Official Biden/Trump Debate thread.... FINAL DEBATE, "Knuckle fight in Nashville" TONIGHT... 9:00 pm

[slewdem100]

Might have already been addressed in this thread but those polls CNN was showing had it really close in key battleground states...closer than I thought it was actually...if this was a popular vote election it would already be over but with the way this thing is setup there are worrying signs for Biden

 

[fonzerrillii]

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[Amajorfucup]

If that's what counts as a "win" in your book, that's a pretty weak win.

I get wanting more callouts of Trump's bullshit, but the truth there are not enough hours in the day to do that. If Biden had spent the entire debate doing that, he wouldn't have gotten any substantive points of his own across. Hillary tried calling Trump out on his falsehood 4 years ago, and that's exactly what happened to her (well, it's more complicated, but my point stands).

To beat Trump's buffoonery, you have to call out a direct lie in the moment and then parse out the rest between the points that you yourself want to make. You will lose a battle of muckslinging with Trump because it's what he's good at. Hell, it's all that he is.

IMO, Trump "lost" this debate because the only positive energy he gained is the kind that drives his base. He played to them like he always does, but they alone will not win him this election. He has to have the support of both borderline Republicans and middle-of-the-road, "undecideds". Even then, he'd probably still need some Democratic support, and he's literally abandoned them by making sure that he shits all over blue states.

Look at everything that Trump has abandoned to get to where he was last night. He no longer cares if people find him divisive party-wise. He blindly accused his most popular scientific advisor of being a Democrat (as if that alone is an insult of some kind). He literally implied that immigrants following the law when they show up for a hearing are "low I.Q." (which is one of his derogatory dog whistles). He literally thinks that he's the best thing ever for black people, which is a clear indicator that he has not seriously talked to black people.

As the one guy on CNN said, he lied more last night than he did in the first debate, most likely because he spent less time trying to interrupt things. The only metric in which Trump won is that he was a quieter, more polite lying asshole than he was last time, and that's a pretty piss poor metric to gauge by. Mind you, I'm sure there will be plenty of people that will use it, but again, those are people Trump already had in his corner. I don't see people that he hadn't already convinced seeing his performance last night and saying, "Well, I could put up with that for another four years...."

Not just about callouts but an accurate accounting of the record. Biden failed to counter his bullshit and could and should have done so in 30 second prefaces as his clock started. And there was no fear of interruption on this debate as mics were cutoff. He missed an opportunity. Period.

And I don't care what a CNN pundit states post debate. In real time he looked slow and weak. And allowed his opponent to throw too much shit on the wall unanswered in the eyes of the uninformed.

 

[praetor]

 

[BKF]

Not just about callouts but an accurate accounting of the record. Biden failed to counter his bullshit and could and should have done so in 30 second prefaces as his clock started. And there was no fear of interruption on this debate as mics were cutoff. He missed an opportunity. Period.

And I don't care what a CNN pundit states post debate. In real time he looked slow and weak. And allowed his opponent to throw too much shit on the wall unanswered in the eyes of the uninformed.

Trying to counter every bit of Trump's lies and bs is what Trump wanted Biden to do. It's a fools errand because you end up on the defense and not getting the points you want people to hear across.

 

[geechiedan]

I actually thought Trump "won" the debate. Biden just left too much unrebutted for me. Missed way too many opportunities to trounce. Particularly on his empty promises (lies) to release his taxes and having a Obamacare replacement on deck. He should have called him out as the pathological liar he is. I felt the same way about Kamala and her debate tho.

I agree that Trump won the final debate. You can't convince these folks on here though cause they are so bias toward Biden that anything he says they agree with.

so lets get this straight..trump "won" because he didn't take a shit on the stage....like literally...

Do yall realize how incredible this has been for Biden? In TWO presidential election cycles he's has to debate literally two MORONS on the stage.

in 2008 he had to debate SARAH PALIN..and conservatives said she won because she completed most of her sentences.

and now your saying trump won simply because he didn't resort to juvenile tactics he tried in the first debate.

This tells you just how serious fucking conservatives are about this process. This proves my theory about republicans/conservatives of the last 20 years. They are not serious at all at this point, they're just in it for the irritation. Trump is literally a fucking troll. He tweets and says bullshit just to get the reaction and conservatives eat it up.

In the 21st century look at what conservatives have brought to the table since W (a president so bad he's STILL persona non grata in his own party, mind you):

John McCain - Someone who looked like he was moving in molasses compared to Obama
Mitt Romney - the Lawrence Welk of presidential candidates... In a long ago bygone era he'd have come off better
Sarah Palin - remember when Dan Quayle spelled POTATO wrong and everyone freaked out? Then there was the Murphy Brown incident? Well, he's a Rhoads Scholar compared to this bitch.
Donald Trump - Lying is literally this motherfuckers oxygen and he's not even trying to cover that up and conservatives not only tolerate it, but they also encourage it.

How low can you guys go? 2024 is gonna be interesting on who they present next

 

[fonzerrillii]

John McCain - Someone who looked like he was moving in molasses compared to Obama

I will always say that the two biggest mistakes conservatives made during that election

1. They should have told McCain to remain a moderate and not follow the tea party Koolaid. The Republicans were getting hit left and right with sex scandals and McCain was probably one of the few Republicans during that time that was respected on both sides... But the tea party had completely highjacked that party and his team felt that they needed him to be more aggressive.. Which made McCain look stupid and completely out of touch.

2. Sarah Palin was easily the worst vice presidential candidate that I've ever seen ... and with Mccain's age folks were terrified that she was one heart attack away from having her finger on some nukes.

 

[BKF]

I will always say that the two biggest mistakes conservatives made during that election

1. They should have told McCain to remain a moderate and not follow the tea party Koolaid. The Republicans were getting hit left and right with sex scandals and McCain was probably one of the few Republicans during that time that was respected on both sides... But the tea party had completely highjacked that party and his team felt that they needed him to be more aggressive.. Which made McCain look stupid and completely out of touch.

2. Sarah Palin was easily the worst vice presidential candidate that I've ever seen ... and with Mccain's age folks were terrified that she was one heart attack away from having her finger on some nukes.

John McCain was not a moderate. He was a Barry Goldwater republican.
Now he may have seem like a moderate compared to crazy tea party types but he was a conservative nonetheless.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

No. I have solar. The law is that even though I have solar, I'm still attached to FPL. So even during power outage, the solar will be out as well. So we are not allowed to run solar during power outage. Of course they lobbied the government to write the law like that

That hang up is why we decided to wait. Didnt seem worth it until I can "bank" the energy collected and run off the grid, as we tend to have more outages in my hood than normal.

 

[durham]

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This is the dude that went to Germany to visit a Hitler heritage site, and yet he claims he isn't a racist

 

[Dannyblueyes]

my exact sentiments !

Joe could've really drug this orange fog !

Biden's main goal was to show the difference in character between himself and Donald Trump. How would it have looked if he had been equally cruel and vicious? Think of how many how many former Trump supporters would have rejoined the pack to support their dear leader against the mean Democrats and unfair media.

Besides, Joe Biden ethered him so much that it would have been like spraying bullets into a corpse. Nothing more than a waste of ammo that could be better used later.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Biden's main goal was to show the difference in character between himself and Donald Trump. How would it have looked if he had been equally cruel and vicious? Think of how many how many former Trump supporters would have rejoined the pack to support their dear leader against the mean Democrats and unfair media.

Besides, Joe Biden ethered him so much that it would have been like spraying bullets into a corpse. Nothing more than a waste of ammo that could be better used later.

Facts.... All Biden had to do was show that I'm not like this dude and I want to unify.

 

[muckraker10021]

U.S.
Wall Street Journal Newsroom Found NO Joe Biden Role in
Hunter Deals After Reviewing Bobulinski's Records
BY DANIEL VILLARREAL ON 10/22/20 AT 11:58 PM EDT

https://www.newsweek.com/wsj-newsro...s-after-reviewing-bobulinskis-records-1541553

The Wall Street Journal newsroom has found that texts and emails recently given to the publication by Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner of Hunter Biden, the son of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, provide no evidence that Joe ever used his political standing as a former vice president to aid Hunter's business dealings in China.
The publication initially reported on Bobulinski's records in its opinion section with author Kimberley A. Strassel stating that Bobulinski claimed to have met Joe to discuss Hunter's Chinese business dealings.
Bobulinski also said that in a May 2017 email, Hunter sought to get Joe 10 percent equity from Sinohawk Holdings, a holding company in which Bobulinski served as CEO and which sought a joint venture with the Chinese oil company CEFC China Energy.
Following the publication of the opinion article, Wall Street Journal reporters Andrew Duehren and James T. Areddy wrote a news article stating, "The venture—set up in 2017 after Mr. Biden left the vice presidency and before his presidential campaign—never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter. Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden."

 

[easy_b]

 

[BKF]

Wow...this guy is a straight up child. The competency of this country is on the line for this election. There is no way that republicans should be able to remain in power with their complicity with the continued un presidential behavior and actions.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Two things...

1. Make space ... never heard of them but they dropped an Ether commercial


2. That Im the least racist comment is definitely coming back...

I found the commercial -- ether --

 

[lazarus]

In other news it’s a wrap for rudy




It was already a wrap but damn. Not a good look

he can say it was staged and he knew ahead of time. too much wiggle room in a film bro

 

[T_Holmes]

When he talks like this domestically, it's a shame. When he does it in front of the world and with world leaders, it's embarrassing.

If he were just an asshole, that would be bad, but just the fact that he assumes that everyone else is as much of an asshole as he is... is embarrassing.

And the real scary part is that he can't help himself. Clearly if he could be held in check, he would be. because it would make sense.

 

[Alex_J]

Its frustrating that there isn't any daily program dedicated to black news anymore. I enjoyed hearing news and debate recaps based upon the black perspective. This is sad.

Additionally, it is equally frustrating that most news outlets are leaning right or left. Noone is in the middle just talking facts and omitting opinions.

The biggest misperception in American politics is that being in the middle means you're free of bias.

 

[Alex_J]

 

[rude_dog]

Wow! That’s really fucking pathetic. I know it just endears him to the fox idiots more but I bet the rest of the world took notice.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Trying to counter every bit of Trump's lies and bs is what Trump wanted Biden to do. It's a fools errand because you end up on the defense and not getting the points you want people to hear across.

Its almost like you niggas cant read. I didnt say address every lie. But i pointed out ones he absolutely should have addressed as well as saying he should have limited those rebuts to 30 second openings on his clock. Its ok to look at some of this shit objectively fellas..

If you think its cool for Biden to smile as Trump constantly says he got 3.5 million from foreign nations and not even attempt to call bullshit then you's a dam fool.

 

[fonzerrillii]

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Coming back to this because I didn't see it on the website ...

and that's cause they went back and changed the language but the internet always remembers

 

[geechiedan]

Its almost like you niggas cant read. I didnt say address every lie. But i pointed out ones he absolutely should have addressed as well as saying he should have limited those rebuts to 30 second openings on his clock. Its ok to look at some of this shit objectively fellas..

If you think its cool for Biden to smile as Trump constantly says he got 3.5 million from foreign nations and not even attempt to call bullshit then you's a dam fool.

that's what surrogates are for.... and honest journalists...anyone that's actually bothering to pay attention to the debates and still on the fence is intelligent enough to do their own due diligence on whats what the candidates.

 

[gdatruth]

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[sumofyallniggasisbitches2]

Transition to solar wind and geothermal in 30 years is not a slip up.

I work in the oilfield and we are currently building windmills offshore as the industry is transitioning.

The reason it's not happening faster is the companies need legislation in place to tax the sun, wind and earth.

They already tax the shit in South Africa. Think Mr. Burns on the Simpson's.

How do they tax it????

 

[Amajorfucup]

that's what surrogates are for.... and honest journalists...anyone that's actually bothering to pay attention to the debates and still on the fence is intelligent enough to do their own due diligence on whats what the candidates.

4 years in and where are all these surrogates and honest journalists? Its a forum for debate. No better place to engage and rebutt than there. Nobodies watching a debate to go do fucking research afterwards. The entire purpose is to spectate and assess discourse and ability to retort on your feet.

You don't let a liar go unchecked in this forum nonstop. You cats sound silly.

 

[geechiedan]

4 years in and where are all these surrogates and honest journalists? Its a forum for debate. No better place to engage and rebutt than there. Nobodies watching a debate to go do fucking research afterwards. The entire purpose is to spectate and assess discourse and ability to retort on your feet.

You don't let a liar go unchecked in this forum nonstop. You cats sound silly.

nigga do you watch anything other than rightwing media??? People have been calling out trumps lies since day one...the fact that YOU KNOW and you're not even voting for biden shows his lies are easily seen. And anyone watching the debate has already made up their mind. They just wanted to see if this one would be another shitshow.

 

[code_pirahna]

Wait, that old white guy is her husband? I'm guessing dude is rich, every bitch wants a come up no matter how educated they are.

She is 44 y/o I am wondering his age?

 

[Amajorfucup]

nigga do you watch anything other than rightwing media??? People have been calling out trumps lies since day one...the fact that YOU KNOW and you're not even voting for biden shows his lies are easily seen. And anyone watching the debate has already made up their mind. They just wanted to see if this one would be another shitshow.

Im talking about the debate. You continue to double down on all these secondary sources after the fact. Its called a debate nigga! How about actually debating and engaging on allegations in real time. Sitting there smiling like a senile senior on grand finale nite was clown shit. Biden fell short and allowed the guy to lob wild accusations unchecked. Not sure why pointing that out makes you niggas feelings hurt.

 

[geechiedan]

Im talking about the debate. You continue to double down on all these secondary sources after the fact. Its called a debate nigga! How about actually debating and engaging on allegations in real time. Sitting there smiling like a senile senior on grand finale nite was clown shit. Biden fell short and allowed the guy to lob wild accusations unchecked. Not sure why pointing that out makes you niggas feelings hurt.

listen to what you're saying..you think trump won the debate because he obviously lied and biden didn't engage it.

maybe because the last time donald the pretender said some bullshit joe called him a clown and people said it was a shitshow. Maybe joe didn't pick up on it because he was thinking about responding to some other bullshit trump said lord knows he says so many.

but here's the question: DO YOU Amajorfucup BELEIVE DONALD TRUMP IS A BETTER DEBATER THAN JOE BIDEN AND MADE THE CASE FOR WHY HE NEEDS TO BE RE-ELECTED. DO YOU PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT?

 

[rude_dog]

I actually thought Trump "won" the debate. Biden just left too much unrebutted for me. Missed way too many opportunities to trounce. Particularly on his empty promises (lies) to release his taxes and having a Obamacare replacement on deck. He should have called him out as the pathological liar he is. I felt the same way about Kamala and her debate tho.

listen to what you're saying..you think trump won the debate because he obviously lied and biden didn't engage it.

maybe because the last time donald the pretender said some bullshit joe called him a clown and people said it was a shitshow. Maybe joe didn't pick up on it because he was thinking about responding to so other bullshit trump said lord knows he says so many.

but here's the question: DO YOU Amajorfucup BELEIVE DONALD TRUMP IS A BETTER DEBATER THAN JOE BIDEN AND MADE THE CASE FOR WHY HE NEEDS TO BE RE-ELECTED. DO YOU PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT?

I see your point that Biden didn't rebut the numerous lies that Trump spieled. He just spewed so many lies, you just can't spend all your time correcting him. Trump literally has no regard for the truth, he is mentally ill. I think Biden missed several opportunities to crush Trump. When Trump mentioned the stock market, Biden should have replied how Wall Street is predicting that Biden's plan is better. I think Biden went into it wanting to show how different they were, to demonstrate empathy and competence against where there was none.

I don't think Trump won. but he gave the base which he already had red meat. I don't think he gained any votes which he needed to do. I think Kristen Welker did a decent job, better than Chris Wallace but not as good as they're giving her credit for. Trump started out respectful but once he figured out they weren't going to mute him, he went at it. Trump is an impetuous child, he pokes and prods until he gets spanked.

To use a boxing metaphor, I think Biden won a boring 12 round decision with better technical skills. Trumps was menacing, swinging wildly, but never landing anything. It was like watching a superior fighter content to win the fight with just the jab when you want to see a knockout.

I don't say this to be rude, I'm not insinuating anything and we may actually be on the same page but I can see how a dumb person could think that Trump won. He was loud, obnoxious, he lied and he made a lot of false accusations. A lot of people are easy marks.

 

[Amajorfucup]

but here's the question: DO YOU Amajorfucup BELEIVE DONALD TRUMP IS A BETTER DEBATER THAN JOE BIDEN AND MADE THE CASE FOR WHY HE NEEDS TO BE RE-ELECTED. DO YOU PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT?

No. But i never said any of this. My point was my point. I dont think he "won" last nites debate.

 

[BKF]

I see your point that Biden didn't rebut the numerous lies that Trump spieled. He just spewed so many lies, you just can't spend all your time correcting him. Trump literally has no regard for the truth, he is mentally ill. I think Biden missed several opportunities to crush Trump. When Trump mentioned the stock market, Biden should have replied how Wall Street is predicting that Biden's plan is better. I think Biden went into it wanting to show how different they were, to demonstrate empathy and competence against where there was none.

I don't think Trump won. but he gave the base which he already had red meat. I don't think he gained any votes which he needed to do. I think Kristen Welker did a decent job, better than Chris Wallace but not as good as they're giving her credit for. Trump started out respectful but once he figured out they weren't going to mute him, he went at it. Trump is an impetuous child, he pokes and prods until he gets spanked.

To use a boxing metaphor, I think Biden won a boring 12 round decision with better technical skills. Trumps was menacing, swinging wildly, but never landing anything. It was like watching a superior fighter content to win the fight with just the jab when you want to see a knockout.

I don't say this to be rude, I'm not insinuating anything and we may actually be on the same page but I can see how a dumb person could think that Trump won. He was loud, obnoxious, he lied and he made a lot of false accusations. A lot of people are easy marks.

I like your style

 

[darth frosty]