The Return of Ta-Nehisi Coates: A decade after “The Case for Reparations,” he is ready to take on Israel, Palestine, and the American media

[Costanza]

Excellent interview with Jon Stewart on the The Daily Show.

I just watched this.

I disagreed with Coates here:

"There is great not always spoken shame in the Black community over the kind of physical traumas we've endured. You gotta understand, man, every single one of us, every single African-American, is a child of sexual violence. All of us. All of us. There is not a single pure African-American who came through slavery. There is an amount of humiliation in that."

He then takes it to the 60s which I think is a better point but:

#1. Nobody on earth is pure.

#2. Rape doesn't make a child impure and it certainly doesn't mark all future descendants until the end of time.

Does anyone agree with Coates? Stewart did but I think it is a flawed perspective. I get it but I think it's absurd to say every African-American (or every ADOS) "is a child of sexual violence."

 

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I just watched this.

I disagreed with Coates here:

"There is great not always spoken shame in the Black community over the kind of physical traumas we've endured. You gotta understand, man, every single one of us, every single African-American, is a child of sexual violence. All of us. All of us. There is not a single pure African-American who came through slavery. There is an amount of humiliation in that."

He then takes it to the 60s which I think is a better point but:

#1. Nobody on earth is pure.

#2. Rape doesn't make a child impure and it certainly doesn't mark all future descendants until the end of time.

Does anyone agree with Coates? Stewart did but I think it is a flawed perspective. I get it but I think it's absurd to say every African-American (or every ADOS) "is a child of sexual violence."

If not directly, then indirectly so.

Were all the women R worded? No

Were all the bucks "broken?" No

Were all of the slaves whipped or beaten? No

No, but the point was that if you make it violent, pronounced or traumatic enough then the message will spread to those that were spared.

So, to answer the question, no not "all" were made "impure."

But a significant number of them "got the message."

Sn: I also want to mention some were specifically targeted because of certain aspects of their "sex. A certain "buck" is forced to "breed" certain women..... or they are attacked physically/verbally because of certain traits they may have. " I include that in the sexual trauma category. "

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

And a lot of them are true allies!

No, not really. The Jews are exactly who they’ve been throughout history.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

If not directly, then indirectly so.

Were all the women R worded? No

Were all the bucks "broken?" No

Were all of the slaves whipped or beaten? No

No, but the point was that if you make it violent, pronounced or traumatic enough then the message will spread to those that were spared.

So, to answer the question, no not "all" were made "impure."

But a significant number of them "got the message."

Sn: I also want to mention some were specifically targeted because of certain aspects of their "sex. A certain "buck" is forced to "breed" certain women..... or they are attacked physically/verbally because of certain traits they may have. " I include that in the sexual trauma category. "

Third Party Assault.

 

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[Supersav]

He's the safe black guy they look to for their opinions on things of this nature.

 

[Costanza]

He's the safe black guy they look to for their opinions on things of this nature.

How is he safe relative to others?

 

[Supersav]

How is he safe relative to others?

What others? I listened to a good discussion on the book yesterday

 

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[Costanza]

What others?

You called him "the safe black guy" like he's the #1 racial tap dancer in the country.

I don't see him as a tap dancer at all. Reparations, Gaza-- Damn, what's the man gotta address for you?

 

[Supersav]

You called him "the safe black guy" like he's the #1 racial tap dancer in the country.

I don't see him as a tap dancer at all. Reparations, Gaza-- Damn, what's the man gotta address for you?

I didn't say he's the number 1 anything... obviously to be a top selling writer you have to have a lot of white people as fans of you work which makes you safe in their eyes. Never said he's a coon or tap dancing. It wasn't long ago when he was a favorite of Zionist and writing for a Zionist paper

Back in 2017, he deleted his Twitter account with millions of followers and went into occultation following a scathing critique levelled against him by the unflinching moral conscience of Cornel West, a distinguished scholar and activist who called him "the neoliberal face of the Black freedom struggle."

Coates soon left his main outlet, The Atlantic, a major Zionist operation run by former Israeli prison guard Jeffrey Goldberg, that was grooming him as a feather in their Israeli hat. For years, he would oblige.

Coates published his 2008 hymn for Israel, " The Negro Sings of Zionism," which he followed with "The Case for Reparations" in 2014. The essay, which sparked criticism among Palestine advocates, made him a darling of American Zionists.

Coates presented Israel as the model for reparations and thought African Americans ought to do the same as the Israeli state did with Germans.

 

[Supersav]

Coates] also visibly struggles with the question, "Why do white people like what I write?'' This is a fraught issue for the very few writers from formerly colonized countries or historically disadvantaged minorities in the West who are embraced by "legacy" periodicals, and then tasked with representing their people—or country, religion, race, and even continent (as in The New York Times's praise for Salman Rushdie: "A continent finding its voice"). Relations between the anointed "representative" writer and those who are denied this privilege by white gatekeepers are notoriously prickly. Coates, a self-made writer, is particularly vulnerable to the charge that he is popular among white liberals since he assuages their guilt about racism.

 

[Costanza]

I didn't say he's the number 1 anything... obviously to be a top selling writer you have to have a lot of white people as fans of you work which makes you safe in their eyes. Never said he's a coon or tap dancing. It wasn't long ago when he was a favorite of Zionist and writing for a Zionist paper

Back in 2017, he deleted his Twitter account with millions of followers and went into occultation following a scathing critique levelled against him by the unflinching moral conscience of Cornel West, a distinguished scholar and activist who called him "the neoliberal face of the Black freedom struggle."

Coates soon left his main outlet, The Atlantic, a major Zionist operation run by former Israeli prison guard Jeffrey Goldberg, that was grooming him as a feather in their Israeli hat. For years, he would oblige.

Coates published his 2008 hymn for Israel, " The Negro Sings of Zionism," which he followed with "The Case for Reparations" in 2014. The essay, which sparked criticism among Palestine advocates, made him a darling of American Zionists.

Coates presented Israel as the model for reparations and thought African Americans ought to do the same as the Israeli state did with Germans.

Regardless of who owns it, it's ridiculous to call The Atlantic "a major Zionist operation" as if it is dedicated to advancing Zionism when well over 99% of what they publish has nothing to do with that.

Also, when you say "the safe black guy," that reads as singular-- that's why I said #1.

Appreciate the info! I didn't know about that essay.

 

[Costanza]

Coates] also visibly struggles with the question, "Why do white people like what I write?''

Having a majority white supporter-base in a solidly white majority country is not grounds for saying one is liked by white people. A majority of white people in this country don't read, let alone care about TNC. You're making his appeal sound like Trump's.

This is a fraught issue for the very few writers from formerly colonized countries or historically disadvantaged minorities in the West who are embraced by "legacy" periodicals, and then tasked with representing their people—or country, religion, race, and even continent (as in The New York Times's praise for Salman Rushdie: "A continent finding its voice"). Relations between the anointed "representative" writer and those who are denied this privilege by white gatekeepers are notoriously prickly. Coates, a self-made writer, is particularly vulnerable to the charge that he is popular among white liberals since he assuages their guilt about racism.

I don't think that it is true that his work "assuages their guilt about racism." To the contrary, I think his white supporters are largely that group of people known as "guilty white liberals"-- people who apologize for being white an support affirmative action and maybe even reparations, certainly racial justice as a general concept. I think these are people who either own their guilt or don't feel any particular personal guilt but support a racial justice agenda to at least some extent.

 

[Supersav]

Having a majority white supporter-base in a solidly white majority country is not grounds for saying one is liked by white people. A majority of white people in this country don't read, let alone care about TNC. You're making his appeal sound like Trump's.



I don't think that it is true that his work "assuages their guilt about racism." To the contrary, I think his white supporters are largely that group of people known as "guilty white liberals"-- people who apologize for being white an support affirmative action and maybe even reparations, certainly racial justice as a general concept. I think these are people who either own their guilt or don't feel any particular personal guilt but support a racial justice agenda to at least some extent.

Throughout history it's happened like that tho...Richard wright was the one then his understudy Baldwin wrote a critique of him and took his spot...the other writers hated Baldwin for a time because he was in the spotlight...none of the radical writers where supported by major white publishing houses...zora had to work as a waitress and off jobs

 

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[BlackGoku]

Very good explanation of what President Obama said and how he said it and I said this from the start about how President Obama approached the that "conversation" with black men. I also agree with him about Kamala being able to speak to black men.



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