Once again democrats are being pussy. You would think that with the public support around police reforms, democrats would push to have some meaningful reform. Getting rid of Qualified Immunity is the piece that may cause these officers to consider de-escalation instead of escalating situations that don't require force. If the taxpayer foots the bill for their misconduct, we will never see a change. They will continue to receive their pension and just move to another department.
Rep. Clyburn: Dems May be Willing to Compromise on Qualified Immunity
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Clyburn is the definition of an establishment democrat so this isn't suprising
I am cool with Jim Clyburn but this still is not going to get through the Senate because of them assholes Republicans over there. Not to sound like a broken record but I keep saying this....when cops start killing a lot of white people who are poor and middle-class this shit is going to change overnight but by that time it may be too late.
Their weakness sickens me
What is the compromise? Its impossible to judge without specifics.
link?
@doe moe , perhaps you meant it was cued up to Clyburn. If so, I listened for a minute an didn't hear him. So, what did he say?
Punk ass.
I need a story and not some BGOL poster’s opinion.
The come back to it argument is a weird one. First, they used it with $15 minimum wage. They’re never going back to that. Secondly, when will they intend to get to it?
I have heard one of the republican suggestions of having the option of suing the police department of a jurisdiction, especially if the department has a known problematic officer.
www.vox.com
“There is a way to put more of the onus or the burden on the department or on the employer than on the employee,” Scott told Bloomberg’s Laura Litvan, adding that Democrats he’s spoken with, including Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA), the lead sponsor of police reform in the House, seemed open to that idea. Effectively, this suggestion would mean that police departments, rather than individual officers, would have to deal with potential lawsuits over misconduct. The thinking behind it is that it would still pressure police to be more accountable, while reducing some of the potential risks an individual officer would face.
The uncertain prospects for police reform in the Senate, explained
Lawmakers are searching for a compromise on qualified immunity that may not materialize.
www.vox.com
“There is a way to put more of the onus or the burden on the department or on the employer than on the employee,” Scott told Bloomberg’s Laura Litvan, adding that Democrats he’s spoken with, including Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA), the lead sponsor of police reform in the House, seemed open to that idea. Effectively, this suggestion would mean that police departments, rather than individual officers, would have to deal with potential lawsuits over misconduct. The thinking behind it is that it would still pressure police to be more accountable, while reducing some of the potential risks an individual officer would face.
That's more of the same damn rhetoric that's always bandied about.
Muhfuckas are ready to fold already.
Can you define “fold”? There was a story that came out 2 weeks ago that in exchange for qualified immunity for individual police officers, the new law would make the police district liable.That's more of the same damn rhetoric that's always bandied about.
Muhfuckas are ready to fold already.
He's publicly floated the idea that portions of the Bill that the GOP would not support might just be taken off the table. That's only going to serve the GOP in opposing the Bill.
Essentially, the compromise has already been made.
You and I know it. I’m just interested in the 10 GOP senators that’s going to vote for this bill.
This negro is the first log in Uncle Tom's cabin
I'm not ready to call Clyburn a sell out or coon yet, but on the surface this is disappointing because qualified immunity is essential to true, lasting reform and also because if they give it up now it could be a long time before they get back to it. The bill can't pass with a simple majority, so some compromise is expected. That is unless they are willing to go nuclear and even then there could be DNC hold outs.
Not only will the GOP leave the democrats hanging in 2 weeks, the Dems will not pass the infrastructure bill this year.Wait....I thought the Democrats controlled the Senate or held the DECIDING vote?
Suing police officers is not essential to any reform.
Although it may not be "essential", I do believe that some police will consider the financial implications when deciding to escalate a situation when it is unnecessary. I do believe that the power dynamic during the interactions and the confidence that there will not be any long term consequences for them and their families for police misconduct, plays a big role.
I disagree. If police are held individually liable for egregious behavior they will change. It will only take a few high profile cases where there are big money judgements against them and they loose there assets through retribution to their victims.
Cacs see police as a necessary entity in a system of WS. They enforce it as well as protect property owners and the wealthy. No price is too high to maintain WS. They value WS far more than money.
I say this and I feel this in my spirit at least twice a week. Our options are the bully in the school and the people the bully picks on. The Democrats have no fucking spine even when they're right they have no fucking spine
I swear if Dems cave in to the Repubs and don't pass any meaningful legislation for Blacks only. I'm not voting midterms or Presidential election
So let me ask you this. If the dems don't compromise (and I am not saying they should). What do you think they should do to get this bill passed with the qualified immunity elimination included?