Office Debate: The fight over return-to-office is getting dirty (pandemic)

Madrox

Vaya Con Dio
BGOL Investor
I feel nothing for corporate Real Estate because no one wants to go to a huge state of the art building only to be confined to a gottdamned cubicle! I saw office buildings getting thrown up in downtown D.C. like shit was sweet and after the pandemic...Poof! Shits were empty. You know what was in demand? Housing. Those fuckers kept building offices and then the greedy developers kept making everything "luxury." Let them suffer just like the zombie corporations that kept being propped up. Let all of this shit fall.

Right... fuck off with those new office buildings and build more housing ffs.
 

godofwine

Supreme Porn Poster - Ret
BGOL Investor
I keep telling people generation Z is going to fight you tooth and nail not to come back into the office. Also, these corporations need to realize things have changed. I feel sorry for corporate Real Estate, but it is what it is.
I feel you. They don't give a shit about Corporate America and corporate real estate.

They are trying to live their best and happiest life and they are quick to quit a job that doesn't give them what they want or tries to press on them the old ways when the old ways aren't better

If all goes to plan, my retirement date is May 15th 2030. This is how many days I got left as of today

 

godofwine

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I feel nothing for corporate Real Estate because no one wants to go to a huge state of the art building only to be confined to a gottdamned cubicle! I saw office buildings getting thrown up in downtown D.C. like shit was sweet and after the pandemic...Poof! Shits were empty. You know what was in demand? Housing. Those fuckers kept building offices and then the greedy developers kept making everything "luxury." Let them suffer just like the zombie corporations that kept being propped up. Let all of this shit fall.
Exactly. Fuck them

The problem with real estate developers and multi-state real estate developers especially is that they do not care.

They will have a business or business space empty for months or years when all they had to do was lower the rent for the tenant in that spot by $500 or $1,000 a month and tack it on at the end. Instead, the tenant left.

Now if it was a local developer they are affected by not getting that rent every month. But a multi-state developer doesn't give a shit they lose $1,000 like I lost a quarter down my couch

Now that they are feeling the heat because they overdeveloped and now don't have any tenants, fuck them
 

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
BGOL Investor
I feel nothing for corporate Real Estate because no one wants to go to a huge state of the art building only to be confined to a gottdamned cubicle! I saw office buildings getting thrown up in downtown D.C. like shit was sweet and after the pandemic...Poof! Shits were empty. You know what was in demand? Housing. Those fuckers kept building offices and then the greedy developers kept making everything "luxury." Let them suffer just like the zombie corporations that kept being propped up. Let all of this shit fall.

About 10 years ago I did the audio for a live interview between Bob Gurley from benchmark capital and a reporter from The Wall Street journal.

Gurley said that when venture capital steps in one or two million companies become 10 and 20 million companies overnight. These companies use that money to lease expensive office space in the financial district.

Since the real estate market was white hot at the time the agents locked these companies into 10-year terms. Then they used these deals as a reason to raise the price for everyone who followed.

Gurley foresaw a day when capital would be hard to get and a real estate bubble would pop. He was right! Covid showed that many of these "successful" companies were hemorrhaging money and kept the float by loans. Take away that money in the whole system falls apart.
 

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
BGOL Investor
I feel you. They don't give a shit about Corporate America and corporate real estate.

They are trying to live their best and happiest life and they are quick to quit a job that doesn't give them what they want or tries to press on them the old ways when the old ways aren't better

If all goes to plan, my retirement date is May 15th 2030. This is how many days I got left as of today


Due to years of heavy drinking, poor money management, and disastrous marriages my retirement date is whenever they put me a box.

So now my career goal is to enjoy my work as much as possible. Strike that perfect balance between loving what I do and having people love me for it.

Glad to see gen z has it right from the jump.
 

tpotda

Rising Star
Registered
Due to years of heavy drinking, poor money management, and disastrous marriages my retirement date is whenever they put me a box.

So now my career goal is to enjoy my work as much as possible. Strike that perfect balance between loving what I do and having people love me for it.

Glad to see gen z has it right from the jump.

Is it realistic to DJ into your 50s and beyond?
 

LordSinister

One Punch Mayne
Super Moderator
How the fuck does spend upwards of 2 hours in traffic make you more productive? Anyone that slacks at home will slack in the office.

The problem is corporations know most people are trash so they want to drag good employees in to micromanage them to take up the slack. My wife is dealing with this now. Doing the job of three people, and having the new hires constantly interrupting her because she is the only one willing to help.
 

crossovernegro

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Wow, that Bell Labs building in Holmdel, NJ.....I worked there for 12 years (started in the mail room working with Randall from "Clerks"). Place was like a small city. Was one of the workplaces I enjoyed going to, even if I didn't like the job I was doing at any particular time.

She left out the part about it no longer being at all connected to Bell Labs except for historical purposes (lotta history). Now it's a bunch of companies in there and the whole mini mall shit on the first couple floors and a driving range on the outside.



 
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VAiz4hustlaz

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Wells Fargo Fires ‘Mouse Jigglers’ Taking Aim At Fake Work And Other Trends​

Jack KellyJun 18, 2024,
Man working in surveillance room and looking at monitors



Employers use various technologies to digitally [+]getty


Wells Fargo fired over a dozen employees last month after an internal investigation revealed workers were engaged in alleged unethical workplace practices “involving simulation of keyboard activity creating impression of active work,” according to a filing with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority.

The terminated employees worked in the firm's wealth and investment management division, Bloomberg reported. The regulatory disclosures did not indicate the total number of staff that received disciplinary action, as well as their work arrangements.

"Wells Fargo holds employees to the highest standards and does not tolerate unethical behavior," a company spokesperson told Bloomberg.

This is not the first time the third biggest bank in the United States’ employees have come under scrutiny. In 2016, Wells Fargo was found to have opened millions of unauthorized savings and checking accounts for existing customers to meet sales goals, after claims that its executives pressured rank-and-file bank personnel to aggressively cross-sell products to enhance sales and revenue to meet certain quotas.

The firm agreed to pay $3 billion to both the U.S. Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission to settle its long-running civil and criminal probes into its fraudulent sales practices.

Wells Fargo’s recent discovery of employees faking work was uncovered before FINRA’s new edict went into effect on June 1, ordering broker-dealers to conduct and document a risk assessment and provide the regulator with a list of “residential supervisory locations” on a quarterly basis. Home offices of remote workers are required to be registered and inspected every three years under FINRA’s new pilot program.

Mouse Jiggling And Other Dishonest Practices​

The Wells Fargo firings call attention to the ongoing tensions surrounding remote work and employee surveillance, as employers aim to ensure productivity while workers seek flexibility.

The concept of misrepresenting active work was recently in the spotlight after a May survey by Harris Poll revealed that nearly 40% of Millennial workers said they take time off without formally communicating it to their manager, in a trend called “quiet vacationing.”

Employees admitted to partaking in office workarounds, such as periodically moving their computer mouse to appear active, as well as scheduling messages to be sent outside of normal business hours to maintain the impression that they are going above and beyond by working overtime.

As remote work soared during the pandemic, employees turned toward the use of "mouse jigglers" to give the appearance of being active on their computers. Without direct oversight from managers, these deceptive gadgets automatically move a mouse’s cursor at intervals, tricking employee monitoring software into registering the worker as engaged and productive.

The proliferation of mouse jigglers has allowed remote employees to step away from their desks while maintaining the illusion of diligently working.

Other trends where staff try to pull one over on employers by circumventing work include quiet quitting, Bare Minimum Mondays and other TikTok-influenced workplace hacks.

How Companies Are Monitoring Workers​

Employers use various technologies to digitally monitor worker productivity, a practice that has become increasingly common in white-collar roles, according to an investigation by the New York Times in 2022.

“Many employees, whether working remotely or in person, are subject to trackers, scores, ‘idle’ buttons, or just quiet, constantly accumulating records,” the NYT report stated.

Companies are actively deploying activity-tracking software that monitors employees’ keystrokes, mouse movements and application usage to gauge productivity. They restrict access to certain websites unrelated to work on company-owned devices and networks.

Additionally, organizations monitor work email content for compliance or productivity purposes. They track login and logout times to oversee employees’ hours worked. Some employers may even monitor workers through webcams, though regulations and ethical considerations may limit this. These intrusive products are derisively referred to as “tattleware” or “bossware.”

Large investment bank Barclays was previously probed by the Information Commissioner’s Office, the United Kingdom watchdog that deals with data privacy and protection, over allegations of spying on employees. In 2017, the British firm received backlash after implementing OccupEye, a system that tracked how long workers spent at their desks.

A spokesperson for the ICO stated at the time that staff are “entitled to a degree of privacy in the workplace." The regulator added, "If organizations wish to monitor their employees, they should be clear about its purpose and that it brings real benefits. Organizations also need to make employees aware of the nature, extent and reasons for any monitoring."

How Employers Can Discourage Fake Work​

As bosses resort to deploying invasive surveillance measures to ensure employee productivity, they may be unknowingly driving their workforce to engage in dishonest practices, such as quiet vacationing or using a mouse jiggler.

To cut down on phantom work, employers should clearly communicate the company's policies regarding dishonesty in the workplace and the consequences of these actions.

It is essential for managers to understand why employees feel the need to use mouse jigglers or lie, such as setting unrealistic productivity expectations, implementing heavy-handed edicts that fail to promote flexibility and a culture that disincentivizes work-life balance. By identifying the underlying reasons and addressing the root causes, organizations can foster a more positive and transparent work environment.

Leaders should encourage open communication between employees and management, where workers can feel safe sharing their concerns and feedback regarding productivity tracking methods, and work together to find mutually beneficial solutions that balance monitoring needs with employee privacy and well-being.

Follow me on Twitter or LinkedIn. Check out my website or some of my other work here.

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godofwine

Supreme Porn Poster - Ret
BGOL Investor

Wells Fargo Fires ‘Mouse Jigglers’ Taking Aim At Fake Work And Other Trends​

Jack KellyJun 18, 2024,
Man working in surveillance room and looking at monitors



Employers use various technologies to digitally [+]getty


Wells Fargo fired over a dozen employees last month after an internal investigation revealed workers were engaged in alleged unethical workplace practices “involving simulation of keyboard activity creating impression of active work,” according to a filing with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority.

The terminated employees worked in the firm's wealth and investment management division, Bloomberg reported. The regulatory disclosures did not indicate the total number of staff that received disciplinary action, as well as their work arrangements.

"Wells Fargo holds employees to the highest standards and does not tolerate unethical behavior," a company spokesperson told Bloomberg.

This is not the first time the third biggest bank in the United States’ employees have come under scrutiny. In 2016, Wells Fargo was found to have opened millions of unauthorized savings and checking accounts for existing customers to meet sales goals, after claims that its executives pressured rank-and-file bank personnel to aggressively cross-sell products to enhance sales and revenue to meet certain quotas.

The firm agreed to pay $3 billion to both the U.S. Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission to settle its long-running civil and criminal probes into its fraudulent sales practices.

Wells Fargo’s recent discovery of employees faking work was uncovered before FINRA’s new edict went into effect on June 1, ordering broker-dealers to conduct and document a risk assessment and provide the regulator with a list of “residential supervisory locations” on a quarterly basis. Home offices of remote workers are required to be registered and inspected every three years under FINRA’s new pilot program.

Mouse Jiggling And Other Dishonest Practices​

The Wells Fargo firings call attention to the ongoing tensions surrounding remote work and employee surveillance, as employers aim to ensure productivity while workers seek flexibility.

The concept of misrepresenting active work was recently in the spotlight after a May survey by Harris Poll revealed that nearly 40% of Millennial workers said they take time off without formally communicating it to their manager, in a trend called “quiet vacationing.”

Employees admitted to partaking in office workarounds, such as periodically moving their computer mouse to appear active, as well as scheduling messages to be sent outside of normal business hours to maintain the impression that they are going above and beyond by working overtime.

As remote work soared during the pandemic, employees turned toward the use of "mouse jigglers" to give the appearance of being active on their computers. Without direct oversight from managers, these deceptive gadgets automatically move a mouse’s cursor at intervals, tricking employee monitoring software into registering the worker as engaged and productive.

The proliferation of mouse jigglers has allowed remote employees to step away from their desks while maintaining the illusion of diligently working.

Other trends where staff try to pull one over on employers by circumventing work include quiet quitting, Bare Minimum Mondays and other TikTok-influenced workplace hacks.

How Companies Are Monitoring Workers​

Employers use various technologies to digitally monitor worker productivity, a practice that has become increasingly common in white-collar roles, according to an investigation by the New York Times in 2022.

“Many employees, whether working remotely or in person, are subject to trackers, scores, ‘idle’ buttons, or just quiet, constantly accumulating records,” the NYT report stated.

Companies are actively deploying activity-tracking software that monitors employees’ keystrokes, mouse movements and application usage to gauge productivity. They restrict access to certain websites unrelated to work on company-owned devices and networks.

Additionally, organizations monitor work email content for compliance or productivity purposes. They track login and logout times to oversee employees’ hours worked. Some employers may even monitor workers through webcams, though regulations and ethical considerations may limit this. These intrusive products are derisively referred to as “tattleware” or “bossware.”

Large investment bank Barclays was previously probed by the Information Commissioner’s Office, the United Kingdom watchdog that deals with data privacy and protection, over allegations of spying on employees. In 2017, the British firm received backlash after implementing OccupEye, a system that tracked how long workers spent at their desks.

A spokesperson for the ICO stated at the time that staff are “entitled to a degree of privacy in the workplace." The regulator added, "If organizations wish to monitor their employees, they should be clear about its purpose and that it brings real benefits. Organizations also need to make employees aware of the nature, extent and reasons for any monitoring."

How Employers Can Discourage Fake Work​

As bosses resort to deploying invasive surveillance measures to ensure employee productivity, they may be unknowingly driving their workforce to engage in dishonest practices, such as quiet vacationing or using a mouse jiggler.

To cut down on phantom work, employers should clearly communicate the company's policies regarding dishonesty in the workplace and the consequences of these actions.

It is essential for managers to understand why employees feel the need to use mouse jigglers or lie, such as setting unrealistic productivity expectations, implementing heavy-handed edicts that fail to promote flexibility and a culture that disincentivizes work-life balance. By identifying the underlying reasons and addressing the root causes, organizations can foster a more positive and transparent work environment.

Leaders should encourage open communication between employees and management, where workers can feel safe sharing their concerns and feedback regarding productivity tracking methods, and work together to find mutually beneficial solutions that balance monitoring needs with employee privacy and well-being.

Follow me on Twitter or LinkedIn. Check out my website or some of my other work here.

I am a CEO, founder, and executive recruiter at one of the oldest and largest global search firms
...

Do I use the mouse jigger? Yes I do. However, I also sometimes come back at work between 8:00 and 10:00 p.m., or from 1:00 am to 2:00 am. So even though I might not work 8 hours straight, what does it benefit when I'm bobbing and weaving from being tired or dealing with a migraine at my desk.

The fact is they want to over-monitor us which was the reason for our stress in the first goddamn place at work. Their desire for an overseer hasn't changed since slavery
 
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