Very very very good point
TV News: Mindy Kaling animated HBO Velma series Will Reimagine Character As Being Of East Asian Descent (Won't Include Scooby-Doo Or Mystery Machine)
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Very very very good point
I still have not seen this for myself so I can't really comment
But could this ALL be the fault of Harley Quinn huge success?
They thought just added curses and nudity would make it hip and popular?
But could this ALL be the fault of Harley Quinn huge success?
They thought just added curses and nudity would make it hip and popular?
Agreed.
My pops often jokes with certain shows that he couldn't care less what happens to ANYONE in the cast. He then loses interest quickly or criticizes the choices they're making ... whether minute, or Life & Death.
On the flip side ... IF he gets really pissed off watching a show and a certain character or two is upsetting him. Like a complete piece of shit (on purpose) antagonist ... I remind him that's effective casting and acting, lol. That person has generated the EXACT response the showrunners were after, and it's elicited that response or feedback from you. Which is true ... or when you see a show or movie that has a GREAT VILLAIN. We can all appreciate an excellent bad guy who is a scene stealer.
Lastly, I think what works so well for a series like The White Lotus (HBO) is that even though each season's cast isn't particularly likeable (deliberately) ... the stories are crafted well and there's enough suspicion / suspense generated so you actually want to see how it plays out. That's pretty interesting and effective from the show as a whole. You don't really care about the bulk of the people ... but it's fun watching it all play out.
Why didn't they just make an animated version of that excellent recent Scooby-Doo Doo horror comic???
Who the f*ck is in charge of these things?
Who the f*ck is in charge of these things?
The thing that made Scooby-Doo works so well is that all of the main characters were misfits.
You have a stoner that talks to a dog. An openly gay man who won't admit the obvious. His hot girlfriend who goes along with the whole charade. And a nerdy chubby chick who carries all the extra weight and her chest.
Her character worked well with the rest. Without them it falls apart.
To put it another way. Imagine you were dating a chick built like Velma. Everything's cool, except she keeps saying "jinkies" all the time. After one or two dates that shit is going to get so annoying that you don't even want to sleep with her anymore.
However, when she uses that word in the context of a bunch of other screwballs it becomes endearing.
Same thing with the show.
You have a stoner that talks to a dog. An openly gay man who won't admit the obvious. His hot girlfriend who goes along with the whole charade. And a nerdy chubby chick who carries all the extra weight and her chest.
Her character worked well with the rest. Without them it falls apart.
To put it another way. Imagine you were dating a chick built like Velma. Everything's cool, except she keeps saying "jinkies" all the time. After one or two dates that shit is going to get so annoying that you don't even want to sleep with her anymore.
However, when she uses that word in the context of a bunch of other screwballs it becomes endearing.
Same thing with the show.
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Perfectly stated.
It kinda started with Seinfeld but I think it REALLY got popular with the Shield
The white main lead anti hero.
Then you got sopranos mad Men breaking bad SOA etc etc etc etc
Everyone can't be sh*t
But yes when done right? Woo boy you got a class on your hands
But right now It's lazy at this point.
White Lotus is a great example of it being used well as a most an allegory type.
But even THAT gets a little exhausting
So everyone everywhere on every level is sh*tty? I cannot watch that all the time just for my mental.
Because they RARELY get truly punished for their behavior if you REALLY break it down.
Thanks.
Yeah - that's true regarding all the series with ANTI-heroes in the past 20 - 25 years especially.
As my pops says - in the end there should / has to be consequences. And if you've done enough dirt ... that should realistically catch up to you. You shouldn't always be one step ahead.
Good point re: when EVERYONE is shitty ... can't be good for one's own mental as a viewer.
At the end of season 2 of The White Lotus ... I liked seeing who "got away with it" (non spoiler) by playing their part. They were never someone else. They just moved on with their lives with all the chaos around them from other parties.
You can have likable antiheroes so long as there's something you can admire about the character.
For instance, Frank Gallagher from Shameless is a total piece of shit. The kind of person you would never want to know or come near. However, when you watch the show it's hard not to admire his charming smooth talking ways.
It's always Sunny in Philadelphia features five of the worst human beings ever put the paper. But there's a part of us that loves the idea of being able to day drink at Patty's pub.
Better call Saul is about a criminal who desperately tries to maintain a code of ethics despite the world he finds himself in. He's what you call a criminal butt. In other words, "he's a criminal, but look at how he take care of his friends". Or, "he's a criminal, but he never rips off his clients."
In real life, all of us have friends that are bad people. Yet we like them anyways in spite of their flaws, or maybe even because of them. A good antihero character is one that can tap into that sensibility.
That's not what the show is.
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I think you're on the money with this, that sounds exactly how a studio would make this decision lol
Good point. And the best villains are the ones that are charismatic. The Joker, Gustavo Fring (especially in Breaking Bad), Lalo Salamanca (in BCS), and the list goes on.
Exactly.
@playahaitian
You know a villain's great (any TV series or movie) when they are constantly stealing scenes and you're happy to see them and have a smile on your face as you watch them operate.
- Ledger in The Dark Knight and the posthumous award accolades that followed
- Fring throughout Breaking Bad (so many great scenes)
- Lalo on Better Call Saul ... charming and NOT to be fucked with
You know a villain's great (any TV series or movie) when they are constantly stealing scenes and you're happy to see them and have a smile on your face as you watch them operate.
- Ledger in The Dark Knight and the posthumous award accolades that followed
- Fring throughout Breaking Bad (so many great scenes)
- Lalo on Better Call Saul ... charming and NOT to be fucked with
And this is a common mistake when something is successful. Writers and producers fail to understand what made them successful.
Harley Quinn is violent and edgy and sometimes makes fun of its cast members. But at its core, it still respects each character's roots and motivations. Even if they aren't exactly right, there's still the essence of it there, and you feel like the writer cared about it on some level.
Even a show like Pup Named Scooby-Doo which does muck around with the characters because they're kids still feels authentic Velma feels like the writer(s) really don't like or care about Scooby-Doo at all, and it shows. There are a few good jokes here and there, but the love is very absent.
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Velma: Season 1 - TV Reviews
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The origin of the sleuth and member of the Mystery Inc. gang, Velma.
The Gay History of Velma in ‘Scooby-Doo’
Fans have recognized the iconic “Scooby-Doo” nerd’s queerness forever. It just took until now for everyone else to openly embrace it—including the franchise itself.
Gay and Raunchy ‘Velma’ Finally Turns ‘Scooby-Doo’ Upside Down
HBO Max’s hotly anticipated origin story of the brains behind Mystery Inc. is well worth the wait, with a compelling mystery and even funnier punchlines. (And yes, she is queer!)
You referring to this..?
Yup
Usually when ratings this bad they capping. Them cacs mad she ain’t white and still mad about that.
I'm not so sure about that.
Darth Vader had zero charisma, but he was such a badass nobody cared.
Cruella DeVille was the opposite of charisma, but she had that pimptacular fur coat.
Tim Roth's Dutch Shultz in the movie Hoodlum was completely unlikable, but he helped make Anthony Garcia's Lucky Luciano seem suave by comparison.
Sometimes movie with a flawed protagonist will deliberately do something to make the villain unlikable. Like when Nino Brown used that little girl as a human shield. Without that he would have been at least somewhat charismatic.
Velma Season 2 Reportedly in the Works Despite Ongoing Backlash
According to new listings, Velma Season 2 is already in the works at HBO Max despite the series' reviews being almost unanimously negative.
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According to new listings, Velma Season 2 is already in the works at HBO Max despite the series' reviews being almost unanimously negative.
Velma Season 2 Reportedly in the Works Despite Ongoing Backlash
According to new listings, Velma Season 2 is already in the works at HBO Max despite the series' reviews being almost unanimously negative.
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Velma Season 2 Reportedly in the Works Despite Ongoing Backlash
According to new listings, Velma Season 2 is already in the works at HBO Max despite the series' reviews being almost unanimously negative.
Velma Season 2 Reportedly in the Works Despite Ongoing Backlash
According to new listings, Velma Season 2 is already in the works at HBO Max despite the series' reviews being almost unanimously negative.
Good agent, lawyer, manager>>>>>>
Velma Season 2 Reportedly in the Works Despite Ongoing Backlash
According to new listings, Velma Season 2 is already in the works at HBO Max despite the series' reviews being almost unanimously negative.
Velma Season 2 Reportedly in the Works Despite Ongoing Backlash
According to new listings, Velma Season 2 is already in the works at HBO Max despite the series' reviews being almost unanimously negative.
Interesting...
The way they dumping properties and THIS they sticking with?
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Can’t nobody say Batgirl could be as bad as this series.
too early- there is 95% of the series to drop over the coming weeks
Oh I don't believe any of this sh*t yet cuz...
I'm just observing.
but IF they do KEEP this series...
What YOU say Storm Shadow?
Hold on I do agree by Darth Vader but he’s probably the exception. Cruella was charismastic I feel.
I wonder will we ever see Batgirl. We got the Snyder cut. I wonder if we eventually get this.