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I’ve got to know the story behind the cut on his face. It’s all they talked about last season.
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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. doesn't forget about its characters, even while setting up the finale
Liz Shannon Miller
Friday 8:00pm
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If there’s one lesson to be learned from genre fiction, it’s this: nothing good ever happens in an ancient temple. It’s a lesson learned the hard way by Yo-Yo and Mack in this week’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., though to be fair Izel gives them very little choice about traveling to the Yucatan as she prepares to open up a portal to her realm of non-corporeal beings.
“From The Ashes” is a notably bloody installment of this show, especially given its 8 p.m. on ABC timeslot — even though death is a fairly common occurrence here, there’s “a guy takes a bullet” and then there’s “dude gets a bowie knife jammed into his neck.” Oh, and factor in Skye breaking Sarge’s neck (cue the obligatory South Park reference: “Oh my god! You killed Coulson! You bastards!”) and it’s not a particularly family-friendly episode.
At least, that is, on a content level. Emotionally, however, the core of the story is about Daisy confronting her grief over losing her father figure... until, that is, the real Phil Coulson manages to emerge, reveals that as harsh as the let’s-try-killing-him-again plan was, it had actually worked, giving the team new hope that their beloved leader might be able to return.
MARVEL'S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.SEASON 6
"From the Ashes"
B+
EPISODE
11
Clark Gregg hasn’t been asked to do much recently beyond play the heavy (something he’s come to do quite well) but the moment he calls Daisy “Skye,” it’s not just an important plot reveal, but a tour de force for Gregg as an actor, one which also brings out the best in Chloe Bennet; the mix of vulnerability, fear, anger and ultimately love leads to one of the most emotionally affecting scenes of the season.
In fact, overall this was a very strong episode for the actors of S.H.I.E.L.D.—while last week, some of the cast struggled a bit to communicate when, exactly, they were being possessed by Izel, this week both Natalia Cordova-Buckley and Henry Simmons made their transitions convincing—in particular, Simmons’ abrupt shift in the opening scene (while relatively predictable) was especially sharp. In addition, guest star Barry Shabaka Henley took a scene which could have been silly or overwrought in its execution, and gave his face-to-face confrontation with his deceased husband (courtesy of the monolith powers harnessed by the gravitonium device) a grounded realness that brought out the horror of the moment.
This was also an episode that invoked more than one memory of other Whedonverse projects (which proved interesting, as S.H.I.E.L.D. at times feels very separate from that world, despite Joss Whedon’s name in the credits as executive producer and the showrunners being longtime collaborators/family). A less subtle show would have shown the contents of Coulson’s letter to Daisy, maybe even with a Gregg-performed voice-over. Instead, all that’s needed here is her reaction to reading it for the first time, followed by a conversation with May about how helping Sarge (or whoever he might be at this point) falls in line with the fact that “all Coulson wanted was for us to take care of each other.”
Plus, another Whedonverse moment: Was I the only one who, watching Daisy walk down the hallway with this special sword, thought back to that part of Serenity where Mr. Universe (David Krumholtz) records his final message: “Guy killed me with a sword, Mal. How weird is that?” Probably. But still, swords in this context (really, swords in any context outside of medieval fantasy stories) are more than a little funny.
So much of “From The Ashes” is built on character moments that also function as set-up for the finale, which feels more than appropriate at this point in the season. This especially applies to Yo-Yo and Mack’s storyline, which, while not exactly revolutionary, does feature the characters trying to address their relationship like grown-ups. Which is probably good news, given the cliffhanger return of someone who appears to be Flint, the young man from the alternate future whose full backstory never got revealed before — meaning that there’s a real chance he’s got a bigger (Deke and FitzSimmons-esque?) connection to Yo-Yo and Mack than anticipated.
Stray Observations
Liz Shannon Miller
Friday 8:00pm
Filed to: RECAP
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Photo: ABC/Mitch Haaseth
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If there’s one lesson to be learned from genre fiction, it’s this: nothing good ever happens in an ancient temple. It’s a lesson learned the hard way by Yo-Yo and Mack in this week’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., though to be fair Izel gives them very little choice about traveling to the Yucatan as she prepares to open up a portal to her realm of non-corporeal beings.
“From The Ashes” is a notably bloody installment of this show, especially given its 8 p.m. on ABC timeslot — even though death is a fairly common occurrence here, there’s “a guy takes a bullet” and then there’s “dude gets a bowie knife jammed into his neck.” Oh, and factor in Skye breaking Sarge’s neck (cue the obligatory South Park reference: “Oh my god! You killed Coulson! You bastards!”) and it’s not a particularly family-friendly episode.
At least, that is, on a content level. Emotionally, however, the core of the story is about Daisy confronting her grief over losing her father figure... until, that is, the real Phil Coulson manages to emerge, reveals that as harsh as the let’s-try-killing-him-again plan was, it had actually worked, giving the team new hope that their beloved leader might be able to return.
MARVEL'S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.SEASON 6
"From the Ashes"
B+
EPISODE
11
Clark Gregg hasn’t been asked to do much recently beyond play the heavy (something he’s come to do quite well) but the moment he calls Daisy “Skye,” it’s not just an important plot reveal, but a tour de force for Gregg as an actor, one which also brings out the best in Chloe Bennet; the mix of vulnerability, fear, anger and ultimately love leads to one of the most emotionally affecting scenes of the season.
In fact, overall this was a very strong episode for the actors of S.H.I.E.L.D.—while last week, some of the cast struggled a bit to communicate when, exactly, they were being possessed by Izel, this week both Natalia Cordova-Buckley and Henry Simmons made their transitions convincing—in particular, Simmons’ abrupt shift in the opening scene (while relatively predictable) was especially sharp. In addition, guest star Barry Shabaka Henley took a scene which could have been silly or overwrought in its execution, and gave his face-to-face confrontation with his deceased husband (courtesy of the monolith powers harnessed by the gravitonium device) a grounded realness that brought out the horror of the moment.
This was also an episode that invoked more than one memory of other Whedonverse projects (which proved interesting, as S.H.I.E.L.D. at times feels very separate from that world, despite Joss Whedon’s name in the credits as executive producer and the showrunners being longtime collaborators/family). A less subtle show would have shown the contents of Coulson’s letter to Daisy, maybe even with a Gregg-performed voice-over. Instead, all that’s needed here is her reaction to reading it for the first time, followed by a conversation with May about how helping Sarge (or whoever he might be at this point) falls in line with the fact that “all Coulson wanted was for us to take care of each other.”
Plus, another Whedonverse moment: Was I the only one who, watching Daisy walk down the hallway with this special sword, thought back to that part of Serenity where Mr. Universe (David Krumholtz) records his final message: “Guy killed me with a sword, Mal. How weird is that?” Probably. But still, swords in this context (really, swords in any context outside of medieval fantasy stories) are more than a little funny.
So much of “From The Ashes” is built on character moments that also function as set-up for the finale, which feels more than appropriate at this point in the season. This especially applies to Yo-Yo and Mack’s storyline, which, while not exactly revolutionary, does feature the characters trying to address their relationship like grown-ups. Which is probably good news, given the cliffhanger return of someone who appears to be Flint, the young man from the alternate future whose full backstory never got revealed before — meaning that there’s a real chance he’s got a bigger (Deke and FitzSimmons-esque?) connection to Yo-Yo and Mack than anticipated.
Stray Observations
- Meanwhile, In Space: The recent choice to use the final scenes of episodes for catching up with what’s going on with the Chronicons is a bit of a mixed bag — on the one hand, the encroaching threat is clearly going to be important to the finale; on the other hand, every time, it seems to come somewhat out of nowhere. The fact that Atarah has been taken out of the picture (and Malachi’s hunters “have their new targets,” which will probably include some folks we know already) is an important plot point, most likely, but it lacks a certain punch as far as episode endings go.
- Deke’s tiger jacket freaking ruled. Really, all tiger jackets are great, but this one was especially nice.
- “I meant try a little emotional honesty — not murder.” Simmons, you probably should have been more specific.
- This Week in Shameless FitzSimmons Appreciation: Nothing super-romantic this week, but Deke’s addition to “Team FitzSimmons” for the first time really gelled, with the trio overcoming the innate oddness of their situation to prove that their individual geniuses can come together to achieve the impossible. The subtle moment when Deke (after previously worrying that his biological grandfather might not like him that much) took genuine pride in Fitz’s approval of his breakthrough was the sort of character touch this show handles well.
- On a show where, so often, the extreme and surreal gets casually accepted, it’s nice to have a character like Benson show up with just a slight sense of befuddlement over these scenarios. “It’s been a bit of an adventure,” he says to Izel. No freaking kidding, professor.
Let’s do this
No clue how Shaw got all of these people in the shield base... but whatever season finale time
That
“You jumped away”
Had me in tears
“You jumped away”
Had me in tears
Hahahahaha zombies in shield.
Gawd damn... nooooooooo
What the shit....
Thank gawd this is 2hours
What the shit....
Thank gawd this is 2hours
Gawd damn they have to deal with Chronicons... Jesus
I mean this show could go on three to five more years
Man they got yo-yo to...
Gawd damn this is too much.
I can’t take this shit
Gawd damn this is too much.
I can’t take this shit
What the heck... May is walking around like ain’t shit happened
Gawd damn
Not YoYo
Not YoYo
what the fuck is going on
Oh shit they changed something
What the fuck... is going on
Yooooo what the fuck is going on
Shut the front door!!
Did they go back to 1920’s New York...
Does that mean possible Agent carter appearance!!!
Did they go back to 1920’s New York...
Does that mean possible Agent carter appearance!!!
Hold up... a Coulson LMD
And they are in the past...
Gawd damn...!!
I mean this is like 3 seasons of material.
And they are in the past...
Gawd damn...!!
I mean this is like 3 seasons of material.
Got started late, just getting to this part
Ive literally had this thought for the whole fucking season...
AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!
mind
Ive literally had this thought for the whole fucking season...
AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!
mind
I mean.... I think they have to bring in Peggy for this final season.
You have to do it for the fans... everything seems set up for them to be the ones to create shield.
Man what if we find out that the modern Shield was based on the Team from Agents of Shield.
That would be awesome.
so the show runners are saying that they are in 1931... so that quickly takes away my agent carter dreams.
OK I'm about to go in
I ain't read ANYTHING in this thread yet...
How good WAS it??!!!
Yeah.
This team will be the founders of what will become known as S.H.I.E.L.D. And that's when Agent Carter will come in ultimately.
That's my observation anyway. Especially going back to the 1930s. The almost completed Empire State Building was practically a dead giveaway to me.
It'll be interesting how May, Mack, and YoYo will fit in considering the racial dynamic of that period. If Whedon and company will make that one point that is.
This team will be the founders of what will become known as S.H.I.E.L.D. And that's when Agent Carter will come in ultimately.
That's my observation anyway. Especially going back to the 1930s. The almost completed Empire State Building was practically a dead giveaway to me.
It'll be interesting how May, Mack, and YoYo will fit in considering the racial dynamic of that period. If Whedon and company will make that one point that is.
Entertainment
Agents of SHIELD creators discuss season 6 finale's big reveal
From Digital Spy
Note: This article contains spoilers for Marvel's Agents of SHIELD's season 6 finale, which aired in the US last night (August 2).
You might remember that at the end of Marvel's Agents of SHIELD season 5, Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg) died from the wound inflicted on him in The Avengers and everyone was suitably devastated.
Of course, the actor did return for the sixth season, but he was playing a new character called Sarge – who looked just like Coulson – and a lot of the season was spent unravelling that mystery (among many others).
It all got a bit complicated along the way, but by the final episode of the show's sixth season it was revealed that Sarge was actually a copy of Coulson, created when Coulson contained a time rift using the Time, Space, and Creation monoliths in season 5, who was sent back in time and to a different point in space.
Although May and Daisy held out hope they would be able to defeat the otherworldly demon possessing the Coulson copy, Sarge died in the final episode and killed off any hope that the team could get Coulson back with him.
However, the team did manage to get a *version* of Coulson back by the episode's end, after it was revealed that a new version of Coulson had been created using Chronicum technology.
This Life-Model Decoy (LMD) has all of Coulson's own memories and has been upgraded with complete knowledge of everything he's missed too, meaning that, in essence, Coulson is officially back.
Speaking about what that means for the show going forward into its final season, showrunners Jed Whedon, Maurissa Tancharoen, and Jeff Bell have teased that there will be a lot of "adventures" as they explore the new dynamics.
"That's a great season 7 question," Bell teased when asked by Entertainment Weeklyhow the new LMD-Coulson differs to the Coulson we knew and loved.
"You're going to have to wait until next summer!" Whedon added.
Explaining their decision to kill off Sarge and bring back a Coulson copy, the showrunners all stressed that "there's no show without Clark [Gregg]", explaining that they knew the actor would have to come back in some capacity, but they also wanted to do the character justice.
Whedon said: "In introducing Sarge, we felt like we were left with a question: If you end up with Sarge being a good guy, then you end up with a watered-down version of the guy we loved, which we didn't want.
"If you end up with him staying a bad guy, we felt like we just played that for a season. So, there was a lot of discussion about what do we want to do with Clark and what do we want to do with Coulson, because we didn't want to buy back the end of season 5, which we liked. We wanted to honour that."
"Truthfully, we missed him," Tancharoen added. "Just like the team misses Coulson, we missed Coulson as well."
As a result, Whedon teased that there will be some unexpected twists to Coulson's return, adding: "So we thought for the audience and the writers and for him, it would be nice to bring him back — but, again, bringing him back as a 2.0 version.
"He'll have new stuff to play and there's new rules to his existence."
As for the finale's unexpected trip through time and what that means for season 7, Whedon added: "It means that we're going to have some adventures.
"It's safe to say that we're going back in time. Cue Huey Lewis!"
Marvel's Agents of SHIELD airs on ABC in the US, and on E4 in the UK and will return for season 7 in 2020.
Agents of SHIELD creators discuss season 6 finale's big reveal
From Digital Spy
Note: This article contains spoilers for Marvel's Agents of SHIELD's season 6 finale, which aired in the US last night (August 2).
You might remember that at the end of Marvel's Agents of SHIELD season 5, Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg) died from the wound inflicted on him in The Avengers and everyone was suitably devastated.
Of course, the actor did return for the sixth season, but he was playing a new character called Sarge – who looked just like Coulson – and a lot of the season was spent unravelling that mystery (among many others).
It all got a bit complicated along the way, but by the final episode of the show's sixth season it was revealed that Sarge was actually a copy of Coulson, created when Coulson contained a time rift using the Time, Space, and Creation monoliths in season 5, who was sent back in time and to a different point in space.
Although May and Daisy held out hope they would be able to defeat the otherworldly demon possessing the Coulson copy, Sarge died in the final episode and killed off any hope that the team could get Coulson back with him.
However, the team did manage to get a *version* of Coulson back by the episode's end, after it was revealed that a new version of Coulson had been created using Chronicum technology.
This Life-Model Decoy (LMD) has all of Coulson's own memories and has been upgraded with complete knowledge of everything he's missed too, meaning that, in essence, Coulson is officially back.
Speaking about what that means for the show going forward into its final season, showrunners Jed Whedon, Maurissa Tancharoen, and Jeff Bell have teased that there will be a lot of "adventures" as they explore the new dynamics.
"That's a great season 7 question," Bell teased when asked by Entertainment Weeklyhow the new LMD-Coulson differs to the Coulson we knew and loved.
"You're going to have to wait until next summer!" Whedon added.
Explaining their decision to kill off Sarge and bring back a Coulson copy, the showrunners all stressed that "there's no show without Clark [Gregg]", explaining that they knew the actor would have to come back in some capacity, but they also wanted to do the character justice.
Whedon said: "In introducing Sarge, we felt like we were left with a question: If you end up with Sarge being a good guy, then you end up with a watered-down version of the guy we loved, which we didn't want.
"If you end up with him staying a bad guy, we felt like we just played that for a season. So, there was a lot of discussion about what do we want to do with Clark and what do we want to do with Coulson, because we didn't want to buy back the end of season 5, which we liked. We wanted to honour that."
"Truthfully, we missed him," Tancharoen added. "Just like the team misses Coulson, we missed Coulson as well."
As a result, Whedon teased that there will be some unexpected twists to Coulson's return, adding: "So we thought for the audience and the writers and for him, it would be nice to bring him back — but, again, bringing him back as a 2.0 version.
"He'll have new stuff to play and there's new rules to his existence."
As for the finale's unexpected trip through time and what that means for season 7, Whedon added: "It means that we're going to have some adventures.
"It's safe to say that we're going back in time. Cue Huey Lewis!"
Marvel's Agents of SHIELD airs on ABC in the US, and on E4 in the UK and will return for season 7 in 2020.
My oldest don't listen to me either
Damn Flint.
Damn Flint.
I understand wanting your father /grandfather ti be proud.
Nothing like it.
Wizard Deke
Nothing like it.
Wizard Deke
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Coulson needs a damn Emmy nomination
Thos level of long term intersecting story telling has been a damn masterwork