TV News: Ben Affleck Slams Bill Maher for "Racist," "Ugly" Views in Heated Islam Debate

[Upgrade Dave]

Stop with the strawman shit. The fact is Christians do NOT do that shit.

Lies and damn lies.

In this so called "Christian" nation, which it is not, we kill each other for money, sex, and all kinds of reasons. That does point to a failing in Christianity or a failing of Man? Is there a Muslim nation with a higher murder rate than the US, a supposedly Christian nation (I've already said we're not but I know some of you think we are)? So that must be Christianity's fault by your definition.
Go ask Dr George Tiller what Christians do in the name of their God.
People can be evil and they blame their evil on convenient scapegoats. If Islam is so wicked, why don't they behead and stone women in Turkey but they do in Saudi Arabia?

I don't make strawman arguments. I make sound, logical arguments that are hard to refute so they get dodged.
The fact that you haven't spoken on the Aslan vid is remarkable. Do you want to learn something or not?

 

[kinglickk]

Re: Ben Affleck goes at Bill Maher for "racist" and "ugly" views on Islamic principle

Ben who?

 

[Dr. Truth]

Lies and damn lies.

In this so called "Christian" nation, which it is not, we kill each other for money, sex, and all kinds of reasons. That does point to a failing in Christianity or a failing of Man? Is there a Muslim nation with a higher murder rate than the US, a supposedly Christian nation (I've already said we're not but I know some of you think we are)? So that must be Christianity's fault by your definition.
Go ask Dr George Tiller what Christians do in the name of their God.
People can be evil and they blame their evil on convenient scapegoats. If Islam is so wicked, why don't they behead and stone women in Turkey but they do in Saudi Arabia?

I don't make strawman arguments. I make sound, logical arguments that are hard to refute so they get dodged.
The fact that you haven't spoken on the Aslan vid is remarkable. Do you want to learn something or not?

You're making no sense. Your argument is weak. We go to prison if we kill. They do not. They kill family members in town squares then praise Allah after and go pray. Stop acting like we are the same as those savages. How many Christian suicide bombings do we have here? Foh.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You're making no sense. Your argument is weak. We go to prison if we kill. They do not. They kill family members in town squares then praise Allah after and go pray. Stop acting like we are the same as those savages. How many Christian suicide bombings do we have here? Foh.

That's a lie.

It's not an entire lie but a half truth is a whole lie.

"We" go to prison if "we" can't afford a good attorney. Is George Zimmerman in prison?
The fallacy of your argument is thinking that all Muslim nations are the same and they are not.
We don't have many suicide bombers because our homegrown terrorist set bombs and run (Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph).
In those Muslim nations with a high number of suicide bombers, the people they act are other Muslims so who is more indicative of the religion--the psycho bomber or the hundreds or thousands he hurts? Why do people like you focus on the smaller number than the greater when it comes to Islam but do the opposite with Christians and other religions?
Be consistent. If it's "fuck all religions" then let it be that and then use the same standard for all religions. Otherwise, you're just a bigot and looking for any excuse to justify that ignorance without doing a single bit of research to even back up your reasoning.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Christians are idiots but at least they have evolved.

 

[mangobob79]

Fuck religions Fuck white supremacist, Fuck Islam extremists ,Fuck moderate Muslims who aren't on the front lines fighting their brethren to stop the spillover to innocent civilians, if they're so radical why don't they fight govt officials and not everyday civilians.
I know a lot of this shit is propaganda against islam for the benefit of western white supremacists but I need moderates to ramp up their offense to tell their brethren "if ure mad at the west then kill govt officials not everyday civilians, Same goes Jewish terrorists atleast modern day christian terrorists try to contain their targets

 

[phanatic]

You're making no sense. Your argument is weak. We go to prison if we kill. They do not. They kill family members in town squares then praise Allah after and go pray. Stop acting like we are the same as those savages. How many Christian suicide bombings do we have here? Foh.

This is one of those instances where you pick out something that supports your views. Let's not forget this great country that was willing to sacrifice lives of citizens in fabricated wars...a country that has created a "punishment" system that someone profits from, thus creating an incentive to send citizens to prison...a country that supports a war on drugs with taxpayer money for decades, yet I can make a few phone calls and find any drug I want...

Don't take the "America is great" pill. This isn't the greatest country on earth when the government and laws are set up to fuck over the citizens.

 

[Dr. Truth]

I hate all religions but yall defending Islam only doing it because they are filthy arabs. If all muslims were cacs you'd be going crazy. You associate Christianity with the cracka and since we have a black tie to Islam through Malcom X. You niggas give these faggots a pass.

 

[Moore]

It is the intolerance of those Muslims that caused those people to rise up. The Muslims launched the attacks and Christians responded, you expect every Christian to sit back and be killed by your brothers?

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Stop with the strawman shit. The fact is Christians do NOT do that shit.

None of these Christians went to jail for burning suspected 'witches' to death.

You're making no sense. Your argument is weak. We go to prison if we kill. They do not. They kill family members in town squares then praise Allah after and go pray. Stop acting like we are the same as those savages. How many Christian suicide bombings do we have here? Foh.

 

[Dr. Truth]

Yall arguments are beyond weak. For every radical Christian there are a million Muslims. Timothy McVeigh? ?? How many Muslim versions of that cac trash have there been since him?? You can't even count that hight. Yall also posting retaliation of Christians to Muslims who have killed their people. Fuck Islam too.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

It is the intolerance of those Muslims that caused those people to rise up. The Muslims launched the attacks and Christians responded, you expect every Christian to sit back and be killed by your brothers?

Bullshit. You don't fuckin' drag an innocent Muslim traveler off a bus, beat him down, burn him up alive and eat his leg out of self-defense, dude. The cat in the last video laid it out flat: the conflict was political, not religious. There are warlords and politicians who have used everything from tribalism to sectarianism, and now religion as the pretext for violence, but it's actually all about POWER and MONEY for them, not religious motives for the people. Don't fall for the sleight of trick of blaming religion for good old fashion greed and moral malignancy.

 

[sumofyallniggasisbitches2]

Yeah............No. I'm going to have to ride with Bill on this one. I think people are trying to make it seem as if Bill is trying to say that all Muslims are bad and all Muslims are barbaric terrorists etc....and I don't think that is what he's saying at all. He is simply stating that there is a common thread with many of these practices and the common thread is the religion. He is also saying that there is a false equivalency in trying to compare the treatment and subjugation of many of its followers of Islam vs Christianity. He is not trying to say that one is better or worse but he is saying that with regard to these issues there is a glaring difference. An example of what I mean is someone mentioned in a previous comment the outcry about the Black Jesus program and tried to essentially say that was equivalent to what happens in Islamic countries when you caricature the prophet. This is simply not true. Yeah Christians were up in arms and upset about Black Jesus, but the worst they were calling for was a boycott of the network. There was no concerted effort calling for the death of the creators of the show. To say that they are the same in that respect is just untrue. Now I know Christianity has got an enormous amount of blood on its hands too; but that doesn't mean when Bill is calling out segments of the Muslim religion for its tolerance and in some cases promotion of these horrific practices, that he is somehow denigrating the religion itself or everyone that practices it. If anything, this just furthers his argument about all religions and how they are all harmful because they have given rise to twisted interpretations and cultish reverence, which end up leading to almost every manifested horror witnessed since the dawn of man.

 

[Moore]

If Christians were being radicalized I would be putting them on blast as well. The Arabs are taking the religion backwards and when people point this out we are the supposedly bad ones and some how are being equated with them.

The Arab is using his money to foment many of the problems in CAF, Ivory Coast, Ethiopia and many more African countries.

 

[Winslow Wong]

while BGOL is screaming about Muslims and Christians and going back and forth - this guy and his ilk are coming out of this battle unscathed but just killed 5000 civilans and the Media here says nothing -

its so funny - half of BGOL opinions are being driven by this guy and his ilk and they would fight in the street if someone said it to their face

Bill Mahr's sudden anti Islamic rants are not by accident

 

[Dr. Truth]

Bullshit. You don't fuckin' drag an innocent Muslim traveler off a bus, beat him down, burn him up alive and eat his leg out of self-defense, dude. The cat in the last video laid it out flat: the conflict was political, not religious. There are warlords and politicians who have used everything from tribalism to sectarianism, and now religion as the pretext for violence, but it's actually all about POWER and MONEY for them, not religious motives for the people. Don't fall for the sleight of trick of blaming religion for good old fashion greed and moral malignancy.

Stop playing dumb. Did Reginald Denny beat Rodney king? No but he represents the cacs who did and the oppression felt by racist cacs. Just like this Muslim represented the genocide they've been committing.

 

[Moore]

Bullshit. You don't fuckin' drag an innocent Muslim traveler off a bus, beat him down, burn him up alive and eat his leg out of self-defense, dude. The cat in the last video laid it out flat: the conflict was political, not religious. There are warlords and politicians who have used everything from tribalism to sectarianism, and now religion as the pretext for violence, but it's actually all about POWER and MONEY for them, not religious motives for the people. Don't fall for the sleight of trick of blaming religion for good old fashion greed and moral malignancy.

Where the fuck were you when Muslim Seleka rebels overthrew the Christian government?

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Yall arguments are beyond weak. For every radical Christian there are a million Muslims. Timothy McVeigh? ?? How many Muslim versions of that cac trash have there been since him?? You can't even count that hight. Yall also posting retaliation of Christians to Muslims who have killed their people. Fuck Islam too.

Is it "retaliation" when Christian African countries are burning people to death for heresy, stoning gays to death and eating Muslim pedestrians? Fuck outta here. You talk about individual Muslims with bomb vests on who kill a few people per attack, but dismiss White trash Christian terrorists who kill hundreds and thousands at a time per attack. Hell, Anders Behring Breivik was a Christian mass shooter since McVeigh and he had 309 bomb victims, 77 killed by gunshot. And then you give the head CAC in charge (Bush) a pass for religious terrorism when he kills MILLIONS of Muslims while shouting "God Bless America." The facts don't line up with your opinion, b.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

while BGOL is screaming about Muslims and Christians and going back and forth - this guy and his ilk are coming out of this battle unscathed but just killed 5000 civilans and the Media here says nothing -

its so funny - half of BGOL opinions are being driven by this guy and his ilk and they would fight in the street if someone said it to their face

Bill Mahr's sudden anti Islamic rants are not by accident

Is it "retaliation" when Christian African countries are burning people to death for heresy, stoning gays to death and eating Muslim pedestrians? Fuck outta here. You talk about individual Muslims with bomb vests on who kill a few people per attack, but dismiss White trash Christian terrorists who kill hundreds and thousands at a time per attack. Hell, Anders Behring Breivik was a Christian mass shooter since McVeigh and he had 309 bomb victims, 77 killed by gunshot. And then you give the head CAC in charge (Bush) a pass for religious terrorism when he kills MILLIONS of Muslims while shouting "God Bless America." The facts don't line up with your opinion, b.

Exactly. When it's Christians in Christian dominated nations, it's the fault of the individual, no matter how many support him (and McVeigh, Rudolph, and Roeder have many, many supporters) but when its Islam, it's the fault of the entire religion.
It's one way or the other. Any other argument is a lie.

 

[Dr. Truth]

Is it "retaliation" when Christian African countries are burning people to death for heresy, stoning gays to death and eating Muslim pedestrians? Fuck outta here. You talk about individual Muslims with bomb vests on who kill a few people per attack, but dismiss White trash Christian terrorists who kill hundreds and thousands at a time per attack. Hell, Anders Behring Breivik was a Christian mass shooter since McVeigh and he had 309 bomb victims, 77 killed by gunshot. And then you give the head CAC in charge (Bush) a pass for religious terrorism when he kills MILLIONS of Muslims while shouting "God Bless America." The facts don't line up with your opinion, b.

Why are you so protective over islam?

 

[gene cisco]

How was Bill wrong? He shits on Christians just as much if not more. You saying Muslims don't treat their women like shit??? Do they not go crazy if you draw Mohammed? Explain what they said were wrong?? Why do you all support Muslims so much??? They are slaughtering thousands of black Africans as we speak. Fuck them faggots.

Cats have gone batshit. I still remember when Southpark couldn't show Muhammad, yet they can clown Jesus without fear.

Let's look at the batshit countries that practice one of the worst ways to die: Stoning.

http://www.trust.org/item/20130927165059-w9g0i/

It seems to happen where Muslims are. And you can get stoned for fucking adultery. This is not a version of a 'normal' death penalty.

And how many Muslims support the batshit concept of Sharia law(which stoning for adultery falls into)? The percentages are higher than fucking 20 percent according to many polls, which speaks too many batshit Muslims(some areas have well over 70 percent of Muslims wanting Sharia law ).

Cats talking points are female leaders. Like majority Christian countries haven't been there and done that. Yet can we find one majority-Christian country where women are treated as bad as in some majority-Muslim countries?

Short answer = no.

I guess since someone white said something about Muslims, cats feel they need to take the opposite position no matter how dumb it is.

How is Bill Maher wrong? The same Muslims who may be against terrorism can be for Sharia law and be considered 'peaceful' and not violent, but we know how crazy Sharia law is.

Bill goes at all religions, but currently no other religion has the amount of batshit people that Islam has and he called it out. So what?

 

[Dr. Truth]

Cats have gone batshit. I still remember when Southpark couldn't show Muhammad, yet they can clown Jesus without fear.

Let's look at the batshit countries that practice one of the worst ways to die: Stoning.

http://www.trust.org/item/20130927165059-w9g0i/

It seems to happen where Muslims are. And you can get stoned for fucking adultery. This is not a version of a 'normal' death penalty.

And how many Muslims support the batshit concept of Sharia law(which stoning for adultery falls into)? The percentages are higher than fucking 20 percent according to many polls, which speaks too many batshit Muslims(some areas have well over 70 percent of Muslims wanting Sharia law ).

Cats talking points are female leaders. Like majority Christian countries haven't been there and done that. Yet can we find one majority-Christian country where women are treated as bad as in some majority-Muslim countries?

Short answer = no.

I guess since someone white said something about Muslims, cats feel they need to take the opposite position no matter how dumb it is.

How is Bill Maher wrong? The same Muslims who may be against terrorism can be for Sharia law and be considered 'peaceful' and not violent, but we know how crazy Sharia law is.

Bill goes at all religions, but currently no other religion has the amount of batshit people that Islam has and he called it out. So what?

But.... But.... But.... Timothy McVeigh! !!!

Notice these clowns say nothing about the Chechnya Radical suicide bombers. They don't know there are millions of blue eyed Blond cac Muslims who hate their black asses.

 

[geechiedan]

But.... But.... But.... Timothy McVeigh! !!!

Notice these clowns say nothing about the Chechnya Radical suicide bombers. They don't know there are millions of blue eyed Blond cac Muslims who hate their black asses.

maybe because their in chechnya?? maybe because its ethnic clashing and usually in shit like that both sides are dirty? maybe because those chechnyan radicals aren't calling for jihad on black americans in the US??

that ever cross your mind??

 

[geechiedan]

Cats have gone batshit. I still remember when Southpark couldn't show Muhammad, yet they can clown Jesus without fear.

Let's look at the batshit countries that practice one of the worst ways to die: Stoning.

http://www.trust.org/item/20130927165059-w9g0i/

It seems to happen where Muslims are. And you can get stoned for fucking adultery. This is not a version of a 'normal' death penalty.

And how many Muslims support the batshit concept of Sharia law(which stoning for adultery falls into)? The percentages are higher than fucking 20 percent according to many polls, which speaks too many batshit Muslims(some areas have well over 70 percent of Muslims wanting Sharia law ).

Cats talking points are female leaders. Like majority Christian countries haven't been there and done that. Yet can we find one majority-Christian country where women are treated as bad as in some majority-Muslim countries?

Short answer = no.

I guess since someone white said something about Muslims, cats feel they need to take the opposite position no matter how dumb it is.

How is Bill Maher wrong? The same Muslims who may be against terrorism can be for Sharia law and be considered 'peaceful' and not violent, but we know how crazy Sharia law is.

Bill goes at all religions, but currently no other religion has the amount of batshit people that Islam has and he called it out. So what?

haven't heard him say shit about jews and israel have you???

 

[Upgrade Dave]

But.... But.... But.... Timothy McVeigh! !!!

Notice these clowns say nothing about the Chechnya Radical suicide bombers. They don't know there are millions of blue eyed Blond cac Muslims who hate their black asses.

What about them? They were fighting for their independence from Russia. How are they different from any other revolutionaries?
Do they behead women in Chechnya?
It's Muslim, right?

The fact that you and gene want to engage in this talking about "Christian" nations like that's a real thing shows that you don't really want to go any deeper than the superficial or else you might see that you're wrong.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

haven't heard him say shit about jews and israel have you???

Only in support of their policies.
But he goes after the people they already have a prejudiced view of, so he's okay.

 

[gene cisco]

haven't heard him say shit about jews and israel have you???

What if he never did call Israel out? Does that make him wrong about what goes on in a good number of Muslim areas and Sharia law? No.

Would you go live in one of those areas and deal with those crazy Islam-inspired laws? Cats talking that good shit while they are a safe distance from some of the areas Bill is talking about. Classic.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Exactly. When it's Christians in Christian dominated nations, it's the fault of the individual, no matter how many support him (and McVeigh, Rudolph, and Roeder have many, many supporters) but when its Islam, it's the fault of the entire religion.
It's one way or the other. Any other argument is a lie.

Exactly. Christian terrorists = "lone wolf." Muslim terrorist = Islam.

Why are you so protective over islam?

What I'm saying is not protective of Islam. It's debunking the idea that somehow Christianity is more evolved or morally absolved from then barbarism Islam is branded for. Bill Maher and his cohort are activist Atheists who have no love lost for either religion. Ben was en pointe by pointing out the racist/bigoted overtones of them propping up Christianity above Islam, especially for the bogus reasons they gave. It would have been one thing had they said fuck ALL religions. That would make more sense coming from them, but the shit they're saying is straight up mighty white propaganda.

 

[Winslow Wong]

No one wants to talk about the Jews - especially Orthodox Jews who practice many of the same religious practices as the Muslims but they are white - and jewish and they dont exist as far as the Bill Mahr's of the world are concerned

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/26/ultra-orthodox-jews-delay-el-al-flight-refusing-to-sit-near-women/?tid=hp_mm[/URL]

Or speaking of Stoning - which is a much a part of jewish law as it is a part of sharia

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/06/immodestly-dressed-woman-stoned-in-beit-shemesh-456.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.538978

According to Bill Mahr only Muslims do this - riot over Religious figures

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ultra-orthodox-riot-over-grave-desecration/


and let me know limit this to Jews - i can go on and on about "peace-loving " Hindis including the current Prime Minster of India Modi who was responsible for a mass murder of Muslims.

The issues is that Muslims are the preferred enemy of the moment - as Ben Affleck said - ISIS consist of 25,000 fighter which couldn't fill up a minor league park but they deserve the attention of the entire world. This is all about Media Manipulation -

 

[geechiedan]

What if he never did call Israel out? Does that make him wrong about what goes on in a good number of Muslim areas and Sharia law? No.

Would you go live in one of those areas and deal with those crazy Islam-inspired laws? Cats talking that good shit while they are a safe distance from some of the areas Bill is talking about. Classic.

Bill goes at all religions, but currently no other religion has the amount of batshit people that Islam has and he called it out. So what?

1.if he doesn't call out jews and israel then that statement isn't true now is it?

2. Muslim areas and sharia law is their custom the ONLY reason maher is speaking out is because they took issue with non muslims for insults to their religion..otherwise he and you really don't give a shit what happens in those muslim areas so his speaking out is slightly disingenuous.

3. reza aslan stated there are buddhists committing atrocities in myanmar..no one gives a shit nor is willing to paint all buddhists as horrible people. there are africans in the congo areas that are doing horrible shit to the villages there yet no one is connecting christianity to it prominently..look up the LRA -The Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda. How many christians were speaking out against the astrocities they committed??

 

[gene cisco]

1.if he doesn't call out jews and israel then that statement isn't true now is it?

2. Muslim areas and sharia law is their custom the ONLY reason maher is speaking out is because they took issue with non muslims for insults to their religion..otherwise he and you really don't give a shit what happens in those muslim areas so his speaking out is slightly disingenuous.

3. reza aslan stated there are buddhists committing atrocities in myanmar..no one gives a shit nor is willing to paint all buddhists as horrible people. there are africans in the congo areas that are doing horrible shit to the villages there yet no one is connecting christianity to it prominently..look up the LRA -The Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda. How many christians were speaking out against the astrocities they committed??

My statement is true. All I was saying is if he never said anything about Judaism, it doesn't mean what he is saying about some Muslims isn't true(he's clowned Judaism many times).

And you don't have to give a shit what people are doing to themselves to speak on it. I give a fuck if they stone themselves out of existence, but the simple fact is it's mostly Muslims doing that dumb shit in the 21st century.

Keep trying. You still won't find as many folks in other religions doing as many batshit things in the name of their religion as you will in Islam. When you talk of the atrocities committed by Christians and Buddhists in the name of their religions in modern times, they don't compare to those committed in the name of Islam.

And to be clear, my stance is fuck Israel. Fuck droning innocent civilians. I have said that numerous times over years and years. So is it ok if I say Islam does indeed have more people than any other religion practicing barbaric customs?

Also, cats talking about the 30,000 to 50,000 militants in Isis. "but they can only fill up a stadium." But not all people are going to be active. For everyone who is active, how many are supporting behind the scenes? It's like people supporting U.S. military action but they never have been nor will they be in the military.

 

[geechiedan]

My statement is true. All I was saying is if he never said anything about Judaism, it doesn't mean what he is saying about some Muslims isn't true(he's clowned Judaism many times).

And you don't have to give a shit what people are doing to themselves to speak on it. I give a fuck if they stone themselves out of existence, but the simple fact is it's mostly Muslims doing that dumb shit in the 21st century.

Keep trying. You still won't find as many folks in other religions doing as many batshit things in the name of their religion as you will in Islam. When you talk of the atrocities committed by Christians and Buddhists in the name of their religions in modern times, they don't compare to those committed in the name of Islam.

And to be clear, my stance is fuck Israel. Fuck droning innocent civilians. I have said that numerous times over years and years. So is it ok if I say Islam does indeed have more people than any other religion practicing barbaric customs?

Also, cats talking about the 30,000 to 50,000 militants in Isis. "but they can only fill up a stadium." But not all people are going to be active. For everyone who is active, how many are supporting behind the scenes? It's like people supporting U.S. military action but they never have been nor will they be in the military.

and yet when people outside of america call us on our bullshit and atrociities committed by us in their countries theyre treated like pariah and nutters right?? understand something 911 didn't happened because 19 muslims were looking for kicks on a monday morning..

 

[MistaPhantastic]

Question....why are vast majority of peaceful muslims,so silent about the radical ones?

Affleck touched on that by saying that the Muslims radically opposed to ISIS don't get press.

And for Michael Steele to be the more inquisitive, reasonable Dude in that panel says a lot.

Scary, ain't it?

... and as black people we shouldn't jump on the bandwagon with white people and be anti-islam. It's the same shit they did, and still do to us...instill fear in every non-black and make it seem we are all shooting at cookouts and selling crack.

/THREAD

 

[gene cisco]

and yet when people outside of america call us on our bullshit and atrociities committed by us in their countries theyre treated like pariah and nutters right?? understand something 911 didn't happened because 19 muslims were looking for kicks on a monday morning..

The U.S. earned 9/11. Israel is on dumb shit. Muslims have too many people doing fucked up shit in the name of their religion.

I actually call out all three. And if I had a platform and did so publicly, I would be attacked from all sides(Anti-U.S., Anti-Semetic, and Anti-Islam).

Don't think just because I agree with Bill about some Muslims that I excuse all the fuckery being done by the west and Israel.

 

[Uncle John]

while BGOL is screaming about Muslims and Christians and going back and forth - this guy and his ilk are coming out of this battle unscathed but just killed 5000 civilans and the Media here says nothing -

its so funny - half of BGOL opinions are being driven by this guy and his ilk and they would fight in the street if someone said it to their face

Bill Mahr's sudden anti Islamic rants are not by accident

this