OnlyFans Will Be Pivoting AWAY From Porn In The New Year [UPDAT 8/25] The Porn Stays. Heaux please come back.

zod16

Rising Star
Registered
The thing about it is the hypocritical stance the bankers take...they frown on porn generated revenue...meanwhile they book sex tours in southeast asia and keep the redlight districts in nevada going. How many bankers and execs are onlyfans members???

fucking hypocrites:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:

Investment bankers, hedge funds, traders etc. are not involved in this shit. That is is like confusing a branch manager at your local Chase with a trader a JP Morgan. It is "conservative" groups like National Center on Sexual Exploitation and Exodus Cry who lobby Visa, Mastercard etc. They are just like the anti-abortion groups that are so worried about the kids that they also oppose free breakfast/lunch, daycare, etc.

I actually find it a bit ironic because cac bitches make the lion's share of the money from this shit but support the party/politicians/activist groups responsible for shutting down their little hustle.
 

totto

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
They gonna end up losing a lot of money once the banks don't want to accept anything from them.

They'll fold by the end of the year, they're gonna realize they have no choice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ugk

Deezz

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
4Mrr8X0R1CrQpx5nhyPv02S9ZCkyU5v6dGUG8aRWQVFRkbj4PiSeWAwbMmW93FLqpMBzpnDLgQSf2M018XxkeZuzz33xZRgQXstYnPQA0BT1V9W_uq3jOknQ5pO8zkQ9m8JV00lzO2UK4hDhkNgDQ0CR0nrgrRhMKRY
 

totto

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
This. I think they want to milk the money until Oct 1. It's more about the banks putting pressure on them. They ll still be gone in 2 months

Yep, porn is a system, they have banks, age restrictions, background checks, and all that...

OF is basically a flea market, think eBay vs offer up... eBay is a system, sky-high fees but a system, OF is fraud central.

OF needs a company to do complete background checks, and all that, age checks and a better way to handle money to pay these hoes, bitches depositing 20k in their account are gonna raise heads.

Also the chargebacks from the unhappy johns looking for a pussy to find out he wasted 30 dollars on some bullshit.

OF will get rid of them hoes by October.
 

code_pirahna

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Yep, porn is a system, they have banks, age restrictions, background checks, and all that...

OF is basically a flea market, think eBay vs offer up... eBay is a system, sky-high fees but a system, OF is fraud central.

OF needs a company to do complete background checks, and all that, age checks and a better way to handle money to pay these hoes, bitches depositing 20k in their account are gonna raise heads.

Also the chargebacks from the unhappy johns looking for a pussy to find out he wasted 30 dollars on some bullshit.

OF will get rid of them hoes by October.
All this
 

trstar

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
The thing about it is the hypocritical stance the bankers take...they frown on porn generated revenue...meanwhile they book sex tours in southeast asia and keep the redlight districts in nevada going. How many bankers and execs are onlyfans members???

fucking hypocrites:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
They flinch at porn but have no problem with bullets, bombs, and rockets. They have a problem with porn but not fast food, sugar, and big pharma. They gasp at porn but have no problem with underplayed and exploited workers around the world.
 

totto

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
They flinch at porn but have no problem with bullets, bombs, and rockets. They have a problem with porn but not fast food, sugar, and big pharma. They gasp at porn but have no problem with underplayed and exploited workers around the world.

Well, public and private are two different things, I'm sure many of those executives got upscale escorts making good bread seeing them, I think most men will have an issue with these hoes showing their ass getting paid and not fucking... eventually, it's gonna fade away.

Too much backlash from the public will take them down again, like I said I expect OF to raise the fees up to 30% eventually to deal with the chargebacks and having to deal with banks.
 

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
Investment bankers, hedge funds, traders etc. are not involved in this shit. That is is like confusing a branch manager at your local Chase with a trader a JP Morgan. It is "conservative" groups like National Center on Sexual Exploitation and Exodus Cry who lobby Visa, Mastercard etc. They are just like the anti-abortion groups that are so worried about the kids that they also oppose free breakfast/lunch, daycare, etc.

I actually find it a bit ironic because cac bitches make the lion's share of the money from this shit but support the party/politicians/activist groups responsible for shutting down their little hustle.
Well, government NEEDS to control money and currency. Banks are then forced to watch for money laundering on their own. That's why the bullshit filing reports. Governments need the tax dollars from all money, especially Uncle Sam's broke, in debt ass. Visa, Mastercard, etc all have to comply. They ain't trying to pay those fines because thirsty ass Sam going to get taxes through them if they can't get the money from people doing the aleged illegal shit(human trafficking/prostitution).

Sam will use any lobby or protection(moral or otherwise) racket to lean on banks and money processors. CBDC can't get here fast enough for them to track shit and just take it as they please.

These hos just caught up in a money game they don't understand and 99 percent never will. :smh:
 

YoungSinister

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
if porn sites turned to crypto-ppl who've invested in that will be rich beyond belief
Niggas keep saying that shit, and sound crazy
So someone is going to sign up to an exchange, get verified, buy crypto, then use it on a porn site?
That takes out the anonymous aspect, and a lot of people wouldn’t be down with that
 

code_pirahna

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
The thing about it is the hypocritical stance the bankers take...they frown on porn generated revenue...meanwhile they book sex tours in southeast asia and keep the redlight districts in nevada going. How many bankers and execs are onlyfans members???

fucking hypocrites:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
Its always about sex. The movie industry used to say that the "R" rating was not so much about violence which you could to an extent still get a PG13 rating. The nudity and sex gives that automatic R.
 

tpotda

Rising Star
Registered
i remember back then movies like Showgirls had to be rated NC-17 which was above R due to sexual content
 

Duece

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
They can reverse their plans all they want but it still proves that no matter how much we normalize sex work it's still a bubble that will eventually burst.

Once word got out that OnlyFans was shifting their policy, all of these content creators began to scramble to move their content to new sites and many are complaining of lost time, lost revenue, and having to re-edit content for the new sites.

For popular pornstars, like Lana Rhodes and Angela White, this is probably not an issue because they probably have an assistant to do all of that, but if you're a one-woman-show, you got a shit-load of work ahead of you.

Before the pandemic, influencing was a thing, then articles started to come out that said most people don't make shit and the Kardashians are taking home most of influencing money and influencing becomes a bad word and that bubble burst. No more influencing FashionNova dresses from Dubai now women are influencing Barilla pasta from their kitchen.

Then the pandemic hits, OnlyFans becomes a thing and this bubble is popping. Normalize sex work all you want but it's still gonna be short-term gain (if that) in exchange for a lifetime of damage to your reputation.
 
Last edited:

code_pirahna

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
They can reverse their plans all they want but it still proves that no matter how much we normalize sex work it's still a bubble that will eventually burst.

Once word got out that OnlyFans was shifting their policy, all of these content creators began to scramble to move their content to new sites and many are complaining of lost time, lost revenue, and having to re-edit content for the new sites.

For popular pornstars, like Lana Rhodes and Angela White, this is probably not an issue because they probably have an assistant to do all of that, but if you're a one-woman-show, you got a shit-load of work ahead of you.

Before the pandemic, influencing was a thing, then articles started to come out that send most people don't shit and the Kardashians are taking home most of influencing money and influencing becomes a bad word and that bubble burst. No more influencing FashionNova dresses from Dubai now women are influencing Barilla pasta from their kitchen.

Then the pandemic hits, OnlyFans becomes a thing and this bubble is popping. Normalize sex work all you want but it's still gonna be short-term gain (if that) in exchange for a lifetime of damage to your reputation.
All this.
 

playahaitian

Rising Star
Certified Pussy Poster
THE PAYMENTS MESS THAT ALMOST SCARED ONLYFANS AWAY FROM SEX WORK



Last week, OnlyFans — one of the internet’s best-known porn platforms — almost banned porn. The company said it would no longer allow “explicit sexual content” in the future, before reversing the policy unexpectedly the next week.

Sex workers had built OnlyFans into a multibillion-dollar subscription platform, and after the news, many have explained why the proposed change was such a betrayal. They helped make the company valuable, and in return, it nearly kicked them out.

Less immediately clear, however, was OnlyFans’ rationale. Early reports speculated that a new set of Mastercard rules were responsible for the change. A later Financial Times interview placed the blame on banks. While we might never know exactly what happened at OnlyFans, its decision — and reversal — shines a light on the complicated and fraught world of paying for porn online.

WHAT IS ONLYFANS?
OnlyFans is a UK-based online subscription platform that was founded in 2016. Users can “follow” creators and get access to exclusive content, paying with a monthly fee or one-time tip, while OnlyFans takes a 20 percent cut of the funds. While the app is general-purpose, OnlyFans has proven particularly useful for sex workers who want to sell pictures and videos or hold personal chats with clients. It’s exploded in popularity during the coronavirus pandemic, currently reporting 1.5 million content creators, 150 million registered users, and $5 billion paid annually to creators.

WHAT’S BEEN HAPPENING WITH ONLYFANS AND SEXUAL CONTENT?
Late last week, OnlyFans announced that it would ban content that posted, advertised, or referred to “sexually explicit content.” It would allow nudity, but not real or simulated sexual activity or a variety of other conduct. The change was set to take place on October 1st, leaving many OnlyFans sex workers scrambling for alternatives.

Then OnlyFans reversed course. On Wednesday, it declared that it had “secured assurances necessary to support our diverse creator community.” It suspended its plans for the new policy, and as of this writing, there’s no indication it will reimplement the ban.


WHY DID ONLYFANS PLAN TO BAN PORN?
The short answer, according to OnlyFans CEO Tim Stokely, was “banks” — which Stokely said wouldn’t work with OnlyFans because of its reputation as a porn platform. But that answer followed a heated discussion about the complicated world of paying for sex work online.

Payment processing can be opaque and costly for all kinds of web platforms, but adult sites particularly struggle at nearly every step of the financial chain. That’s on top of problems that individual sex workers face with banks and payment processors, which might ban them with little recourse even for non-sex-related transactions.

Mike Stabile, director of public affairs at the adult industry group Free Speech Coalition, explains that launching a platform requires establishing a direct relationship with a bank or using a payment processor that accepts adult industry clients. In turn, banks and processing gateways need to comply with rules set by Mastercard and Visa. (American Express doesn’t support digital adult content at all.) “At every point, there’s a potential where someone is not going to want to work with you, because you’re adult content,” says Stabile.

Beyond the policies of any one specific institution, these issues all contribute to an environment where losing support from any partner can be risky for a company like OnlyFans.

WHY DON’T FINANCIAL COMPANIES WANT TO WORK WITH ADULT SITES?
Part of the problem is an unusually high risk of disputed charges — from customers who make a purchase but deny it out of embarrassment, for instance, and try to get their money back. Stabile says there’s also a ripple effect where financial companies worry about violating Visa and Mastercard’s adult content rules and may act even more conservatively, overshooting the mark of the actual policies.

These issues are nearly as old as online porn payments, but they’ve been exacerbated by a recent effort to cut off revenue to adult services. As longtime sex work reporter Melissa Gira Grant has documented, religious organizations like Exodus Cry and the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (formerly Morality in Media) have pushed regulators and companies to crack down on major adult platforms. While they’ve framed this fight as an anti-trafficking movement and pointed out real instances of abuse, they target sexual content as a whole, even that made voluntarily by independent sex workers.

Anti-porn activists scored a major victory when Visa and Mastercard cut off payments to Pornhub — the video site run by adult services juggernaut MindGeek — following a New York Times report pointing to nonconsensual pornography and videos of children on the site. In April, Mastercard introduced new rules for all adult services, requiring them to verify performers’ ages and their consent to have content posted. The rules are set to take effect in October.


The OnlyFans and Pornhub conflicts take place against a long-running online legal crackdown on sex work. OnlyFans became popular in the wake of FOSTA-SESTA, the law that removed substantial legal protections for sex workers and the platforms that host them. After it announced its ban, writer and porn performer Stoya detailed years of political decisions and social factors that helped set the stage, as well as sex workers’ ongoing efforts to organize against them.

IS ONLYFANS IN THE SAME POSITION AS PORNHUB?
OnlyFans and Pornhub share one big similarity: they’re major adult content providers that are receiving a lot of outside scrutiny. Around OnlyFans’ announcement, the BBC published a report that OnlyFans was giving popular accounts extra leeway when they posted illegal content. And in March, Forensic News published a report alleging that OnlyFans’ majority owner Leonid Radvinsky could be linked with money laundering operations, directly highlighting banks that had flagged suspicious activity around Radvinsky.

Stokely suggested that banks had been spooked by negative reporting on OnlyFans. “Banks read the same media as everyone else,” he said.

But the two services otherwise work very differently. Pornhub is a huge streaming portal full of content that’s historically gotten limited vetting, along the lines of YouTube. (It introduced new verification rules after the Visa and Mastercard ban.) OnlyFans is more like Patreon: a monetization platform connecting users with specific creators.

In some ways, OnlyFans’ subscription system is part of a direct backlash against Pornhub’s free distribution model, which has drawn harsh criticism from sex workers for hosting pirated and nonconsensually posted content. Like many creator platforms, OnlyFans has huge disparities in income — but some users can earn big payouts by cultivating a direct feedback loop between OnlyFans and social media.

WHAT DO MASTERCARD’S RULES MEAN FOR ONLYFANS-STYLE SUBSCRIPTION SITES?
The new rules place more responsibility on platforms to check creators’ identities and documentation. “It’s something that we can do, but it’s also time-consuming and expensive,” says Kat Revenga, vice president of subscription service FanCentro. Revenga says the new rules require maintaining extra records, and as FanCentro has tested age verification tools like facial age estimation, it’s had to balance them with privacy concerns.

But to some extent, these sites are simply building out an existing system. “We never allowed people to upload content if they weren’t verified — and we verify age, we verify that their ID is not fake, we verify it’s them in the ID,” says Dominic Ford, creator of the platform JustForFans. “We were already doing that.”

For its part, OnlyFans has denied the planned changes were related to Mastercard’s policies. “We’re already fully compliant with the new MasterCard rules, so that had no bearing on the decision,” Stokely told the Financial Times.

WEBSITES OBVIOUSLY SOLD PORN BEFORE ONLYFANS. WHY CAN’T IT WORK WITH WHATEVER PAYMENT COMPANIES THEY USE?
OnlyFans hasn’t outlined exactly which companies it works with. But Stabile says it appears to have built more mainstream banking relationships than many adult companies. The platform has so far avoided being pigeonholed as exclusively a sex-related platform, frequently highlighting its creators in other industries and launching a fully safe-for-work mobile app.

If OnlyFans isn’t being treated like an adult company, that probably saves it a massive amount of money. Partly because of the risks mentioned above, companies that focus on sex typically face much higher fees than generic platforms. “Anybody that we touch charges us because we work in adult [services],” says Ford — from JustForFans’ payment processors to its payroll services. “There’s absolutely no comparison.”

Lower rates could help OnlyFans pass more money to creators. Ford says JustForFans, which recently dropped its commission from 30 to 20 percent, has struggled to support the kind of rates it wants to offer thanks to fees. But it means sex workers also have to weigh the risk that OnlyFans might abandon them like it almost did last week. “They’ve never wanted to be a porn site,” says Ford. “At what point do you as a sex worker say, this site does not want me — let me go to a site that does?”

COULD PLATFORMS BYPASS ALL THESE PROBLEMS WITH CRYPTOCURRENCY?
Some porn platforms accept cryptocurrency or help sex workers sell NFTs. But right now, Visa and Mastercard remain indispensable. Lots of users don’t hold cryptocurrency and aren’t going to acquire it specifically to spend on a subscription site, especially when there’s the chance of holding it until it appreciates. To reach even a fraction of OnlyFans’ size, you simply have to accommodate non-crypto users.

“For the immediate time, we don’t have a choice. We can try to work with these institutions or we can lose the ability to process payments,” says Revenga. JustForFans users can choose to bypass payment processing fees by using cryptocurrency, but Ford says it’s not a popular option: since its launch in 2018, its entire crypto-based earnings equal about one day’s worth of traditional payments.

NOW THAT ONLYFANS REVERSED ITS PLANS, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
Even if nothing explicitly changed, OnlyFans has probably shaken some users’ faith in the service. JustForFans, FanCentro, and other competitors like ManyVids both saw a huge jump in signups after the ban was announced, although it’s too early to say if those users and creators will stick around. But it’s tough for creators to leave a platform where they’ve built their fan base, especially when they face the added challenge of selling adult content.

Meanwhile, OnlyFans may still eventually have to decide between serving adult content creators and keeping its mainstream status — and even if it won this round, banks still hold a lot of the cards. “Given the cost of losing a bank, you have to do what they say,” says Stabile. “If you’re making $300 million [a month] and that’s what you’re fundraising on, and that’s going to be cut in half because you’re going to lose the mainstream bank that processes with you, that’s going to affect everything.”
 
Top