Trump supporters react to family separations
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One of my Navy buddies from there use to joke about that shit all the time. Guess he wasn’t joking.
A desk appearance ticket (DAT) is written notice issued by a police officer requiring a defendant to appear in court at a later date to respond to an accusation that you have committed an offense. DAT is considered as arrest. DATs are only issued for crimes in which there is little chance that the defendant will flee the jurisdiction and the crime is not severe. For example, misdemeanors which are crimes for which the maximum punishment is one year in jail. However, it can also be issued occasionally for violations, such as disorderly conduct and E felony offenses.
In the Desk Appearance Ticket procedure, the police prepare most of the paperwork in the usual way, but instead of making a person wait to see a judge for the arraignment, they give a date when the person is required to be present in court for arraignment. The advantage is that actual arrest, booking, and incarceration before arraignment can be avoided. If the defendant does not return to court on the date indicated on the DAT, the prosecution can request and a judge can issue a bench warrant for the defendant’s arrest.
SO WHAT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WHICH YOU CONTINUALLY FAIL TO ADDRESS IN YOUR DAT RANT IS......FAMILY B IS A FLIGHT RISK-
Furthermore being detained in Border states, NOT NYC-do these States have a DESK APPEARANCE POLICY? You think that shit exists in these southern states? lmao (off to the Magistrate)...I got you intelligent homebody,never been in cuffs, an idealist-the world is beautiful
IF's and But's....
got 3 words for you in closing
LOCK THEM UP.
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My nigga how u been
based on your last post it seems you imagine that the homeless and tourists are never released on ROR...
ok Paris - tell me more about your efforts to seek criminal justice reform...
Unlike you I addressed the facts - I told you what happens everyday in NYC - a misdemeanor is not enough for them to take up space in the jails here - as long as they have proper ID its ROR for every muni judge... and NYPD acts accordingly:
hundreds of homeless, migrants, visitors, tourists are released by NYPD or courts on ROR daily
With each new post you show more of your ignorance and self hate -
The US recognized points of entry for Homeland ICE include NYC (like most major port cities or international airport hubs ie: Chicago) -
in addition to border states
but lets keep it very simple for you:
California is a border state- and LA is a sanctuary city with almost identical practices to NYC)
its kinda entertaining how you regurgitate slogans for massa without having even basic knowledge
Lets see what other fantasies of US laws you regurgitate for your alt right massas- So far in this thread you just keep repeating the same limited ignorance
I see you working hard day n night for Trump's love, Paris...
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Tweet storm
ok Paris - unlike you I addressed the facts - I told you what happens everyday in NYC - a misdemeanor is not enough for them to take up space in the jails here (as a person who has been held no bail for Misdemeanor NYC-I personally disagree, ID is not the only factor in determining Bail-who the fuck are you kidding, you think everyone on the island is being held for a Felony)- as long as they have proper ID its ROR for every muni judge... and NYPD acts accordingly:
hundreds of homeless and migrants are released by NYPD or courts on ROR daily
I GET IT YOU SO SMART YOUR FUCKING DUMB-YOU KEEP REFERENCING AN IF, IF THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IN ORDER-NOW FLIP THE COIN. WHEN THEY DONT WHAT HAPPENS? NOW LETS LOOK AT WHERE FOLKS ARE BEING APPREHENDED , IS NYC LEADING ? SO USING NYC'S VERSION OF PROCESSING ONLY SERVES THE PURPOSE TO KEEP YOUR LIPS FLAPPING.
With each new post you show more of your ignorance and self hate -PLEASE I IMPLORE YOU TO EXPLAIN HOW I AM DEMONSTRATING SELF HATE ,WHEN IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS ITS NOT FOLKS THAT LOOK LIKE ME OR SHARE THE SAME HERITAGE..
The US recognized points of entry for Homeland ICE include NYC - in addition to border states (lets keep it very simple for you: California is a border state- and LA is a sanctuary city with almost identical practices to NYC)-ONE THING NEW YORKERS LOVE IS TO THINK NYC IS THE CENTER OF THE WORLD AND THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS SIMILAR PRACTICES...LETS LOOK AT THE APPREHENSION CHART FOR RELEVANCY..
its kinda entertaining how you regurgitate slogans for massa without having even basic knowledge LOL YOU HUNG UP ON THIS MASSA THING, YOU PROBALLY LOVE PINK TOES...
Lets see what other fantasies of US laws you regurgitate for your alt right massas- So far in this thread you just keep repeating the same limited ignorance YOU HAVE YET TO ARTICULATE
I see you working hard day n night for Trump's love, Paris...LOL WHAT ARE WE KIDS... I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I...
DUDE-You emotional not Factual...
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-co...02/07144814/FT_18.01.18_ICEarrests_CHART1.png
https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017
FY2016 and FY2017 ICE Removals by Country of Citizenship Country of Citizenship FY2016 FY2017
Mexico 149,821 128,765 Guatemala 33,940
BUT YOU RIGHT IM COONING- Cuz the Mexican, Guatemalan, Honduran, El Salvadoran, Dominican,Ecuadorian is the BLACK STRUGGLE...
I never knew
lets do the math... do we continue talking about the few hundred or the millions...WHAT MEANS THE WORLD TO YOU-? PARIS my bad JUAN
https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/
https://www.uclalawreview.org/pdf/59-6-2.pdf
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http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-co...02/07144814/FT_18.01.18_ICEarrests_CHART1.png
https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017
FY2016 and FY2017 ICE Removals by Country of Citizenship Country of Citizenship FY2016 FY2017
Mexico 149,821 128,765 Guatemala 33,94033,570 Honduras 21,994
22,381 El Salvador 20,538 18,838 Haiti 310
5,578 Dominican Republic 1,981 1,986 Brazil 1,095
1,413 Ecuador 1,099
1,152 Colombia 1,156
1,082
BUT YOU RIGHT IM COONING- Cuz the Mexican, Guatemalan, Honduran, El Salvadoran, Dominican,Ecuadorian is the BLACK STRUGGLE...
I never knew
irrelevant... you are wrong on the law and process, (btw notice where LA is on your rankings)
you are bankrupt on the morality,
you have repeatedly shown your ignorance of the causes you professed a desire for us to focus on instead...
now you want to shift it to nationalities / ethnicity so you can find cover to support your massa in hating immigrants (except Europeans of course)
how many times have you typed the word "black" in this thread?
its funny how practitioners of tom coonery hide behind a "black" facade, with superficial often ignorant pandering to "black" issues or causes when defending a white wash
Juan- just several questions. lets see if a direct answer can be given
1. Does Los Angeles have a system for Desk Appearance Tickets? If not, Why is Desk Appearance Tickets a topic of your conversation? "What are the determining factors which go into deciding who can receive a Desk Appearance Ticket-Do ILLEGALS meet the threshold?"
2. Is my stance based on ILLEGAL immigration? and if so, does that not encompass ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?
3. What happens when an individual is brought before a magistrate/judge for a Misdemeanor charge and Bail is given? Secondly what happens to the dependent if there exists no suitable individuals for said dependent to be released to?
4. What are some of the determinations in granting bail? And do ILLEGALS meet all these standards?
in the interim let me line item your previous response
1. irrelevant... you are wrong on the law and process (please enlighten me on the law, with references.)- Regarding process-shit I've been thru the process enough myself to be semi novice at it.You can't tell me shit when it comes to BAIL-MY Statement is and continues to be STANDARDIZE THE PROCESS-NO DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT...
2. (btw notice where LA is on your rankings) YES AND NOTICE WHERE NYC IS, AND NOTICE THE CITIES WITH THE HIGHEST APPREHENSIONS-MUTE POINT
you are bankrupt on the morality, THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ISNT MORAL-IT RIPS FAMILIES APART UNDER THE GUISE OF REHABILITATION..WHAT SEPARATES THIS ISSUE
3. you have repeatedly shown your ignorance of the causes you professed a desire for us to focus on instead... FUNNY YOU HAVENT ADDRESSED ANY OF THESE CAUSES..SO INFORM ME, ENLIGHTEN ME- I LIKE LEARNING NEW THINGS.
4.now you want to shift it to nationalities / ethnicity so you can find cover to support your massa in hating immigrants (except Europeans of course) YOUR REALLY HUNG UP ON THIS MASSA THING...ONLY YOU KEEP BRINGING THAT INTO THE FOREFRONT...IN MY NATIONALIST VIEW, ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN GET IT REGARDLESS OF ETHNICITY, PORT OF ENTRY, TYPE OF ENTRY ETC
5. how many times have you typed the word "black" in this thread? OHH BUT IM THE ONE WITH SELF HATE...LET ME HELP YOU NUBIAN, AFRICAN AMERICAN..
its funny how practitioners of tom coonery hide behind a "black" facade, with superficial often ignorant pandering to "black" issues or causes when defending a white wash AND HAVING DIFFERENT VIEWS EQUATES TO PERPETUATING STEROTYPES-WOW THATS DEEP...DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT ALL BY YOURSELF JUAN?[/QUOTE]
1. asked and answered in previous posts - for example - there is no difference between illegal alien or citizen during the criminal process of the law & cities like NYC and LA its standard to release undocumented aliens on ror
2. in your posts you do not know what your stance is based on - because you are ignorant of the law like in the question above-and in question 4
In this thread you previously posted that illegal immigration was a substantial crime until you were made aware its a misdemeanor,
then in defense of Trump you asked for examples of misdemeanor arrests that would not result in family separation, it was pointed out to you DATs are given in most misdemeanors to avoid jailing offenders
and even if processed they are ROR
3. In NYC if there is no history of previous arrests / convictions - no pending charges other than the current charge misdemeanor= ROR
the rest of the question is irrelevant if there are no other pending charges and no criminal history
4. irrelevant - see above - #1 and #3
basically if the process worked the way you imagine - out of town visitors and the homeless would never get RoR
How can you be ok posting about 'we need to focus on reform of the bail system as a "black" issue instead' when you don't understand anything about it?
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its obvious you are nationalist, Paris
in a few more posts you'll eventually admit the white part too
so far all you've done is repeat yourself in this thread - you haven't researched or even googled any of the info rebutting your alt right points...
so carry on with your 'nationalist' ravings: "illegal immigrants bad - citizens first -
maybe later you'll even change your sn to "black safado"
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1. asked and answered in previous posts - for example - there is no difference between illegal alien or citizen during the criminal process of the law & cities like NYC and LA its standard to release undocumented aliens on for ...juan-not the answer to the question. Which part of the CRIMINAL PROCESS has changed? Your talking and not listening..YOU mentioned DAT's, YOU...THE part you failing to listen to is: WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE HELD 'BOND' WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THEIR CHILDREN...
Now your starting a complete separate conversation-The criminal process isn't changed for Illegals/legals, which wasn't even the topic in the first place....ITS A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXPERIENCE OF FAMILY INDIVIDUALS HELD UNDER ICE AND FAMILY INDIVIDUALS HELD UNDER THE CRIMINAL COURTS. WHY SHOULD THE DIFFER?
2. in your posts you do not know what your stance is based on - because you are ignorant of the law like in the question above-and in question 4
In this thread you previously posted that illegal immigration was a substantial crime until you were made aware its a misdemeanor,SUBSTANTIAL CRIME? WTF? A MISDEMEANOR CAN LEAD TO A YEAR INCARCERATION ILLEGAL OR NOT...
then in defense of TrumpWOW YOU COULDNT WAIT TO BRING THAT NAME UP HUH you asked for examples of misdemeanor arrests that would not result in family separation, it was pointed out to you DATs are given in most misdemeanors to avoid jailing offendersand even if processed they are ROR...JUAN YOU STILL RUNNING FROM THE WHEN BOND ISNT GIVEN. WHAT HAPPENS.
3. In NYC if there is no history of previous arrests / convictions - no pending charges other than the current charge misdemeanor= ROR
the rest of the question is irrelevant if there are no other pending charges and no criminal history. WHAT OTHER FACTORS ARE INVOLVED ? http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/opca/pdfs/2013-3-attachment-2-criminal--procedure-law-510-30.pdf
AND I GET IT YOU KEEP YAPPING OF WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL IS BONDED. THE DISCONNECT YOU KEEP SKIPPING IS WHEN THEY DONT.....
WHEN THEY DONT MEET THE CRITERIA ...
ITS NOT ALWAYS SUNNY
4. irrelevant - see above - #1 and #3...JUAN I GET YOU NOW... U RUN AND CHANGE TOPICS,CUZ WHAT WE BOTH SHOULD KNOW IS ILLEGALS ARE HELD UNDER ICE NOT A CRIMINAL COURT.
AND ITS ACTUALLY MY FAULT FOR GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU.
LOCK THEM UP ....
basically if the process worked the way you imagine - o
These smart dumb ones i tell you...
citizens first-ISNT A BAD THING....MAYBE THE COMMUNITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE MINDSET AND IMPLEMENTATION
illegal immigrants- NEVER VOICED AN OPINION ON BAD OR GOOD.-ITS A PROCESS THING ..CAN YOU DIG IT... NOT AGAINST IMMIGRATION SEPARATE THE THE TWO...ITS REALLY NOT THAT DEEP OF A CONCEPT, EMOTIONS MAKE IT..
Arriving Alien
If the alien is detained entering the US, the removal proceeding is almost always entirely with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The DHS has "exclusive jurisdiction" over arriving aliens, and the Immigration Court does not interfere with the decisions of the DHS.
An arriving alien does not have a right to bond - to be released while in proceedings. In some cases, the DHS may offer "parole" or permission to enter the US for a short time while the DHS makes its own decisions on removal.
MAGA- I WOULD BE INSULTED IF I VALUED YOUR OPINION...BUT AGAIN APPARENTLY THATS YOUR FOCUS NOT MINE..
AND REALLY BLACK SAFADO...ISNT THE WORD BLACK ENGLISH- So it really wouldn't go...BUT AGAIN YOUR THE SMART ONE... YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT..
ADIOS JUAN
https://www.ice.gov/detention-management
https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/
https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017
https://www.ice.gov/detention-management
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r i f ... and you either didn't read my previous posts nor the pdf you just posted OR your comprehension was consistently low for both
section 1 answers your question again
1. Determinations of applications for recognizance or bail are not in all cases discretionary but are subject to rules, prescribed in article five hundred thirty and other provisions of law relating to specific kinds of criminal actions and proceedings, providing (a) that in some circumstances such an application must as a matter of law be granted, (b) that in others it must as a matter of law be denied and the principal committed to or retained in the custody of the sheriff, and (c) that in others the granting or denial thereof is a matter of judicial discretion.
but hey it must be easier for you to just aspire to assimilate with cacs
its your prejudice shame and a strong desire to please pink toes that kept you running in the same circle in this thread
ok Paris - those are cool links you posted but based on your history in this thread you've established that
either you didn't read those pages or if you did
you lack any comprehension of the contents
Been straight big bruh. It's been a while since I been round these parts tho
Oh I know. Yo avi is undefeated
Ultimately I can't get on your vibration fam. Because what it boils down to whether you acknowledge it or not, is that you want injustice meted out equally. So again, your moral vision is limited to the confines created by white supremacists.
There's no equivalence at all in the scenarios you're using to justify this bullshit. There's nothing analogous to some family risking everything to get to a better future and whatever misdemeanor you've imagined here. And before you reach to misinterpret what I've said I KNOW the system is evil af to black folks daily and I protest that shit mind, body and soul.
What seperates us is that I won't be ok with a manufactured crisis which randomly ratchets up child detention to further a white supremacist agenda. Shit is foul no matter how many paragraphs you type b.
you want injustice meted out equally. So again, your moral vision is limited to the confines created by white supremacists.: NAH WISH JUSTICE WAS METED OUT EQUALLY...stripping all the words down..
What seperates us is that I won't be ok with a manufactured crisis which randomly ratchets up child detention to further a white supremacist agenda. Shit is foul no matter how many paragraphs you type NAH ITS FUCKED UP, NOT FOUL-stripping down all the words -Create a system in which when a mother is held, the child is appropriately cared for equally in the CRIMINAL SYSTEM OR DHS or IMMIGRATION -thats my ultimate point...DONT CREATE A SEPARATE SYSTEM..FIX THE WEAK SYSTEM
There's nothing analogous to some family risking everything to get to a better future and whatever misdemeanor you've imagined here ANOTHER TOUCHY,DELICATE,EMOTIONAL SITUATION AGAIN I DO HAVE SYMPATHY TOWARDS THE PLIGHTS OF IMPOVERISHED OR PERSECUTED INDIVIDUALS? YES!-THAT BEING SAID I DO NOT BELIEVE INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CIRCUMVENT THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. FOR WHAT EVER VARIETY OF UNKNOWN REASONS THESE FOREIGN NATIONALS APPLICATION FOR IMMIGRATION WAS OMITTED YET AN ATTEMPTED IMMIGRATION WAS MADE.I DONT WANT TO GENERALIZE REASONS. NOR NATIONALITIES.
Ultimately I can't get on your vibration fam AND IM COOL WITH THAT.. FOLKS DONT HAVE TO BE DRONES WALKING IN THE SAME MINDSET... CAN DISAGREE...IMOP THE PROBLEM LIES WHEN FOLKS CANT DISCUSS THERE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS...
whatever misdemeanor you've imagined here: THE COMPARISON EXISTS ONLY TO HIGHLIGHT DISCUSS THE DIFFERENCES OF HOW TO TREAT DEPENDENTS WHEN PARENT IS BEING DETAINED AND NO OTHER CUSTODIAL INDIVIDUALS ARE AVAILABLE-REGARDLESS OF WHETHER ITS CRIMINAL COURT OR THAT OF ICE,DHS.
Why should joint family detention be granted in one scenario and not the other, Are children not involved in Both? And which scenario has a greater effect on the community? And which should we give a greater amount of energy towards? KEEPING IN MIND NO KIDS SHOULD BE IN A CAGE- THE PROCESS IM REFERENCING , THE DELIVERY NEEDS A TON OF IMPROVEMENT.
If the alien is detained entering the US, the removal proceeding is almost always entirely with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The DHS has "exclusive jurisdiction" over arriving aliens, and the Immigration Court does not interfere with the decisions of the DHS.
An arriving alien does not have a right to bond - to be released while in proceedings. In some cases, the DHS may offer "parole" or permission to enter the US for a short time while the DHS makes its own decisions on removal.
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You niggaz stupid. These immigrants when they come here they don’t come to join hands with you to fight white supremacy. They have no problems with whites. They all seem to have a problem with you. They open businesses in your neighborhood and take take take! You only good to them for making money, sending their kids to school and that’s it.
no one in this thread has argued that this isn't true.... the issue you seem unable to grasp logically or morally is that When the parents are no longer in government custody it is not legal to keep custody of alien minors
And because there is no DHS or criminal process for minors under the age of 12...
the precedent was to deport the family unit
by breaking that precedent - you now have +2k children being detained for weeks on going after their parents have been deported back to their countries
any policy that leads to that result is morally bereft and will eventually to be ruled unconstitutional by a federal court
bullshit...
You ineptly tried to find parallels in the criminal process - there is none
The parents are no longer in federal custody nor on US soil, in many cases for weeks now - As we are finding out now from reporting: DHS did not put any methods in place to track the children nor means of reuniting the families.
It is evil that these crackers enacted a policy they knew would be destructive
It is unconscionable that you are in this thread carrying their water
hiding behind smoke screen of "we can disagree",
superficially pantomiming black sjw hot topics as alternative places to focus our attention...
meanwhile you are repackaging alt right talking points and advocating on behalf of white supremacy pov
JUAN YOUR FULL OF SHIT...
CLICK THE VERY FIRST POST OF THE THREAD...TOPIC IS SEPARATION-NOT REUNIFICATION..
YOU HAVE POSITION HAS MOVED FROM ALIENS CAN BE RELEASED ON A DESK APPEARANCE TICKETS OR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SANCTUARY CITIES BOTH OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE IRRELEVANT IN THE CONVERSATION REGARDING DHS .If the alien is detained entering the US, the removal proceeding is almost always entirely with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The DHS has "exclusive jurisdiction" over arriving aliens, and the Immigration Court does not interfere with the decisions of the DHS.
An arriving alien does not have a right to bond - to be released while in proceedings. In some cases, the DHS may offer "parole" or permission to enter the US for a short time while the DHS makes its own decisions on removal.
NOW ONCE AGAIN LIKE THE BITCH QUALITIES YOU CONTINUE TO PORTRAY- YOU YET AGAIN WANT TO SHIFT THE TOPIC...
NOW YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE REUNIFICATION PROCESS-HERES MY DIRECT RESPONSE....IMPROVE THE SYSTEM, NOT REINVENT....IMPROVE THE HOLDING CONDITIONS AND REUNIFICATION PROCESS.
A REUNIFICATION PROCESS EXISTS FOR KIDS IN FOSTER CARE ALSO, ITS NOT LIKE YOU WALK OUT OF JAIL AND POOF YOU GET YOUR CHILD BACK...
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/reunification.pdf#page=9&view=What will happen as reunification gets closer?
THAT BEING SAID IM PRETTY SURE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT STEPS ARE TAKEN IN THE REUNIFICATION PROCESS OF MINOR AND ADULT WHO WERE APPREHENDED AND DEPORTED , WHAT CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE DONE,VERIFICATION,TESTING,LOGISTICS INVOLVED ETC....NOW EVEN SAYING ALL THAT...ITS A SAD SITUATION, AN EMOTIONAL ONE, HEARTFELT AND ALL.... NONE THE LESS ITS THE SYSTEM- (CRIME,APPREHENSION,ARRAIGNMENT,BOND,TRIAL,DISPOSITION)
CRIMINAL NO BOND VS DHS NO BOND VS IMMIGRATION NO BOND=ALL EQUAL YOUR ASS AINT GOING NO WHERE...TILL THE MINIMUM YOUR NEXT APPEARANCE
BOTH=YOU WILL NEED SOMEONE TO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR DEPENDENT... BOTH WILL REQUIRE REUNIFICATION.
SO IN STAYING WITH THE ONE AND ONLY TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IN THIS THREAD- THE REMOVAL OF CHILDREN FROM PARENT WHILE PARENT IS UNDER DETENTION.AND HOW TO HANDLE THE PROCESSING OF SAID CHILDREN (IE HOUSING) MY VIEWS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED...
JUAN I GET YOUR POINT- YOU JUST DONT WANT ILLEGAL ALIENS ARRESTED and DETAINED(PERIOD)..THATS OK..THATS YOUR VIEW...
BUT PLEASE Stop squawking and maybe start reading and comprehending ...
AND PLEASE SON GO THAT AWAY-HOP OF IT ALREADY...
ON YOUR TONGUE,MEANS ON YOUR MIND-PERHAPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR YOU LOVE MENTIONING WHITES AND ALT RIGHT....HMMMM
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Lmaaooo yo you are on my nuts heavy lately son
I've posted my pics here multiple times ho. Goddamn... I know I'm handsome but even women don't sweat me this hard for pics. Chill out on the fag shit lmao
We're kind of going in circles here. The law hasn't changed but we're now building tent cities to accommodate small children at rates higher than anything we've seen before at the border. Why is that do you think? It's due to a shift in policy which was architected by Stephen Miller (who is essentially a neo-nazi). Like it ir not that's the agenda you're cosigning.
You know, I've been going back and watching a ton of James Baldwin and Malcolm X interviews lately. One thing I'm always amazed by is how consistent the arguments that CACs presented for the status quo is to todays purveyors and supporters of injustice (whether we're talking about systemic/instituitional racism in the justice system, economic disparities etc etc).
You could literally transport a CAC from from 1959 and the arguments for supporting whatever bullshit status quo today would be fucking identical. Its amazing and it's a testament to the consistency of weaponized ignorance.
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Lmaaooo yo you are on my nuts heavy lately son
I've posted my pics here multiple times and smarter niggas than you have tried and failed at ocking me. Foh you midget fuck lmao
We're kind of going in circles here. The law hasn't changed but we're now building tent cities to accommodate small children at rates higher than anything we've seen before at the border. Why is that do you think? It's due to a shift in policy which was architected by Stephen Miller (who is essentially a neo-nazi). Like it ir not that's the agenda you're cosigning.
You know, I've been going back and watching a ton of James Baldwin and Malcolm X interviews lately. One thing I'm always amazed by is how consistent the arguments that CACs presented for the status quo is to todays purveyors and supporters of injustice (whether we're talking about systemic/instituitional racism in the justice system, economic disparities etc etc).
You could literally transport a CAC from from 1959 and the arguments for supporting whatever bullshit status quo today would be fucking identical. Its amazing and it's a testament to the consistency of weaponized ignorance.
We are all PEOPLE. (regardless of immigrant status)
My view People should be prosecuted the same...The system should be the same..
You referenced tent cities being built to house this problem..
In the same breath prisons have been built for other problems at a higher rate than ever before.
https://sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trends-in-US-Corrections.pdf
Is entering the country ILLEGALLY in your view a crime?
And if so, then why differentiate the treatment of Individuals who are under custody for a crime irregardless of severity (locked up- pending trial ,or sentenced)
THATS MY POINT...AND VIEW
If I’m a citizen of any color and break the law and don’t have a suitable guardian for my dependent while in custody, the govt/state will step in until which time i am no longer under custudy and I can begin the re unification process..
If I’m not a citizen of any color the process should be the same.(non border apprehension)
If I’m an illegal alien apprehended at the border the process should be the same
NO optics no emotions....Just policy
improve the processes ..
Side thought -the policy was never to benefit the individual effected, the policy was based upon the benefit of the individual implementing..(i.e. govt -costs and resources)...you had folks before who might have tip toed around the room now you got someone who runs thru like juggernaut ...
It’s been real...
Views expressed on both behalf’s ..
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I actually agree with what the first two people said. They are coming here illegally, breaking the rules, hence they shouldnt be able to use the taxes that we have to pay to "fix their situation". The problem is, I think their compassion is via them thinking this country is "theirs"; and that no one belongs unless they look like them.
No Tolerance is extreme, and is meant to be a a scare tactic, but I doubt if it works. Because I honestly think some of these families would risk losing their kids for the sake of escaping to America.
I live in a city (Chicago) that is somewhat of a Sanctuary city for illegal Mexicans & Europeans. And imho, it shouldnt be. If you cant come into this country the proper way, then you need to leave. Simple as that!
No other country would tolerate this type of bs. Lets keep it 100!
Btw....whereas we have illegal Europeans here as well, this is more so about illegal Mexicans. That imho, make up the majority of the illegals. So please dont come in this thread making it seem like Black folks need to be worried or need to get involved. We been experiencing harsh time for petty crimes. Our children been getting mistreated. Mexicans & Europeans been keeping their distance. And every form of immigration has affected Black folks in the worst ways. It aint about being bitter or getting payback, its about playing the game & surviving.
In other words, Black folks, keep your distance and wish them the best.
No Tolerance is extreme, and is meant to be a a scare tactic, but I doubt if it works. Because I honestly think some of these families would risk losing their kids for the sake of escaping to America.
I live in a city (Chicago) that is somewhat of a Sanctuary city for illegal Mexicans & Europeans. And imho, it shouldnt be. If you cant come into this country the proper way, then you need to leave. Simple as that!
No other country would tolerate this type of bs. Lets keep it 100!
Btw....whereas we have illegal Europeans here as well, this is more so about illegal Mexicans. That imho, make up the majority of the illegals. So please dont come in this thread making it seem like Black folks need to be worried or need to get involved. We been experiencing harsh time for petty crimes. Our children been getting mistreated. Mexicans & Europeans been keeping their distance. And every form of immigration has affected Black folks in the worst ways. It aint about being bitter or getting payback, its about playing the game & surviving.
In other words, Black folks, keep your distance and wish them the best.
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Interesting article
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/upshot/americans-love-families-american-policies-dont.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
YOUR ONLY ADDING AIR TO THE FIRE....
AND INADVERTENTLY SUPPORTING IT...
ENERGY WINS-WHETHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE AND RIGHT NOW
THE CURRENT ADMIN IS GETTING ALL THE ENERGY
AND GONNA RUN IT RIGHT INTO ANOTHER TERM
IF FOLKS DONT GET OUT THEIR FEELINGS
ask yourself then-who is really supporting the other agenda..
message to all the smart ones-opinion from the ignorant
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/upshot/americans-love-families-american-policies-dont.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
- “By focusing only on family structures that are beneficial, it’s easy to gloss over structural barriers that make it hard,” said Michelle Janning, a sociologist at Whitman College and a senior scholar at the Council on Contemporary Families. “Instead of saying, ‘Support all families,’ it’s saying, ‘Support certain families,’ and ignores the inequalities that exist.”
- What, then, would American policy look like if policies for families more closely resembled the political language celebrating them?
The child welfare system would value fathers, too, researchers say. Prison phone calls that keep families connected wouldn’t be prohibitively expensive. Government benefits wouldn’t penalize parents for marrying. The child welfare system wouldn’t mistake consequences of poverty for child neglect. Paid leave and public preschool would help parents stay in the labor force. And policies would support the family bonds that children need, no matter the type of family.
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Emily Badger
Emily Badger writes about cities and urban policy for The Upshot from the San Francisco bureau. She's particularly interested in housing, transportation and inequality — and how they're all connected. She joined the Times in 2016 from The Washington Post
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Claire Cain Miller
Claire Cain Miller is a correspondent for The Times, where she writes about gender, families and the future of work for The Upshot, a Times site for analysis of policy and economics. She was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for public service for reporting on workplace sexual harassment issues.
YOUR ONLY ADDING AIR TO THE FIRE....
AND INADVERTENTLY SUPPORTING IT...
ENERGY WINS-WHETHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE AND RIGHT NOW
THE CURRENT ADMIN IS GETTING ALL THE ENERGY
AND GONNA RUN IT RIGHT INTO ANOTHER TERM
IF FOLKS DONT GET OUT THEIR FEELINGS
ask yourself then-who is really supporting the other agenda..
message to all the smart ones-opinion from the ignorant