Professor Dave just destroyed Lord jamar
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It's not a circle though. It has three dimensions. And what it looks like doesn't matter. It's still an oblate spheroid.the equator is 41 mile difference between the equator and the meridian, which is negligible, which is why when you look at pictures of the earth it looks almost like a perfect circle.
But yeah, oblate spheroid.
STILL, that doesn't invalidate the 542 mile drop.
Sure, but what does that have to with flying a plane? Planes don't travel by "dropping."
@cashwhisperer what are your beliefs about the shape of the Earth? Are you a flat earther?
Yes, we've been established the Globe is a sphere. Not disputing it's an oblate spheroid.
So how do planes move downward?
No, I believe the earth is a sphere. Professor Dave made that clear. I'm trying to learn about the GLOBE, how it works. I'm studying the measurements, distances and how it behaves within the XYZ, 3-dimensional space.
You seem to be more interested in how aviation works. Planes move downward by gravity. I do know that much but I'm not an aeronautical scientist so that's as much as I can tell you.
Do you know the 4 fundamentals of flight?
- Climbs (ascension)
- Straight and Level Flight
- Turns
- Descents.
Ay nevermind, thanks for your input. I'm out.
Yeah, I never said anything like that. The plane isn't moving downward until it descends for landing but I'm repeating myself.
Sure thing. I do have a question for you though.I was asking, but it's all good. Again, thanks for your input!
If a plane is traveling from Antarctica to the Arctic Circle, do you believe the plane is moving downward or upward?
If we consider the Antarctica to be the southern most point of the earth and the plane is following the arc of the earth's curvature, then YES, the plane is moving upward.
The reason we consider the there to be a top and bottom of the earth is because the earth spins at 1000 miles per hour around an AXIS.
Now I have one more question for YOU, Piff.
If your child is at the playground playing on the top of this climbing dome and you're ready to leave, would you tell your kid to come down by dropping to the ground from the top OR tell them to come down expecting them to climb back down following the curve?
@Piff Henderson
When standing at the North Pole, does the arc of the Earth's surface go:
When standing at the North Pole, does the arc of the Earth's surface go:
- upward
- outward & upward
- downward
- outward & downward
Okay right, let's go with that.
So it would take 4 hours to travel roughly 2,000 miles on a flight. The drop from the flight would be 542 miles. That means:
135.5 per hour
2.25 miles a minute.
So the plane would be dropping in altitude 2.25 miles per minute following the curve/arc.
So it takes off, ascends 6 miles to cruising altitude, follows the curve which is descending at 2.25 miles per minute, then descends 6 miles when it's ready to land, right??
See, I know we live on this huge sphere and we are SO tiny relative to it's size, but geometrically, the plane is still moving out and down from the point of origin by following the curve, correct??
Okay right, let's go with that.
So it would take 4 hours to travel roughly 2,000 miles on a flight. The drop from the flight would be 542 miles. That means:
135.5 per hour
2.25 miles a minute.
So the plane would be dropping in altitude 2.25 miles per minute following the curve/arc.
So it takes off, ascends 6 miles to cruising altitude, follows the curve which is descending at 2.25 miles per minute, then descends 6 miles when it's ready to land, right??
See, I know we live on this huge sphere and we are SO tiny relative to it's size, but geometrically, the plane is still moving out and down from the point of origin by following the curve, correct??
The cruising altitude (relatively speaking) doesn't change..... so the plane isn't descending AND dropping while cruising......
I think you're conflating the 2 terms. Descent vs drop.
Descent is based on the planes current position in the air. The drop would be based on the planes initial location on the globe.
If a plane left near the equator, say somewhere in Africa and ended up in Delaware, USA would you say the plane descended the whole trip as well? Or that it ascended and descended as normal, and it's final position increased?
I'm not. They mean the same thing, but I see where you're going with it.....
Again, by dictionary definition they mean the same thing. Drop is a synonym of descent. BUT!!! I like that you have assigned the terms by giving context to them, because that's exactly where I'm going with this.
See, I'm using the geological North Pole to provide a starting point (since it is generally considered to be the "top" of the globe) to illustrate that any direction you go from the northern most point would be south, and therefore there would be a DROP in the plane's location on the globe along the Y axis..... (X=width, Y = height, Z=depth).
Herein lies another important point:
As these guys have pointed out, there is no "top of the globe" because of gravity. Anywhere you are on the globe, if you travel in a straight line along the curve, you WILL BE GOING DOWNHILL from your starting point. So YES, if I consider "somewhere in Africa" the "top of the globe", then from that position on the globe traveling to Delaware there will be a drop in the geometric construction.
So yes, this chart, by YOUR description is accurate! Correct??
Unraveled into complete nonsense.
`I have a question for you. Pardon me for being ignorant about the flat earth model, but according to the flat earth model, the sun must be moving at 1,000 miles per hour. My question is, how come we don't see a fire trail like the human torch?Okay right, let's go with that.
So it would take 4 hours to travel roughly 2,000 miles on a flight. The drop from the flight would be 542 miles. That means:
135.5 per hour
2.25 miles a minute.
So the plane would be dropping in altitude 2.25 miles per minute following the curve/arc.
So it takes off, ascends 6 miles to cruising altitude, follows the curve which is descending at 2.25 miles per minute, then descends 6 miles when it's ready to land, right??
See, I know we live on this huge sphere and we are SO tiny relative to it's size, but geometrically, the plane is still moving out and down from the point of origin by following the curve, correct??
Also if it's traveling at that breakneck speed, and is as low as the clouds as you suggest with the corpuscular rays references, then how come you can see the sun in the sky and 20 minutes later the sun is there but the clouds that it was in gone? Does this mean clouds also move faster than the speed of sound? If so why no sonic booms?
I'm not as smart as you, but can you please explain it to me so that an ignorant person can understand?
Here are some cartoon pictures to help illustrate my point.
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I would tell them "it's time to go" and not think about it beyond that point. If they're really young or uncoordinated, I'd tell them to climb down rather than dropping down because that seems a little safer.If we consider the Antarctica to be the southern most point of the earth and the plane is following the arc of the earth's curvature, then YES, the plane is moving upward.
The reason we consider the there to be a top and bottom of the earth is because the earth spins at 1000 miles per hour around an AXIS.
Now I have one more question for YOU, Piff.
If your child is at the playground playing on the top of this climbing dome and you're ready to leave, would you tell your kid to come down by dropping to the ground from the top OR tell them to come down expecting them to climb back down following the curve?
It curves regardless of where you're standing on the Earth. "Upward" and "downward" are all relative terms. If you ask a person in Australia or Finland, they would likely give answer 4 and they'd both be correct and also incorrect.
If you are flying keeping the same altitude with the ground you are not moving up or down. Up and down are in relation to the ground if your distance from the ground is not changing you are not moving up or down. There is no up or down in space unless you are talking in relation to the earth. Going south does not mean you are going down. LOL I know we say down south but that's in relation to a map which is in 2 dimensions.
Does a basketball have a top and bottom? If you move along any sphere you are not moving up and down you are moving around.
Does a basketball have a top and bottom? If you move along any sphere you are not moving up and down you are moving around.
I'm not. They mean the same thing, but I see where you're going with it.....
Again, by dictionary definition they mean the same thing. Drop is a synonym of descent. BUT!!! I like that you have assigned the terms by giving context to them, because that's exactly where I'm going with this.
See, I'm using the geological North Pole to provide a starting point (since it is generally considered to be the "top" of the globe) to illustrate that any direction you go from the northern most point would be south, and therefore there would be a DROP in the plane's location on the globe along the Y axis..... (X=width, Y = height, Z=depth).
Herein lies another important point:
As these guys have pointed out, there is no "top of the globe" because of gravity. Anywhere you are on the globe, if you travel in a straight line along the curve, you WILL BE GOING DOWNHILL from your starting point. So YES, if I consider "somewhere in Africa" the "top of the globe", then from that position on the globe traveling to Delaware there will be a drop in the geometric construction.
So yes, this chart, by YOUR description is accurate! Correct??
Again, I can not accept or deny any of the information in that chart. I haven't researched it.
You keep saying that we're traveling downhill....
That is what I have a problem with.
when traveling between two points on the globe, there is no "downhill." The earth is so large there is no "hill" that is initially perceived.
If I travel from South America to Oklahoma I wasn't ascending the whole flight. I reached a certain altitude, maintained that level and then I descended. My final position geographically, was higher on the globe than my initial position.
He has trouble (as in the case of most flat earthers/ low I.Q. people) of conceptualizing in 3d, and thinks that planes fly straight forming a tangent line from the ground to space, when in reality our globe is 3d and when we fly you use a great circle.
Dude, this is what I mean by "downhill". If you are standing on a sphere with gravity, no matter where you stand, all other ground around you in ANY direction is BENEATH you, from your perspective and position on the circle. If not, then we aren't on a globe.
Understand??
That is so fucking retarded.
If you are flying around a sphere that means the plane has no choice but to have the nose pointed downward, from the pilot's perspective. Due to the circumference being 25,901 miles, you MUST be descending at a rate of 2.25 miles per minute!
On this chart below, no matter if you want to call starting position top, bottom, upward, downward, NONE OF THAT SHIT MATTERS.
If you are traveling from the "0" point to the "2000" mile point, THE PLANE'S NOSE HAS TO BE POINTED DOWNWARD TO GET THERE!
How the FUCK can you look at the space between 0 and 2000 and not see it as analogous to going down a fucking hill???
Really? Seriously??
So NSEW doesn't matter anymore?
Latitude and Longitude don't matter??
The poles and the axis don't matter??
We don't fly west from Georgia to California, we just fly "around" to Cali?
Maintained level huh?
You maintained level by flying in an arc relative to the arc of the earth and then your found yourself "higher" on the globe than where you started???
Really? Seriously??
So NSEW doesn't matter anymore?
Latitude and Longitude don't matter??
The poles and the axis don't matter??
We don't fly west from Georgia to California, we just fly "around" to Cali?
NSEW and longitude and latitude don't relate to up and down. lol
Altitude relates to up and down. It's a measurement of your distance from the ground. All the other shit ain't. Tell me how you can move up and down a basketball. If you move your finger from one point on a basketball to another have you moved up and down. No you moved around.
Our whole relationship to the concept of an up and a down is the earth. In space there is no up and down. When we say up we mean further away from the surface earth when we say down we mean closer to the surface of the earth. Going in directions does not relate to up and down.
I don't agree with that, but whatever. I'll let you have it.
What I am saying however is, IF YOU ARE FLYING 2000 MILES AROUND THE GLOBE TO GET FROM POINT A TO B, YOU MUST FLY IN AN ARC, AND IN ORDER TO FLY IN AN ARC, THE PLANE'S NOSE MUST BE POINTED DOWNWARD FROM THE PLANE'S PERSPECTIVE!!
And yes, the plane still must behave the same way when scaled down to actual size. In order to stay "level" with the ground at cruising altitude, you have to adjust to follow the curve!!
You can't maintain the reading on this meter without making an adjustment!!