Update: Vice President Kamala Harris is now the Democratic presidential nominee

[BlackRob]

Damn, that really happened??
I heard this earlier and figured another MAGA BS story.
No surprise this comes out AFTER Trump is elected.
Someone in FEMA wants to keep their job.
Trying to get infront of the story.

So, she shows up in a FEMA vehicle after the hurricane.
And sees the Trump sign and says
--- 'Fk'em' Let Trump and Jesus save their asses'
Lets roll ---

 

[Piff Henderson]

And that’s fantastic. Democrats usually get most things right as I stated in my long ass diatribe up above.

But they got the culture shift, the alienation, and the messaging completely wrong. Those can be fixed but it starts with listening to the people on the ground.

Look, Democrats temporarily lost the one group of people that always rocked with them, minorities. My fear is that if they continue on the path they’re on, the next ones to go are us. Black people. And even THAT shift is starting.

And the people on the ground said they voted for Trump because prices are too high. AOC even asked her constituents who voted for her and Trump why they did so and they mostly said because of the economy.

Furthermore, incumbents around the world have gotten the beats and the only thing all of these places have in common is inflation. The culture war issues aren't the same in these other countries.

BTW, didn't you tell me a few days ago polls can't be trusted in another context? If you don't trust polls, listening to a few ppl on the ground is anecdotal and doesn't really a count for much. The polls show ppl voted because of the economy.

‘Inflation is radioactive’: Trump’s victory is part of a global populist wave of voters throwing out incumbents

Inflation is politically radioactive, and voters have a very long memory for it, as Democrats found when Donald Trump won and Kamala Harris lost the presidential election.

theconversation.com

 

[daddyfatsacks9000]

When you multi quote people, I don’t know who you’re addressing.

Are you addressing what I said directly? Because I’m not blaming anyone for why the Dems lost. I’m merely stating an observation.

The smoke that people were giving the Dems for what they weren’t doing was not the same energy towards the republicans.

Even though you're not directly blaming the repubs you're still deflecting and making excuses. Its disingenuous saying the smoke is only flowing one way. The only reason you see it as not the same energy is because of the echo chambers on both sides. Ill use this board as an example.... Do you honestly believe there was the same level of smoke for the "MAGAcoons" and undecided as there was for the "blue no matter who" crowd? Be honest.

 

[Piff Henderson]

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[TIMEISMONEY]

The reverse. A narcissist just won by 4 million. I can only imagine what a sane and coherent campaign would’ve done.

But he didn’t win….

 

[DJCandle]

And the people on the ground said they voted for Trump because prices are too high. AOC even asked her constituents who voted for her and Trump why they did so and they mostly said because of the economy.

Furthermore, incumbents around the world have gotten the beats and the only thing all of these places have in common is inflation. The culture war issues aren't the same in these other countries.

BTW, didn't you tell me a few days ago polls can't be trusted in another context? If you don't trust polls, listening to a few ppl on the ground is anecdotal and doesn't really a count for much. The polls show ppl voted because of the economy.

‘Inflation is radioactive’: Trump’s victory is part of a global populist wave of voters throwing out incumbents

Inflation is politically radioactive, and voters have a very long memory for it, as Democrats found when Donald Trump won and Kamala Harris lost the presidential election.

theconversation.com

As I said, economy is one part of it. It’s not the whole puzzle and they flubbed the largest part of it. Pricing.

And yes, polls are a mere barometer but not the actual pulse of what’s happening. They can lend insight, but even in this election, they were wrong. Trust them at your own peril.

And that’s cool. Democrats don’t have to listen to people on the ground if they believe it’s only anecdotal. Many are gonna learn the hard way once all those anecdotes keep walking away from the party.

Whenever things don’t make sense, just remember who won and who fucked it up.

 

[VAiz4hustlaz]

Dang sis

Damn they’re cannibalizing each other!

 

[DJCandle]

But he didn’t win….

?

 

[VAiz4hustlaz]

But he didn’t win….

#stopthesteal

 

[VAiz4hustlaz]

Yall ain't gonnna believe this @easy_b @4 Dimensional @DC_Dude @Tdot_firestarta @Dr. Truth

#stopthesteal

 

[DJCandle]

I almost choked

 

[Politic Negro]

Just want to put this out here from an article from 2016:

"Here's what records kept by the White House and Congress, and InsideGov.com's analysis of Supreme Court divisions show:

• Between 2001 and 2007, Republicans controlled at certain points all three branches while President George W. Bush occupied the White House. GOP control was interrupted between 2001 and 2003, as the Senate majority flipped to the Democrats as one senator switched his party affiliation, one senator died, and when the 2002 midterm elections shifted control of the upper chamber.
• From 1961-1969, Democrats controlled all three branches during the administrations of Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.
• The 83rd Congress (1953-1955), during the presidency of Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower, saw the deaths of nine senators and the resignation of one. These changes shifted the balance of power in the Senate with each new replacement, according to the U.S. Senate website. When Republicans held the Senate majority during those years, all branches of government were under Republican-control, as the party also held the White House and Supreme Court.
• From 1937-1945, Democrats controlled all three branches of government during the administrations of Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman.
• And from 1927-1933, Republicans controlled all three branches of the government when Presidents Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover occupied the White House."

 

[Piff Henderson]

As I said, economy is one part of it. It’s not the whole puzzle and they flubbed the largest part of it. Pricing.

And yes, polls are a mere barometer but not the actual pulse of what’s happening. They can lend insight, but even in this election, they were wrong. Trust them at your own peril.

And that’s cool. Democrats don’t have to listen to people on the ground if they believe it’s only anecdotal. Many are gonna learn the hard way once all those anecdotes keep walking away from the party.

Whenever things don’t make sense, just remember who won and who fucked it up.

Things make perfect sense though. If the Democrats had won re-election, that would've been a fluke considering how incumbents have faired in other countries while also dealing with inflation.

And, yes, anecdotes are just that, anecdotes. People have no reason to lie about why they voted the way they voted so I'll definitely put faith in exit polling. People have overwhelmingly said prices motivated who they voted for.

Also I meant to ask where did you get the idea that Black voters are starting to flee the Democrats? The voting demographics certainly don't back that up. How both Black men and women voted is identical to 2020

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

The general public is so dumb 1/3 pounder burgers haven't been a big hit because too many people think a 1/4 pounder is bigger because 4 is larger than 3. Those are the people we are saturatated with. I have no confidence in the ability of the masses to apply critical thinking.

Living in a country that actively suppresses education doesn’t help these matters. The electorate dumbfounded on the issues is in their favor

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

And that’s fantastic. Democrats usually get most things right as I stated in my long ass diatribe up above.

But they got the culture shift, the alienation, and the messaging completely wrong. Those can be fixed but it starts with listening to the people on the ground.

Look, Democrats temporarily lost the one group of people that always rocked with them, minorities. My fear is that if they continue on the path they’re on, the next ones to go are us. Black people. And even THAT shift is starting.

Political heads and we have always informed the party their messaging is trash. Why is it so difficult to brag about their accomplishments and mention beneficial bills the MAGA have blocked

Pisses me off how fucken weak they are to the point I may just only participate in local elections and say fuck the Presidential. They allow Trumpkkk to spew lie after lie without refute

 

[DJCandle]

And, yes, anecdotes are just that, anecdotes. People have no reason to lie about why they voted the way they voted so I'll definitely put faith in exit polling. People have overwhelmingly said prices motivated who they voted for.

Also I meant to ask where did you get the idea that Black voters are starting to flee the Democrats? The voting demographics certainly don't back that up. How both Black men and women voted is identical to 2020

So most people are in fact lying about the left being too woke for them then, is that what we’re saying? I’ve not come across one Democrat who voted for Trump who shares your sentiment but I respect your opinion nonetheless.

And I guess it depends where you get your news from. Social media, Legacy media etc.. I’m certain there are a number of Black Men in particular that voted for Trump. Few might be in this thread.

Opinion: Trump received 21% of Black men's votes. Democrats ignored the warning signs

Vice President Kamala Harris underperformed with Black male voters, a fifth who cast their votes for Donald Trump. Now, they are being blamed.

www.tennessean.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/07/trump-black-latino-men-working-class-00188185

https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12

Why did Black voters shift towards Trump, and how did he woo them?

Trump almost doubles support among Black voters compared with 2020, exit polls say. How and where? We break it down.

www.aljazeera.com

How and why young Black and Latino men say they chose Trump because of the economy and jobs

“It’s been a very long time since the Democrats ever really kept their promises to what they’re going to do for the minority communities,” one said.

fortune.com

Honestly, I could do that all day but I don’t impress to easily with polls and source material because the pulse on the streets is far more impresssive. People saw this coming from a mile away if folks were paying attention and listening.

But if Democrats choose to continuously go down this current path, so be it.

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

He will go down as the ultimate bitch! If this Trump administration turns into disaster for the country he’ll be exhibit A of what happens when the top law enforcement person in the country refuses to do their job!!

Instead of putting the most resource in going after and persecuting the MOST DANGEROUS threat to the United States he bitched up and went after Wells Fargo!

Considering all that was at risk for Trump and the clear influences he had in Russian and who know where else to leave everything up to the election is the ultimate negligence of duty.

You don’t risk something this big on the election going your way!

These idiots always use the bullshit lines, "we will let the American people decide”. When
They don’t want to do their job

After Americans have shown to be dumb as rocks as population in 2020, when 71 million people voted for the orange man

 

[DJCandle]

Political heads and we have always informed the party their messaging is trash. Why is it so difficult to brag about their accomplishments and mention beneficial bills the MAGA have blocked

Pisses me off how fucken weak they are to the point I may just only participate in local elections and say fuck the Presidential. They allow Trumpkkk to spew lie after lie without refute

I agree. My father in law always said, “the Democrats have no backbone!!” And he was right.

They have always had this image of wanting to be the bigger man or going high when they go low. While I do understand that to a certain point, it’s also like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Sometimes you gotta get dirty and shut people the fuck up if they’re ever going to respect you.

Much of that manifests itself into this PC cancel culture they’ve created. You can’t say what you want or give an opinion cause then you an opp and you’re being doxxed on Twitter. Many on the left are too shook to tell something that is without affecting their mental health or some shit.

Republicans don’t care nothing about that. They say whatever they want, no matter how outlandish and extreme the shit may be.

 

[2Klub]

Sure. Colin Powell incoming ..

As I explained earlier and have throughout this thread, the out of touch feel is not solely economic based. It’s only half the issue.

To Democrats credit, they’ve done their job 95% of the time when it comes to the economy and getting it back on track. The part of the economics issue they failed at this time around, which I’d argue had the most severe impact, is the price of goods. That remaining 5%. You can try and point people to facts and charts and graphs all day, which they didn’t cause the messaging was clearly off, but all those pie charts pale in comparison to someone having to pay $150 for 2 bags of groceries.

Which do you think has the greater effect on a voter?

Pie charts or the actual cost of a pie?

How Dems answer this question is telling.

The other large issue remains the cultural aspect of the Party. Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, Native Americans, all voted in the opposite direction.

As we can see, the people who left and voted Republican were the traditional valued, hard-working minorities.

The minorities that have to deal with two Americas, not one. The minorities that have their root culture at home, where many times is a language other than English represented by the nation(s) they are from, followed by the remaining American culture that everyone lives in when we leave our homes. That home culture is usually pretty conservative and these folks base.

So when you exclude and alienate that base from them and trade it for the woke/PC/gay and trans show, which they’re not buying into, what’s Left?

See what I did there. I digress.

Case in point, these traditional cultures of people don’t care for any of it and the backlash isn’t just here in the US but it’s happening around the world. People regularly reject this “which gender bathroom” talk whether Democrats like it or not. Not when prices are going up all around them. Frankly, that talk is a luxury that these working class minorities cannot afford nor care about the way Democrats think they do.

These two massive factors, coupled in with disastrous messaging was a recipe for failure and put them out of touch.

As always, don’t take any of this from me. This is not my opinion, this is just what I’ve been hearing and seeing, not just this week but over some time now.

Go out and talk to these minority communities. Delve into their worlds. I live in the DMV so I can and do everyday. On my block alone, I have every demographic I listed up there and am cool with all of them. These are their words. And for a long time, Democrats haven’t listened to those words now.

To recap, all those points you brought were spot on and correct. Democrats did all of that and let’s face it, historically do.

But what they failed to do was:

1) Encourage the feeling of progress at the supermarket or gas station and maybe timing was an issue for Kamala’s price gouging spear

2) Failed to put the microscope back onto their minority base (Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, Native Americans) and reiterate which party fought for them and is their home

3) Be aggressive when it comes to messaging particularly in the internet space

Republicans to their credit, flipped every one of those points. Trump was able to tap into all that and turn it on its head. He agreed about everything being expensive even though he’ll probably make it worse, but he said what he had to, he knew the world didn’t care for the woke agenda & trans talk and used that to his advantage, and he dominated the internet space to get whatever rhetoric he was firing out and out there consistently. Trifecta complete.

Lets be clear, the Democratic Party isn’t far off from the top spot but for the last ten years, they forgot who they were and pushed an agenda that wasn’t as important as they believed, which is why I consistently say Republicans didn’t win this, more than Democrats just lost it.

To sum it all up, Democrats lacked simplicity. The simplicity that made them out of touch with everyday people.

Democrats now need to listen to the people that have abandoned them, go back to the center to remember what they are and consistently push that message across all platforms for the next 2-4 years to get back on track.

Thanks for the reply. That was good and interesting. I really do appreciate you writing that.



It makes me wonder who your neighbors were really listening too bc when I think about it, MAGA and republicans were really the main ones talking/yelling/screaming about “woke”, DEI, and gender stuff.

 

[tical]

These idiots always use the bullshit lines, "we will let the American people decide”. When
They don’t want to do their job

After Americans have shown to be dumb as rocks as population in 2020, when 71 million people voted for the orange man

Imo, this will go down as the greatest fail of the Justice system ever!

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

Imo, this will go down as the greatest fail of the Justice system ever!

100%, I really can’t believe this happened AGAIN!!

 

[Flawless]

 

[DJCandle]

Thanks for the reply. That was good and interesting. I really do appreciate you writing that.



It makes me wonder who your neighbors were really listening too bc when I think about it, MAGA and republicans were really the main ones talking/yelling/screaming about “woke”, DEI, and gender stuff.

No problem, appreciate you asking.

Not too sure but what I do know is that just because folks aren’t screaming and yelling about it at the top of their lungs, doesn’t mean they disagree with the ones who are. Like I said, many minority cultures are conservative to begin with. They don’t do loud. They keep their heads down, work hard, pay taxes into the economy and provide for their families. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have opinions either. Though they might not be shouting it from the rooftops, they may very well be speaking on it in quiet with their family, neighbors and people they trust, and also most importantly with their votes.

What’s crazy is that I live in liberal ass Maryland. A place that’s as blue as it gets. And it’s happening here. I can only imagine what it’s like elsewhere, red states in particular.

 

[DJCandle]

Simpsons need to be investigated fr

 

[Piff Henderson]

So most people are in fact lying about the left being too woke for them then, is that what we’re saying? I’ve not come across one Democrat who voted for Trump who shares your sentiment but I respect your opinion nonetheless.

And I guess it depends where you get your news from. Social media, Legacy media etc.. I’m certain there are a number of Black Men in particular that voted for Trump. Few might be in this thread.

Opinion: Trump received 21% of Black men's votes. Democrats ignored the warning signs

Vice President Kamala Harris underperformed with Black male voters, a fifth who cast their votes for Donald Trump. Now, they are being blamed.

www.tennessean.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/07/trump-black-latino-men-working-class-00188185

https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12

Why did Black voters shift towards Trump, and how did he woo them?

Trump almost doubles support among Black voters compared with 2020, exit polls say. How and where? We break it down.

www.aljazeera.com

How and why young Black and Latino men say they chose Trump because of the economy and jobs

“It’s been a very long time since the Democrats ever really kept their promises to what they’re going to do for the minority communities,” one said.

fortune.com

Honestly, I could do that all day but I don’t impress to easily with polls and source material because the pulse on the streets is far more impresssive. People saw this coming from a mile away if folks were paying attention and listening.

But if Democrats choose to continuously go down this current path, so be it.

Yes, thats what I'm saying. More to the point, I don't believe they're saying that.

First, the Democrats aren't the left and, more importantly, most people haven't claimed that they voted for Trump instead of Kamala because of "wokeness." Overwhelmingly they said it's because of inflation.

Secondly, I never claimed no Black men voted for Trump. They just didn't do it at a higher rate than they did in 2020. That's pretty much what everyone in this thread was saying after the election when some ppl were trying to blame Black men. More Latino men voted for Trump this time but Black men didn't change.

The "pulse on the street" only tells you what's going on in that particular community. The country is too big to extrapolate anything from the street pulse. So, I'll continue to trust the polls. They're not perfect but they're the best we got.

The Democrats will be fine. They still have their corporate backers after all. I can't say that for the rest of us. So be it.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Predictable. He was never anti-war.

 

[Big Tex]

Imo, this will go down as the greatest fail of the Justice system ever!

The biggest fail of the justice system AND political system were the SCOTUS judges that let you know now matter what federal crime Garland, Smith, or anyone else convicted Trump on, they were going to wipe their asses with it.

I mean they said he had FULL IMMUNITY, and that covers all those cases.

Trump was never going to jail on any federal case when he owned the court.

 

[praetor]

 

[DJCandle]

Yes, thats what I'm saying. More to the point, I don't believe they're saying that.

First, the Democrats aren't the left and, more importantly, most people haven't claimed that they voted for Trump instead of Kamala because of "wokeness." Overwhelmingly they said it's because of inflation.

Secondly, I never claimed no Black men voted for Trump. They just didn't do it at a higher rate than they did in 2020. That's pretty much what everyone in this thread was saying after the election when some ppl were trying to blame Black men. More Latino men voted for Trump this time but Black men didn't change.

The "pulse on the street" only tells you what's going on in that particular community. The country is too big to extrapolate anything from the street pulse. So, I'll continue to trust the polls. They're not perfect but they're the best we got.

The Democrats will be fine. They still have their corporate backers after all. I can't say that for the rest of us. So be it.

Fair enough. And more power to you.

I get there’s a distinction between the left, Democrat, progressive, liberal, but to the average working man, particularly minorities, that’s all one thing.

And maybe those who said black men didn’t show up for Kamala was early on because I’ve not really seen that myself. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I’m just saying I didn’t see it. There was a minor shift of men who voted Republican, which was expected. But for the most part, black men and women showed up and showed out as we always do.

Many of the Talking Heads out there have pointed at wokeness one way or another. To make it a single thing that people are looking to point the blame at is disingenuous, however to disregard that as a factor and a very big one, is even more disingenuous.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Oh there's going to be a lot of other ways to go down that "dark and violent path" starting after Inauguration Day..

 

[praetor]

 

[notreally]

I agree. My father in law always said, “the Democrats have no backbone!!” And he was right.

They have always had this image of wanting to be the bigger man or going high when they go low. While I do understand that to a certain point, it’s also like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Sometimes you gotta get dirty and shut people the fuck up if they’re ever going to respect you.

Much of that manifests itself into this PC cancel culture they’ve created. You can’t say what you want or give an opinion cause then you an opp and you’re being doxxed on Twitter. Many on the left are too shook to tell something that is without affecting their mental health or some shit.

Republicans don’t care nothing about that. They say whatever they want, no matter how outlandish and extreme the shit may be.

We had a democrat in Detroit, for 20 years, who I think, would exceed your expectations, were he still alive.

His name was Coleman Alexander Young.

He was the first Black mayor of Detroit. Took absolutely, positively NO BULLSHIT. From ANYBODY.
He was not above cussin' a mofo out on a live mic, if it were warranted.

Now the mayor is a white guy.

But, yeah. You can't be a punk. Dems are punks, for the most part.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Fair enough. And more power to you.

I get there’s a distinction between the left, Democrat, progressive, liberal, but to the average working man, particularly minorities, that’s all one thing.

And maybe those who said black men didn’t show up for Kamala was early on because I’ve not really seen that myself. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I’m just saying I didn’t see it. There was a minor shift of men who voted Republican, which was expected. But for the most part, black men and women showed up and showed out as we always do.

Many of the Talking Heads out there have pointed at wokeness one way or another. To make it a single thing that people are looking to point the blame at is disingenuous, however to disregard that as a factor and a very big one, is even more disingenuous.

I completely agree about the talking heads. They are pretty much the only people I've heard it from honestly. Many of these same talking heads also thought people would turn out for Kamala "to save democracy from Trump."

They were wrong about that and now they're looking for something to point fingers at. Don't expect any them to point fingers at themselves and admit how untrusted the media, particularly mainstream media, has become.

 

[Flawless]

He needs to go.

 

[DC_Dude]