damn. I remember that shit..
Steve Harvey's National Mentoring Camp: Natural Hair ≠ Success. Thoughts?
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damn. I remember that shit..
and the reality is. as a black person you can do everything right and still fail completely.
because you're black.
Can't be afraid to fail. Period. But it's better to die trying than to leave your destiny up to your oppressor. Then again that's just my opinion I'm crazy like that. And again more people TRY and more people will DO. It's like baseball, more cubans are in baseball because more of them play. You gotta be in it to win it and can't come around with scary afraid to fail mentality.
No im saying that they are saying change everything about you to fit them
and not telling them that you can change everything about you to fit them and there's a good chance you'll still not get the job or whatever simply because you're black
They're selling it as a solution..oh if you do this you'll get this. when its not.
Got you
I served in the military and worked in corporate America and there is a huge double standard when it comes to hairstyles and appearance codes.
You can see some of the white people showing up to work looking like they just left a grunge concert. Hair unkept, clothes wrinkled and baggy, some have big ass holes in their ears, wild color hair and highly visible tattoos.
In the military you can wear a turbin or one of those small hats if you claim religious belief. You can also avoid shaving by doing so. But to wear natural black hair is a cardinal sin.
The fact is that it ain't about a professional appearance or dress code. It's about them feeling as if your ass has been completely and thoroughly cleansed of any self identity.
Any black person that tells their kids to confirm instead of trying to not only push them in the direction of creating their own but also supporting and backing then financially is a negropean. Plain and simple. You were built for this system and are trying to mold your children to be just like you.
If I have to take a loan out on my home to help my sons become economically independent then that's what I will do. It's what any responsible parent would do. Instead we funnel our children into a system that erases their identify just so they can say they work for somebody else. Just like their daddy did.
You can see some of the white people showing up to work looking like they just left a grunge concert. Hair unkept, clothes wrinkled and baggy, some have big ass holes in their ears, wild color hair and highly visible tattoos.
In the military you can wear a turbin or one of those small hats if you claim religious belief. You can also avoid shaving by doing so. But to wear natural black hair is a cardinal sin.
The fact is that it ain't about a professional appearance or dress code. It's about them feeling as if your ass has been completely and thoroughly cleansed of any self identity.
Any black person that tells their kids to confirm instead of trying to not only push them in the direction of creating their own but also supporting and backing then financially is a negropean. Plain and simple. You were built for this system and are trying to mold your children to be just like you.
If I have to take a loan out on my home to help my sons become economically independent then that's what I will do. It's what any responsible parent would do. Instead we funnel our children into a system that erases their identify just so they can say they work for somebody else. Just like their daddy did.
I agree with the fact that these young men need to learn how to dress for interviews how to look nice, went to look Street and went to look professional. Do you need to learn how to dress neatly, and how to maintain their hair. What I don't agree with is they believe that locks or natural black hair is wrong in some way.
Thank you. I say it all the time so i didn't this time i wanted someone else to say it
We've been cutting our hair clean shaving even have our sisters wearing weave like it's their own hair and it still haven't gotten us anywhere. The white business owner is only going to hire just a small percentage of you anyway. It's best to do business with in our community develop our own companies etc. Steve Harvey just mad because he can't grow hair...bald ass ninja..
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I didn't even notice that. Thanks for putting me on.
I think we all make adjustments to our appearances depending on the occassion. But you're gambling when you try to make yourself look a certain way to "get in the door".
If you're Black....your hairstyles...tatts ....outfits...etc are just superficial factors in the middle of a big shit pile.
If you're Black....your hairstyles...tatts ....outfits...etc are just superficial factors in the middle of a big shit pile.
Slightly off topic...
I do want to know how many of these hairstyles @ballscout1 sported back in the day....
I do want to know how many of these hairstyles @ballscout1 sported back in the day....
Why is a so called black man equating dreads and cornrows to unkempt hair?
They are not and have never been the same.
They are not and have never been the same.
I came in here to say the same exact thing - there is nothing wrong with dressing for success and teaching our young men how to present themselves in a certain manner. Not wearing your natural hair or getting rid of your dreads is sending the wrong message. Certain hairstyles we wear is what make us unique - we should be able to wear them if we choose. I love seeing my beautiful black sisters going natural and showing off there strong head of hair which we have been made to feel ashamed of for so long. Steve Harvey is all about playing the game to win even if means sacrificing his dignity and manhood . There is a reason he hosts family feud and has his own talk show. He has let his white handlers know he is a yes man, and he is willing to spread his poison to the black youth. This is the same man that wanted Paula Deen to come to his camp and teach young black men culinary skills - you mean he couldn't invite G. Garvin or another black chef?
There is a difference between cooperate military attire and professional.
Neatly done hair WHAT EVER the style is fine and professional.
So a woman with a bad lace front wig or exposed weave tracks is somehow better than a woman with thick dreads?
Cause the hair is straight?
On the real white people scared of BEARDS on black men...let alone dreads braids etc.
So that black dude on arrow with the cartoon afro looks MORE professional than a dude with baby dreds?
F*ck that.
Neatly done hair WHAT EVER the style is fine and professional.
So a woman with a bad lace front wig or exposed weave tracks is somehow better than a woman with thick dreads?
Cause the hair is straight?
On the real white people scared of BEARDS on black men...let alone dreads braids etc.
So that black dude on arrow with the cartoon afro looks MORE professional than a dude with baby dreds?
F*ck that.
Again unkempt is unkempt black white Latino what have you...
But interesting a white guy can go on a job interview with a nice dress shirt tie blazer dark jeans and soft bottom shoes and be preppy,
Black man?
Bummy.
But interesting a white guy can go on a job interview with a nice dress shirt tie blazer dark jeans and soft bottom shoes and be preppy,
Black man?
Bummy.
Why do blacks ALWAYS have to change shit? You would NEVER hear ANYONE tell a Jewish person to cut their hair, in order to become successful.
What did Anthony Mackie say???
Why do blacks ALWAYS have to change shit? You would NEVER hear ANYONE tell a Jewish person to cut their hair, in order to become successful.
What did Anthony Mackie say???
I posted it in one of my earlier comments. I'm on my phone right now tho but it's in this thread.
If I saw a doctor with dreads I would assume that he must be exceptional at his job to go this far in this system with dreads...that is the message...be who you are but understand the system is fuckery and hates you...you can do your thing but you better be good
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ok cool... i'll check it
The USA is anti-Black so all these discussions stem from that.
I used to work in corporate America when I had locs and I didn't have a problem, but that is because I had mentors who knew me from the time before I had locs. My parents initially thought I would have problems and discouraged me from growing my hair. I understood their vantage point. They grew up in a different time and assimilation meant survival, but I was my own man and I didn't want to remain in corporate America.
Now, I am in the NYC metro area and this was the early 90's so they are more likely to be liberal, but in the end we have to be who we are. It is not fair to have that burden, but life isn fair and someone has to do it. If we constantly capitulate to the images that make other people feel comfortable then we can't be fully realized. That is the burden of being a pioneer.
So, I feel that it sends the wrong message to our youth that they will have to assimilate in order to thrive in this county. It is also an indictment of our inability to create an environment and provide opportunities for them to thrive.
As a small business owner, I mentor young people and assist in whichever way I can to help give them the opportunities to learn and grow in a safe environment. I am stern but fair and expect nothing less than their best.
I used to work in corporate America when I had locs and I didn't have a problem, but that is because I had mentors who knew me from the time before I had locs. My parents initially thought I would have problems and discouraged me from growing my hair. I understood their vantage point. They grew up in a different time and assimilation meant survival, but I was my own man and I didn't want to remain in corporate America.
Now, I am in the NYC metro area and this was the early 90's so they are more likely to be liberal, but in the end we have to be who we are. It is not fair to have that burden, but life isn fair and someone has to do it. If we constantly capitulate to the images that make other people feel comfortable then we can't be fully realized. That is the burden of being a pioneer.
So, I feel that it sends the wrong message to our youth that they will have to assimilate in order to thrive in this county. It is also an indictment of our inability to create an environment and provide opportunities for them to thrive.
As a small business owner, I mentor young people and assist in whichever way I can to help give them the opportunities to learn and grow in a safe environment. I am stern but fair and expect nothing less than their best.
steve trying his version. What worked for him. Fuck yall doing?? Yall even trying?? SMDH
When will these cats learn. If you want to coon and self-hate then put those words behind a dope beat. Nobody cares what you say as long as it's behind a dope beat. They'll call it "entertainment".
I never had dreads and still fit the image police and white folks see that is negative. I am a Black male.Nothing else matters.Tap dancing and cooning ain't gonna save Black people.Black empowerment through economics will though.
PREACH!
Notice the "US Army" plug? When ever theres an economic situation , you start to see an influx of Army recruits roaming around poor neighborhoods. Especially neighborhoods of color. Its been that way for years. Over the last year and a half Steve Harvey he's been hustling with the US Army while they try to recruit poor Young Black boys...WHO CANT FIND JOBS. The folks on this board who used to serve in the Military, Army etc dont want to acknowledge the hustle...but it is a hustle. And a sad one at that.
As for Dr Steve Perry.....he's been hustling off poor Black kids for 10+ years via the "education hustle". He's the guy who got P Diddy interested in hustling off charter schools; charter school whose main focus is graduation rates, instead of the reality that follows after graduation.
Is cutting your hair, joining the military or going to college better than sitting on the block and doing nothing? Yea. But dont try to make it seem as if not going to college or wearing the right outfit is the main reason why theres such a big wealth gap between us and everyone else.
Theres nothing wrong with holding yourself accountable...but address all the factors and address them accordingly...instead of trying to "assimilate" your way thru life.
As for Dr Steve Perry.....he's been hustling off poor Black kids for 10+ years via the "education hustle". He's the guy who got P Diddy interested in hustling off charter schools; charter school whose main focus is graduation rates, instead of the reality that follows after graduation.
Is cutting your hair, joining the military or going to college better than sitting on the block and doing nothing? Yea. But dont try to make it seem as if not going to college or wearing the right outfit is the main reason why theres such a big wealth gap between us and everyone else.
Theres nothing wrong with holding yourself accountable...but address all the factors and address them accordingly...instead of trying to "assimilate" your way thru life.
Absolutely not however I think
All I discussed above was pertaining to helping young people get in the door when job searching.
There is no legal way to address the evil your speaking about.
Steve Harvey is a hustler. Plain and simple. I respect his hustle. He works hard in his field. But I don't think he's funny and he conned women with bullshit relationship advice and he's been married 3 times and cheated on his ex-wife and possibly his current wife. I do respect that he's helping our black youth. But I don't like the message he's sending.
My thing is if you are going to tell Black kids to cut there hair give them the story in proper context. What Harvey and Perry said is the bullshit coon way.
They tried to put the blame on the kids Black hair without explaining white people are racist pieces of shit that will prevent your progress by any means necessary.
You start a convo like that by telling them"If you personally feel they are denying you entry into the work force and you have to cut your hair do so.If that gets you in the door because it's not a guarantee,then work your ass off and learn all you humanly can and then quietly start your own business with that same knowledge.The Black GOD gave you your Black hair don't ever let anyone say you are worth less with it"
Dreads never stopped me
In fact it saved me from working in some racist ass companies
You see me and you see BLACK
with that comes knowing where the fucking line is and never crossing it
That's a beautiful peaceful life right there with much less fuckery
the other part of the game needs to be tight though
you need to be THE fucking man
In fact it saved me from working in some racist ass companies
You see me and you see BLACK
with that comes knowing where the fucking line is and never crossing it
That's a beautiful peaceful life right there with much less fuckery
the other part of the game needs to be tight though
you need to be THE fucking man
it takes generational investments
e.g.
if i do a tech startup tomorrow and want to hire employees
if there is no Black Girls Code and Hidden genius, the black talent pool would be small
These orgs invest in the next generation by providing solid bases of talent that we can hire
So while we are doing our thing in corporate america, we have a responsibility to mentor those coming up to increase the numbers of us