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this isn't my convo but if you'd indulge me, what do you think she hasn't said that she needs to be saying? serious question because y'all been at it for pages and I haven't read it all if you said it already.

First and foremost, from a tactical perspective, it is just plain malpractice that she has not articulated a single tangible difference between herself and the unpopular incumbent. Biden's senility aside, incumbents have gotten mollywopped in elections across the globe since Covid. People worldwide want change and people in America want change. This is the most basic issue of the election. Her "I can't think of a difference" answer on The View was the worst answer from a Democratic nominee since "I voted for it before I voted against it" in 2004. Her stumbling on that question on that program and on Colbert was simply unacceptable. In later efforts to elaborate, she talked about working with Republicans more-- Which no credible Democratic presidential candidate this century has emphasized more than Joe Biden and is not a real difference. She and her team need to do better.

FWIW, I do have empathy for her. This is a tough election. She has a harder task than Obama, Clinton or Biden did. She's in the position John McCain was, running to replace a very unpopular incumbent as a member of the same party. But McCain was well-established as a rival of Bush and a maverick generally-- not his #2 in command. It's a hard task to pull off. (I was always very pro-Kamala replacing Biden and against an open primary but now I wonder if an open primary like Obama and Pelosi wanted would have been better.)

My second biggest criticism is she has leaned in to the "Republicans support me" angle far too much for far too long. Any value to be extracted from that has been extracted already for the most part. She was doing better in the polls when she was talking about improving people's lives through expanding housing, assisting first time homebuyers and addressing price gouging. I think she would do better if she returned to meat and potatoes issues. I have never heard her say a word about increasing the minimum wage, which is a lay-up since the shit is preposterously still below $8 an hour and unchanged in almost two decades. I could suggest ten more policies that she could campaign on to make the case that she will improve people's lives but the specific policies aren't as important as the tone with regard to winning this race.

I appreciate the question... How's that for starters?
 

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First and foremost, from a tactical perspective, it is just plain malpractice that she has not articulated a single tangible difference between herself and the unpopular incumbent. Biden's senility aside, incumbents have gotten mollywopped in elections across the globe since Covid. People worldwide want change and people in America want change. This is the most basic issue of the election. Her "I can't think of a difference" answer on The View was the worst answer from a Democratic nominee since "I voted for it before I voted against it" in 2004. Her stumbling on that question on that program and on Colbert was simply unacceptable. In later efforts to elaborate, she talked about working with Republicans more-- Which no credible Democratic presidential candidate this century has emphasized more than Joe Biden and is not a real difference. She and her team need to do better.

FWIW, I do have empathy for her. This is a tough election. She has a harder task than Obama, Clinton or Biden did. She's in the position John McCain was, running to replace a very unpopular incumbent as a member of the same party. But McCain was well-established as a rival of Bush and a maverick generally-- not his #2 in command. It's a hard task to pull off. (I was always very pro-Kamala replacing Biden and against an open primary but now I wonder if an open primary like Obama and Pelosi wanted would have been better.)

My second biggest criticism is she has leaned in to the "Republicans support me" angle far too much for far too long. Any value to be extracted from that has been extracted already for the most part. She was doing better in the polls when she was talking about improving people's lives through expanding housing, assisting first time homebuyers and addressing price gouging. I think she would do better if she returned to meat and potatoes issues. I have never heard her say a word about increasing the minimum wage, which is a lay-up since the shit is preposterously still below $8 an hour and unchanged in almost two decades. I could suggest ten more policies that she could campaign on to make the case that she will improve people's lives but the specific policies aren't as important as the tone with regard to winning this race.

I appreciate the question... How's that for starters?

Let me give you the cliff's notes version.

We leftists demand to be the center of her campaign and we demand that she run on our priorities - even though we can't get elected running on them and even though we will shit on her nonstop. And as people that lose the vast majority of races we run, we demand she take our advice on how to win elections.
 

Flawless

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This fool is really trying to turn us into that movie Idiocracy. No wonder him and his base dislike educated people.
Funny how there are all these posts with many different issues we have with trump yet the maga crowd here only bring up one issue which is about gay people. They can't tell you what they don't like about Kamala but will call her names.
 

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Let me give you the cliff's notes version.

We leftists demand to be the center of her campaign and we demand that she run on our priorities - even though we can't get elected running on them and even though we will shit on her nonstop. And as people that lose the vast majority of races we run, we demand she take our advice on how to win elections.

You ignored my completely non-ideological "first and foremost" point... But addressing that would require intelligence and get in the way of you repeating your single argument against me for the 555th time. :smh:
 

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Funny how there are all these posts with many different issues we have with trump yet the maga crowd here only bring up one issue which is about gay people. They can't tell you what they don't like about Kamala but will call her names.

THIS.

That's why I had to put most on ignore because the name calling is trivial. Policies are what matter. There has been 1 person I know that articulated to me why he liked Trump, but it was back in like 2020. He articulated he supported alot of Trump's foreign policies (i doubt he supports him now), but that's a valid reason IMO.

MAGA based their views off emotions. No logic is ever used when they try to explain their reasons.
 

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Let me give you the cliff's notes version.

We leftists demand to be the center of her campaign and we demand that she run on our priorities - even though we can't get elected running on them and even though we will shit on her nonstop. And as people that lose the vast majority of races we run, we demand she take our advice on how to win elections.

The first sentence of what he wrote is all you have to read really. It is like saying smoking menthol cigs prevents cancer. A straight, uncut, unstepped on lie.

The problem with progressives (which I am assuming you call leftists), as I see it is this:

They are the ones who insisted, way back in the day, that spanking your child is tantamount to barbarism.

They are the ones who, today, will tell you that you are a bigot because you disagree with gay marriage from a MORAL standpoint (supporting/opposing legislation against the group a different discussion).

They are the ones who insist a man who undergoes gender reassignment surgery is EXACTLY the same as a real live woman.

They are the ones who insist you call that transwoman a woman, or else, once again, you are deemed a bigot.

They are the ones who insist a 12 year old girl has the mental capacity to decide she is REALLY a boy. They are NOT old enough to legally fuck, but ARE old enough to decide they were shorted a dick and balls during conception.

They pushed gay marriage to the political forefront. I am CONVINCED this was a galvanizing factor that brought together otherwise disparate factions to support and elect tRump in 2016.

Progressives are OVERWHELMINGLY white, and therefore have the LEAST among us who oppose white supremacy to lose if and when things go south. They can just pretend to be neutral, or go along with the program.


I am not a fan of progressives. I supported Bernie at one point, but some of the things his cohorts stand for have contributed greatly to putting the nation in the position it currently is in.
 

Darrkman

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You ignored my completely non-ideological "first and foremost" point... But addressing that would require intelligence and get in the way of you repeating your single argument against me for the 555th time. :smh:

Your first and foremost Only applies to leftist period Biden is not Unpopular incumbent period he actually Was popular just not what leftists and people who ran around yelling genocide every five minutes. Your comment about him being senile shows how much you internalized what was basically a leftist talking point. We've seen now especially with the behavior of the media that that narrative was driven by the media. The media wanted him to drop out but what they wanted was a contested convention and they didn't get that. But that man is not senile he's still running the country and doing it well and the idea that he was an unpopular incumbent is only a wet dream of a far left Progressive person.
 
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