Im going to check it after work....
Young Justice Discussion Thread
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This last episode was good.
The first arc was boring because I'm not interested in Gar and I know the main purpose was to hint at bringing in the Fatal 5. This episode had a lot of eggs and setups.
The Mars arc layouts have been two episodes, not three. It really dragged on. I hope it’s a big payoff because I have no idea where this season is going.
Screen Rant: What did the time between seasons two and three do to the creative process? Did it give you time to plan for season four and ahead?
Greg Weisman: The rule that we go by is that the two of us have to be passionate about what we're doing. We can't just service what the fans tell us they want. If it doesn't ring true to our characters and make us feel passionate about the work how could we expect any of our viewers to be passionate about it? That would seep into the show and then what would there be to watch?
I do think that we listen to the fans. We get some good advice from fans. We get some really bad advice. It's sort of our job to sort through that and apply it as needed. Sometimes we're giving fans what they don't know they want until they see it, and sometimes we are breaking their hearts, but we need to stay true to our characters, our storyline, and our passion. Then we just cross our fingers that enough of our viewership likes what we do that the show is a success, but it's still got to begin with us liking what we do.
Brandon Vietti: Greg and I have had really great support from both DC and Warner Brothers in bringing out some of these stories that fans want but in unexpected ways. I think what's great about the fact that we have this designation of Earth 16, where things can happen that sort of mirror the continuity that fans might be used to from comics, but we can present things in a slightly different way. I think that gives us something interesting to work with. That's something that we always want to scratch the itch that fans have, but at the same time, we're fans too. So we can look at the material and say, what can we do differently that respects the material that came before us, that also sheds new light on a character or a storyline? Something that's a little different and gives you another perspective on an old favorite.
The time jump between seasons 3 and 4 is much smaller than the time gap between previous seasons. Was that a conscious decision?
Greg Weisman: We have always jumped as far ahead as we felt we could and still tell the story we needed to tell. Time is important to the show, specifically the passage of time. That's one of the things that sets our show apart. A lot of TV shows today are always stuck in the status quo of now. In animated shows, if a character like Dick Grayson is 13 years old in season one, he may be 13 years old for 10 years. Bart Simpson has been 10 years old for 33 years. But for us, Dick started at age 13 and now he's 24. That, to us, was intrinsic to the show. This idea of the reality of time passing and people aging, but in particular, growing not just older, but growing as people.
So factoring all that in, we had a one-year time jump between season three and season four. Relative to the five-year-jump we had between the first two seasons, that doesn't seem like much, but a lot can happen in a year. We felt like we really couldn't go much further than that because we were building towards this Mars arc with the planned wedding and we felt after being engaged for two years, they'd be ready to get married.
Young Justice is constantly introducing new heroes from more obscure corners of the DC Universe. With the Legion of Super-Heroes taking a prominent role in season 4, how did you choose which Legion members would best represent the group in Young Justice?
Brandon Vietti: A lot of times, we certainly have our favorites. If Greg's really in love with a particular character's story, or I have that same love for some other thing, we're going to find a way to weave those in. Then there's also just what are our story goals? What characters can help us achieve those story goals?
Greg Weisman: I specifically remember that since the show was called Young Justice: Phantoms, that I felt like we had to use Phantom Girl. We just have to.
Brandon Vietti: Both Saturn Girl and Chameleon Boy offer opportunities for stealth in different ways. Those were definitely traits that we felt we were going to need to lean on throughout the story. We've seen that in the episodes that have been shown so far. So I know those certainly helped to get them on the list.
Is there anyone on the staff or crew who doesn't get enough credit for making the show what it is that either of you wants to give a shout out to?
Greg Weisman: I think I'd like to give a little shout out to Jamie Thomason, our voice director, we have a phenomenal cast of actors who give us great stuff. But Jamie really pulls so much of that together. He's definitely one of the unsung heroes of the team, I could easily jump in with twenty more.
Brandon Vietti: I'm going to give a couple of departments credit here. Our posts department, post-production with which is when our animation comes back, we have a little time to work with the picture and make little improvements that probably nobody will ever notice that they will feel on the screen. We have had a number of great effects artists that come in and just sweeten explosions or laser beams or things like that, that just really bring extra excitement and impact to the final picture. I so wish I could list them all. But it is a very long list of effects artists.
We have a color correction expert named Darren Griffiths who also does color grading to every single episode that passes through and that it's adding things like subtle vignettes and sweetening colors. Again, these are such subtle things that most people won't notice. But honestly, if we sat in the room with any of these artists, and you saw the before and the after, it would blow your mind. The impact is tremendous.
Speaking of fans, how do you balance fan expectations with surprising them and giving them something that they didn't know that they wanted?
Greg Weisman: The rule that we go by is that the two of us have to be passionate about what we're doing. We can't just service what the fans tell us they want. If it doesn't ring true to our characters and make us feel passionate about the work how could we expect any of our viewers to be passionate about it? That would seep into the show and then what would there be to watch?
I do think that we listen to the fans. We get some good advice from fans. We get some really bad advice. It's sort of our job to sort through that and apply it as needed. Sometimes we're giving fans what they don't know they want until they see it, and sometimes we are breaking their hearts, but we need to stay true to our characters, our storyline, and our passion. Then we just cross our fingers that enough of our viewership likes what we do that the show is a success, but it's still got to begin with us liking what we do.
Brandon Vietti: Greg and I have had really great support from both DC and Warner Brothers in bringing out some of these stories that fans want but in unexpected ways. I think what's great about the fact that we have this designation of Earth 16, where things can happen that sort of mirror the continuity that fans might be used to from comics, but we can present things in a slightly different way. I think that gives us something interesting to work with. That's something that we always want to scratch the itch that fans have, but at the same time, we're fans too. So we can look at the material and say, what can we do differently that respects the material that came before us, that also sheds new light on a character or a storyline? Something that's a little different and gives you another perspective on an old favorite.
The time jump between seasons 3 and 4 is much smaller than the time gap between previous seasons. Was that a conscious decision?
Greg Weisman: We have always jumped as far ahead as we felt we could and still tell the story we needed to tell. Time is important to the show, specifically the passage of time. That's one of the things that sets our show apart. A lot of TV shows today are always stuck in the status quo of now. In animated shows, if a character like Dick Grayson is 13 years old in season one, he may be 13 years old for 10 years. Bart Simpson has been 10 years old for 33 years. But for us, Dick started at age 13 and now he's 24. That, to us, was intrinsic to the show. This idea of the reality of time passing and people aging, but in particular, growing not just older, but growing as people.
So factoring all that in, we had a one-year time jump between season three and season four. Relative to the five-year-jump we had between the first two seasons, that doesn't seem like much, but a lot can happen in a year. We felt like we really couldn't go much further than that because we were building towards this Mars arc with the planned wedding and we felt after being engaged for two years, they'd be ready to get married.
Young Justice is constantly introducing new heroes from more obscure corners of the DC Universe. With the Legion of Super-Heroes taking a prominent role in season 4, how did you choose which Legion members would best represent the group in Young Justice?
Brandon Vietti: A lot of times, we certainly have our favorites. If Greg's really in love with a particular character's story, or I have that same love for some other thing, we're going to find a way to weave those in. Then there's also just what are our story goals? What characters can help us achieve those story goals?
Greg Weisman: I specifically remember that since the show was called Young Justice: Phantoms, that I felt like we had to use Phantom Girl. We just have to.
Brandon Vietti: Both Saturn Girl and Chameleon Boy offer opportunities for stealth in different ways. Those were definitely traits that we felt we were going to need to lean on throughout the story. We've seen that in the episodes that have been shown so far. So I know those certainly helped to get them on the list.
Is there anyone on the staff or crew who doesn't get enough credit for making the show what it is that either of you wants to give a shout out to?
Greg Weisman: I think I'd like to give a little shout out to Jamie Thomason, our voice director, we have a phenomenal cast of actors who give us great stuff. But Jamie really pulls so much of that together. He's definitely one of the unsung heroes of the team, I could easily jump in with twenty more.
Brandon Vietti: I'm going to give a couple of departments credit here. Our posts department, post-production with which is when our animation comes back, we have a little time to work with the picture and make little improvements that probably nobody will ever notice that they will feel on the screen. We have had a number of great effects artists that come in and just sweeten explosions or laser beams or things like that, that just really bring extra excitement and impact to the final picture. I so wish I could list them all. But it is a very long list of effects artists.
We have a color correction expert named Darren Griffiths who also does color grading to every single episode that passes through and that it's adding things like subtle vignettes and sweetening colors. Again, these are such subtle things that most people won't notice. But honestly, if we sat in the room with any of these artists, and you saw the before and the after, it would blow your mind. The impact is tremendous.
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Fellas, to be honest...This season isn't good so far!!..I hope it gets better but right now it's not good!!
I owe you an apology! This season has been so boring and lack luster.
This is the best version of Vandal Savage. I've also realized that shit that was going on during season 1 is coming to fruition. I wish that this was a 40 minute show instead of a 20 min.
The titles spell out to : "Invitation To K............."
Today's episode..... gwad damn it was good!
Ever since they switched up the bro as leader, it went to shit.
They been dedicating a lot of time to drama but imo it's not written that well. When they not doing action, the writing is on par with the WB superhero shows.
I'm finally committed to getting back to this show
Y'all ain't gonna recognize the Vandal Savage storyline that's going on now?
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I'm getting old and not a fan of the storytelling and pacing in this season. It's all over the place. Once I start to get into Zatanna part, it cuts to Miss Martian and company. The Savage backstory should have been its own arc. It would have been a great bridge to the Zatanna episodes. I want to see the action play out without cutting to something else. We're 10 episodes in and the superhero action/fighting is lacking.
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Even with that, they sandwiched it between Mega’an crying over Connor, Beast Boy being depressed, and Zatanna and her interns watching two rich white kids fight.
They could do so much with that arc but we gotta watch superheroes deal with white people shit
I guess we'll have to wait for the Rocket Arc for the Milestone characters.
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Young Justice Statistics
Well, as I tweeted today, YOUNG JUSTICE: PHANTOMS is complete, with all 26 episodes in the can. I've also updated all my various reference documents to include everything from Season Four (not to mention Seasons 1-3, our various comic books, the AudioPlay and the video game). And since statistics kinda fascinate me - and since maybe they might fascinate you as well - here are a few.
The Young Justice Timeline is currently 718 pages long. In the past, I've reported that the length of the timeline mysteriously differed between my laptop and my desktop computers, but during the pandemic, my (relatively) ancient desktop finally bit the dust. So now the laptop page count triumphs.
There are 759 characters confirmed - one way or another - to be in the Earth-16 Universe. Some have only been mentioned or referenced briefly. Others, obviously, have had entire arcs dedicated to them. Calling some of them "characters" might also be a bit of a stretch, but I have reasons for including every single one. And - anal individual that I am - I have actually ranked them all in order of their importance to the series. This is something I once did as a hobby for the Buffyverse (which you can find in the ASK GREG archives under the heading of "Buffyverse Geek-Out"), and I've been perfecting my ranking system ever since. The idea is to attempt to make an incredibly subjective thing as objective as possible, based on things like screen time and amount of dialogue and the amount of times other characters reference them, etc. It's still not perfect because I do wind up with point scores, and especially with the lower ranking characters, I wind up with a number of ties. Thus, in order to break any tie, I'm forced to apply more subjective criteria.I was thinking about listing them a few per week, starting with 759 and working my way backwards toward number one. But some of the names haven't been intro'd yet. So it occurs to me that I need to wait until the Phantoms' season finishes airing.
Across four seasons (98 episodes) an AudioPlay and a video game, we've used 128 actors, a phenomenally talented group if ever there was one. Some have only voiced one character. Others have voiced over a dozen. I'm honored to be included among them - even if hiring myself is a rather dubious way to earn this distinction.
There's probably more, but this will do for now.
Just a little peek into my weird brain. Hope you enjoyed it. And I hope you enjoy the show."
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Young Justice Statistics
Well, as I tweeted today, YOUNG JUSTICE: PHANTOMS is complete, with all 26 episodes in the can. I've also updated all my various reference documents to include everything from Season Four (not to mention Seasons 1-3, our various comic books, the AudioPlay and the video game). And since statistics kinda fascinate me - and since maybe they might fascinate you as well - here are a few.
The Young Justice Timeline is currently 718 pages long. In the past, I've reported that the length of the timeline mysteriously differed between my laptop and my desktop computers, but during the pandemic, my (relatively) ancient desktop finally bit the dust. So now the laptop page count triumphs.
There are 759 characters confirmed - one way or another - to be in the Earth-16 Universe. Some have only been mentioned or referenced briefly. Others, obviously, have had entire arcs dedicated to them. Calling some of them "characters" might also be a bit of a stretch, but I have reasons for including every single one. And - anal individual that I am - I have actually ranked them all in order of their importance to the series. This is something I once did as a hobby for the Buffyverse (which you can find in the ASK GREG archives under the heading of "Buffyverse Geek-Out"), and I've been perfecting my ranking system ever since. The idea is to attempt to make an incredibly subjective thing as objective as possible, based on things like screen time and amount of dialogue and the amount of times other characters reference them, etc. It's still not perfect because I do wind up with point scores, and especially with the lower ranking characters, I wind up with a number of ties. Thus, in order to break any tie, I'm forced to apply more subjective criteria.I was thinking about listing them a few per week, starting with 759 and working my way backwards toward number one. But some of the names haven't been intro'd yet. So it occurs to me that I need to wait until the Phantoms' season finishes airing.
Across four seasons (98 episodes) an AudioPlay and a video game, we've used 128 actors, a phenomenally talented group if ever there was one. Some have only voiced one character. Others have voiced over a dozen. I'm honored to be included among them - even if hiring myself is a rather dubious way to earn this distinction.
There's probably more, but this will do for now.
Just a little peek into my weird brain. Hope you enjoyed it. And I hope you enjoy the show."