Ron Paul Voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act

t0k3

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I think its because we have a hard time understanding why you black folks want someone who does not have the least bit of our interest in office. That is, assuming you are black or even a minority. Ron Paul may be for the good of the country but it would certainly come at the expense of anybody not rich or white.

I think I get it though. 400-some odd years ago... there were house negroes. What ever bad happened to massa, they said happened to "us". They made all kinds of excuses and justifications for why massa treated field niggas so harsh.

No more Ron Paul debates for me... I'm done. If you can't see it - you probably won't until after we's free - despite your insubordination.


OBAMA 08 shittin on ya'll House Niggas.

Do you really think that Obama is the messiah that will lead all those who are being fucked by the system to the promised land?
If he had any self respect or any for his people he wouldn't be running on the democratic ticket in the first place.
The GOP(Grand Oil Party)have the money and the power.
Along come the democrats who have no backing of the oil barons so how do they get their piece of the pie?
By herding up all the destitute,the disenfranchised and whispering sweet nothings in their ears and giving them false hope that theres somebody in politics that have their best interests at heart.
Bullshit!
I worked for the democratic party as a canvasser and lobbyist.
I went door to door and lied to people to their faces.
Sign this petition,sign down as a member of the AFL/CIO,trust me,it will help.
I was good at it,top 5 in getting signatures.
Toward the end I started questioning wtf I was doing and started to do a lot of reading on politics.
I came to realize that it's all bullshit and quit.
I was offered a raise and all kinds of incentives under the table not to quit,they loved my ass.
The only difference between a republican and a democrat is that a democrat will smile in your face and wait until you turn around before they sink the knife in between your ribs.
 

XXXplosive

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Why do you dumb niggas support this racist? WHY? So many coons would vote for this devil over Obama. WHY. There is no justification for supporting this evil slime cracka. You niggas are pathetic sambos.

Agreed
Niggas stay big upping this racist peckerwood :smh:
 

CAgeek

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I see how Bush got 8 years. :smh:

I can almost understand how black women are torn between a woman and a black man.... but you niggas.... WOW.

You niggas trying to elect STORMFRONT's go-to guy for president.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_pauls_thoughtprovoking_cho.html

I'm not even going to debate if he should've given the money back. Drop in over there and see who they want elected and why.

COSIGN FOR REAL, why people cant read through the verbage of this individual is beyond me

I find it horrendous that he'd take the civil rights act, and discuss it within the framework of property rights. thats some SERIOUS disconnect


sorry OBAMA 08 as far as im concerened
 

Rudey

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How funny people shitting on some of Ron Paul's past views when most of you here support The Democratic Party who never wanted slaves to be free.
 

Paul1970

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I'm glad that this short ass bigot is being exposed for who he really is and that there is video proof of what i've been talking about.....:yes:


So talk shit now Ron Paul supporters..:hmm:
 

Makkonnen

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How funny people shitting on some of Ron Paul's past views when most of you here support The Democratic Party who never wanted slaves to be free.
past views? Those are Paul's present views.

Fuck the democratic party past and present. But don't act like modern American politics are no different than those of 130 years ago.
 

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Why do you dumb niggas support this racist? WHY? So many coons would vote for this devil over Obama. WHY. There is no justification for supporting this evil slime cracka. You niggas are pathetic sambos.

niggas? If you run a simple check on their ip addresses you will see that most of these dudes are WHITE! "EVERY BROTHA AINT A BROTHA CAUSE OF COLOR!" PUBLIC ENEMY :dance:
 

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I think the idea that he proposed to end slavery would have been better than the war. I still think he is racist and I would never vote for him, but think about it. The Federal government passes a law that makes it illegal to purchase slaves. Then they move on an act that says all slaves owned must be sold to the federal government. Come to think of it, nah it wouldn't work. The south supplied all of the raw materials to the industry in the north. Prices would have went up too high. Fuck it. Niggas should have just Nat Turnered all them crackas in the South.
 

Makkonnen

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I think the idea that he proposed to end slavery would have been better than the war. I still think he is racist and I would never vote for him, but think about it. The Federal government passes a law that makes it illegal to purchase slaves. Then they move on an act that says all slaves owned must be sold to the federal government. Come to think of it, nah it wouldn't work. The south supplied all of the raw materials to the industry in the north. Prices would have went up too high. Fuck it. Niggas should have just Nat Turnered all them crackas in the South.
Bruh dude was lying
hes all about individual rights and property rights isnt he? but he's for the federal govt demanding all slave owners sell their property to the govt?
doesnt add up

also what he proposed was offered by Lincoln at some point and it was refused

The south didnt even secede because of a ban on slavery in the south- they seceded because slavery wasnt allowed in the west.
 

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He voted against the 40th ANNIVERSARY of it, meaning he's still opposed to "Forced Intergation". Please explain to me what would've been a better alternative to the 1964 Civil Rights Act not involving the Federal Government.

From my perspective, the better alternative would have been a greater government intervention, with a head towards a real redistribution of social and ecoonmic resources.


That's what I'd like to think, yet his record looks more like a Racist's worldview. People will say anything to get elected when they are running for President, so if he's against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, how do I know he values my interests?

He doesn't. DUH!
He has been crystal clear and consistent on his position that government restrictions on private property and employment decisions cannot be justified in the interests of greater social and economic equality. That's why he's against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Again, please explain to me what would've been a better alternative to the 1964 Civil Rights Act not involving the Federal Government. Something like the 1964 Civil Rights Act should be an exception for any Libertarian ideology.

Nothing is an exception for a Libertarian.
Thats what it means to be a Libertarian.
...and thats what most of these BGOL Ron Paul fans don't have a fuckin clue into.

This is Ron Paul's own explanation for his sole NO vote on the the 40th Anniversary of the '64 Act:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul188.html

Again, he is crystal clear.
 
From my perspective, the better alternative would have been a greater government intervention, with a head towards a real redistribution of social and ecoonmic resources......

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BigUnc

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To Dert Bagg:

Good explanation on the Libertarian viewpoint. Don't think the brothers are catching on though.

I've debated Libertarians before on other message boards. They were trying to get me to buy into thier way of thinking. In a nutshell they don't base their politics on race but on freedom. I/we as black folk would have the same right as they do i.e. do what the fuck we please with our "property" without interference from any government entity.

I'm not claiming I know 100% what Ron paul is about but from what i can see he wants to do things as originally envisioned by the writers of the Constitution.The original intent was for most of the power to reside with the states and the federal government to be weak domestically with clearly defined responsibilities and revenue raising processess.


If you read the constitution you can get an idea on where he's coming from.
 

Makkonnen

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To Dert Bagg:

Good explanation on the Libertarian viewpoint. Don't think the brothers are catching on though.

I've debated Libertarians before on other message boards. They were trying to get me to buy into thier way of thinking. In a nutshell they don't base their politics on race but on freedom. I/we as black folk would have the same right as they do i.e. do what the fuck we please with our "property" without interference from any government entity.

I'm not claiming I know 100% what Ron paul is about but from what i can see he wants to do things as originally envisioned by the writers of the Constitution.The original intent was for most of the power to reside with the states and the federal government to be weak domestically with clearly defined responsibilities and revenue raising processess.


If you read the constitution you can get an idea on where he's coming from.
I agree Ron Paul wants to keep the vision of the writers of the constitution alive. The vision of white slave owner aristocrats.
 

GULLAH JACK

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Why The Left Must Reject Ron Paul
by Sherry Wolf

“Politics like nature, abhors a vacuum,” goes the revamped aphorism. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul’s surprising stature among a small but vocal layer of antiwar activists and leftist bloggers appears to bear this out.

At the October 27, 2007, antiwar protests in dozens of cities noticeable contingents of supporters carried his campaign placards and circulated sign-up sheets. The Web site antiwar.com features a weekly Ron Paul column. Some even dream of a Left-Right gadfly alliance for the 2008 ticket. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, liberal maverick and Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich told supporters in late November he was thinking of making Ron Paul his running mate if he were to get the nomination.

No doubt, the hawkish and calculating Hillary Rodham Clinton and flaccid murmurings of Barack Obama, in addition to the uninspiring state of the antiwar movement that backed a prowar candidate in 2004, help fuel the desperation many activists feel. But leftists must unequivocally reject the reactionary libertarianism of this longtime Texas congressman and 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate.

Ron Paul’s own campaign Web site reads like the objectivist rantings of Ayn Rand, one of his theoretical mentors. As with the Atlas Shrugged author’s other acolytes, neocon guru Milton Friedman and former Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan, Paul argues, “Liberty means free-market capitalism.” He opposes “big government” and in the isolationist fashion of the nation’s Pat Buchanans, he decries intervention in foreign nation’s affairs and believes membership in the United Nations undermines U.S. sovereignty.

Naturally, it is not Ron Paul’s paeans to the free market that some progressives find so appealing, but his unwavering opposition to the war in Iraq and consistent voting record against all funding for the war. His straightforward speaking style, refusal to accept the financial perks of office, and his repeated calls for repealing the Patriot Act distinguish him from the snakeoil salesmen who populate Congress.

Paul is no power-hungry, poll-tested shyster. Even the liberalish chat-show hosts Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar on The View gave a friendly reception to Paul’s folksy presentation, despite his paleoconservative views on abortion, which he–a practicing obstetrician–argues is murder.

Though Paul is unlikely to triumph in the primaries, it is worth taking stock not only of his actual positions, but more importantly the libertarian underpinnings that have wooed so many self-described leftists and progressives. Because at its core, the fetishism of individualism that underlies libertarianism leads to the denial of rights to the very people most radicals aim to champion: workers, immigrants, Blacks, women, gays, and any group that lacks the economic power to impose their individual rights on others.

Ron Paul’s positions

A cursory look at Paul’s positions, beyond his opposition to the war and the Patriot Act, would make any leftist cringe.

Put simply, he is a racist. Not the cross-burning, hood-wearing kind to be sure, but the flat Earth society brand that imagines a colorblind world where 500 years of colonial history and slavery are dismissed out of hand and institutional racism and policies under capitalism are imagined away. As his campaign Web site reads:

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence–not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

Paul was more blunt writing in his independent political newsletter distributed to thousands of supporters in 1992. Citing statistics from a study that year produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, Paul concluded: “Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.” Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: “If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

His six-point immigration plan appears to have been cribbed from the gun-toting vigilante Minutemen at the border. “A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked,” reads his site. And he advocates cutting off all social services to undocumented immigrants, including hospitals, schools, clinics, and even roads (how would that work?).

“The public correctly perceives that neither political party has the courage to do what is necessary to prevent further erosion of both our border security and our national identity,” he wrote in a 2005 article. “Unfortunately, the federal government seems more intent upon guarding the borders of other nations than our own.” The article argues that, “Our current welfare system also encourages illegal immigration by discouraging American citizens from taking low-wage jobs.” The solution: end welfare so that everyone will be forced to work at slave wages. In order that immigrants not culturally dilute the nation, he proposes that “All federal government business should be conducted in English.”

Though he rants about his commitment to the Constitution, he introduced an amendment altering the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing citizenship to anyone born in the United States, saying in a 2006 article: “Birthright citizenship, originating in the 14th amendment, has become a serious cultural and economic dilemma for our nation. We must end the perverse incentives that encourage immigrants to come here illegally, including the anchor baby incentive.”

Here we come up against the limits of libertarianism; Paul wants a strong state to secure the borders, but he wants all social welfare expenditures eliminated for those within them.

Paul is quite vocal these days about his rank opposition to abortion; “life begins at conception,” he argues. He promotes a “states’ rights” position on abortion–that decades old hobgoblin of civil rights opponents. And he has long opposed sexual harassment legislation, writing in his 1988 book Freedom Under Siege (available online), “Why don’t they quit once the so-called harassment starts?” In keeping with his small government worldview, he goes on to argue against the government’s right “to tell an airline it must hire unattractive women if it does not want to.”

In that same book, written as the AIDS crisis was laying waste to the American gay male population prompting the rise of activist groups demanding research and drugs, Paul attacked AIDS sufferers as “victims of their own lifestyle.” And in a statement that gives a glimpse of the ruling-class tyranny of individualism he asserts that AIDS victims demanding rushed drug trials were impinging on “the rights of insurance company owners.”

Paul wants to abolish the Department of Education and, in his words, “end the federal education monopoly” by eliminating all taxes that go toward public education and “giving educational control back to parents.” Which parents would those be? Only those with the leisure time, educational training, and temperament commensurate with home schooling! Whatever real problems the U.S. education system suffers from–and there are many–eliminating 99 percent literacy rates that generations of public education has achieved and tossing the children of working parents out of the schools is not an appealing or viable option.

Paul also opposes equal pay for equal work, a minimum wage, and, naturally, trade unions. In 2007, he voted against restricting employers’ rights to interfere in union drives and against raising the federal minimum wage to $7.25. In 2001, he voted for zero-funding for OSHA’s Ergonomics Rules, instead of the $4.5 billion. At least he’s consistent.

Libertarians like Paul are for removing any legislative barriers that may restrict business owners’ profits, but are openly hostile to alleviating economic restrictions that oppress most workers. Only a boss could embrace this perverse concept of “freedom.”

Individualism versus collectivism

There is a scene in Monty Python’s satire Life of Brian where Brian, not wanting to be the messiah, calls out to the crowd: “You are all individuals.” The crowd responds in unison: “We are all individuals.”

Libertarians, using pseudo-iconoclastic logic, transform this comical send-up of religious conformity into their own secular dogma in which we are all just atomized beings. “Only an individual has rights,” not groups such as workers, Blacks, gays, women, and minorities, Ron Paul argues. True, we are all individuals, but we didn’t just bump into one another. Human beings by nature are social beings who live in a collective, a society. Under capitalism, society is broken down into classes in which some individuals–bosses, for example–wield considerably more power than others–workers.

To advocate for society to be organized on the basis of strict individualism, as libertarians do, is to argue that everyone has the right to do whatever he or she wants. Sounds nice in the abstract, perhaps. But what happens when the desires of one individual infringe on the desires of another? Libertarians like Paul don’t shy away from the logical ramifications of their argument. “The dictatorial power of a majority” he argues ought to be replaced by the unencumbered power of individuals–in other words, the dictatorial power of a minority.

So if the chairman of Dow Chemical wants to flush his company’s toxic effluence into rivers and streams, so be it. If General Motors wants to pay its employees starvation wages, that’s their right too. Right-wing libertarians often appear to not want to grapple with meddlesome things like economic and social power. As the bourgeois radical Abraham Lincoln observed of secessionist slaveowners, “The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people.”

Too much government?

Unwavering hostility to government and its collection of taxes is another hallmark of libertarianism. Given the odious practices of governments under capitalism, their repugnant financial priorities, and bilking of the lower classes through taxation it’s hardly surprising that libertarians get a hearing.

But the conclusion that the problem is “big government” strips the content from the form. Can any working-class perspective seriously assert that we have too much government involvement in providing health care? Too much oversight of the environment, food production, and workplace safety? Would anyone seriously consider hopping a flight without the certainty of national, in fact international, air traffic control? Of course not. The problem doesn’t lie with some abstract construct, “government,” the problem is that the actual class dynamics of governments under capitalism amount to taxing workers and the poor in lieu of the rich and powerful corporations and spending those resources on wars, environmental devastation, and the enrichment of a tiny swath of society at the expense of the rest of us.

Ron Paul argues, “Government by majority rule has replaced strict protection of the individual from government abuse. Right of property ownership has been replaced with the forced redistribution of wealth and property.” Few folks likely to be reading this publication will agree that we actually live in a society where wealth and property are expropriated from the rich and given to workers and the poor. Even the corporate media admit that there has been a wholesale redistribution of wealth in the opposite direction. But Paul exposes here the class nature of libertarianism; it is the provincial political outlook of the middle-class business owner obsessed with guarding his lot. As online anti-libertarian writer Ernest Partridge puts it in “Liberty for some”:

“Complaints against ‘big government’ and ‘over-regulation,’ though often justified, also issue from the privileged who are frustrated at finding that their quest for still greater privileges at the expense of their community are curtailed by a government which, ideally, represents that community. Pure food and drug laws curtail profits and mandate tests as they protect the general public.”

In fact, the libertarians’ opposition to the government, or the state if you will, is less out of hostility to what the state actually does than who is running it. Perhaps this explains Paul’s own clear contradiction when it comes to abortion, since his opposition to government intervention stops at a woman’s uterus. But freedom for socialists has always been about more than the right to choose masters. Likewise, Paul appears to be for “small government” except when it comes to using its power to restrict immigration. His personal right to not have any undocumented immigrants in the U.S. seems to trump the right of free movement of individuals, but not capital, across borders.

Right-wing libertarians, quite simply, oppose the state only insofar as it infringes the right of property owners.

Left-Right alliance?

Some antiwar activists and leftists desperate to revitalize a flagging antiwar movement make appeals to the Left to form a Left-Right bloc with Ron Paul supporters. Even environmental activist and left-wing author Joshua Frank, who writes insightful and often scathing attacks on liberal Democrats’ capitulations to reactionary policies, recently penned an article citing–though not endorsing–Paul’s campaign in calling for leftist antiwar activists to reach out to form a sort of Left-Right antiwar alliance. He argues, “Whether we’re beer swilling rednecks from Knoxville or mushroom eatin’ hippies from Eugene, we need to come together,” (”Embracing a New Antiwar Movement“).

Supporters of Ron Paul who show up to protests should have their reactionary conclusions challenged, not embraced. Those of his supporters who are wholly ignorant of his broader politics beyond the war, should be educated about them. And those who advocate his noxious politics, should be attacked for their racism, immigrant bashing, and hostility to the values a genuine Left champions. The sort of Left-Right alliance Frank advocates is not only opportunistic but is also a repellent to creating the multiracial working-class movement that is sorely needed of we are to end this war. What Arabs, Blacks, Latinos–and antiracist whites, for that matter–would ever join a movement that accommodates to this know-nothing brand of politics?

Discontent with the status quo and the drumbeat of electoralism is driving many activists and progressives to seek out political alternatives. But libertarianism is no radical political solution to inequality, violence, and misery. When the likes of Paul shout: “We need freedom to choose!” we need to ask, “Yes, but freedom for whom?” Because the freedom to starve to death is the most dubious freedom of all.

Sherry Wolf is on the editorial board of the International Socialist Review. She can be reached at sherry@internationalsocialist.org. Read other articles by Sherry.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/why-the-left-must-reject-ron-paul/
 

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Why The Left Must Reject Ron Paul
by Sherry Wolf

“Politics like nature, abhors a vacuum,” goes the revamped aphorism. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul’s surprising stature among a small but vocal layer of antiwar activists and leftist bloggers appears to bear this out.

At the October 27, 2007, antiwar protests in dozens of cities noticeable contingents of supporters carried his campaign placards and circulated sign-up sheets. The Web site antiwar.com features a weekly Ron Paul column. Some even dream of a Left-Right gadfly alliance for the 2008 ticket. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, liberal maverick and Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich told supporters in late November he was thinking of making Ron Paul his running mate if he were to get the nomination.

No doubt, the hawkish and calculating Hillary Rodham Clinton and flaccid murmurings of Barack Obama, in addition to the uninspiring state of the antiwar movement that backed a prowar candidate in 2004, help fuel the desperation many activists feel. But leftists must unequivocally reject the reactionary libertarianism of this longtime Texas congressman and 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate.

Ron Paul’s own campaign Web site reads like the objectivist rantings of Ayn Rand, one of his theoretical mentors. As with the Atlas Shrugged author’s other acolytes, neocon guru Milton Friedman and former Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan, Paul argues, “Liberty means free-market capitalism.” He opposes “big government” and in the isolationist fashion of the nation’s Pat Buchanans, he decries intervention in foreign nation’s affairs and believes membership in the United Nations undermines U.S. sovereignty.

Naturally, it is not Ron Paul’s paeans to the free market that some progressives find so appealing, but his unwavering opposition to the war in Iraq and consistent voting record against all funding for the war. His straightforward speaking style, refusal to accept the financial perks of office, and his repeated calls for repealing the Patriot Act distinguish him from the snakeoil salesmen who populate Congress.

Paul is no power-hungry, poll-tested shyster. Even the liberalish chat-show hosts Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar on The View gave a friendly reception to Paul’s folksy presentation, despite his paleoconservative views on abortion, which he–a practicing obstetrician–argues is murder.

Though Paul is unlikely to triumph in the primaries, it is worth taking stock not only of his actual positions, but more importantly the libertarian underpinnings that have wooed so many self-described leftists and progressives. Because at its core, the fetishism of individualism that underlies libertarianism leads to the denial of rights to the very people most radicals aim to champion: workers, immigrants, Blacks, women, gays, and any group that lacks the economic power to impose their individual rights on others.

Ron Paul’s positions

A cursory look at Paul’s positions, beyond his opposition to the war and the Patriot Act, would make any leftist cringe.

Put simply, he is a racist. Not the cross-burning, hood-wearing kind to be sure, but the flat Earth society brand that imagines a colorblind world where 500 years of colonial history and slavery are dismissed out of hand and institutional racism and policies under capitalism are imagined away. As his campaign Web site reads:

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence–not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

Paul was more blunt writing in his independent political newsletter distributed to thousands of supporters in 1992. Citing statistics from a study that year produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, Paul concluded: “Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.” Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: “If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

His six-point immigration plan appears to have been cribbed from the gun-toting vigilante Minutemen at the border. “A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked,” reads his site. And he advocates cutting off all social services to undocumented immigrants, including hospitals, schools, clinics, and even roads (how would that work?).

“The public correctly perceives that neither political party has the courage to do what is necessary to prevent further erosion of both our border security and our national identity,” he wrote in a 2005 article. “Unfortunately, the federal government seems more intent upon guarding the borders of other nations than our own.” The article argues that, “Our current welfare system also encourages illegal immigration by discouraging American citizens from taking low-wage jobs.” The solution: end welfare so that everyone will be forced to work at slave wages. In order that immigrants not culturally dilute the nation, he proposes that “All federal government business should be conducted in English.”

Though he rants about his commitment to the Constitution, he introduced an amendment altering the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing citizenship to anyone born in the United States, saying in a 2006 article: “Birthright citizenship, originating in the 14th amendment, has become a serious cultural and economic dilemma for our nation. We must end the perverse incentives that encourage immigrants to come here illegally, including the anchor baby incentive.”

Here we come up against the limits of libertarianism; Paul wants a strong state to secure the borders, but he wants all social welfare expenditures eliminated for those within them.

Paul is quite vocal these days about his rank opposition to abortion; “life begins at conception,” he argues. He promotes a “states’ rights” position on abortion–that decades old hobgoblin of civil rights opponents. And he has long opposed sexual harassment legislation, writing in his 1988 book Freedom Under Siege (available online), “Why don’t they quit once the so-called harassment starts?” In keeping with his small government worldview, he goes on to argue against the government’s right “to tell an airline it must hire unattractive women if it does not want to.”

In that same book, written as the AIDS crisis was laying waste to the American gay male population prompting the rise of activist groups demanding research and drugs, Paul attacked AIDS sufferers as “victims of their own lifestyle.” And in a statement that gives a glimpse of the ruling-class tyranny of individualism he asserts that AIDS victims demanding rushed drug trials were impinging on “the rights of insurance company owners.”

Paul wants to abolish the Department of Education and, in his words, “end the federal education monopoly” by eliminating all taxes that go toward public education and “giving educational control back to parents.” Which parents would those be? Only those with the leisure time, educational training, and temperament commensurate with home schooling! Whatever real problems the U.S. education system suffers from–and there are many–eliminating 99 percent literacy rates that generations of public education has achieved and tossing the children of working parents out of the schools is not an appealing or viable option.

Paul also opposes equal pay for equal work, a minimum wage, and, naturally, trade unions. In 2007, he voted against restricting employers’ rights to interfere in union drives and against raising the federal minimum wage to $7.25. In 2001, he voted for zero-funding for OSHA’s Ergonomics Rules, instead of the $4.5 billion. At least he’s consistent.

Libertarians like Paul are for removing any legislative barriers that may restrict business owners’ profits, but are openly hostile to alleviating economic restrictions that oppress most workers. Only a boss could embrace this perverse concept of “freedom.”

Individualism versus collectivism

There is a scene in Monty Python’s satire Life of Brian where Brian, not wanting to be the messiah, calls out to the crowd: “You are all individuals.” The crowd responds in unison: “We are all individuals.”

Libertarians, using pseudo-iconoclastic logic, transform this comical send-up of religious conformity into their own secular dogma in which we are all just atomized beings. “Only an individual has rights,” not groups such as workers, Blacks, gays, women, and minorities, Ron Paul argues. True, we are all individuals, but we didn’t just bump into one another. Human beings by nature are social beings who live in a collective, a society. Under capitalism, society is broken down into classes in which some individuals–bosses, for example–wield considerably more power than others–workers.

To advocate for society to be organized on the basis of strict individualism, as libertarians do, is to argue that everyone has the right to do whatever he or she wants. Sounds nice in the abstract, perhaps. But what happens when the desires of one individual infringe on the desires of another? Libertarians like Paul don’t shy away from the logical ramifications of their argument. “The dictatorial power of a majority” he argues ought to be replaced by the unencumbered power of individuals–in other words, the dictatorial power of a minority.

So if the chairman of Dow Chemical wants to flush his company’s toxic effluence into rivers and streams, so be it. If General Motors wants to pay its employees starvation wages, that’s their right too. Right-wing libertarians often appear to not want to grapple with meddlesome things like economic and social power. As the bourgeois radical Abraham Lincoln observed of secessionist slaveowners, “The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people.”

Too much government?

Unwavering hostility to government and its collection of taxes is another hallmark of libertarianism. Given the odious practices of governments under capitalism, their repugnant financial priorities, and bilking of the lower classes through taxation it’s hardly surprising that libertarians get a hearing.

But the conclusion that the problem is “big government” strips the content from the form. Can any working-class perspective seriously assert that we have too much government involvement in providing health care? Too much oversight of the environment, food production, and workplace safety? Would anyone seriously consider hopping a flight without the certainty of national, in fact international, air traffic control? Of course not. The problem doesn’t lie with some abstract construct, “government,” the problem is that the actual class dynamics of governments under capitalism amount to taxing workers and the poor in lieu of the rich and powerful corporations and spending those resources on wars, environmental devastation, and the enrichment of a tiny swath of society at the expense of the rest of us.

Ron Paul argues, “Government by majority rule has replaced strict protection of the individual from government abuse. Right of property ownership has been replaced with the forced redistribution of wealth and property.” Few folks likely to be reading this publication will agree that we actually live in a society where wealth and property are expropriated from the rich and given to workers and the poor. Even the corporate media admit that there has been a wholesale redistribution of wealth in the opposite direction. But Paul exposes here the class nature of libertarianism; it is the provincial political outlook of the middle-class business owner obsessed with guarding his lot. As online anti-libertarian writer Ernest Partridge puts it in “Liberty for some”:

“Complaints against ‘big government’ and ‘over-regulation,’ though often justified, also issue from the privileged who are frustrated at finding that their quest for still greater privileges at the expense of their community are curtailed by a government which, ideally, represents that community. Pure food and drug laws curtail profits and mandate tests as they protect the general public.”

In fact, the libertarians’ opposition to the government, or the state if you will, is less out of hostility to what the state actually does than who is running it. Perhaps this explains Paul’s own clear contradiction when it comes to abortion, since his opposition to government intervention stops at a woman’s uterus. But freedom for socialists has always been about more than the right to choose masters. Likewise, Paul appears to be for “small government” except when it comes to using its power to restrict immigration. His personal right to not have any undocumented immigrants in the U.S. seems to trump the right of free movement of individuals, but not capital, across borders.

Right-wing libertarians, quite simply, oppose the state only insofar as it infringes the right of property owners.

Left-Right alliance?

Some antiwar activists and leftists desperate to revitalize a flagging antiwar movement make appeals to the Left to form a Left-Right bloc with Ron Paul supporters. Even environmental activist and left-wing author Joshua Frank, who writes insightful and often scathing attacks on liberal Democrats’ capitulations to reactionary policies, recently penned an article citing–though not endorsing–Paul’s campaign in calling for leftist antiwar activists to reach out to form a sort of Left-Right antiwar alliance. He argues, “Whether we’re beer swilling rednecks from Knoxville or mushroom eatin’ hippies from Eugene, we need to come together,” (”Embracing a New Antiwar Movement“).

Supporters of Ron Paul who show up to protests should have their reactionary conclusions challenged, not embraced. Those of his supporters who are wholly ignorant of his broader politics beyond the war, should be educated about them. And those who advocate his noxious politics, should be attacked for their racism, immigrant bashing, and hostility to the values a genuine Left champions. The sort of Left-Right alliance Frank advocates is not only opportunistic but is also a repellent to creating the multiracial working-class movement that is sorely needed of we are to end this war. What Arabs, Blacks, Latinos–and antiracist whites, for that matter–would ever join a movement that accommodates to this know-nothing brand of politics?

Discontent with the status quo and the drumbeat of electoralism is driving many activists and progressives to seek out political alternatives. But libertarianism is no radical political solution to inequality, violence, and misery. When the likes of Paul shout: “We need freedom to choose!” we need to ask, “Yes, but freedom for whom?” Because the freedom to starve to death is the most dubious freedom of all.

Sherry Wolf is on the editorial board of the International Socialist Review. She can be reached at sherry@internationalsocialist.org. Read other articles by Sherry.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/why-the-left-must-reject-ron-paul/

This is an interesting article though not totally accurate. Shes mostly right about Paul, as ive been saying for the longest that he is not the right type of libertarian. Hes way too old school and the type of libertarianism he represents is that of the old southern Liberal before they turned into republicans.

But Libertarians come in different forms, i disagree with her opinion about Libertarianism and the notion that Ron paul represents all libertarians. Paul is a Libertarian but hes a strict Constitutionalist and thats mainly what separates him from other Libertarians.
 

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I don't know too much about his position, but it seems like Mr. Paul is all for states rights and wants a small federal government. That sounds all good, but sometimes (and history has shown this) states don't always do the right thing and must be forced by the federal government to do so.
 

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This is an interesting article by Sherry Wolf. Howerver, I do not understand the problem with wanting to control illegal immigration. Our government claims to want to protect Americans citizens from foreign and domestic terrorists. But how serious are Bush and company about protecting Americans when they let just about anyone in this country.

The lady who wrote this article questions people who in her words would support this know nothing brand of Politics." However what is wrong with following the Constitution. Which is Ron Paul's platform. Bush and company claim to want to fight terrorism but at the same time tries to restrict our freedoms with their passage of the Patriot Acts 1 & 2.

In my opinion the current government seems to value groups more then they value individual rights. Am I wrong?
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gene cisco

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Which ever fuck abolishes the IRS and gets the federal government would get my vote, dont care if hes purple.

If you want to have legal weed, and suicide, move to oregon. If you want a bunch of religious nutcases running shit, move to ohio.

States, should be different, and be allowed to represent the interests of those that live there, while the federal government needs to be put on a short rope.
 

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I think those dumping on Paul are jumping to conclusions and getting it wrong.

Sometimes the interviewers don't ask qualifying questions to the answers they get, and sometimes the interviewed expect the listener to have the same information or knowledge that they have and don't bother to expand on an answer they give.

Slavery really could have been ended differently in the U.S. There were several options on the table ... some included sending ALL Blacks back to Africa or placing us in the Caribbean or even Mexico.

Maybe the Civil Rights Act could have been written better. Why not write Ron Paul's campaign site and see if you get a better fleshed out answer from him?
 

mk23666

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States, should be different, and be allowed to represent the interests of those that live there, while the federal government needs to be put on a short rope.

You really believe that? Wouldn't the UNITED STATES become like post Soviet Eastern Europe? :smh:
 

mk23666

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I don't know too much about his position, but it seems like Mr. Paul is all for states rights and wants a small federal government. That sounds all good, but sometimes (and history has shown this) states don't always do the right thing and must be forced by the federal government to do so.

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This is an interesting article though not totally accurate. Shes mostly right about Paul, as ive been saying for the longest that he is not the right type of libertarian. Hes way too old school and the type of libertarianism he represents is that of the old southern Liberal before they turned into republicans.

But Libertarians come in different forms, i disagree with her opinion about Libertarianism and the notion that Ron paul represents all libertarians. Paul is a Libertarian but hes a strict Constitutionalist and thats mainly what separates him from other Libertarians.

That was my only problem with the article too...Ron Paul should never be considered the poster boy for libertarianism mainly because he isn't a libertarian.
He has adopted some of the libertarian ideals but he interprets them as a conservative republican would and that is why I won't vote for him.
About the only thing I see eye to eye with Paul on is his view on the Iraq War.
 

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Malcolm X criticized the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Really? What did he say?:confused:

Malcolm had no faith that the Civil Rights Act would have any type of real and lasting positive impact on poor black people.

As for the March on Washington, Malcolm criticized it because it promoted nonviolence and integration which wasn't something he was feeling at the time.
 

gene cisco

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You really believe that? Wouldn't the UNITED STATES become like post Soviet Eastern Europe? :smh:

I do believe that. Lets say cali allows gay marriage, legal weed, assisted suicide cause thats what the people voted on.

Ohio outlaws all that shit and gambling.

Citizens have a choice what state to live in, without the federal government coming in and arresting people for doing what they voted on(like they do in cali for weed).

The concept was for all states to be the same, just united with certain basic rights. The feds still would carry weight and run the military, but would stay out of people lives on the state level.

Of course this is wishfull thinking, the evil men that founded this country had one thing right, the way they drafted the government was excellent in theory.
They saw if the theory was broken it would become like it is now, with corporations running things and majority rule and soon would resemble a monarchy. The federal government is that monarchy as of now and lets not get started on the IRS.
 
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