After 51 years does Gene Roddenberry's vision even matter anymore?
Under the old laws the whole franchise would be public domain by now.
WTF?!? Tarantino DIRECTING Star Trek & made Paramount & J.J. Abrams Agree on R-Rating Updates!
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After 51 years does Gene Roddenberry's vision even matter anymore?
Under the old laws the whole franchise would be public domain by now.
We'll see this could be interesting.
stop pretending like the original series didn't have its share of sexual tension, when it came to Kirk. It was enough of an issue that Abrahams made fun of it in his first star trek movie.
You act like Paramount is going to turn Star Trek into a porn flick. In reality, it will probably be a hardcore war film.
Star Trek in its purest form matters more now than ever before. I'm always astounded that a decent amount of people think Star Trek is "just" a show and more apt to this thread it is or can be elevated by gratuitous language, violence, and/or unsimulated sex.
Then again look at the state of our society. Cynicism, Cheap thrills and Mindless entertainment are at an all-time high.
Ahahha smh
"I act like Paramount is going to turn Star Trek...?" That's your opening point when I clearly suggested in my previous post that the majority of its episodes aren't based on gratuitous sex? Either you didn't read that post in its entirety or comprehension is at an all-time low.
he ain't goin to be calling the klingon's ni9er he gonna try to invade a world called niger... he gonna be like some nigers made the pyramids some nigers created math and science lets go find the niger species and see where the origin of men came from.. he gonna be like jesus was a niger, moses was a niger, lets see who else is a niger... star trek: the search for the original niger... tarantino gonna have a field day with this... sam jackson gonna be the native niger on the planet.. hello kirk im the head niger in charge, its over a billion nigers on this planet, us nigers travel throughout the galaxy dropping our niger genes wherever we feel fit
Tical we don't always see eye to eye about matters of entertainment content, but if I'm not mistaken didn't Rodenberry want the most diverse cast and set of characters? Sexual tension aside, I could have sworn I saw a documentary that stated something to the effect that Rodenberry wanted the inclusion of a Black character/cast mate and about how race relations were on the up in the future? If that is what you are referring to...yes...I agree.
Obviously, your comprehension is poor. You were crying about how Roddenberry never would bring up stuff like sex when he clearly did in both his show, the movies, and Next Generation up until the time he passed away. And the horror, sometimes it was gratuitous.
My point being if they have a nude scene in this rated R movie, it wouldn't totally be out of synch with the original show or movies. The only difference is that they will be showing a lot more and implying a lot less.
Peace,
Tarantino is one of those cacs whose teeth I’d like to stomp out of his goddamned mouth.
Tarantino is one of those cacs whose teeth I’d like to stomp out of his goddamned mouth.
I recently reread William Shatner's book "Star Trek Memories". He talks about Gene Roddenberry having the same issue when the show first launched. That's why he had to make two different pilot episodes with the second having far more violence than the first. It's also why Yeoman Rand were written into the show as eye candy.
My point is that Star Trek can and should use its premise to make a deeper social commentary, but for that to be successful you first have to get eyeballs on the screen. If that means adding gratuities to the screen then so be it. You can sacrifice Roddenberry's vision while still being true to his intention.
IMO Abram's movies socially bankrupt movies contradicted Roddenberry's vision much more than a nude Orion's slave girl's titty would.
You are absolutely correct in that assessment! Inclusion and diversity were always major tenets of this future world he wanted to conceive. Maybe on the surface that doesn't sound so fantastical. But we're talking about the 60s here. So the thought was pretty radical.
However, what makes Star Trek absolutely brilliant is that its exploration of "outer space..boldly going where no man..." is really an exploration of "inner-space."
Specifically, that "inner space" representing man/humanity.
When the crew of the enterprise is encountering a "strange" new world with "strange" customs, when they are faced with a seemingly no-win situation, hostile alien race etc...those things are "dress-up" they are really exploring us as people! Our stereotypes, bigotry, greed, love, hate, heart, soul, mind etc... Sooooo damn DOPE!!!
Lol..some people still don't realize Star Trek has never been about "outer space exploration"
What you read is also what I've read throughout the years. But I disagree wholeheartedly on the 2nd part of what you're saying while I do understand it's intent.
The reason is simple: Because of what people are and specifically what our society is and values. We don't "value" intellectual discourse or any of it's associated homolog. If we did, then much of our society would be radically different than what it is at the moment. Hell, our entire planet would be different...but let me digress.
You can take a look at the top 10-20 all-time highest grossing movies and then categorized them on the basis of 2 sections:
1) Mainly, "entertainment" not much thinking required.
2) "Thought" during, after, and many years later required to grasp it all.
What do you think the end result would look like?
The answer is pretty straightforward. The entertaining movies are the ones that make $$$ and the truly substantive ones do not!
That's not a mistake that is a microcosm of our society. We value frivolous things and not things truly of worth.
So in order for ST to make $$$ as you're suggesting, Paramount would have to swing that pendulum more towards "Frivolous-entertainment" which absolutely robs from "substantive-soul." The tilt of that pendulum for our purposes($$$) without fail leads to a perversion!
A product that carries the Star Trek name, The Star Trek Ship, and Uniforms but lacks its intended spirit!
Star Trek with the n-word and Samuel L Jackson???
“Somebody tell this nigga WARP SPEED!”
Somebody is about to be called a space n****r
Klignons bout to be called all types of niggas by Spock and Kirk.
Or some future variant of nigga
Knowing Quentin he probably gonna pull some gay niggas in outer space shit drawing from the old blacploitation film.
I just looked up the 10 highest grossing movies of all times (adjusted for inflation) and the results were quite different from what you suggested.
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
9 The Exorcist
8 Dr Zhivago
7 Jaws
6 The 10 Commandments
5 Titanic
4 E.T.
3 The Sound of Music
2 Star Wars
1 Gone With the Wind
What sticks out is that 4 of these movies are based on "Classic" literature (The Exorcist, Jaws, The 10 Commandments, Gone With the Wind). Star Wars spawned an entire universe and hundreds of YouTube dissertations on everything from the nature of The Force to the ethics of the Empire. These same thinkers debate endlessly on Jack and Rose from Titanic and have asked if the "wicked witch of the west" was really as evil as she's remembered to be.
IMO at least 7 of those movies require a lot of "Thought" to grasp it all. That's what makes them classics.
That said, when you can get a 48" Smart TV for $200 and a month of Netflix for less than a movie ticket the theaters have to wow, dazzle and titillate to get asses in their seats. That's where the R rated Star Trek comes in. I also think it could be done in a number of ways that would still maintain the spirit
For instance, some fans have made the case that the federation is a fascist empire. What if a group of R rated aliens fought back to liberate their planet? Kirk now has to decided whether these uncouth aliens have a point. It would help explain his character's tendency to break the rules. Spok would be forced to reconcile serving an organization that allowed his entire planet to get destroyed (Something that should have happened long before IMO) and so forth
He'll create a n***** planet where all the inhabitants are pasty white aliens who can only communicate using the n word. They'll be like Pokemon where they can only say one word to talk.
Man gtohwtbs.
The original series was oooozing with sexuality. It was 1960's tv. They had to deal with censors. The women were damn near nude in many episodes.
Them mini skirts the women wore had NO functional purpose. And how many cleverly covered aliens did Kirk fuck.
C'mon son...
The Revenant Writer to Pen Quentin Tarantino’s Star Trek
The writer of The Revenant will script Quentin Tarantino’s R-rated take on Star Trek. Mark L. Smith has been tapped to write the film, according to Deadline. Tarantino is pegged as the likely director with J.J. Abrams producing.
If Tarantino does direct the film, it will be his first time taking on an established franchise or one he did not directly write himself. His next film, currently under the working title of #9, will release in August of 2019 through Sony and will use the 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders at the hands of the Manson Family as a backdrop.
The writer of The Revenant will script Quentin Tarantino’s R-rated take on Star Trek. Mark L. Smith has been tapped to write the film, according to Deadline. Tarantino is pegged as the likely director with J.J. Abrams producing.
If Tarantino does direct the film, it will be his first time taking on an established franchise or one he did not directly write himself. His next film, currently under the working title of #9, will release in August of 2019 through Sony and will use the 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders at the hands of the Manson Family as a backdrop.
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While it was previously thought that Quentin Tarantino’s Star Trek film would involve an entirely new cast, actor Zachary Quinto has indicated that the project might actually bring back the cast from J.J. Abrams’ Star Trek films. Quinto has been involved with the most recent string of Star Trek films in the Kelvin Timeline as Spock since Abrams’ first film back in 2009. The star is a regular source of updates on the franchise and often provides important looks into where the Kelvin Timeline is going.
It was first announced back in 2017 that Tarantino was considering a Star Trek film. The news caused quite a bit of excitement and debate amongst Trek fans, with some claiming that the filmmaker’s unique style would bring some new, bold energy to the franchise, whereas others argued the director was a completely inappropriate choice and did not fit Star Trek at all. Franchise star Simon Pegg himself was skeptical of the news, once saying that the Tarantino choice was "an odd thing to do." Even though a good amount of time has passed since the initial announcement, no concrete storylines or plans have been floated and the project itself has not yet officially been confirmed. Earlier this year, Paramount hinted that another film besides Star Trek 4, the sequel to 2016’s Star Trek Beyond, was being developed, which could have been a veiled confirmation of Tarantino’s film.
Related: Star Trek 4: Zachary Quinto Says 4 Scripts Are In Development
With his most recent comments, Quinto has certainly indicated that the Tarantino-led Star Trek is coming into fruition. When asked about any details concerning the Tarantino film, Quinto said that he’s under the impression that it will involve the Kelvin timeline crew. “My assumption is that it is with us. That is how it has been presented,” Quinto said on MTV's Happy Sad Confused podcast (via TrekMovie). When asked for any more information, the star responded:
“You know, until deals are done and contracts are signed and schedules are cleared, nothing is set in stone, so anything can happen. My understanding is Quentin had this idea and they were shaping it and forming it and he is off to do his Manson movie. And it would be after that, that we would go maybe do one with him. Which is pretty exciting, pretty cool.”
If Abrams’ cast returned, it would confirm that Tarantino’s Star Trek is set within the Kelvin timeline. Early reports surrounding Tarantino’s film claimed it would be a stand-alone entirely separate from Abrams' Star Trek films, but Quinto’s latest statements appear to correct this and suggest that it would be connected to the Kelvin timeline, after all. Even if the Tarantino project falls through, Quinto is just happy to be able to continue playing his character with Star Trek 4. At the moment, Star Trek 4 will be directed by S.J. Clarkson, who has previously worked on episodes of Jessica Jones and The Defenders, and will be first woman to direct a Star Trek film.
Tarantino is currently knee-deep on his next film, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, a crime thriller set in Charles Manson-era Hollywood. The director is busy at the moment, as is the Star Trek cast according to Quinto. Importantly, the actor’s comments stressed that nothing is set in stone at the moment. The fate of Tarantino’s Star Trek film continues to hang on a delicate thread, and fans will have to hope that all of the various factors going into a film’s production line up correctly so that Tarantino’s vision of the Trek universe can finally come to life.
It was first announced back in 2017 that Tarantino was considering a Star Trek film. The news caused quite a bit of excitement and debate amongst Trek fans, with some claiming that the filmmaker’s unique style would bring some new, bold energy to the franchise, whereas others argued the director was a completely inappropriate choice and did not fit Star Trek at all. Franchise star Simon Pegg himself was skeptical of the news, once saying that the Tarantino choice was "an odd thing to do." Even though a good amount of time has passed since the initial announcement, no concrete storylines or plans have been floated and the project itself has not yet officially been confirmed. Earlier this year, Paramount hinted that another film besides Star Trek 4, the sequel to 2016’s Star Trek Beyond, was being developed, which could have been a veiled confirmation of Tarantino’s film.
Related: Star Trek 4: Zachary Quinto Says 4 Scripts Are In Development
With his most recent comments, Quinto has certainly indicated that the Tarantino-led Star Trek is coming into fruition. When asked about any details concerning the Tarantino film, Quinto said that he’s under the impression that it will involve the Kelvin timeline crew. “My assumption is that it is with us. That is how it has been presented,” Quinto said on MTV's Happy Sad Confused podcast (via TrekMovie). When asked for any more information, the star responded:
“You know, until deals are done and contracts are signed and schedules are cleared, nothing is set in stone, so anything can happen. My understanding is Quentin had this idea and they were shaping it and forming it and he is off to do his Manson movie. And it would be after that, that we would go maybe do one with him. Which is pretty exciting, pretty cool.”
If Abrams’ cast returned, it would confirm that Tarantino’s Star Trek is set within the Kelvin timeline. Early reports surrounding Tarantino’s film claimed it would be a stand-alone entirely separate from Abrams' Star Trek films, but Quinto’s latest statements appear to correct this and suggest that it would be connected to the Kelvin timeline, after all. Even if the Tarantino project falls through, Quinto is just happy to be able to continue playing his character with Star Trek 4. At the moment, Star Trek 4 will be directed by S.J. Clarkson, who has previously worked on episodes of Jessica Jones and The Defenders, and will be first woman to direct a Star Trek film.
Tarantino is currently knee-deep on his next film, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, a crime thriller set in Charles Manson-era Hollywood. The director is busy at the moment, as is the Star Trek cast according to Quinto. Importantly, the actor’s comments stressed that nothing is set in stone at the moment. The fate of Tarantino’s Star Trek film continues to hang on a delicate thread, and fans will have to hope that all of the various factors going into a film’s production line up correctly so that Tarantino’s vision of the Trek universe can finally come to life.
So he does this Manson film next which opens the door for him to use ****** gratuitously again. Then he does a stand alone Star Trek where he will manage to squeeze in some futuristic version of ****** or do some gay ******* in outter space type shit from grindhouse.
But im curious to see how he does the sci-fi side of filmmaking. Star Trek is big on action QT’s films while cool arent as action instense save a few obvious films of his.
But im curious to see how he does the sci-fi side of filmmaking. Star Trek is big on action QT’s films while cool arent as action instense save a few obvious films of his.
I can see it now:
"Admiral Take No Shit" sends the Federation flagship "U.S.S. Motherfucker" with a crew of ni@@ers on a 5 year mission to "Put motherfuckers in check" all around the Federation.
Cast:
Samuel L. Jackson- Admiral Badass.
Jaime Foxx- Captain Dick Slinger.
Pam Grier- Sexy Star Fleet Ambassador
Uma Thurman- Lt. Take No Shit
Harvey Keitel- The Fixer.
Michael Madsen- Romulan villain who tortures Federation crew.
Steve Buscemi- Dr. Conscious
Christoph Waltz- The Borg. (Wins Oscar)
James Remar- Star Fleet crew (multiple roles)
Kerry Washington- Green Orion Slave girl.
John Travolta- Klingon villain.
Ving Rhames- Commander Negro.
Bruce Dern- Admiral No Use for Ni@@ers.
Vivica A. Foxx- Rear Admiral Tightpants.
"Admiral Take No Shit" sends the Federation flagship "U.S.S. Motherfucker" with a crew of ni@@ers on a 5 year mission to "Put motherfuckers in check" all around the Federation.
Cast:
Samuel L. Jackson- Admiral Badass.
Jaime Foxx- Captain Dick Slinger.
Pam Grier- Sexy Star Fleet Ambassador
Uma Thurman- Lt. Take No Shit
Harvey Keitel- The Fixer.
Michael Madsen- Romulan villain who tortures Federation crew.
Steve Buscemi- Dr. Conscious
Christoph Waltz- The Borg. (Wins Oscar)
James Remar- Star Fleet crew (multiple roles)
Kerry Washington- Green Orion Slave girl.
John Travolta- Klingon villain.
Ving Rhames- Commander Negro.
Bruce Dern- Admiral No Use for Ni@@ers.
Vivica A. Foxx- Rear Admiral Tightpants.
As far as I'm concerned other than the 1st reboot its been all downhill. The Spock/Uhura relationship is just nonsense. Plus they gotta racially ambiguous woman to play Uhura. There was/is plenty of talented "Milk and Dark Chocolate in Hollywood. Personally I would like them to just drop the Reboot and go to the future with a new crew and new stories. They never should have had the reboot. As good as Discovery is I wish they had done the same thing. Its a damn shame. Hollywood is so fucking lazy they got a show about the future stuck in past.