The fight over return-to-office is getting dirty
Bosses pushing return-to-office policies are relying on a few, questionable studies to back up the claim that remote work is less productive.

@easy_b @Camille
You'll notice a lot of these studies focus on call centers (the Stanford researcher Nicholas Bloom cited two in his roundup of productivity research), and that's likely because these are extremely controlled and heavily micromanaged environments — ones rife with labor abuse. Crude measures of productivity might indeed slip when workers are able to get away from horrible managers or torrents of abuse, but "productivity" in these studies is always a rigid metric, like "calls answered," rather than something more meaningful, like whether a problem was fixed or whether the customer was happy. These studies are relatively useless when it comes to evaluating most companies' return-to-office strategies, but that's just fine for the managerial elite.These studies — and the RTO push — often betray an utter ignorance of the workplace and work itself, both its structure and its outputs.
These announcements are almost always issued by executives who probably won't be subjected to the same kinds of check-ins as the rank-and-file workers the mandates apply to. Nobody's asking Amazon's Andy Jassy or Geico's Todd Combs how many days they swiped into the office, and there's no chance Oracle, which instituted a return-to-office policy in May, would punish Safra Catz or Larry Ellison for spending too little time at their desk. This irony combined with vague justifications exposes the reality of the RTO push: Managers and executives make calls based on perception rather than hands-on experience or data. The modern CEO has become a figurehead reaping the rewards of a work process they don't meaningfully participate in, so they make their choices based on macroeconomic conditions, their own biases, or, evidently, a single 45-minute meeting that left them feeling good.Managers and executives make calls based on perception rather than hands-on experience or data.
I would perhaps have more sympathy if companies made even the lightest attempt to demonstrate the efficacy of office work through relevant data or definable productivity metrics, rather than vague references to hours worked or office attendance. But seeing this type of data is unlikely as corporations have mostly turned modern managers into hall monitors. And if, as some have suggested, the return-to-office push is an attempt at a "soft layoff" — instituting unreasonable policies to make people quit (or accept severance) — it's corporate cowardice. It's restructuring a company based on who's most willing to tolerate wrongheaded inconveniences, rejecting great workers who don't live close to an office, and galvanizing sycophants who are willing to uncritically cheer on every executive mandate.Real management takes responsibility and makes thoughtful decisions based on what makes a company stronger.
I really don’t understand why some employees trying to force people back into the office especially if they are successful. Doing the work from home. Yeah corporate Real Estate is taking a hit but dammit you have productivity out of your people. As I stated a while ago about this issue, corporate America is having a tough time dealing with generation Z.![]()
The fight over return-to-office is getting dirty
Bosses pushing return-to-office policies are relying on a few, questionable studies to back up the claim that remote work is less productive.www.businessinsider.com
@easy_b @Camille
As a supervisor I noticed the people who claumed they were "more productive" at work were the type of people giving me a fifth of the production as my next shittiest employee.I really don’t understand why some employees trying to force people back into the office especially if they are successful. Doing the work from home. Yeah corporate Real Estate is taking a hit but dammit you have productivity out of your people. As I stated a while ago about this issue, corporate America is having a tough time dealing with generation Z.
Most employers say that they have more productivity with employees who work from homeAs a supervisor I noticed the people who claumed they were "more productive" at work were the type of people giving me a fifth of the production as my next shittiest employee.
When people scream I am more productive at home is a calling card that your work ethic is complete diarreah from drinking 3rd world water.
As a supervisor I noticed the people who claumed they were "more productive" at work were the type of people giving me a fifth of the production as my next shittiest employee.
When people scream I am more productive at home is a calling card that your work ethic is complete diarreah from drinking 3rd world water.
That would probably only apply to prostitutes.Most employers say that they have more productivity with employees who work from home
Are they trying to get ya'll to come back 5 days a week or hybrid?we had an hour long meeting about this shit this morning.............the sides were heavily divided.....
its the reasoning they are trying to give to be back in the office. talkin bout its better for your mental health if you're able to be around your co-workers often and having that human interaction.Are they trying to get ya'll to come back 5 days a week or hybrid?
This. Im currently on a 3in /2home situationits the reasoning they are trying to give to be back in the office. talkin bout its better for your mental health if you're able to be around your co-workers often and having that human interaction.
i'm like......the hell you say.......fuck yall....i aint tryin to be around none of yall asses. the only IT people that really have to be onsite, are the desktop support people.....cuz they have to be hands on with the majority of the things they have to do.
There is really no need to anyone else in IT to really have to be onsite.....unless a blade goes down, switch needs to be reset, or an AP replaced and someone from networking have to get in the datacenter and troubleshoot. But other than that........everything that needs to be done for our job can be done at home.
yeah i used to do that when i was a System Admin. we had a 48 tape Veeam server that i was responsible for doing the backup tapes on every Friday.This. Im currently on a 3in /2home situation
even when Im in the office, Im in my office all day. Since Covid most communication is on Teams. I run backups so once a week, I gotta be there to swap tapes out...
thats it
Like you said...if a server goes down, faulty switch etc......thats it. Last few times those things happened, I happened to be onsite, but were only a phone call away anyway
technically I only need to be there for about 30-60 minutes a week
That is another part of the problem why some people don’t want to come back to work. Even though I got laid off a few months ago because I was the highest paid technician in the office but some of y’all know, I was bickering with management a lot because they were doing dumb shit. I’ve been in my last job for 24 years and I could spot management bullshit coming from a mile away Nevertheless I walked out the door with $87,000 and that’s not including 401(k) money. I am still chilling looking for jobs here and there really not going to Go deeper into job searching until I come back from my two week vacation in a week or two.Some people enjoy exerting their dominance over others in a safe work space.
It's really all I can think of
LOL....yeah i used to do that when i was a System Admin. we had a 48 tape Veeam server that i was responsible for doing the backup tapes on every Friday.
I had to make sure it was done by 2pm, cuz thats when Iron Mountain came by to pick up and swap out cases. And like most, our data center was ice fuckin cold.
nigga we had coats on a rack outside the door that opened to the data center.....LOL....
ice cold. We are pumping so much cold air in here. Even in the summer, I keep a skully nearby
Man, they invited a bunch of illegal immigrants to try and replace the black vote, and have the nerve to dump them in our neighborhoods, dirty is not the word.
Shits full out trife!
Most of them cannot vote. Here is the major problem corporation. Want to use them for a cheap labor because they are having a hard time getting regular Americans to do cheap jobs. But that shit is blowing up in their face because deflation may be coming. Notice, Republican governors and senators are not screaming that loud about these immigrants. Republicans had that knucklehead in office for four years and he still didn’t do shit about the immigration.
when will you fucking idiots learn they can't voteMan, they invited a bunch of illegal immigrants to try and replace the black vote, and have the nerve to dump them in our neighborhoods, dirty is not the word.
Shits full out trife!
when will you fucking idiots learn they can't vote
The positive thing about the 2020 pandemic was that it exposed how shitty the economic and job market really is to every day Americans. Even too Americans who don’t pay attention to anything.
And having Trump in office amped it up.
Americans “Woke Up” in 2020 and basically said “You Can Take This Job And Shove It!”.
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Johnny Paycheck
Take This Job And Shove It
I DEF do more work from home because (a) there are less distractions, and (b) I find myself working through lunch recently which is a bad habit I need to get rid of. Also like you said being able to log on at odd hours if I want to get a little work done.I admit working from home isolates me, but the two hours I get back every day from not having to drive a minimum of 45 minutes each way, I wouldn't change that shit for the fucking world
I roll out of bed at 7:55 and log in at 8:00. Sometimes I take a nap from 8:00 to 9:00 or 9:30 (thank you, mouse jiggler).
On the other hand, last night at 2:30 in the morning I was up publishing a solicitation.
Also yesterday, I went to my 5:00 p.m. chiropractor appointment when technically I don't get off until 5:30
I might not work 8 hours straight, but I do what I need to do. I know the reward for getting my work done quickly is more work so I do as little as possible, but I do it. I did just as much bullshitting when I was at work, going to other people's desk and talking or being on my phone.
I can give a good God damn about the real estate market going down. I just never want to drive into work everyday again
Some people enjoy exerting their dominance over others in a safe work space.
It's really all I can think of
I keep telling people generation Z is going to fight you tooth and nail not to come back into the office. Also, these corporations need to realize things have changed. I feel sorry for corporate Real Estate, but it is what it is.
I do not have a rebuttal for your retort.I feel nothing for corporate Real Estate because no one wants to go to a huge state of the art building only to be confined to a gottdamned cubicle! I saw office buildings getting thrown up in downtown D.C. like shit was sweet and after the pandemic...Poof! Shits were empty. You know what was in demand? Housing. Those fuckers kept building offices and then the greedy developers kept making everything "luxury." Let them suffer just like the zombie corporations that kept being propped up. Let all of this shit fall.