Offshore Trusts, Accounts & Tax Arrangements: Best solution for Black entrepreneurs/businesses

GAMETHEORY

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I meant to say Black owned businesses.

Its a little known secret of how whites are getting wealthier by the day.

when I say “offshore,” I obviously am not referring to offshore oil drilling. I am also not talking about “offshoring,” which is what happens when a company moves a manufacturing plant or, say, a call center from the United States to India or China, perhaps to save on labor costs.

When I say “offshore,” I am talking about the artificial movement or use of moneyacross borders, and about the jurisdictions, commonly known as tax havens, that host and facilitate this activity. Once the money has escaped offshore, it is reclassified in an accountant’s ledger and it assumes a different identity—and that means, very often, that the forces of law and order will never find it.

One of the first things to understand about offshore business is that it is, at heart, about artificially manipulating paper trails of money across borders. To get an idea of how artificial it can be, consider the banana.


A bunch of bananas typically takes two routes into your home: a real route and an artificial offshore paper trail.







On the first route a Honduran worker, say, is employed by Big Banana, a U.S. multinational I’ve just invented, to pick the bananas, which are then packaged and shipped to Britain, sold to a supermarket, and sold on to a customer.


The second route—the accountants’ paper trail—is different. When a banana is picked in Honduras and shipped to Britain and sold, where are the final profits generated? In Honduras? In the British supermarket? In the multinational’s U.S. head office? And how do you work this out? How much do the corporation’s management expertise, or the brand name, or the insurance, or the accounting business, contribute to profits and costs? Which country ought to tax each component of the final profit? Nobody can say for sure, so the accountants can, up to a point, decide for themselves.


Here, in simple form, is what they might do. They advise Big Banana to run its purchasing network from, say, the Cayman Islands, and put a financial services subsidiary in Luxembourg.


The Big Banana brand might be parked in Ireland; its shipping subsidiary in the Isle of Man; it might locate certain parts of its “management expertise” in Jersey, and its insurance arm in Bermuda. All are tax havens.


Next, each part of this multinational charges the other parts for the services they provide.


So Big Banana’s Luxembourg finance subsidiary might lend money to Big Banana Honduras, then charge that Latin American subsidiary $10 million per year in interest payments for that loan.

The Honduran subsidiary will deduct this $10 million from its local profits, cutting or wiping out its local profits (and consequently its tax bill) there. The Luxembourg finance subsidiary, however, will record this $10 million as income—but because Luxembourg is a tax haven, it pays no taxes on this.


With a wave of an accountant’s wand, a hefty tax bill has disappeared. Who is to say that the $10 million charged by Big Banana Luxembourg is the real going rate—or just an accountant’s invention? Quite often it is hard to tell, although sometimes these prices are adjusted so aggressively that they lose all sense of reality:

A kilo of toilet paper from China has been sold for $4,000, a liter of apple juice has been sold out of Israel at $2,00, and a ballpoint pen has been recorded leaving Trinidad valued at $8,000.


Though most examples are far less blatant than this, the cumulative total of these shenanigans is vast. About two-thirds of global cross-border world trade happens inside multinational corporations. And it is poor countries in particular, with their underpaid tax officials, that always lose out to multinationals’ aggressive, highly paid accountants.

What Big Banana has done here is transfer pricing (or mispricing), a common offshore trick...or one can call it the corporate equivalent of the secret offshore accounts of individual tax dodgers.

The general idea is that by adjusting its internal prices a multinational can shift profits offshore, where they pay little or no tax, and shift the costs onshore, where they are deducted against tax. In the banana example, tax revenue has been drained out of a poor country and into a tax haven and funneled through to the wealthy owners of a multinational corporation.

So why should black owned businesses play by the rules while the entire game has been rigged?
 
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Because black owned business don't work as a team, remember if you're not IN, you're out. The one thing that is clear as water is the fact that they work as a team by putting a lot of money in the right pockets so everyone gets a cut.

Black business owner for the most part don't think like that, and that is a fact.
 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

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How many black corporations have a global footing? American firms who dont have an international accounting team arent the only ones getting screwed over. French companies are wondering how a foreign Google can get preferential treatment over the native businesses.
 

incogneg

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Hey Gametheory, good read but...

Just not sure how this is a useful post and can even be more harm than good... Tax evasion is a serious offense and isn't something that should be toyed with by 'amateurs' or anyone with strong ties (no dual citizenship) to the US--the most aggressive international tax claimant in the world....

For a black business to be able to take advantage of this wouldn't they need to sell some kinds of goods/service overseas? IF that is the case they would already be aware of some of this... They would also need to have some sort of presence (whether they pay trusted accomplices or go themselves--costly ventures in themselves) overseas? How much revenue do you think a company needs to make for this venture to be worthwhile?

From my understanding multinationals with large presences in the US are doing a ton of these cross border transactions because American companies are making more money than ever before in emerging markets (sometimes more than 50% of their revenues)... The issues they have with these transactions revolve around the fact that they have a hard time bringing their profits back into the US (they'll be double-taxed, paying taxed in the country they do their business and back again in the US). So they have to keep reinvesting the cash overseas...

...Don't you think this transfer pricing is more useful for companies that are primarily overseas, run by 'international' blacks who may do significant business stateside but have stronger ties outside the US?... Just some thoughts....
 

Give Me 3ft.

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fuck all that reading shit, huh! :smh:

I got a cousin who works for diamond. Dude is banking cash. He works in Vietnam and makes over $100,000 a year. They pay for his flights to work. Dude got his own crew and everything. Dude just build on to his house for christmas, got a new Toyota Tacoma and his wife a new car. I got another cousin who worked offshore and in the milltary. He was injured on duty and retire from both the army and offshore. He is living good.

Down here are many ways to go offshore. Oil, tug boats, seafood, and cooking.
 

Give Me 3ft.

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Hey Gametheory, good read but...

Just not sure how this is a useful post and can even be more harm than good... Tax evasion is a serious offense and isn't something that should be toyed with by 'amateurs' or anyone with strong ties (no dual citizenship) to the US--the most aggressive international tax claimant in the world....

For a black business to be able to take advantage of this wouldn't they need to sell some kinds of goods/service overseas? IF that is the case they would already be aware of some of this... They would also need to have some sort of presence (whether they pay trusted accomplices or go themselves--costly ventures in themselves) overseas? How much revenue do you think a company needs to make for this venture to be worthwhile?

From my understanding multinationals with large presences in the US are doing a ton of these cross border transactions because American companies are making more money than ever before in emerging markets (sometimes more than 50% of their revenues)... The issues they have with these transactions revolve around the fact that they have a hard time bringing their profits back into the US (they'll be double-taxed, paying taxed in the country they do their business and back again in the US). So they have to keep reinvesting the cash overseas...

...Don't you think this transfer pricing is more useful for companies that are primarily overseas, run by 'international' blacks who may do significant business stateside but have stronger ties outside the US?... Just some thoughts....

very valid points.
 

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Hey Gametheory, good read but...

Just not sure how this is a useful post and can even be more harm than good... Tax evasion is a serious offense and isn't something that should be toyed with by 'amateurs' or anyone with strong ties (no dual citizenship) to the US--the most aggressive international tax claimant in the world....

For a black business to be able to take advantage of this wouldn't they need to sell some kinds of goods/service overseas? IF that is the case they would already be aware of some of this... They would also need to have some sort of presence (whether they pay trusted accomplices or go themselves--costly ventures in themselves) overseas? How much revenue do you think a company needs to make for this venture to be worthwhile?

From my understanding multinationals with large presences in the US are doing a ton of these cross border transactions because American companies are making more money than ever before in emerging markets (sometimes more than 50% of their revenues)... The issues they have with these transactions revolve around the fact that they have a hard time bringing their profits back into the US (they'll be double-taxed, paying taxed in the country they do their business and back again in the US). So they have to keep reinvesting the cash overseas...

...Don't you think this transfer pricing is more useful for companies that are primarily overseas, run by 'international' blacks who may do significant business stateside but have stronger ties outside the US?... Just some thoughts....

Great Points, It Seems You Would Need To Have A Major International Presence In Order To Take Advantage Of This.
 

Cock Head Jones

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Not sure how this applies to the avg black business owner in the states but it's still Interesting...

OP can you post the link where u got that excerpt from?
 

bborn

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Hey Gametheory, good read but...

Just not sure how this is a useful post and can even be more harm than good... Tax evasion is a serious offense and isn't something that should be toyed with by 'amateurs' or anyone with strong ties (no dual citizenship) to the US--the most aggressive international tax claimant in the world....

For a black business to be able to take advantage of this wouldn't they need to sell some kinds of goods/service overseas? IF that is the case they would already be aware of some of this... They would also need to have some sort of presence (whether they pay trusted accomplices or go themselves--costly ventures in themselves) overseas? How much revenue do you think a company needs to make for this venture to be worthwhile?

From my understanding multinationals with large presences in the US are doing a ton of these cross border transactions because American companies are making more money than ever before in emerging markets (sometimes more than 50% of their revenues)... The issues they have with these transactions revolve around the fact that they have a hard time bringing their profits back into the US (they'll be double-taxed, paying taxed in the country they do their business and back again in the US). So they have to keep reinvesting the cash overseas...

...Don't you think this transfer pricing is more useful for companies that are primarily overseas, run by 'international' blacks who may do significant business stateside but have stronger ties outside the US?... Just some thoughts....

Would rather 'play' by the 'rules' with the right tools as you have suggessted above over trying to question the so called 'validity' of the pimp game that keeps rolling no matter what you may think.

What Big Banana has done here is transfer pricing (or mispricing), a common offshore trick that Senator Carl Levin once called “the corporate equivalent of the secret offshore accounts of individual tax dodgers.”

The general idea is that by adjusting its internal prices a multinational can shift profits offshore, where they pay little or no tax, and shift the costs onshore, where they are deducted against tax. In the banana example, tax revenue has been drained out of a poor country and into a tax haven and funneled through to the wealthy owners of a multinational corporation.
 

Dr. Truth

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another one! this is why things are so fucked up!

lazy ass people who take shit on face value, who never scratch under the

surface. but that didnt even have to do that, just read! :smh::puke::smh:

Fuck outta here missing my sarcasm, go launder your money and enjoy that prison time.
 

incogneg

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Great Points, It Seems You Would Need To Have A Major International Presence In Order To Take Advantage Of This.

Not neccessarily... For instance (someone correct me if i'm wrong)...

Lets say you had a service comany (consulting company) based in the US. Lets say you got a 250K project to do some consulting work in Africa. You are paid locally by the govt or whatever organization you do work with overseas. For tax purposes you want to expense things stateside (travel, etc), although you have already negotiated expenses paid by the client (win). However you don't want profits taxes stateside (assuming you have to pay tax in country in africa as well. To do this you will need to setup a local bank account, incorporate your company locally, or have some kind of local citizenship. The problem that arises is the day you want to move that 250K back into the US for something. That's where the trickery comes in handy, otherwise you'll be taxed again....

... BUT... for that kind of money i don't think it's worth it Fucking with Uncle Sam, if the US is where you're from, and where you hope to be long term...

Also from my limited understanding tax havens are becoming fewer and fewer IF you open accounts with your US passport (as an individual)... As a matter of fact many banks will no longer take your money if you are a US citizen...
 

incogneg

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Would rather 'play' by the 'rules' with the right tools as you have suggessted above over trying to question the so called 'validity' of the pimp game that keeps rolling no matter what you may think.

It's hard for rich men to get into heaven... But I think there are a lot of 'tools' that so many of us will never be privy to... I think it's great to hear about these ideas (to open minds) but still stay in your lane until you're ready... So many folks are gun shy after being burned by the get-rich-quick real estate scams, which was a good lesson...

...You need to be 'advanced' to even think about playing these advanced games... And even then cats get burned... But I think It's the thrill, and the greed... Life's short, so I'm sure it can be a thrill making tons of dough--tax free...

Shit I was just thinking about this today... Payroll taxes are going up... If you're a W2 employee, assuming you can have a stable career at a good company (a rarity these days) you'll be ok, but if you do want wealth, it won't ever happen that way... odds aren't great...
 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

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Not sure how this applies to the avg black business owner in the states but it's still Interesting...

OP can you post the link where u got that excerpt from?

The reality is that black firms should make a concerted effort to land an international account and proceed very cautiously.
 

incogneg

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The reality is that black firms should make a concerted effort to land an international account and proceed very cautiously.

Black American firms are on it... Just not a lot of 'us' that even have the skillset/background to play in those waters... But cats are on it....
 

UnoBetter2

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Nice Read, cool to see an intelligent discussion on the board for a change. Keep it coming because I'm learning some valuable stuff here. :cool:
 

Cock Head Jones

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The reality is that black firms should make a concerted effort to land an international account and proceed very cautiously.

the reality is that only a tiny subset of small business owners can benefit from this and they would have to be able to afford a helluva tax adviser, attorney and/ or cpa to help navigate this.

the advice he gave is similar to copying the chapter on open heart surgery out of a medschool textbook and changing a few words around to make it seem like he wrote it.

like i said interesting shit though. i wanna know what site or book the info comes from. prolly some other good shit wherever it came from...
 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

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the reality is that only a tiny subset of small business owners can benefit from this and they would have to be able to afford a helluva tax adviser, attorney and/ or cpa to help navigate this.

the advice he gave is similar to copying the chapter on open heart surgery out of a medschool textbook and changing a few words around to make it seem like he wrote it.

like i said interesting shit though. i wanna know what site or book the info comes from. prolly some other good shit wherever it came from...

I hope youre wrong. Within a year, I intend to set up an international accounting firm with some relative who specialize in this services.
 

Cock Head Jones

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I hope youre wrong. Within a year, I intend to set up an international accounting firm with some relative who specialize in this services.

u hope im wrong? ok.

i think that's a dope field if u have a way to diffrenciate urself from ur comp and have a strong network or way to drive new business. more power to ya.

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found the book. check page 13 halfway down. i bet its a useful/good read even if u dont actually put the shit to use. like 48 laws...
 

BigATLslim

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Great drop. I have talked about offshore for "us" on a personal finance level but you just took it to an entirely different level.

Hey Gametheory, good read but...

Just not sure how this is a useful post and can even be more harm than good... Tax evasion is a serious offense and isn't something that should be toyed with by 'amateurs' or anyone with strong ties (no dual citizenship) to the US--the most aggressive international tax claimant in the world....

For a black business to be able to take advantage of this wouldn't they need to sell some kinds of goods/service overseas? IF that is the case they would already be aware of some of this... They would also need to have some sort of presence (whether they pay trusted accomplices or go themselves--costly ventures in themselves) overseas? How much revenue do you think a company needs to make for this venture to be worthwhile?

From my understanding multinationals with large presences in the US are doing a ton of these cross border transactions because American companies are making more money than ever before in emerging markets (sometimes more than 50% of their revenues)... The issues they have with these transactions revolve around the fact that they have a hard time bringing their profits back into the US (they'll be double-taxed, paying taxed in the country they do their business and back again in the US). So they have to keep reinvesting the cash overseas...

...Don't you think this transfer pricing is more useful for companies that are primarily overseas, run by 'international' blacks who may do significant business stateside but have stronger ties outside the US?... Just some thoughts....
All of this very valid, but as for the bolded, it is "tax avoidance" when done properly.

Can't wait to see where this thread goes at the start of this New Year.:yes:
 
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