Official 2025 NFL Off Season Discussion!!!

Ballatician said:
Yes, a few times I’ve said in the CO thread that not only does Shadeur hold on to the ball too long but his pocket presence isn’t the best. His “third eye” to feel pressure behind him isn’t the best.

Now in regards to having a stacked group of receivers, you need good players to move the ball. However, I’ve seen him slice teams up without his top guys a few times. Moreover, as you acknowledged, he’s accurate, he can hit those boys in stride and let his speedsters rack up the yac.

Cleveland is loaded with QBs, and Gabriel plays like an NFL QB regarding his quick decisions and timing, however his arm is weaker than Shadeurs. All in all, this is great competition for Shadeur, and he’s never been challenged at his position. We’re about to see if he’s a dawg like that, studying, grinding, trying to get extra reps in because there’s not enough balls to go around to everybody.
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And we have only discussed his play. Shedeur comes off as very immature and arrogant as well. On social media/documentary videos, he argued and bragged to his linemen about making more money than them. He flaunted money his dad gave him around players from the hood. He regularly threw his team under the bus when he had a bad game. He was really mumblemouthed and standoffish in interviews and when recruits came. He didn’t go to the combine and acted like he won a championship when better and more successful QBs did. It’s crazy comparing Shedeur Sanders to Kaepernick.


Colorado had multiple defensive players who were not drafted or drafted lower than expected. Prime didn’t really support them or speak on them before or during the draft.
 
jawnswoop said:
So, you're saying it isn't about race but they have drafted CAC QB who isn't better than Shedeur, with a player who spent 7 years in college.
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I won’t ever argue against racism not being prevalent today because it is.

Shedeur ceiling is low. He has a high floor. That doesn’t mean he can’t be the next Mahomes….or the next whoever. Because at the end of the day nobody saw Rodger’s or Mahomes or Brady becoming what they became.

Even with Dart yes he sucks but he has the ceiling of Josh Allen. Not my opinion but that’s what scouts think. Pat Shurmur his own OC is comparing him to Daniel Jones which is wild.

I wouldn’t have touched none of these quarterbacks. They all was ass to me. I’ve been following Shedeur for awhile now. I don’t know what he’s great at. Like with Milroe and Ward I see the attraction to their physical talent in hope to get them to become better passers.

Yes Shedeur didn’t deserve to be taken as late as he was. He’s not good enough to take on the baggage that comes with him and I can’t say I disagree.
 
EPDC said:
Bro, you hit the nail on the head. That shit is so sad.

Shedeur is one player, one story in a draft full of so many.

Deion made this draft more about him instead of letting his son be his own man.

I saw plenty of young brothers who were drafted whose fathers were there quiet letting their kids have the spotlight.

Yeah, Deion is a legend, a Hall of Famer, and college coach, but this was supposed to be his son's moment and him being so vocal about his son's prospective football future came back to bite them.
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And this is a big part in why his son fell. It his son was Cam Newton coming out or Caleb Williams they wouldn’t give a shit. But he’s not.
 
DC_Dude said:
100% agree and I blame the media esp ESPN for all of this.

ESPN was the main outlet that talked about Sanders damn near on every show atleast 60% of the time. At some point that shit was so annoying I had to revert to XM radio where I could a better analysis about various players.

The only show on ESPN that didn’t talk about Sanders 70% of the the time was PTI and Pat McAfee.
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They had to though. Shedeur became the biggest name in this draft. By far.
 
^SpiderMan^ said:
And we have only discussed his play. Shedeur comes off as very immature and arrogant as well. On social media/documentary videos, he argued and bragged to his linemen about making more money than them. He flaunted money his dad gave him around players from the hood. He regularly threw his team under the bus when he had a bad game. He was really mumblemouthed and standoffish in interviews and when recruits came. He didn’t go to the combine and acted like he won a championship when better and more successful QBs did. It’s crazy comparing Shedeur Sanders to Kaepernick.


Colorado had multiple defensive players who were not drafted or drafted lower than expected. Prime didn’t really support them or speak on them before or during the draft.
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He has his flaws, and that shit is going to get checked in the pros. Not only are his teammates older than him, but most are wealthier than him.

One important truth remains: performance on the football field is the greatest indicator of success. If you get an opportunity, like Kurt Warner did when Green went down, and succeed, nothing can prevent you from playing. Shadeur gonna have to be a dawg and we’ll see if he can change culture and lead men like he said in the combine press conference.
 
Ballatician said:
Everybody QB needs help.
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Yeah but he has more help than anyone. He has the best receiving group, best running back, best offensive line and best defense.

That being said, I don’t care. He got a ring and made big time throws. There’s 10 or so guys I’d rather have but he’s one of the best backs in the league. Aikman had help, Montana had it…not gonna knock a guy because his front office knows his limitations and knows how to build.
Jayden Daniel’s ain’t did shit. They just like him better because he has better highlights. Still got some ways to go.
 
jawnswoop said:
We can say that about a lot of other QB's as well who won the superbowl.
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Yeah but my point is he has to do less than Lamar does to win. He has to do less then Josh Allen to win.

Hurts has never threw for over 4k yards. Some guys don’t have that luxury.

Yes Mahomes has help. He don’t have that type of help.

But like I said I don’t knock him for that. He can’t help who he play with.
 
dtownsfinest said:
Yeah but my point is he has to do less than Lamar does to win. He has to do less then Josh Allen to win.

Hurts has never threw for over 4k yards. Some guys don’t have that luxury.

Yes Mahomes has help. He don’t have that type of help.

But like I said I don’t knock him for that. He can’t help who he play with.
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If hurts didn't perform the way he did in the superbowl, the eagles wouldn't be champions no matter how good the defense was.

Hurts has said time after time he plays the game to win, those beautiful stats is for individual awards because the QB's who had the most passing yards last season, none of them make it to the superbowl.

Also, how soon have people forgotten hurts was the runner-up for MVP that same year he first went to the superbowl.

Mahomes has had help when he won the superbowl but he's gotten praise for it every time.

Lamar has to do a lot because the GM doesn't know how to build a team to understand you need both good offense and defense.
 
dtownsfinest said:
Yeah but he has more help than anyone. He has the best receiving group, best running back, best offensive line and best defense.

That being said, I don’t care. He got a ring and made big time throws. There’s 10 or so guys I’d rather have but he’s one of the best backs in the league. Aikman had help, Montana had it…not gonna knock a guy because his front office knows his limitations and knows how to build.
Jayden Daniel’s ain’t did shit. They just like him better because he has better highlights. Still got some ways to go.
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I really respect this.
 
dtownsfinest said:
I’m not a big Hurts fan but he better than everyone in the division. Yeah he has help but oh well. He won.
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