Official 2024 NFL Discussion Week 11!!!
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Arizona got Hopkins for Kyler & Bills got muthafukin Stefon Diggs for Josh Allen...
and we BLAMING ALL THIS ON LAMAR?
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and we BLAMING ALL THIS ON LAMAR?
OK
Well if he cheated and had a super team around him for most of his career.....maybe he wouldnt be.
2 white QBs that media claims are the greatest don't even throw for 200 yards with weapons in every offensive position. And the narrative is they are hall of famers. They should get the same backlash as anyone else.
But Lamar is trash and is too inaccurate in his 3rd year, MVP in his 2nd. His receivers are not great, every game he hits a receiver in the hands or chest and they drop it, so yeah why wouldn't he take off running. When Snead came into the game in the slot their game plan changed to quick passes and they easily matched down the field. I blame coaching for always looking for the big play vs gradually working the clock and keeping the defense on their heels with quick strikes.
This is why its so hard for black QBs, for some reason they have to win instantly and constantly win. But white QBs can have off games or off seasons cause they are human and it happens in sports. Now there are narratives about his hair and how he talks. He has been told no to QB for years cause of his talent. The kid is doing something that millions have dreamed of doing.
If you bash Lamar bash everyone else who throws less than 200 yards win or lose. Again dude was a MVP in his 2nd year and he is getting hate.
Damn shame
But Lamar is trash and is too inaccurate in his 3rd year, MVP in his 2nd. His receivers are not great, every game he hits a receiver in the hands or chest and they drop it, so yeah why wouldn't he take off running. When Snead came into the game in the slot their game plan changed to quick passes and they easily matched down the field. I blame coaching for always looking for the big play vs gradually working the clock and keeping the defense on their heels with quick strikes.
This is why its so hard for black QBs, for some reason they have to win instantly and constantly win. But white QBs can have off games or off seasons cause they are human and it happens in sports. Now there are narratives about his hair and how he talks. He has been told no to QB for years cause of his talent. The kid is doing something that millions have dreamed of doing.
If you bash Lamar bash everyone else who throws less than 200 yards win or lose. Again dude was a MVP in his 2nd year and he is getting hate.
Damn shame
I didn’t get it at first until I looked again and notice the nose ring...lmaooo
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Come on man stop it, Brees is receiving backlash for those yards and the 3 interceptions he had, Brady won the game plus had 3 TD’s so why would he get any backlash. They’ve acknowledged Lamar as a good player but he played bad and is rightfully receiving backlash because of it. They talk about Brady all the time not being mobile outside the pocket so if the defense doesn’t give him time in the pocket he is a average quarterback, whenever he loses they point to that. With Lamar they talk about him not being accurate able to throw consistently so if you take away his legs and force him to throw he won’t be productive, he hasn‘t proved he can do that, that stuff about no receivers is bs because Snead is good and Hollywood Brown is a good and one of the fastest receivers in the league Lamar just hasn’t been able to get it to him when it’s needed. It’s not always a black white thing, if you see a player playing bad you can call him out, Shannon Sharpe talked about this this morning
Dak is 'Woke' lol
So much for progress on inclusive hiring in the NFL
In yet another hiring cycle, Black coaches are seeing a clear double standard
Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy watches pregame warmups before the AFC divisional playoff game against the Houston Texans at Arrowhead Stadium on Jan. 12 in Kansas City, Missouri. David Eulitt/Getty Images
BY JASON REID@JREIDESPN
January 18, 2021
Nearing the close of another hiring cycle, NFL owners have failed again.
In a period in which there were initially seven openings for head coaches and now has only two vacancies remaining, no Black coaches have been tabbed to fill any yet. In most categories, going 0 for 5 is an awful look. This one qualifies.
For proponents of inclusive hiring throughout the league, the lack of progress would be concerning during any cycle. That it has occurred following the previous three cycles, however, is downright alarming for the game’s Black assistant coaches, several told The Undefeated in recent interviews. During the previous cycles, there were 20 openings for head coaches. Only one coach of color was hired in each cycle — and one Black coach total.
As of the publication of this column, the Houston Texans and Philadelphia Eagles had not officially completed their coaching searches. Perhaps a fourth-quarter comeback of sorts will occur, enabling the league to claim a net gain in its number of Black head coaches (at the start of the process, the total stood at only one — Mike Tomlin of the Pittsburgh Steelers; Brian Flores of the Miami Dolphins is Afro-Latino and Ron Rivera of the Washington Football Team is Latino). Of course, even having two or three Black head coaches in a league with 32 teams isn’t exactly something to thump one’s chest about.
Some will point to the hiring of Robert Saleh, the first Muslim head coach in NFL history, by the New York Jets as a sign of progress on the coaching front. Make no mistake, that move is noteworthy. But let’s be real: The NFL has never been Blacker.
The league’s on-field workforce is more than 70% Black. Of the 32 players selected in the first round of the 2020 draft, 29 are Black. Black quarterbacks now set the league’s agenda, and the best among them, Kansas City Chiefs wunderkind Patrick Mahomes, is the new face of the NFL. With that backdrop, the NFL is sending a horrible message to its Black assistant coaches.
And don’t count on both the Texans and Eagles to turn to Black assistants to lead their teams. It’s more likely that Kansas City Chiefs head coach Andy Reid would punt on fourth down late in a game while running out the clock to complete a victory is within his reach.
Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes (left) talks to Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy (right) after scoring a touchdown during the first quarter of Super Bowl LIV on Feb. 2, 2020, at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, Florida.
Commissioner Roger Goodell and his top lieutenants had hoped for better — far better — after high-ranking officials from the league office and the Fritz Pollard Alliance, the independent group that advises the NFL on matters of diversity, intensified their efforts around hiring during the offseason.
Their belief was that by incentivizing inclusion and focusing on policies that would potentially accelerate the ability of candidates to move through the pipeline, positive change would manifest in improvement as soon as this cycle. So much for that.
What has occurred since the end of the regular season is yet another painful reminder, coaches say, that the league office can only do so much. The NFL’s hiring problem, at its core, is at the ownership level. And it’s as glaring as ever.
What’s most galling to Black coaches is the clear double standard present in the hiring process. While white assistants with little experience as coordinators or even position coaches are fast-tracked for the top-rung jobs, top-notch Black assistants often toil for years waiting for opportunities that never come, regardless of their role in contributing to an organization’s overall success. For Black assistants, the curious case of Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy is just about becoming a cautionary tale.
With their victory over the Cleveland Browns in the AFC divisional round Sunday, the Chiefs will become the first AFC team to host three consecutive AFC title games. For that entire period, Bieniemy has been the Chiefs’ offensive coordinator. Furthermore, Mahomes, who swears by Bieniemy, is 24-1 in his last 25 starts, including a Super Bowl victory. The Chiefs’ success overall and that individually of the team’s young superstar signal-caller should be a launching pad for Bieniemy to run his own shop. Bieniemy is still waiting for it to happen.
Meanwhile, after only one season as a defensive coordinator with the Los Angeles Rams, Brandon Staley has been hired to take over the Los Angeles Chargers. Staley becomes a head coach not even four years after being hired for his first NFL coaching gig. Until this season, he coached outside linebackers. Granted, the Rams thrived under Staley this season, leading the NFL in many categories. But here’s the thing: Bieniemy has been doing it big with the Chiefs for several years.
Then there’s the Detroit Lions’ coaching vacancy.
Reportedly, the Lions are expected to hire New Orleans Saints tight ends coach Dan Campbell, who has never been a coordinator in the NFL. Could Staley and Campbell wind up being successful with the Chargers and Lions, respectively? Absolutely. What their ascent reinforces, though, is the existence of the same double standard on display recently during the sacking of the U.S. Capitol by a crowd of mostly white rioters. The bar is still set much higher for Black assistants.
Some have suggested that Bieniemy isn’t viewed favorably by owners because Reid handles the Chiefs’ primary play-calling duties, that somehow the play-calling role is all that matters in determining whether a prospective head coach will succeed.
Putting aside that wrongheaded thinking for a moment, you know who also had largely the same working relationship with Reid while they served under him on offense with the Chiefs? Chicago Bears head coach Matt Nagy and former Philadelphia Eagles head coach Doug Pederson. Given the opportunities Nagy, Pederson and other white non-primary play-callers have received, the whole play-calling narrative, with regard to Bieniemy’s lack of advancement, simply doesn’t hold water.
Play-calling has become a lot like those illegal Jim Crow-era voting “tests” Black people endured, such as having to guess how many jelly beans were in a jar. It’s just something used to exclude Black assistants from the hiring process.
Another common criticism of Black assistants, albeit one that may be made up of whole cloth, is that they do not interview well. Impressing owners, especially during the initial get-to-know-you sessions, is key in advancing in the process. Besides laying out an X’s-and-O’s vision for success, many owners want coaches who seem capable of inspiring players. Supposedly, another knock on Bieniemy is that he doesn’t command the room.
Look, short of Bieniemy rapping all of his answers to questions, there’s no way he could interview so poorly, relative to his role in the Chiefs’ spectacular success, to still be shut out. It just doesn’t add up.
The other whispers around Bieniemy concern incidents that occurred during his playing days and time as a young coach, though nothing that has been publicly revealed in the past 20 years. By all accounts, Bieniemy has set a positive example while delivering daily for the Chiefs.
The Jacksonville Jaguars hired Urban Meyer, who hasn’t proven anything in the NFL, despite the fact that while coaching at Ohio State, he reportedly knew about spousal abuse allegations against assistant coach Zach Smith before Smith was fired. The school suspended Meyer for three games after an independent investigation determined he failed to uphold the values of the university. None of that stopped Meyer from getting an opportunity at football’s highest level. Or is it that only Black coaches are disqualified because of issues in their past?
The thought process about Black assistants, generally, is warped. In many respects, it’s the same type of flawed, outdated outlook that resulted in Mitch Trubisky being selected ahead of Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in the 2017 draft. What’s most harmful, it has stymied the careers of many Black coaches.
Chicago Bears general manager Ryan Pace saw himself in Trubisky. Does that mean Pace is a virulent racist? Of course not. Often, people in decision-making lean on their life experiences. Their frame of reference sometimes plays an outsize role in planning. It just so happens that the overwhelming majority of high-level decision-makers in the NFL are white men. There’s no sugarcoating where things stand, and there are no signs of improvement on the horizon.
When it comes to hiring coaches, NFL owners couldn’t make their feelings more clear. All that’s needed now is to hang the sign: Black men need not apply.
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Hold up. So brady got 30 of the 37 playoff wins for new England? Damn
Arians should have done that in the first place and you can tell Brady was coaching in New England, the OC was probably giving him advice but best believe Brady was the one choosing the plays
1,2 ,3,10 are most realistic. They all have starting caliber(Darnold is 'meh' though) qb's they can send back to Texans. So does Carolina. Damn, if the added Watson to that offense ....
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They gave this unproven never called a play tight ends coach a 6 Year deal?!?
At least he's a NFL guy...the Carolina Panthers gave a 6 year deal to a bum ass Big 12 college coach.
I'm not thrilled with it either. I wanted Bienemy, but whatever. As long as Campbell has some good coordinators it should be fine.
I saw. Glenn is supposedly a great mind and is primed to be a DC in the near future. I guess we'll see how it goes, but he most definitely can't be any worse than Undlin was last year and Pasqualoni in the prior years.
Hopefully Pep Hamilton is on the short list of OC candidates.
