bridges the gap of historical fact and contemporary fiction, what he found most interesting about this character, getting all of the scripts for the season from the beginning, finding himself in a love triangle, the effects of fame, and whether Sam Bowles really has Emily Dickinson’s best interests at heart. He also talked about how unfortunate it was that Iron Fist never got to reach its full potential, and what a potential Season 3 would have been.



Collider: When the opportunity to be in the second season of this came your way, were you familiar with the show? Did you know about the unique take it had on the history of it all?

FINN JONES: When I took the job, Apple TV hadn’t launched yet, so the show hadn’t aired either. I was really going in blind, and I wasn’t really sure what the show was going to be like or how this contemporary historical fusion was going to play out. The moment I got on set and I realized the amount of resources, both creatively and financially, would be important to the show, I was like, “Okay, this is cool.” Alena [Smith] is so fantastic at bridging the gap of historical fact and contemporary fiction, and she does it in a way which is so tasteful and so genuinely cool. And then, Apple is just there to support [us] with deep pockets and a lot of time and a real eye for taste. It was a great combination.

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What did you immediately find interesting and intriguing about this character? Did you have initial questions about him? Did you look into who he really was?

JONES: Yeah, I did a lot of research into the historical figure and, to be honest, a lot of the research out there is pretty boring. There’s not much about his character. It’s more just about his successes. So, for me, I was interested in how I could bridge the historical character with someone in contemporary times. The fact that he was the editor of this newspaper, which at the time, was this new technology in society, I drew comparisons between him and someone like Jack Dorsey, who is the owner of Twitter. That was really interesting, comparing him to this tech tyrant, if you will. I was also really interested in how, as an audience member, you’re never really sure where his intentions lie. Is he this very charming, magnetic champion of female creativity, or is he just this tech tyrant who wants to build his own empire and gratify his own needs. It’s awesome how the show flirts between the two. I almost see him as a snake, weaving in between both roles.

How much of your character’s arc for the season was sketched out for you in advance? Did you have a good idea of what his whole journey was going to be?

JONES: Yeah, I was given all of the episodes on day one. I was fully aware of where the character was going and that was really helpful. I think it’s really important to understand who the character is, at the beginning, so you’re able to play all of the depths, throughout the season.

This is a character who unknowingly finds himself in the middle a love triangle between Emily and Sue. What was that like for you to play with, especially now seeing how much fans love that relationship and being the one in between the two of them?

JONES: I know, I had no idea. That’s been the most interesting thing. I didn’t realize, because the show hadn’t aired yet, how much people love Emily and Sue, and me getting in the middle of that — I just love how much the character is hated. It gives me so much joy to see that I’m fulfilling that role. That’s really cool. But then, in terms of getting my head into the character’s emotional space, it’s just very complex. He has a wife at home. He really believes in Emily, as an artist, but he also has these very selfish desires to build his own empire. And then, he has these sexual urges with Sue. He’s probably going around the whole country doing this to multiple women. There’s a lot to unpack. I didn’t want him just to be this pantomime villain or bad guy. I wanted there to be depth there. Luckily, Alena writes so beautifully that there was the ability to have that depth with the character.

This season is such an interesting look and study of fame and the effect that can have on people. Did an exploration of fame in the time period of Dickinson make you look at fame today any differently than you did before doing this?

JONES: I found it really interesting. Alena writes this so wonderfully and Hailee [Steinfeld] performs it. As an artist, how do you keep your creative and personal integrity, when you’re faced with fame? That’s something that I’ve dealt with, in my own life, and I think the show deals with that really wonderfully. How do you keep famous in your life and not run away with it? And how do you also keep your own integrity, at the same time? I think it’s a really interesting conversation to be had.

Do you feel like Samuel Bowles has Emily Dickinson’s best interests at heart? Does it start that way and then becomes something more, once he gets more ambitious?

JONES: That’s an interesting point. It’s really complex. Ultimately, he is someone that does care about female creativity and shining a light on those voices, but he is also the head of a media conglomerate and his ultimate goal, as an individual, is to grow and expand his empire, by whatever means. It’s trendy and cool to take up social causes, especially right now, but back then, it was like, “Hey, look, I’ve got a female writer!” When it comes down to it and he really reveals the ugliness of his nature, he doesn’t care about Emily. All he cares about is expanding his empire, at whatever cost. Unfortunately, I think that’s who he is. He’s a tycoon and a tyrant, and he cares about profit. I think he’s probably doing the same thing to multiple women and multiple artists, around the country.

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Sam tells Emily that she’s interesting to him and that he’s interested in her. Is it really that simple for him?

JONES: That’s where it gets very complex. Move fast and break things is his motto, and also the motto of Mark Zuckerberg, and we all see how that’s ending up. He’s hungry to expand his empire and expand his standing in the world, to attain power. Also, he sees Emily and he is very interested in her. She’s someone that is clearly incredibly talented, and he is very attracted to her talent and her intellect. He’s very motivated by and attracted to that. But ultimately, he is a man hungry for empire and power, and that’s what he’s driven by.

You really wonder if he’s manipulating things or if he’s being genuine, or if it’s both?

JONES: It’s both. That’s the amazing thing and the true thing about us, as human beings. We’re never one thing or the other. There’s always light and dark. There’s always a mixture of things going on within us. I love that Alena created a character that allows for that. He isn’t just this archetypal bad man in a feminist show. There is a lot of room for growth and understanding and misunderstanding. It was a lot of fun to play around in that space.

What was it like to say goodbye to this character and leave this show — these elaborate sets and the costumes — behind.

JONES: I had so much fun working on the show because I loved the character. I love the fact that the character was so questionable and so lascivious. I like playing someone who’s shady. It’s fun to get into that role. But also, working on the show with Alena and Hailee and Ella [Hunt], and all of the creative team and the directors, they really knew what they were doing. They were extremely professional, extremely talented and welcoming and friendly. And, um, it was really wonderful to be a part of that world and that family. It was sad to leave. I made lots of there. I just wish I could have continued creating with those guys.

The last time that we spoke was for Season 2 of Iron Fist and you had given me a few hints about where Season 3 could go next. What had you actually heard about the storyline for Season 3? Was there anything concrete that you actually were told and were really looking forward to?

JONES: So, me and Raven [Metzner], who was the showrunner for the second season, were sure that there was going to be a Season 3, so we had already devised the whole thing, and I was so excited to get into that. It really was going to be about Danny finally assuming the role of the Iron Fist, fully accomplished, fully charged up and fully in control of his shit, as well. It was going to be this amazing story Danny and Ward, off in foreign lands, as a buddy storyline almost. And then, you had Colleen in New York, isolated with this new power, struggling to come to terms with her identity and with this power. And then, at some point, we would have met again and probably formed this crazy power couple superhero relationship. Really, Season 3 just had so much promise and it’s a shame to see it squandered and never get to reach its full potential.

Now I’m sad all over again.
JONES: I know, right? It’s terrible.

As an actor, how hard was it to play a character on a show for two seasons and have all of that potential there, and then not really have any closure when the series abruptly ends?

JONES: It’s horrible. It’s like the death of a friend or a close family member. You’ve spent years building this other world within yourself and sharing this other person with the whole world. Usually, with films or plays, you get to see that arc through. There’s a journey. But with Iron Fist, it was like we just got to the peak. We were just getting there. We’d just turned the show around. We had just done so much great work, really getting the train back on the tracks. And then, within three weeks of it being released, all of [the Marvel Netflix shows] were wiped out. It was sad. It was stunted. It felt like the losing a dear friend. It’s just a shame. There’s not much else I can say.

 
Fuck Finn with his stupid ass! Thanks for fucking up a great character with an awesome backstory. Also fuck the director, writer and especially fuck the choreographer! That wasn’t Iron Fist! A whiny no disciplined asshole? Ok.
 
Iron Fist could of been done way better but wish we could get all the other series back.

Disney might be acquiring the Netflix series in due time.

Netflix is sitting on them and nobody is watching them. They don't even show up on the recommendations list regardless of what you watch.

They are basically just sitting there taking up bandwidth.

Disney takes full control of Hulu sometime in 2023 after Hulu's existing contracts with other studios expire. Word is going around they might make Hulu the adult version of Disney+.

Take can't merge that service with Disney+ with show/movies like Deadpool, Sons of Anarchy, Justified and The Handmaids Tale.

If they make Hulu the adult version, then those Netflix shows can come back.

They all already hinting it with the Netflix actor who played DareDevil having a cameo in the new SpiderMan movie.
 
People keep blaming Finn Jones but ignore that Marvel hired the guy that did Inhumans as the showrunner. Marvel can try saying the right things they want but it was them that hired a guy that had no clue what to do with Inhumans and the first season of Iron Fist.

Notice,how season two was light years better than the first season. That's because Scott Buck wasn't the showrunner for season two.
 
People keep blaming Finn Jones but ignore that Marvel hired the guy that did Inhumans as the showrunner. Marvel can try saying the right things they want but it was them that hired a guy that had no clue what to do with Inhumans and the first season of Iron Fist.

Notice,how season two was light years better than the first season. That's because Scott Buck wasn't the showrunner for season two.

Fuck Finn with his stupid ass! Thanks for fucking up a great character with an awesome backstory. Also fuck the director, writer and especially fuck the choreographer! That wasn’t Iron Fist! A whiny no disciplined asshole? Ok.

Was the issue Marvel or Marvel TV (which was as a separate part of the company, run by Jeff Loeb and had nothing to do with 95% of the tv shows until WandaVision).
All the pre Diseny + shows were destined to fail longterm cause Marvel didnt give a fuck about them, they were barely connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe & you didnt have the ppl/bugdet/resources of the MCU.

its a shame cause some of those shows & casting was good to great but will get lost overtime unless Hulu becomes their new home
 
Was the issue Marvel or Marvel TV (which was as a separate part of the company, run by Jeff Loeb and had nothing to do with 95% of the tv shows until WandaVision).
All the pre Diseny + shows were destined to fail longterm cause Marvel didnt give a fuck about them, they were barely connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe & you didnt have the ppl/bugdet/resources of the MCU.

its a shame cause some of those shows & casting was good to great but will get lost overtime unless Hulu becomes their new home
Marvel TV
 
Was the issue Marvel or Marvel TV (which was as a separate part of the company, run by Jeff Loeb and had nothing to do with 95% of the tv shows until WandaVision).
All the pre Diseny + shows were destined to fail longterm cause Marvel didnt give a fuck about them, they were barely connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe & you didnt have the ppl/bugdet/resources of the MCU.

its a shame cause some of those shows & casting was good to great but will get lost overtime unless Hulu becomes their new home

Yeap Marvel = Marvel Stuidos = MCU

They are Soft Rebooting those characters and recasting some...

Rumor has it they will eventually add a Mature/Adult Profile for Disney+.... Including Hulu access...

Basic Apps for $7 separate.

Or a 2 Bundle for Disney+ Hulu bundle for about $14 a month (No Ads) similar to Netflix

Or The 3 in 1 service (No-Ads) Bundle for $20...
 



'Iron Fist' Season 3 Plot Revealed by Finn Jones in a Candid Interview
BY ALLIE GEMMILLPUBLISHED FEB 10, 2021

The 'Iron Fist' star reflects on his canceled Marvel Netflix show.

It's been a little over two years since the Marvel television show Iron Fist, starring Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick, was canceled at Netflix. Iron Fist was the first of the Marvel Netflix slate to get cut, with the streamer slowly shuttering every show on the list (Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage, and The Defenders) swiftly thereafter. Iron Fist's cancelation was a blow; it had been running for two seasons and, despite mixed critical reception, had earned a strong fanbase. Iron Fist's shuttering in October 2018 meant that fans would never get to see what stories were in the works for Danny Rand (Jones), Colleen Wing (Henwick), Ward Meachum (Tom Pelphrey), and the of the Iron Fist cast.

Collider's own Christina Radish recently had the opportunity to speak to Jones about his role in Season 2 of the Apple TV+ historical dramedy Dickinson, which stars Hailee Steinfeld as Emily Dickinson. During that conversation, we wanted to ask Jones about Iron Fist Season 3 and see if he had any idea what that third season's plot would be. Jones gamely answered and went so far as to share specific arcs for Danny, Colleen, and Ward that could have happened.

"Raven [Metzner], who was the showrunner for the second season, and I were sure that there was gonna be a Season 3, so we had already devised the whole thing. I was so excited to get into that. It really was gonna be about Danny finally assuming the role of the Iron Fist, fully accomplished, fully charged up, and fully in control of his shit, as well. It was gonna be this amazing story [with] Danny and Ward off in foreign lands as a buddy storyline almost. And then, you had Colleen in New York, isolated with this new power, struggling to come to terms with her identity and with this power. At some point, we would have met again and probably formed this crazy power couple [or] superhero relationship."
Jones continued, "Really, Season 3 just had so much promise and it's a shame to see it squandered and never get to reach its full potential."

Image via Netflix
All of that potential plot getting scrapped due to a cancelation is a sad shock to the system. In light of this, we asked Jones how it felt to be forced to leave a series where he had spent two seasons developing a character, and, furthermore, leave the showing knowing what the show's plot could have evolved into. How does Jones feel not having proper closure on Iron Fist?

"It’s horrible. It’s like the death of a friend or a close family member. You've spent years building this other world within yourself and sharing this other person with the whole world. Usually, with films or plays, you get to see that arc through. There’s a journey. But with 'Iron Fist', it was like we just got to the peak. We were just getting there. We’d just turned the show around. We had just done so much great work, really getting the train back on the tracks."
Jones went on to conclude, "And then, within three weeks of it being released, all of [the Marvel Netflix shows] were wiped out. It was sad. It was stunted. It felt like losing a dear friend. It’s just a shame. There’s not much else I can say."

Our complete interview with Finn Jones is coming soon. You can revisit Iron Fist by binging Seasons 1 and 2 on Netflix now. You can also check on Jones on Dickinson Season 2, now on Apple TV+. For more, find out what upcoming Marvel TV shows will be streaming on Disney+.
 
Marvel Reportedly Wants To Kill Off Iron Fist In The MCU
Scott Campbell
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Marvel Cinematic Universe fans would experience emotions ranging from pure joy to unbridled excitement were Kevin Feige to confirm that Charlie Cox’s Daredevil, Vincent D’Onofrio’s Kingpin, Jon Bernthal’s Punisher, Krysten Ritter’s Jessica Jones or Mike Colter’s Luke Cage were on their way back to official canon, and all of the aforementioned names have been rumored to be doing just that more than once. Sadly, the same enthusiasm probably wouldn’t extend towards Finn Jones’ Iron Fist.

The actor headlined what’s generally regarded as the weakest show in the Netflix lineup, and his performance often left a great deal to be desired. The rights to all of the Defenders have now lapsed back into the hands of Marvel Studios, but it wouldn’t be unfair to say that nobody’s going to shed a tear over Danny Rand being recast.
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However, insider Daniel Richtman claims that the studio want to bring back the former Game of Thrones star as Iron Fist, only to kill him off and replace him with someone better, presumably via the multiverse. That’s about the extent of the details made available, which obviously invites questions as to what exactly the point would be in shelling out the money required to hire Jones, simply to humiliate him and send him packing in one fell swoop.

It’s a lot cheaper and easier, not to mention a whole lot more straightforward from a narrative and mythological perspective, for the MCU to simply hire someone else to play Iron Fist and pretend as though the Netflix version never existed when rebooting him as part of the main continuity. Even if Richtman’s information does pan out, who’s to say Jones wouldn’t say no to such an ignominiously brief comeback?


 
Was the issue Marvel or Marvel TV (which was as a separate part of the company, run by Jeff Loeb and had nothing to do with 95% of the tv shows until WandaVision).
All the pre Diseny + shows were destined to fail longterm cause Marvel didnt give a fuck about them, they were barely connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe & you didnt have the ppl/bugdet/resources of the MCU.

its a shame cause some of those shows & casting was good to great but will get lost overtime unless Hulu becomes their new home


Marvel TV,more specifically Issac Perlmutter. He was extremely toxic at Marvel TV. It was so bad Fiege wanted to leave Marvel Studios because Perlmutter wouldn't let Fiege do what he wanted...That's when Disney stepped in and reorganized before Phase Two ended.

Put it this way,if Fiege didn't agree to do Inhumans,Black Panther wouldn't have been made.Perlmutter still there at Marvel but Fiege has direct access to Disney executives and make the decisions for the MCU.
 
Put it this way,if Fiege didn't agree to do Inhumans,Black Panther wouldn't have been made.Perlmutter still there at Marvel but Fiege has direct access to Disney executives and make the decisions for the MCU.
After Age of Ultron there are 2 seperate companies:
Marvel Entertainment - run by Perlmutter
Marvel Studios - run by Fiege

In 2020 Disney promoted Feige to run everything Marvel- so now most of Marvel Entertainment is gone, Jeph Loeb fired
 



He said basic shit in the interview. What he should have said was it was going to go through the background of the Iron Fist. How I acquired these pistols of Orson Welles and the 7 Capital cities of Heaven tournament. Think these yo-yos was making shit up in the fly. And why not do his origin of how he took the Iron Fist from Shou-Lao The Undying? Or his training under Lei Kung, the Thunderer? Ok
 
Comparing Disney/Marvel budget to Netflix budget for fight sequences is kinda fcuked up.

it was about execution and not expense

they popularized the unedited gauntlet scene every season

its not about money

Netflix PAID Marvel to produce those shows through HUGE licensing fees.

It was a Marvel budget.

40 Million a season.

you KNOW how much money Netflix got right?
 
it was about execution and not expense

they popularized the unedited gauntlet scene every season

its not about money

Netflix PAID Marvel to produce those shows through HUGE licensing fees.

It was a Marvel budget.

40 Million a season.

you KNOW how much money Netflix got right?

NOPE!!! I thought the Iron Fist series was done well enough for what was at its disposal.

You make it seems like it was a; 'take the money and run' though.
 
NOPE!!! I thought the Iron Fist series was done well enough for what was at its disposal.

You make it seems like it was a; 'take the money and run' though.

I disagree

I don't think especially with the Marvel properties and where Marvel was at THAT point

Netflix were spending 40 million a season on disposable (about 300 million total on DISPOSABLE)
 
Comparing Disney/Marvel budget to Netflix budget for fight sequences is kinda fcuked up.
yeah but iron fist fight scenes wasn't as good as daredevil fight scenes.and that was a issue with a show wheree iron fist is suppose extremely skilled in martial arts.
 
yeah but iron fist fight scenes wasn't as good as daredevil fight scenes.and that was a issue with a show wheree iron fist is suppose extremely skilled in martial arts.

AS I WAS TYPING THAT REPLY!!!! I thought to myself and said; 'Well that stair fight scene and hallway scene blows your argument out of the water so MAYBE you shouldn't post this!!!' But I thought I could get away with this bullshyt Hot Take!!! @playahaitian always on point to set a brother straight, as well as the rest of BGOL always keeping me humble!
 
AS I WAS TYPING THAT REPLY!!!! I thought to myself and said; 'Well that stair fight scene and hallway scene blows your argument out of the water so MAYBE you shouldn't post this!!!' But I thought I could get away with this bullshyt Hot Take!!! @playahaitian always on point to set a brother straight, as well as the rest of BGOL always keeping me humble!

My brother steel sharpen steel

You keeping us all on our toes.
 
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