Obama To Nominate Merrick Garland To The Supreme Court

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Damn Nigga..... they don't like you...but yet you keep trying to appease them.... If I were them I'd fuck over ya dumb ass too.... smh. Negro could nominate Jesup and they would find a way to oppose him. Not that Jesus wouldn't be qualified but a nomination from a Negro. ...
 

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http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/16/prediction-garland-will-be-confirmed-eventually/

Prediction: Garland will be confirmed — eventually


Crafty of O to wait until the morning after Trump’s backbreaking wins last night to stick McConnell with this. Now Senate Republicans will face maximum pressure from both sides.

If they cave and decide to give Garland a hearing after all, Republican voters who are still cool to Trump might decide to vote for him in a burst of “burn it all down” rage. A betrayal here hands Trump the nomination — assuming there’s any doubt that he’s already on track to win it. If, on the other hand, McConnell stands firm, he’s blowing an opportunity to confirm a nominee who’s likely to be more “moderate” than what President Hillary will offer next year. The conventional wisdom on Trump right now is that he’s a dead duck in the general election barring some sort of national crisis. I don’t agree with it, but it’s not out of left field: His favorable rating, for instance, is toxic and it’s an open question whether he could organize a national campaign capable of matching Hillary’s. If McConnell agrees with that CW, that Hillary’s a prohibitive favorite to win and that the backlash to Trump will hand Democrats the Senate, then refusing to confirm Garland now clears the path for Democrats to nominate and confirm a young hyper-liberal justice next year. Garland is already in his 60s and is no far-lefty; if Hillary wins big, liberals will insist that she exploit her mandate by engineering a new Warren Court. (Garland, ironically, clerked for the most liberal member of the Warren Court but he hasn’t followed the same trajectory as a judge.) So what do you do if you’re Mitch the Knife? Accept a quarter-loaf here by confirming a guy whose centrist credentials will be used to show just how unreasonable and obstructionist the GOP is in blocking him? Or risk having no loaf at all when Democrats win this fall and ram through whoever they want?

Another possibility: What if Trump wins the presidency but Democrats reclaim the Senate? Normally that would seem like an improbable outcome, but Trump could theoretically get enough Democrats and independents to cross over for him that he ends up beating Hillary even as those same Dems and indies hand a Senate majority to Chuck Schumer. In that case, even if Trump’s inclined to nominate a solid conservative, the nominee’s apt to get Borked. Trump may have no choice but to float a center-right justice, someone not wildly more conservative than Garland himself. And this assumes Trump’s true to his word that he’d aim for right-wing nominees for the Court. It may be that he wins the election and governs essentially as an independent, a la Mike Bloomberg in New York. How much better would his nominee be than Garland in that case, especially with Schumer exercising veto power?

This is why, contra my esteemed colleague, I think Garland will be confirmed. The question is when. At a minimum, McConnell won’t move on it until Trump’s nomination is assured; like I said up top, there’s too much risk of a voter backlash in the primaries to do it before then. He could move on it this summer, after Trump has clinched. Republican voters would still be outraged, but at that point the GOP establishment will quietly be working hand in glove with Trump to get him elected. If angry GOPers decide to “punish” McConnell by going to the polls for Trump in November, so much the better for the party. (It may even convince some #NeverTrumpers to give Trump, the supposed scourge of Washington Republicans, a second look.) The big wrinkle, obviously, is that angry Republican voters will also punish any GOP senator who’s up for reelection if they support McConnell’s plan to confirm Garland. But that’s no huge obstacle to confirmation: With 46 Democrats prepared to vote yes, McConnell would need just 14 Republicans to break a filibuster. Between blue-staters like Mark Kirk and stalwart centrists like Lindsey Graham, he should be able to find the votes. And if the whole thing proves simply too hot to handle before the election, there’s always the option of confirming Garland during the lame-duck session — although that could lead to some interesting strategizing too. Ahem:



Another version of that scenario circulating on social media this morning is that Obama will yank Garland’s nomination this fall if Hillary wins, precisely in order to deny Republicans the chance to confirm him. I don’t buy it. Unless Garland is a very, very loyal party soldier who agreed to be little more than a political pawn for Democrats in this battle, he expects to be given every opportunity at confirmation. The lame-duck session would be his best opportunity. I assume he’s sought Obama’s assurance that his nomination won’t be withdrawn for any petty political reason; that’s the least O can do for him in return for Garland accepting a nomination that’s more likely to end in failure than most would-be SCOTUS appointments. Democratscould filibuster him, although that’d be a bizarre ending to the coming seven months of “CONFIRM GARLAND NOW” propaganda from the White House and its congressional allies. (McConnell would need only six Democratic votes to break a filibuster, assuming all 54 Republicans vote to confirm.) Frankly, I’m not convinced that President Hillary wouldn’t feel obliged to re-nominate Garland if the GOP really did succeed in bottling him up all the way to January. Even as a center-lefty, he’d tilt the Court to a solid liberal majority and there are enough aging justices that she’d likely have a second opportunity soon to go full metal liberal with a nomination.

Bottom line: This guy’s going to replace Scalia, sooner or later.

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you really believe that ?


and Tom Coughlin really retired :rolleyes:

Conflating two different issues as always. She knew she stood no chance of being approved. She didn't want to be nominated in this environment. It would have done nothing for her.
 

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Conflating two different issues as always. She knew she stood no chance of being approved. She didn't want to be nominated in this environment. It would have done nothing for her.

She was never officially announced as a candidate but questions had been raised why he didn't pick her instead of the Sotomayer.

besides that she was just confirmed months ago so to say she stood no chance is bullshit excuse making.

and it isn't conflated..... Coughlin said he resigned for appearances and Lynch said she was withdrawing for appearances too ..

nobody on this board has supported Obama more than me but some of you cats always trying to make soft moves some master chess move.

Dude was talking about nominating a republican ....SMDH
 

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He's not trying to appease anyone. He's trying to replace a right wing conservative with a moderate and the only way he can do that is with someone that will get confirmed.

He can spend the next six months putting up nominees he know won't get confirmed just to piss off the republicans or he could put up someone who will recalibrate the balance of the court right now.

The next president will have the opportunity to appoint one or very possibly two more justices and sway the court one way or the other for the next generation.

This appointment is too important.
 

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She was never officially announced as a candidate but questions had been raised why he didn't pick her instead of the Sotomayer.

Come on, son. All the potential nominees were floated for a response. She had no chance. And she didn't want to be used as a pawn to throw the GOP into a fit.

Coughlin said he resigned for appearances and Lynch said she was withdrawing for appearances
too ..

Conflating is comparing two separate issues that don't really related. Coughlin being pushed out after a decade plus on the job doesn't even remotely compare to one potential nominee saying she didn't want the nomination considering this historically hostile environment and considering she stood no chance. Try again.

nobody on this board has supported Obama more than me

I don't give a fuck.


but some of you cats always trying to make soft moves some master chess move.

Dude was talking about nominating a republican ....SMDH

You're the only muthafucka mentioning chess moves.
 

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What makes you think Hillary would nominate somebody more to the left ?

Certainly couldn't be her record or her opinions.

I don't know. There is no telling what Hil would do. Her history shows she willing to do and say anything. So it's only a possibility.
 

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He's not trying to appease anyone. He's trying to replace a right wing conservative with a moderate and the only way he can do that is with someone that will get confirmed.

He can spend the next six months putting up nominees he know won't get confirmed just to piss off the republicans or he could put up someone who will recalibrate the balance of the court right now.

The next president will have the opportunity to appoint one or very possibly two more justices and sway the court one way or the other for the next generation.

This appointment is too important.

This man gets it.

Get him on. If a Dem win the presidency, you 'll end up with the far right justice being replaced by moderate while beefing up liberal-leaners during the next presidency. Would shift the S.C. for decades. Obama will have placed 3 judges (two liberals and a moderate). If the Dems win in 2016, the shift becomes monumental. And moderates tend to shift more liberal over years.
 

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He has served on the appellate level since 1997, when he was nominated by President Bill Clinton and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. Two years prior, he had also been nominated to the court but his nomination was stalled by Senate Republicans. Throughout his two decades on the Circuit Court, which is often viewed as a stepping stone for U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Garland has widely been viewed as a centrist. But on matters of criminal law, the judge has been more center-right. He was found to “rarely [vote] in favor of criminal defendants’ appeals of their convictions” by aSCOTUSblog analysis of his record in 2010, and he joined an opinion that said Guantanamo Bay detainees cannot seek relief in civilian courts in 2003. His history on other areas of law, including environmental law, open government, and civil rights has also varied.


This man gets it.

Get him on. If a Dem win the presidency, you 'll end up with the far right justice being replaced by moderate while beefing up liberal-leaners during the next presidency. Would shift the S.C. for decades. Obama will have placed 3 judges (two liberals and a moderate). If the Dems win in 2016, the shift becomes monumental. And moderates tend to shift more liberal over years.

Maybe you should read about him before you come to the conclusion he is something good
 

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Sen. Mitch McConnell - "Senate's constitutional right is to act as check on President, withhold consent."

i see this cac is being a bitch ass already.

Nothing less can be expected from a face that looks like a spooked turtle
 

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I don't know. There is no telling what Hil would do. Her history shows she willing to do and say anything. So it's only a possibility.

My feelings as well ..Though you might have had some insight...:lol:


I'd be willing to bet she will nominate an old white feminist woman
 

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Maybe you should read about him before you come to the conclusion he is something good

You're trying too hard. This is the guy the far right hates because of his liberal positions on gun rights (amongst others things). Of course you can find a far right position. That's why he's a fucking moderate. Sometimes he leans right...sometimes left. Act like you just didn't start this yesterday. Sit your ass down. You're the one who likely just starting reading about him today :lol:
 

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I'm sorry this some bullshit

It's like his entire presidency has been an attempt to appease dumb ass repugs
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I use to think that but he's trying to destroy their party..he does things to make them look like fools and this is the latest example..dems can run on this pic hell might be able to take back house.m they should win senate easily..dude is smart
 

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You're trying too hard. This is the guy the far right hates because of his liberal positions on gun rights (amongst others things). Of course you can find a far right position. That's why he's a fucking moderate. Sometimes he leans right...sometimes left. Act like you just didn't start this yesterday. Sit your ass down. You're the one who likely just starting reading about him today :lol:

I am more concerned with his right leaning on criminal justice and support for the police.

Gun control is the least of my daily issues because I don't think mofokrs need AR-15s and street sweepers either.

yeah yeah and you been following him since his Harvard days.
 

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He has served on the appellate level since 1997, when he was nominated by President Bill Clinton and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. Two years prior, he had also been nominated to the court but his nomination was stalled by Senate Republicans. Throughout his two decades on the Circuit Court, which is often viewed as a stepping stone for U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Garland has widely been viewed as a centrist. But on matters of criminal law, the judge has been more center-right. He was found to “rarely [vote] in favor of criminal defendants’ appeals of their convictions” by aSCOTUSblog analysis of his record in 2010, and he joined an opinion that said Guantanamo Bay detainees cannot seek relief in civilian courts in 2003. His history on other areas of law, including environmental law, open government, and civil rights has also varied.




Maybe you should read about him before you come to the conclusion he is something good
No he isn't a Liberal judge. But everything I have read and watched he would be an excellent Justice.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...esident-obama-s-nominee-supreme-court-n539841

A liberal appointment will be impossible for any President as long as republicans control the senate. If the senate was to confirm Garland I believe it would be a victory. If they continue their obstruction it should hurt them in the GE.

One last point. None of us has the information on Garland that President Obama does. If this is his pick I trust him 100% that he made the right decision.
 
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So a Black man nominated a 65+yr old white man (and a white women who is constantly refusing herself from cases important to Black people)...yeah that's real change. Keep defnding Obama and his never ending desire to APPEASE people who will never appreciate his negotiation to the right. I wish he would for once be bold and go left, hell at least progressive. Shit find a moderate under the age of sixty for goodness sake. Yeah I know "I'm a hater" for wanting my President to give a fuck about me and mine
 

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No he isn't a Liberal judge. But everything I have read and watched he would be an excellent Justice.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...esident-obama-s-nominee-supreme-court-n539841

A liberal appointment will be impossible for any President as long as republicans control the senate. If the senate was to confirm Garland I believe it would be a victory. If they continue their obstruction it should hurt them in the GE.

read what i said my concern is again.

when it comes to criminal justice he isn't even moderate.

he is called a moderate because of his rulings on gun control and the ADA.

I have said that criminal justice reform is more of a concern for me than gun control because I am not against sensible gun control.

The only thing moderate or centrist means to me is that his vote cannot be counted on in regards to the things that affect black folks. justice reform, civil rights, voting rights ect.
 

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..makes sense when u look at it that way. I don't know of a nominee that was brought back after being denied.
Dont know if a nominee was flat out ignored due to last year of sitting Presidents tenure either tho..:smh:

Hilary will more than likely bring this clown right back up. A fucking unpredictable centrist. Repugs should confirm the clown if they knew any fucking thing. In the unlikely event Hilary goes another direction, it will absolutely be for someone more left leaning.
 

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I called it on here. He's not picking a black person and the nominee will likey be a conservative or moderate, not a liberal. Obama is a bitch.
 

ballscout1

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So a Black man nominated a 65+yr old white man (and a white women who is constantly refusing herself from cases important to Black people)...yeah that's real change. Keep defnding Obama and his never ending desire to APPEASE people who will never appreciate his negotiation to the right. I wish he would for once be bold and go left, hell at least progressive. Shit find a moderate under the age of sixty for goodness sake. Yeah I know "I'm a hater" for wanting my President to give a fuck about me and mine


I agree to a point....I always ask why she recuses herself but Thomas never did even when the case involved the efforts of his wife.

I also don't think getting a judge confirmed just to get one confirmed is that important when the rulings the judge has made relating to things that are used to continue to oppress black folks are contrary.

But if my complaints about Hillary's positions in the election relate to those issues then why would those concerns roll over into who is nominated for the SCOTUS ?
 

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Dont know if a nominee was flat out ignored due to last year of sitting Presidents tenure either tho..:smh:

Nope.....Reagan appointment was made during his last year


MYTH: Refusing To Hold Hearings For President's Supreme Court Nominee Is Not Unusual
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY): SCOTUS Vacancy "Should Not Be Filled Until We Have A New President." CBS News reported on February 13 that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expressed his intention to prevent the confirmation of any nominee before a new president takes office in 2017:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, believes the U.S. Senate should wait 11 months for the next president to be sworn in before confirming a Supreme Court justice to replace the late Justice Antonin Scalia.

"The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice," the conservative leader said in a statement following the news of Scalia's death. "Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president." [CBS News, 2/13/16]

Senate Republican Leadership Has Expressed Its Intention Not To Hold Hearings For Any Nominee.Politico reported on February 23, "Senate Republicans will deny hearings to a Supreme Court nominee from President Barack Obama and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said he's not inclined to even meet with whomever the president picks for the job." [Politico, 2/23/16]

Initial Reporting On Republican Obstructionism Downplayed Unprecedented Nature Or Ignored It Outright. Initial reporting the week following Scalia's death failed to emphasize the lack of precedent for the GOP leadership's claims and strategy surrounding the vacancy. For example, one February 16 New York Times article noted that the Obama administration and Democrats in Congress were merely "portraying" the GOP's actions as unprecedented, even though the historical record shows that charges of Republicans' unprecedented obstructionism are based in fact. The Times also presented Democrats and Republicans as equally blameworthy for judicial nominee obstruction, suggesting that Obama was somehow contributing to the battle. Right-wing outlets like The Washington Times misrepresented the nature of McConnell's threats -- suggesting he simply refused to confirm, not that he refused to even hold hearings -- to falsely argue, "Republicans have the Constitution, history, pragmatism and democracy on their side. Obama and the Democrats have only chutzpah." [Media Matters, 2/18/16; Media Matters, 2/16/16]

FACT: Historically, The Senate Has At Least Considered Presidential Nominees, Even In An Election Year
The Senate Has Considered Every Nominee Since 1875. Explaining modern precedents surrounding Supreme Court nomination and confirmation norms, the White House noted on its website that "since 1875, every nominee has received a hearing or a vote":

Every nominee has received a vote within 125 days of nomination.

Since 1975, the average time from nomination to confirmation is 67 days. In fact, since 1875, every nominee has received a hearing or a vote. The longest time before confirmation in the past three decades was 99 days, for Justice Thomas, and the last four Justices, spanning two Administrations, were confirmed in an average of 75 days.

The Senate has almost a full year -- more than 300 days -- to consider and confirm a nominee. [WhiteHouse.gov, accessed 2/29/16]

The Modern Confirmation Process Undoubtedly Involves Public Hearings And Consideration By The Senate. According to the Congressional Research Service (CRS), of more than 40 Supreme Court nominations made since the Senate Judiciary Committee began the practice of holding public hearings to question nominees in 1939, every nominee that was not withdrawn by the president received a public hearing or vote by the full Senate. Justices James Byrnes and Harold Burton were confirmed by the Senate without holding public hearings in 1941 and 1945, respectively. No Judiciary Committee action was taken on initial nominations of Justices John Harlan II and John Roberts, but both were re-nominated in short order, given public hearings, and confirmed by the Senate. In 2005, President George W. Bush withdrew his nomination of Harriet Miers before hearings could be held. In every other case, the nominee received one or more public hearings in the Judiciary Committee. [Supreme Court Nominations, 1789 - 2009: Actions by the Senate, the Judiciary Committee, and the President, Congressional Research Service, 5/13/2009]

Throughout U.S. History, The Full Senate Has Nearly Always Voted On The Nominee. According to a historical survey of the nomination process -- covering both the modern public hearing process and different Senate norms that preceded the modern process -- 149 of 160 nominations to the Supreme Court in U.S. history have been confirmed or rejected after receiving consideration by the full Senate:

Throughout the nation's history, there have been 160 nominations to the Supreme Court. Of these, 123 nominations received Senate confirmation, and 26 nominations were rejected by the Senate. The remaining nominations were either withdrawn by the president or never considered by the Senate. Thus, statistically speaking, presidents are quite successful in obtaining Senate support for their nominees: more than 75% of presidential nominations gained Senate approval. [Supreme Court Confirmation Hearings and Constitutional Change, Kindle Locations 670-674, 2013]

Since 1900, Six Supreme Court Vacancies Have Been Filled During Election Years. According to SCOTUSblog, "The historical record does not reveal any instances since at least 1900 of the president failing to nominate and/or the Senate failing to confirm a nominee in a presidential election year because of the impending election." SCOTUSblog listed six instances where vacancies were filled during election years, and also explained two cases since 1900 where "presidents were not able to nominate and confirm a successor during an election year" by describing how neither case "reflects a practice of leaving a seat open on the Supreme Court until after the election":

In the wake of the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, questions have arisen about whether there is a standard practice of not nominating and confirming Supreme Court Justices during a presidential election year. The historical record does not reveal any instances since at least 1900 of the president failing to nominate and/or the Senate failing to confirm a nominee in a presidential election year because of the impending election. In that period, there were several nominations and confirmations of Justices during presidential election years.

[...]

In two instances in the twentieth century, presidents were not able to nominate and confirm a successor during an election year. But neither reflects a practice of leaving a seat open on the Supreme Court until after the election.

On September 7, 1956, Sherman Minton announced his intent to retire in a letter to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, and he served until October 15, 1956. With the Senate already adjourned, Eisenhower made a recess appointment of William J. Brennan to the Court shortly thereafter; Brennan was formally nominated to the Court and confirmed in 1957. The fact that Eisenhower put Brennan on the Court is inconsistent with any tradition of leaving a seat vacant.

And in 1968, President Lyndon B. Johnson nominated Abe Fortas, who was already sitting as an Associate Justice, to succeed Chief Justice Earl Warren, but the Fortas nomination was the target of a bipartisan filibuster -- principally in reaction to the Warren Court's liberalism and ethical questions about Fortas, although objections were certainly also made that it was inappropriate to fill the seat in an election year. That filibuster prompted Homer Thornberry, whom Johnson nominated to succeed Fortas as an Associate Justice, to withdraw his name from consideration in October 1968, because there was no vacancy to fill. Moreover, the failure to confirm Fortas as the Chief Justice did not leave the Court short a Justice, because Chief Justice Earl Warren remained on the bench. [SCOTUSblog, 2/13/16]
 

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I'm reading these replies, and I have to ask: Do y'all honestly think that this is solely over politics and precedent?
 

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Lmaoo GOP fucked themselves hard

If they hold a hearing to nominate this justice then they are weak in the eyes of their base and will lose senate seats in the mid terms... If they don't work with him and hold up the nomination the next president (Dem) will nominate 2 justices both left learning

:lol:
 

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Most people in this thread don't realize this pick was never intended to get confirmed.

It was intended to be used as a tool to help beat Republicans.

Republicans won't confirm anyone, so may as well pick someone that gives you maximum political leverage.

I don't think this is solely about politics. They refuse to let him have ANY kind of legacy. They couldn't beat him, so they'll erase him from memory, so to speak. They want to get rid of anything good that will be attached to him. That's why they want to get rid of the ACA, even though it's racked with many of THEIR ideas! If they're able to repeal it, they'll quickly come up with a VERY similar plan, but it'll be better, because it won't have his name on it. If they could bring bin Laden back from the dead, and save him so that a white POTUS could kill him, they'd do it.
 
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I don't think this is solely about politics. They refuse to let him have ANY kind of legacy. They couldn't beat him, so they'll erase him from memory, so to speak. They want to get rid of anything good that will be attached to him. That's why they want to get rid of the ACA, even though it's racked with many of THEIR ideas! If they're able to repeal it, they'll quickly come up with a VERY similar plan, but it'll be better, because it won't have his name on it. If they could bring bin Laden back from the dead, and save him so that a white POTUS could kill him, they'd do it.

That's all true.

But

The right has been hanging their hat on a Supreme Court that has given them a President, Citizens United, and gutted the Civil Rights Bill.

They won't give up control of the courts willingly. They're going to fight until the bitter end.
 

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That's all true.

But

The right has been hanging their hat on a Supreme Court that has given them a President, Citizens United, and gutted the Civil Rights Bill.

They won't give up control of the courts willingly. They're going to fight until the bitter end.

Well the end is here for the right.. When Hillary takes office the Right better prey to their fake white Jesus that Hillary don't nominate Pres Obama to the Supreme Court lmaoooo

They better take this fade now and confirm the current nominee cause the next Pres will nominate 2 justices and they will really be assed out
 

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Most people in this thread don't realize this pick was never intended to get confirmed.

It was intended to be used as a tool to help beat Republicans.

Republicans won't confirm anyone, so may as well pick someone that gives you maximum political leverage.

Leverage with whom?
 
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