Teacher goes viral for listing banned words in her classroom

notreally

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When I taught it was tricky to me. I did not like students talking "black" to me whatever that means especially non black students

And if you used slang? You better be able to justify it. And I would USALLY use it as an exercise for writing overall.

It was tricky because I was so against banned books and words in historical text. But I also didn't like using the n word or having a verbal crutch or lazy language.

The teacher SHOULD have had them JUSTIFY using the words

have them submit a handwritten paper on the spot explaining the etymology of the word and how and why it is used

and if it was GOOD? You could say it.


This doesn't even come close to making sense.
Words only have the power we give them.

What you described is an authoritarian approach to teaching, which any teacher worth her/his pay learned NOT to do early in their career.

Requiring that people (that is what students are, very young PEOPLE) jump through a series of arbitrarily constructed hoops to justify the way THEIR COMMUNITY TAUGHT THEM TO COMMUNICATE is degrading. Why should thier dialect have to be justified? After all, what WE call standard American English is actually a DIALECT of English. This is why Brits don't speak the way we speak in the States.

It is a FAR better approach to accept their language, slang and all, and insist that it is IMPERATIVE for a black person to know how to communicate effectively in MOST situations, which requires the attainment of some level of fluency with the English language.

It is absolutely absurd to suggest that a language variant-that is what "black English" is- denotes something that has to be justified by the speaker.

Interacting with them the way you described would do nothing but sow discontent, and resentment. You have questioned the legitimacy of their way of communicating without just cause or provocation.

Being a teacher is like being a Viet Nam vet. A WHOLE lot of people claim to have been educators once upon a time. Few who make the claim were actually professionally trained and intellectually prepared for the job.

There are a WHOLE lot of substitute teachers masquerading as professionals. In Michigan, you can actually go to the Department of Education website and enter the names of teachers. If they are employed by a district in the state, their credentials will be listed. It will also show that a person is a substitute if said person is not professionally credentialed.

More than half of my colleagues were in some sort of half-assed alternative education program that allowed them a waiver to teach in lieu of actual teaching credentials. They were NOT professional, certified teachers.

I often referred to them as the "he be, she be, we be teachers", not because they used"black English" (I HATE that term), but because it was the ONLY dialect they knew how to use fluently.

There is (or SHOULD be) a difference between a sub with an emergency teaching cert, and a real, certified, professionally trained teacher.

By the way, many of the "non-black" students talk the way they do because they come from where they come from. Eminem does not speak the way he does because he is trying to sound black. He uses the dialect in which he was raised, which is predominant, even among white folks, in the metro Detroit area.
 
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notreally

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I agree. How hard is it to learn the appropriate time to use slang?. You have people who think it would be OK for one of these kids to eventually go to a job interview and call the interview bro. If they don’t know, that is our job to teach them. So they can use slang whenever they want, just not in class. I took a Spanish class in college and we were only allowed to speak Spanish. How is this any different?

It is different because you are treating their native dialect as something inferior.

As a teacher, I used slang ALL of the time, and often switched back and forth between "East Side Detroitese" and standard American English.

It is difficult to teach anyone anything when you go into a situation insisting you know the right way to do everything and your students know nothing.

Not only is it dead wrong, you miss the opportunity to learn something yourself.

This is what an EDUCATOR does, as opposed to someone who went from selling tacos to "teaching" because there is a severe teaching shortage and the bottom of the barrel is being scraped for warm bodies able to run a classroom.
 

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I didn't click the link, but does it state this was directed at Black students? At a glance, most of the terms are popular amongst the streamer community or internet talk. As a kid visiting ATL, alot of people said finna regardless of race. In the modern age, what may have been culture for the DMV only is now happening in Canada because of the internet. Popular trends spread quickly and go beyond Black people. It's hard to even trace where trends started today.

I agree it can be a problem, but I don't know about banning terms. I guess if it's an English class. Similar to how some foreign language classes discourage using English in class. The purpose of an English class is to teach formal English.

The truth is people get old and forget they were once kids. Encourage kids to balance it out instead of trying to shame them. Usually people/adults feel uncomfortable because they don't understand what is being communicated. Instead of outright banning words, take the time to learn the dialect. Meet kids where they are and pull them up.
 

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:roflmao::roflmao2::roflmao3:

By the way, I don’t believe this story is real.

It probably isn't.

One wonders why the question was not simply asked without the false narrative as a support.

In any event, it is a relevant topic. We pay FAR too much attention to HOW something is said,
as opposed to responding to the SUBSTANCE of what is being said.

Actually, people used to say that jazz was "devil music" and that Thelonious Monk played "incorrectly" because the genre and the man diverged from what was considered convention in music.

Their opinions did not age well.
 
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notreally

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These seem like a list of words black people use. I'm gonna need more context. Like what color is the teacher? What color are the students? What grade is this? Each of these factors creates a different dimension for the issue. Is this a white teacher telling black 12th grade honor students how to speak? Is it a black teacher with a room full of trailer trash, white kindergarteners? That becomes an entirely different issue.
It should not.

Truth remains truth, even if issued forth from the devil's mouth.

That said, the idea of people having "rights" to certain words is ridiculous, and borders on Orwellian.

Words have extreme power.

However, they are mere guttural utterances without context, meaning and perception, all of which we as human beings construct.

It is foolish to be afraid of a word.

The idea of others whispering the words "white people" when it comes up in conversation comes to mind. The fact that one whispers the mere mention of white people is indicative of a level of awe and reverence that white people have proven time and time again is undeserved.

It is even more foolish to assign convention with respect to speech according to what one looks like.

I have been told on many occasions that I speak like a white man. (It is generally expected to be taken as a compliment. It is not.)

My response? No. There are many white people who speak like ME.

I am multi-dialectal.
 
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yureeka9

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It should not.

Truth remains truth, even if issued forth from the devil's mouth.

That said, the idea of people having "rights" to certain words is ridiculous, and borders on Orwellian.

Words have extreme power.

However, they are mere guttural utterances without context, meaning and perception, all of which we as human beings construct.

It is foolish to be afraid of a word.

The idea of others whispering the words "white people" when it comes up in conversation comes to mind. The fact that one whispers the mere mention of white people is indicative of a level of awe and reverence that white people have proven time and time again is undeserved.

It is even more foolish to assign convention with respect to speech according to what one looks like.
In a perfect world this comment would be canon. Unfortunately we are nowhere close to social perfection so to accommodate the infinite perspectives possible on a scenario like this, having the most information possible is usually the best course of action. Just my .02
 
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