Update: Vice President Kamala Harris is now the Democratic presidential nominee

tical

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The general public is so dumb 1/3 pounder burgers haven't been a big hit because too many people think a 1/4 pounder is bigger because 4 is larger than 3. Those are the people we are saturatated with. I have no confidence in the ability of the masses to apply critical thinking.

And they never will and partly why they want to do away with the department of education to create even more dummies and help their election odds forever.

An educated populace is dangerous to the GOP! A dumb one is a friend and most easily manipulated.
 

2Klub

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And they never will and partly why they want to do away with the department of education to create even more dummies and help their election odds forever.

An educated populace is dangerous to the GOP! A dumb one is a friend and most easily manipulated.

Agree. I’ll drill down a step further, they want to change public education and if they can’t change it, they want to continue (not a slip of the tongue bc they are already doing it) trying to destroy it. At the same time, shift money and resources to private and charter schools of their choice under the guise of educational freedom and education vouchers (sound familiar?).

I’m not even talking about higher education.
 

2Klub

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Fair enough. The way I see it, the Dems lost this long before the Republican won it. Their agendas been out of touch for some time now which caused the middle to leave. And that was to a maniac. If you would have had someone sensible up there with a vision and a plan, I think even more of that middle would’ve shifted right, given what the Democratic Party has become. People want normalcy I feel. They’re desperate for it. Just my take.

You have me curious and I genuinely want to know what you mean bc I don’t understand how you feel.

How has the democratic agenda been out of touch when democrats support:
-protecting voting rights, healthcare access, lowering and capping healthcare and drug costs, supporting and building education infrastructure in ALL areas and regions, reforming gun access & control laws (that 70-80% of gun owners polled agree with), supporting workers rights, protecting environment.

…and that’s from moderate to centrist democrats. Overall, the Democratic Party isn’t progressive but pretty conservative. Therefore, I’m baffled by how people think democrats aren’t clear with their messages or don’t produce legislation that tends to be people and community centered (not ultra wealthy or big business centered).

Before anyone tries to counter what I said with, well, why hasn’t there been any changes in law? Please know that the single greatest and consistent role Republicans in government have been doing since 2010 has been blocking legislation from democrats. The majority of time, republicans have held majority rule in house or senate (or both). Often, a bill will pass in the house but not senate. The affordable care act, stimulus checks, education relief, and much more were minor miracles.
 

Costanza

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The Beyonce claim was fact-checked in October and found to be untrue...


I'm not seeing this in news reports when I search, feels made up.
 

tical

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He will go down as the ultimate bitch! If this Trump administration turns into disaster for the country he’ll be exhibit A of what happens when the top law enforcement person in the country refuses to do their job!!

Instead of putting the most resource in going after and persecuting the MOST DANGEROUS threat to the United States he bitched up and went after Wells Fargo!

Considering all that was at risk for Trump and the clear influences he had in Russian and who know where else to leave everything up to the election is the ultimate negligence of duty.

You don’t risk something this big on the election going your way!
 
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DJCandle

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Yeah, I figured that's where you were going and I'm not buying it. Gays and trans are becoming another scapegoat about the failure of the Dems and there really isn't anything supporting that.
LGBT candidates performed strongly this election which isn't what you would expect to see if ppl fled the Dems because of their support for that community.
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Ironically, this screenshot shows you EXACTLY why people left. The microscope gay and trans people have had for a decade SHOULD garner this response from them, as the Democratic Party has become their home where they feel safe.

Traditionally moderate center left Democrats were swapped out for the microscope of this community and it cost them the election. Democrats might’ve gained “historic wins” here but that was a costly price tag.

Democrats voting Republican and telling you why isn’t proof positive as to what’s happening?
 

Big Tex

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Ironically, this screenshot shows you EXACTLY why people left. The microscope gay and trans people have had for a decade SHOULD garner this response from them, as the Democratic Party has become their home where they feel safe.

Traditionally moderate center left Democrats were swapped out for the microscope of this community and it cost them the election. Democrats might’ve gained “historic wins” here but that was a costly price tag.

Democrats voting Republican and telling you why isn’t proof positive as to what’s happening?
Republicans ran on the same anti gay and trans shit in 2020 and 2022 and got washed both times.

The difference is there wasn't a Black woman running. Hell, people voted for Dems down ballot in the swing states and Trump at the top of the ticket. If it was all anti gay and trans, Republicans would have swept all levels of government in those states - which they did not.
 

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And they never will. A lot of people is going to get a huge wake up. Call with Trump right now. Even though I may get affected, but right now I’m at the point where America has to learn a hard lesson. We are in 2024 in the 21st-century and we still have to go through crap like this. With all of the crazy history of this country.
The problem with your argument, is that it requires an educated populous. There are dummies that still brag about tariffs, even though it's been explained multiple times how tariffs are paid by the consumer
 

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The problem with your argument, is that it requires an educated populous. There are dummies that still brag about tariffs, even though it's been explained multiple times how tariffs are paid by the consumer
No, there is a lot of Trump supporters who find the got the picture of tariffs after the fact and they are like oh shit we may have fucked up y’all listen to false information and now I got you here. Fuck you that’s what I would say to them. I hope I win the lottery tonight.
 

DJCandle

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You have me curious and I genuinely want to know what you mean bc I don’t understand how you feel.

How has the democratic agenda been out of touch when democrats support:
-protecting voting rights, healthcare access, lowering and capping healthcare and drug costs, supporting and building education infrastructure in ALL areas and regions, reforming gun access & control laws (that 70-80% of gun owners polled agree with), supporting workers rights, protecting environment.

…and that’s from moderate to centrist democrats. Overall, the Democratic Party isn’t progressive but pretty conservative. Therefore, I’m baffled by how people think democrats aren’t clear with their messages or don’t produce legislation that tends to be people and community centered (not ultra wealthy or big business centered).

Before anyone tries to counter what I said with, well, why hasn’t there been any changes in law? Please know that the single greatest and consistent role Republicans in government have been doing since 2010 has been blocking legislation from democrats. The majority of time, republicans have held majority rule in house or senate (or both). Often, a bill will pass in the house but not senate. The affordable care act, stimulus checks, education relief, and much more were minor miracles.
Sure. Colin Powell incoming ..

As I explained earlier and have throughout this thread, the out of touch feel is not solely economic based. It’s only half the issue.

To Democrats credit, they’ve done their job 95% of the time when it comes to the economy and getting it back on track. The part of the economics issue they failed at this time around, which I’d argue had the most severe impact, is the price of goods. That remaining 5%. You can try and point people to facts and charts and graphs all day, which they didn’t cause the messaging was clearly off, but all those pie charts pale in comparison to someone having to pay $150 for 2 bags of groceries.

Which do you think has the greater effect on a voter?

Pie charts or the actual cost of a pie?

How Dems answer this question is telling.

The other large issue remains the cultural aspect of the Party. Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, Native Americans, all voted in the opposite direction.

As we can see, the people who left and voted Republican were the traditional valued, hard-working minorities.

The minorities that have to deal with two Americas, not one. The minorities that have their root culture at home, where many times is a language other than English represented by the nation(s) they are from, followed by the remaining American culture that everyone lives in when we leave our homes. That home culture is usually pretty conservative and these folks base.

So when you exclude and alienate that base from them and trade it for the woke/PC/gay and trans show, which they’re not buying into, what’s Left?

See what I did there. I digress.

Case in point, these traditional cultures of people don’t care for any of it and the backlash isn’t just here in the US but it’s happening around the world. People regularly reject this “which gender bathroom” talk whether Democrats like it or not. Not when prices are going up all around them. Frankly, that talk is a luxury that these working class minorities cannot afford nor care about the way Democrats think they do.

These two massive factors, coupled in with disastrous messaging was a recipe for failure and put them out of touch.

As always, don’t take any of this from me. This is not my opinion, this is just what I’ve been hearing and seeing, not just this week but over some time now.

Go out and talk to these minority communities. Delve into their worlds. I live in the DMV so I can and do everyday. On my block alone, I have every demographic I listed up there and am cool with all of them. These are their words. And for a long time, Democrats haven’t listened to those words now.

To recap, all those points you brought were spot on and correct. Democrats did all of that and let’s face it, historically do.

But what they failed to do was:

1) Encourage the feeling of progress at the supermarket or gas station and maybe timing was an issue for Kamala’s price gouging spear

2) Failed to put the microscope back onto their minority base (Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, Native Americans) and reiterate which party fought for them and is their home

3) Be aggressive when it comes to messaging particularly in the internet space

Republicans to their credit, flipped every one of those points. Trump was able to tap into all that and turn it on its head. He agreed about everything being expensive even though he’ll probably make it worse, but he said what he had to, he knew the world didn’t care for the woke agenda & trans talk and used that to his advantage, and he dominated the internet space to get whatever rhetoric he was firing out and out there consistently. Trifecta complete.

Lets be clear, the Democratic Party isn’t far off from the top spot but for the last ten years, they forgot who they were and pushed an agenda that wasn’t as important as they believed, which is why I consistently say Republicans didn’t win this, more than Democrats just lost it.

To sum it all up, Democrats lacked simplicity. The simplicity that made them out of touch with everyday people.

Democrats now need to listen to the people that have abandoned them, go back to the center to remember what they are and consistently push that message across all platforms for the next 2-4 years to get back on track.
 

DJCandle

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Republicans ran on the same anti gay and trans shit in 2020 and 2022 and got washed both times.

The difference is there wasn't a Black woman running. Hell, people voted for Dems down ballot in the swing states and Trump at the top of the ticket. If it was all anti gay and trans, Republicans would have swept all levels of government in those states - which they did not.
It wasn’t ALL that. Just had a major part to play in the shift at the top and yea, Kamala being a woman def played a part in that as well but there’s no covering up for this gay trans shit. Traditional men didn’t care for either.

I’m convinced if Sleepy Joe would’ve stayed on with his dark Brandon alter ego, maybe Democrats would’ve won by a slim margin but that’s putting band aid over a wound.

There’s still a Senate and House to account for.
 

footloose

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Water is wet my friend
So you got none. Like I said.
And I’ll just repeat. I do “believe” they think that as I said earlier.
But the question was what did they say not what do you believe.being that you used that video as an example
You have tap dance sir. Wrap it up
 
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