Why can't Patrick Ewing get an NBA head-coaching job?

smoovejazz

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Unless you're in the league you don't really know do you? I stated my opinion which has more basis in fact than your speculation does. There have been coaches that don't speak particularly well and coaches that are large and intimidating. Ever heard of Bill Russell? Your points are nonsense. The owners want money. Money. Money. Money. And that comes from winning. They'd hire hitler if it meant wins, which equals revenue.

While your pointis correct that it was all about money and winning, your comment about Bill Russell needs to be put in context. Red Auerbach, his coach at Boston, had a lot to do with Russell getting head coaching gig. Red Auerbach knew Russell very well as a player and as a person, they had a long history together...plus, Auerbach, as a coach, team president, and man, thought outside the box without a single fuck about what others felt...these factors had a lot to do with Russell being a player-coach. Russell got other jobs on the strength of his career, and the fact that Auerbach had his back, which carried a lot of weight with others in the league because Auerbach was a powerful man in the League back then.

Also, if money and winning were the be all and end all, why are so many NBA coaches with less-than-stellar records getting hired again and again?
 
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Mo-Better

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I hate to down the brother but but IMO Ewing has never been a winner. Maybe if he had won just one title.
 

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If I were a GM in the situations that had job openings over his 14 years of coaching, I'd have interviewed him in more than two of those many situations. (I think he has been interviewed with the Kings and Grizzlies this year, so that would put him at being interviewed for four of the hundred plus openings I estimate have occurred.)

I wonder how many failed coaches have been re-hired in those 14 years.

I probably would have hired him in some of those situations, certainly not all. It's a very broad question. But the man is not even being interviewed.

That's not what I'm asking you. If you were a GM with a coaching vacancy today, would you give him the job based on his track record?
 

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That's not what I'm asking you. If you were a GM with a coaching vacancy today, would you give him the job based on his track record?

I think he should have been hired for the Sacramento Kings job. I would have hired him there. I don't want to front like I'm an NBA expert and say that the Pacers, Magic, Knicks, Rockets or Grizzlies should hire him. But I would interview him for any of those jobs and I think he'll be more qualified than the actual hire in a couple of those situations if not a majority.
 

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i think Mark Jackson should get another look.....he kind of built GSW

He should, and he did...but he's getting blackballed. He messed himself up by bringing in his views as a Baptist minister (who had his own transgressions) into the way he ran the team...besides, how are you gonna say that you don't want a gay player in your locker room when the man signing your paychecks is openly gay himself? Whether right or wrong, that would have been a good time to say some sort of 'no comment' about it.
 

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I hate to down the brother but but IMO Ewing has never been a winner. Maybe if he had won just one title.

So you think Luke Walton is more qualified to be an NBA head coach?

And what about the many coaches who never even played? How are you going to knock a guy who helped get his team to the finals more than once when dudes who never stepped on an NBA court are getting hired ahead of him?
 

Mo-Better

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So you think Luke Walton is more qualified to be an NBA head coach?

And what about the many coaches who never even played? How are you going to knock a guy who helped get his team to the finals more than once when dudes who never stepped on an NBA court are getting hired ahead of him?

Show me where I commented on Luke Walton. :hmm:
 

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There's reasons why some people seemingly get ahead while it takes others longer. If they ever make it. Most of the time its that persons persona. If this subject was about Kareem you might chalk it up to racism and his mishandling of the press when he was younger.

But with Ewing there's something missing, call it that "it factor." He just seems to lack it.
 

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Show me where I commented on Luke Walton. :hmm:
"Maybe if he had won just one title."

Luke Walton and Steve Kerr are "winners" in that way. I could've picked from 100+ examples.

You can't tell me Walton isn't a "winner" because he didn't lead the team, as Ewing would be the biggest star to become a head coach since Larry Bird; most stars don't coach and most players who played were nowhere near stardom. Mark Jackson is very much on the high end in terms of the quality of player-turned-coaches.
 

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There's reasons why some people seemingly get ahead while it takes others longer. If they ever make it. Most of the time its that persons persona. If this subject was about Kareem you might chalk it up to racism and his mishandling of the press when he was younger.

But with Ewing there's something missing, call it that "it factor." He just seems to lack it.

There are 30 teams. Mike Brown had an "it factor"? Are you really going to claim most of the 30 current coaches have an "it factor"?
 

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'If you're claiming to be an NBA insider, say so. But you claimed there are well-known temperament issues with Patrick Ewing (while still saying this is just your opinion) and myself and the other guy who replied are saying, no, that is objectively not well-known.

As much as people bitch about entitled athletes and coaches having no power, I wouldn't think having a coach who can get into players faces would be a negative. Though I don't believe there is one reported instance of this ever happening under Coach Ewing.


First of all, I never said there were well known temperament issues with Ewing. I said his abilities and shortcomings are well known, MAYBE he doesn't have the temperament. idk, there's a reason he's not getting hired and it's none of the reasons you and the other guy put forth.
These days more than ever players have input into who they want to play for. Owners are well aware that it's a players league, it doesn't matter who the coach is if you don't have the players you won't win. Now with players making bazillion dollars and with free agency players have the option to go where they're most comfortable. Owners know that well. The owners are not stupid, they're multi-millionaire businessmen. They know which way the winds blow.
Also take into account that these players don't know Ewing as a player, he's a myth to them. He has to convince an owner that he has the ability to communicate and motivate players that make 100 times what he does and keep them happy. All that translates into more money for the owner. And I'll say it again, owners want money. They will not do anything to interrupt their revenue stream.
 
Good read from 2015, at which point Ewing had received two head coaching interviews in 13 years. He's still not even really being considered.

Why can't Patrick Ewing land NBA head-coaching job?
Howard Megdal, Special for USA TODAY Sports
March 7, 2015

BROOKLYN — Patrick Ewing didn't feel like talking about his goal, the one he has been pursuing for more than a decade: NBA head coach.

He has talked about it before. He's made no secret of his wishes, then or now.

"All I can do is continue to coach, continue to work, be good at my craft, and hopefully, one day, that will help me when and if I get that opportunity," Ewing said last season, his first as associate head coach of the then-Charlotte Bobcats under Steve Clifford.

"I enjoy coaching. You know, I feel blessed that something I enjoy doing keeps me involved in the game on a day-to-day basis."

It makes the grind easier. He wants his chance. Meanwhile, he loves the process.

So this year, he isn't talking about it anymore. He started coaching as an assistant for the Washington Wizards back in 2002. Put another way, he's been a coach for nearly as long as he played with the New York Knicks, an era that lasted from 1985-2000 and seemed to go on forever.

But this is Ewing now, standing a few feet away from Bismack Biyombo hours before the game against the Brooklyn Nets, his demeanor a combination of fun and focus. Ewing kept breaking out into that smile those who know him know well but is missing from the scowling portrayal of Ewing that dates back to his playing days.

Still, though, Ewing never took his eyes off Biyombo, making sure he followed through on the drill — stop, turn — the shot Ewing so often put in the hoop during his playing days and now has helped a new generation of NBA players master.

Still he waits.

"He's not at all a self-promoter," Clifford, his boss and one of his best friends, told USA TODAY Sports. Clifford is one of many of colleagues who try to compensate by going out of their way to speak on Ewing's behalf. "We were together in Houston and in Orlando. And both times, when Jeff called him to come to Houston, and Stan called him to come to Orlando, his big thing was, 'I'll come as long as I'm doing everything everybody else is doing.' A lot of guys don't want all the work. He embraced all the work. But I don't think that story gets out there because he doesn't worry about it."

Ewing is relentless at practice. He breaks down video. He does more than just bring out the best in Al Jefferson, one of the NBA's few remaining back-to-the-basket centers. He does the same for Kemba Walker, a point guard who has little more than Big East Conference collegiate heroics in common with Ewing.

"He's a great communicator with the players," Clifford said. "He has a ton of knowledge. And he communicates with them in such a way that it isn't just about, say, a jump hook. He establishes relationships where he really coaches them."

Nor is Ewing simply trading on his reputation, allowing his résumé — top-50 NBA player, first ballot Hall of Famer — serve as a player's attention-getter. Nor is it clear he could: Biyombo was born in 1992. He was an infant in the Democratic Republic of Congo when Ewing battled Hakeem Olajuwon in the 1994 NBA Finals.

But Biyombo smiles when the subject of Ewing comes up.

"More than anything, it's just about having a better understanding of the game," Biyombo said of his interaction with Ewing. "And to have a better understanding of your teammates. He's been part of the game for a long time. He understands the game. He has a job for all of us to help us improve. I'm very thankful to have him."

Ewing has been a part of two Clifford teams now. Last year, Charlotte improved to 43-39, earning a playoff bid few expected. This season, even battling injuries to key players — Biyombo missed a month, Walker was recently cleared to practice after six weeks out — the Hornets again are seventh in the Eastern Conference.

This is the same franchise that went 21-61 the season before Clifford and Ewing arrived, 7-59 the season before that. It's the type of thing that usually leads to a raiding of the staff by other NBA teams with head-coach openings, particularly the top assistant.

"Things have to break your way," Clifford said. "The year I got my opportunity, there were a lot of jobs for franchises that were in a building mode, where they were going to hire a first-time head coach rather than the established coach, simply put, let's face it, because of the money. Other years, there aren't as many jobs."

Still, Ewing's received two interviews in 13 years. Even if, as Jefferson described it, point guards are assumed to know the game, and big men have to prove it, Ewing's done so. Clifford put him in charge of the Hornets' summer league team, and the results were telling.

"The first two or three games, we weren't even competitive," Clifford said. "And by the time they got through the week, just because of the way he handled it, coached them, was positive but firm. And by the end, he got them into the tournament play and won a couple of games. And it was all good coaching."

Clifford isn't his only supporter. There's a litany of players as well as coaches such as John Thompson, Jeff Van Gundy and Pat Riley, all mystified by Ewing's inability to get a chance. There will be jobs available this offseason, including one with the Orlando Magic, where Ewing finished his playing career.

"I don't know what the answer is," Clifford said. "I know he is an excellent coach, and he has more than paid his dues. If you're around him every day, you see it. I lean on him for a lot of things, the tough times. But he'll come to me. ... He helps me in every imaginable way.

"He was a committed, serious player. And that's just how he is as a coach."

Clifford will be sad to see him go, if Ewing finally gets one of the 30 jobs that exist. But he knows it's time.
Coaches thats a guards game. Name one center to win a championship
 

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Coaches thats a guards game. Name one center to win a championship

That's like saying "Quarterback is a white position. How many black quarterbacks have won a Superbowl?" Before Doug Williams it was zero and after he was the only one for decades. But whites received a great amount of preference at that position.

Same thing here with guards and coaching-- Even though the greatest coach ever was a center named Phil Jackson, there would likely be even more if big men were given a fair chance. So I can name one, under a system which discriminates against people like him and especially black foreigners in his position, who as better than any guard at coaching on top of it. Maybe I could name Kareem or so many others in addition if these unfair biases were not at play.
 

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S/O from Mark Jackson right now on ABC. "Patrick Ewing, a guy who should be a head coach in this league." Those 90s Knicks guys stick together.

Says he did a great job developing Bismack Biyombo.
 

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S/O from Mark Jackson right now on ABC. "Patrick Ewing, a guy who should be a head coach in this league." Those 90s Knicks guys stick together.

Says he did a great job developing Bismack Biyombo.

He worked with a lot of bigs in the league. People shit on him for Dwight Howard but that nigga is a lost cause.
 

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Life long Knicks fan. The issue with Ewing is that he is an awful leader. He was never the alpha dog on the squad. It was either Mark Jackson or Derek Harper or Doc Rivers despite him being the best player. Also, Ewing never seemed passionate about the game. He came off as a guy more concerned about the check. All those empty guaranteed wins that never happened. I have a hard time seeing him being motivational or strategic as a coach. It just isn't his personality. Not every former player is meant to be a HC.
 

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Life long Knicks fan. The issue with Ewing is that he is an awful leader. He was never the alpha dog on the squad. It was either Mark Jackson or Derek Harper or Doc Rivers despite him being the best player. Also, Ewing never seemed passionate about the game. He came off as a guy more concerned about the check. All those empty guaranteed wins that never happened. I have a hard time seeing him being motivational or strategic as a coach. It just isn't his personality. Not every former player is meant to be a HC.

:rolleyes:

Put some respect on this man's name!






















 

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I think these are main three reasons, in order of importance.

1. Viewed as inarticulate. But nobody goes to an NBA game to watch or hear the coach and no NBA team has ever made a dime of profit based on the coach's ability to host a post-game press conference. So this should be irrelevant but I believe it's the reason he was not getting job interviews.

2. Bias against centers-- see Kareem, all the guards coaching.

3. Physical appearance. When you add up race, tone, size, nationality (Ewing was born in Kingston, Jamaica and didn't come to the U.S. until he was a teen), Ewing is a big black guy and the same elements that had people throwing bananas at him and calling him a gorilla keep him from being considered for a more "intellectual" NBA position today. It's not everything-- Shaq would be more likely to get an interview than Ewing, mainly for reason #1, despite being basically the same demographically.
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