2015: The next recession has started

Mixd

Duppy Maker
BGOL Investor
I really don't understand this recession relationship to stopping budding tech or upstarts from being around.

Recessions come in 7 year cycles. How hard they hit is the question. Ask yourself, how badly did it affect that same group of VC's and what they gave to. Sure many lost alot but they adjusted and kept on Investing, rode out the wave, so to speak.

They, as in those behind the funding, don't get hit as hard as the rest of 'middle' America. They don't worry about paying their mortgages, putting food on their table, or making their next car payment.
 

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
San Francisco isn't the only area with the tech boom. Seattle Washington is already up there. Austin Texas and Richmond Virginia are developing too. the latter two have the advantage of cheap land and labor.

Plus the products some of these start-ups are making are borderline retarded. They got a company called rad pad which will help you find an apartment and also pay your roommate with a paper check if you give them money electronically. It's a service that Craigslist and your local bank can provide far better yet some how they have enough money to advertise at the Powell Street subway station. Don't get me started on NerdWallet. It's the square watermelon of tech.

San Francisco is like a college freshman who just got a shitload of brand new credit cards. Everything's golden until the lenders stop raising the limit.

No doubt, but Cali is still Cali. The place is just nice. As long as you're making good money in IT, Cali is affordable. And apps keep making money man...
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-app-store-sales-hit-a-record-17-billion.aspx

Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) recently announced that its App Store transactions hit a record monthly high of $1.7 billion in July. It also stated that it had paid $33 billion to app store developers to date, up from $20 billion last July. $8 billion of that was paid out in 2015 alone

Those apps going to have to keep rolling out man. They have to be supported man. It's only going to keep growing and growing. And who knows what the next Twitter is going to be.

IT keeps making money man. This ain't 2000. Other areas may start to become tech centers, but cali is king. It's California man. You better hope more cats choose to telecommute if you don't want any techies out there.
 

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
BGOL Investor
thats a interesting approach, a recession for a solution. I work at one of the top tech companies now and i know cities and states bend over to get the companies to move in. Im not sure how tech companies are the blame for cops in other states... but if thats what you sold yourself on then go for it.. but how will a recession help?

A recession will help flush out all the third rate tech startups that a living on borrowed money. It will empty out all the overpriced apartments and business spaces that are charging criminally high long term year leases.

Cops act crazy for a lot of reasons, but one of the reasons they don't get taken to task for it in SF is because almost all the black people have been forced out. Right now it's less than 5% of the city.

I'm hoping a healthy financial reality check will change things
 

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
BGOL Investor
No doubt, but Cali is still Cali. The place is just nice. As long as you're making good money in IT, Cali is affordable. And apps keep making money man...
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-app-store-sales-hit-a-record-17-billion.aspx



Those apps going to have to keep rolling out man. They have to be supported man. It's only going to keep growing and growing. And who knows what the next Twitter is going to be.

IT keeps making money man. This ain't 2000. Other areas may start to become tech centers, but cali is king. It's California man. You better hope more cats choose to telecommute if you don't want any techies out there.

Asking what the next twitter might be is like asking who the next Michael Jackson will be. Venture capital spends a lot of money to find out and when it doesn't happen they take the money back. You can't build when your whole economy is based on borrowed money. Besides, Twitter is starting to lose money.
 

Mixd

Duppy Maker
BGOL Investor
here's PR...

Puerto Rico's debt crisis just got worse
January 18, 2016: 4:47 PM ET



Puerto Rico's debt crisis keeps getting uglier.

The island has even less money than everyone thought, according to the latest figures out Monday, and it's having to resort to "extraordinary measures" to pay its bills.


The cash crunch is so bad that Puerto Rico's prison system is no longer paying the vendor that supplies food for inmates, and some special education instructors have stopped getting paid, according to a senior government official. The island is also delaying people's tax refunds.

Over the next decade, Puerto Rico must closea nearly $24 billion funding hole, worse than previously projected in September. That's after raising taxes and severely cutting expenses.

The island's problems center on how to deal with just over $70 billion in total debt.

"A significant restructuring of the Commonwealth's debt is inevitable," the government report concluded.

The island can no longer pay all its bills. It has already defaulted on debt payments twice. It has large bond payments due again in May and June.

The Obama administration has been pushing to grant Puerto Rico the same bankruptcy rights that other states have, a law known as Chapter 9. That could help Puerto Rico by letting it shed or restructure some of its debt under the supervision of a judge.

Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan vowed that Congress would do something to aid Puerto Rico by the end of March. Puerto Rican government officials say talks with Congress are ongoing. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew will visit the island this week.

The crisis has become a 2016 campaign issue. In the Democratic debate on Sunday, Martin O'Malley lamented the "shameful treatment that the people of Puerto Rico, our fellow Americans, are being treated with."

Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush have said they support giving Puerto Rico Chapter 9 rights.

Puerto Rico's problems

Puerto Rico is in what the governor calls a "death spiral" and "humanitarian crisis."

The island has repeatedly warned that it will have to modify its debts (either by delaying payments or else trying to get creditors to accept less than they are owed). But any restructuring without Chapter 9 or some other federal process would be very complex because the island is a territory.

Many were surprised that Puerto Rico was able to make most of the bond payments that were due on January 4, but it did that by delaying over $100 million in tax refunds and not paying government suppliers. The island even clawed back some funds that it had already paid out. Those "tricks" can't last much longer, government officials say.

Puerto Rico's economy has been contracting for a decade, and the government has been wracking up debt. Meanwhile people are fleeing the island and moving to the mainland United States in search of better jobs and pay. That only erodes the tax base on the island even more.


http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/news/economy/puerto-rico-debt-crisis/index.html
 

futureshock

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CITI: Everything you learned about how the world works is probably wrong
Myles Udland
10h


It's time to rethink everything we know about how the world is ordered.

Citi is out with a big new report on our current geopolitical order, and maybe what happens next.

What the firm argues, effectively, is that the global order most of today's adults have come to know as "true" probably isn't so anymore.

At the heart of Citi's report is the idea that "Pax Americana" — defined as the "post-World War II global order that relied, to a large extent, on American military, economic, and diplomatic power to guarantee relative political stability and economic development" — is over. Or at least ending.

But the problem is that there's nothing coming up to replace Pax Americana.

So we're facing what Citi calls a "Great Power Sclerosis."

The particulars and catchphrases, however, are far less important than Citi's broader message, which is that everything the people who basically run the world have come to know as true no longer is.

Here's Citi (emphasis added):

[M]ost political and business leaders and investors today have largely "grown up' in the post-1991 era, often described as the most peaceful and prosperous in human history and characterized by a host of pro-globalization developments and effective US hegemony. With this in mind, hopes for a reversion to the pre-global financial crisis mean, and with it, a return to some semblance of linear progress, may be misplaced [...]

In our view, political and business leaders will need to be more attuned to the new shape of global political risk, a paradigm shift that means that previous policies will fail to keep pace and uncertainty will remain high, with the potential to interact in unexpected ways. Among the key implications of this more fragile and interconnected risk outlook is that so-called Black Swan events — in this case, geopolitical events producing instability spanning several orders of magnitude — may be both more likely and more difficult for leaders and global financial institutions to resolve.

For investors, the biggest takeaway is that all those charts showing precrisis economic growth, the resulting slow recovery path, and the "output gap" are just illusions. Or maybe delusions.


Citi is pretty sure the whole "potential" thing has changed. Significantly.

There isn't, under this framework outlined by Citi, seemingly anything other than just a sort ofhope that things will go back to the way they were: when the US was the world's police and Western-style capitalism brought peace and prosperity to all the world's people. (Of course, this was never really the case. But, you know, memory and all that.)

Citi roughly argues that the arc of history is — and has been — turning away from this Pax Americana state of affairs and toward, well, something else.

What else is the whole point of the exercise.

But as for the major things worth keeping in mind right now and going forward, here's Citi again, at length (emphasis added):

The United States, through diplomatic activism backed up by unrivaled military power, kept many regional conflicts under control (or pacified them), such as between Pakistan and India, North and South Korea, Israel and its neighbors, and the states of the former Yugoslavia. It did not dominate world affairs in a hegemonic way (which would have been impossible even for the US), but it served as the arbiter of last resort and the world’s reserve power. After 1989, most nations buying into the post-Cold-War surge of economic globalization consumed US stability services around the world, even those who openly or clandestinely opposed America's relative dominance.

But this fortunate power structure has changed significantly over at least the last decade. The US position in global affairs has weakened. Other powers have gotten stronger. Some military interventions, such as the Iraq war, have eroded both US credibility and resources, an outcome supported by a host of global public opinion data. Less political capital is available in Washington to underpin America’s global role, leading to a "leadership from behind" culture that is considered to be ineffective and widely perceived as US weakness. Inward-looking, isolationist leanings have gained political traction in America’s political mainstream. The threshold of what constitutes US national interest has narrowed markedly in comparison to previous decades.

As a consequence, the international system is suffering from power sclerosis, compounded by absence of a replacement. The "Great Power Sclerosis" describes a situation in which Pax Americana has not been effectively supplanted by another system of global order, but in which its ability to resolve crisis, foster compromise, discipline rogue players, and defuse regional and local conflict is greatly diminished. In a situation of power sclerosis, the institutional framework of Pax Americana is still in place, but the effectiveness of these institutions has either been reduced, is being challenged, or is in doubt [...]

No global or regional power has emerged yet that is willing or capable to responsibly (or, thankfully, irresponsibly) fill the gap that America’s relative decline has created. Europeans are currently too inwardly-focused and too disunited to tap their full potential, both at home, and globally. China, the only other potential step-in, limits itself, for the time being, to a mostly regional role. It is generally interested in global stability as it is one of the biggest beneficiaries of integrated markets, but its political agenda, especially in its immediate neighborhood, does not fully overlap with that of the US or the wider West [...]

As a net result of all of these trends and developments, local and regional crises around the world play out stronger and more intensively than they used to. Weaker cohesion and diminished disciplining power make escalations of small conflicts more likely and encourage rogue states and opponents of liberal order to assert themselves more self-confidently. Stability in the overall system is weakened and likely to further deteriorate incrementally. The assessment of political risk in and around Europe, and around the world, needs to be made against this backdrop.

http://www.businessinsider.com/citi-on-pax-americana-end-2016-1

Read the full report from Citi here »


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GLOBAL POLITICAL RISK
The New Convergence Between Geopolitical and Vox Populi Risks, and Why It Matters

2016 has begun, as 2015 ended, amid a significant worsening of the global political climate and along with that, considerable volatility in financial markets. Investors and businesses are increasingly aware of the need to understand the drivers and the implications of a greater level of event risk exacerbated by shifting social patterns.

INFORMATION INSIGHTS
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Tina Fordham, Citi's Global Chief Political Analyst, has already warned that the latest events may mark a turning point in the political landscape as rising geopolitical tensions and shifting socio-political trends converge in an increasingly interconnected world. In this publication, Tina and co-author Jan Techau, Director of European think tank Carnegie Europe, explain how weakened global elites and fast evolving social trends have created an increasingly unstable political environment that threatens to bring unprecedented commercial challenges on a global scale.

There is an increasing likelihood that new transmission mechanisms are evolving that could lead to political risk having an impact on economic forecasting models, changing the way that companies do business and driving a secular, or even structural, increase in risk premia in financial markets.

Until now, financial markets have taken a relatively sanguine view of political events, treating them as regionalized and idiosyncratic. However political risk can quickly and meaningfully alter return expectations across asset markets where transmission mechanisms are established in economic channels.

Political events and social trends are becoming increasingly interconnected; links can easily be made between tensions in the Middle East, terrorist attacks around the world and the migration crisis, between migration and European politics, and between tensions in Europe and politics in the UK. With shifting political sands in the US creating a vacuum in global governance, there is an increasing risk that a negative feedback loop is forming as previously comfortable sectors of society feel increasingly vulnerable and less financially secure.

Hitherto, geopolitical events have largely been addressed through diplomatic channels but, as Tina and Jan point out, diplomacy is ineffective against a rising sentiment of injustice and inequality among increasingly diverse social groupings. The result is an increased incidence, on one side, of non-diplomatic measures such as sanctions, protectionism, aggressive regulation, border disputes and armed conflict, and on the other of anti-establishment sentiment, protests, violent demonstration and terrorist activity. All of these can deliver a direct economic cost that could be changing the business and investment landscape.

There are several channels through which political events could become a driver of financial markets: Sharply higher or lower commodity prices are surely one. Sanctions are another as they will normally have an impact on the economic prospects of an affected country. There may be an offset to this; when exports from a sanctioned country fall, there is likely to be a substitution effect in another producing economy. Overall, however, a combination of more sanctions and increased protectionism is likely to result in lower levels of trade and this, with reduced comparative advantages in production, is likely to weigh on global growth and commerce.

One of the main factors insulating markets from geopolitical risk has been abundant liquidity provision by central banks. As the Fed begins to raise rates, that support will begin to wane. For most of 2015 markets were transfixed by two main drivers; Fed policy and China's economic outlook. 2016 and beyond may prove to be the era in which politics rather than economics comes to the fore. To address this, we have brought together leading experts on geopolitical and socio-economic risks (Tina Fordham and Jan Techau) energy (Ed Morse) and economics (Ebrahim Rahbari) who believe he contours of a new post-Cold War, post-Lehman paradigm are emerging.

If they are right, or even partly right, and these changes are structural, we may be entering a new paradigm, where policy-makers, including Central Banks, have less power to mitigate risks. This suggests a whole host of previously assured assumptions could be in the process of becoming obsolete.

https://www.citivelocity.com/citigps/ReportSeries.action?recordId=48&src=Home
 

water

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OG Investor
Maybe in Cali, they have not figured out how to use big data, but here in DC, its coming on fast. I used to be one of those techies until a better opportunity came along. The chick I used to work with had a PHD in data science (dunno how she even found a school with that program) but she was working with my organization then the "company" came in, saw the work she was doing. then offered her 6 figures and 2 weeks later she was gone. Data mining and big data manipulation and stats are huge here. but after seeing a demo of its abilities, I was convinced that its real. every human being has certain habits, likes and dislikes. some we are not even aware of until someone points it out. it is a way of narrowing down certain peculiarities that a target of interest has then using that huge database to find them. See it, it works. right down to the websites a person habitually visits or items of interest a person shops for.



Smart dude.

I live and work in silicon valley and shit we were doing 2 yrs ago is now only hitting the east coast.

shit we are working on now is fucking crazy e.g. sentiment analysis on big data is new to everyone but we are now on to emotion analysis

similarly machine-learning-as-a-platform is growing rapidly here while mofos are training to be data science only to be replaced in 12 months e.g. prediction.io

i'm trying to put on as much people unto the game but they are not hearing.

sachs is using satellite imagery and image recognition to predict performance of retail, construction and other parts of the economy.

google digital globe and take a look at their resolution and who are their customers

deep learning, neural networks, convolution networks: google them

:itsawrap:
 

456.North.side

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Registered
A recession will help flush out all the third rate tech startups that a living on borrowed money. It will empty out all the overpriced apartments and business spaces that are charging criminally high long term year leases.

Cops act crazy for a lot of reasons, but one of the reasons they don't get taken to task for it in SF is because almost all the black people have been forced out. Right now it's less than 5% of the city.

I'm hoping a healthy financial reality check will change things

ok I see your line of thinking but i have to point out that most of the people in those apartments are not working at startups, my company has like 40k people and that's not counting the contractors they keep bringing in. Not to mention that when these startups fold (in your scenario), a lot fo them will go to the company that swallowed the start up, or to other tech companies with MANY MANY open positions that they have today... and they will stay right where they are when they shift companies.... Sorry, but the high rents will be there and sure black people won't... 5% is just how it is, Seattle the same way
 
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Mixd

Duppy Maker
BGOL Investor
Asian markets in a bloodbath tonight and crude and Brent oils in $28 range. Though CNBC reporting Crude fell to 27
 

Mixd

Duppy Maker
BGOL Investor
Nikkei 225 (N225) Tokyo
16,555.10
-493.27 (-2.89%)

Hang Seng (HSI)
18,844.00
-791.81 (-4.03%)
 
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Moving Target

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Bump....yes I am going to keep bumping until we get this thing front page. there is a economic war going on....mofos wont even know until the banks start having more "glitches" on Friday, bank holidays and the "bail-ins" start...
 

water

Transparent, tasteless, odorless
OG Investor
Bump....yes I am going to keep bumping until we get this thing front page. there is a economic war going on....mofos wont even know until the banks start having more "glitches" on Friday, bank holidays and the "bail-ins" start...



lol

people are sleeping

:smh::smh::smh:
 

Mixd

Duppy Maker
BGOL Investor
It's whatever, most don't care or whatever, think this is conspiracy. The WTI hit $26 today, jumped back up. The "good" are trying to hurt the families in their pockets that have been holding us under this system of banking and what the true reasons for their wars are for. AIIB and BRICS are doing something to change this world for the better. This is a long read but pretty good explaining things.

THE BIG SQUEEZE VS. KHAZARIAN MAFIA
JANUARY 20, 2016
http://geopolitics.co/2016/01/20/the-big-squeeze-vs-khazarian-mafia/
 

water

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OG Investor
Peace,



But, I mean, a Slam thread featuring (among other things) a chick rubbing rose petals on her pussy is a sticky, though.



hahaha

i gave up on battles on here to get an education forum and then a comic forum was formed instead etc..

at this point who have eyes to see will see
 

futureshock

Renegade of this atomic age
Registered
:angry:

Man BGOL should be a 24hour news channel.... :yes:

This Isn't 2008 And It's Not Time To Panic, Unless You Run A Hedge Fund
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antoine...ou-run-a-hedge-fund/#2715e4857a0b692e3efe2402



Is the stock market telling us we’re headed for a recession?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...arket-telling-us-were-headed-for-a-recession/

Street: S&P 500 prices and a 50% chance of a recession
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/street-this-says-a-50-50-chance-of-a-recession.html

Has the next U.S. recession already arrived?

He predicted that oil would fall to $25—two years ago. Now, financial analyst Bob Hoye believes the next U.S. recession is already here
http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-worrying-signs-of-another-u-s-recession/

U.S. Recession And Bear Market On Horizon

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3819356-u-s-recession-bear-market-horizon

Specter of recession haunts annual builders show

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2016/01/spector-of-recession-haunts-annual-builders-show.html/

Is A Recession Looming? Here’s What It Means For You And Your Money

http://www.ibtimes.com/recession-looming-heres-what-it-means-you-your-money-2270541

 
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VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
What happened to calls to build all of those pipelines to lower the cost of gas and oil from the Faux crowd?

IF a glikkkan (Bush...cough) were to become POTUS would they seek to prop up the oil industry once again?


Obama was on that green team and he could not find any fuks to give about that crowd. After all that they put us through....it is nice to see them shaking in their texas boots.

Big banks are cringing as crude oil is crumbling.


Firms on Wall Street helped bankroll America's energy boom, financing very expensive drilling projects that ended up flooding the world with oil.

Now that the oil glut has caused prices to crash below $30 a barrel, turmoil is rippling through the energy industry and souring many of those loans. Dozens of oil companies have gone bankrupt and the ones that haven't are feeling enough financial stress to slash spending and cut tens of thousands of jobs.

Three of America's biggest banks warned last week that oil prices will continue to create headaches on Wall Street -- especially if doomsday scenarios of $20 or even $10 oil play out.

For instance, Wells Fargo (WFC) is sitting on more than $17 billion in loans to the oil and gas sector. The bank is setting aside $1.2 billion in reserves to cover losses because of the "continued deterioration within the energy sector."

JPMorgan Chase (JPM) is setting aside an extra $124 million to cover potential losses in its oil and gas loans. It warned that figure could rise to $750 million if oil prices unexpectedly stay at their current $30 level for the next 18 months.

"The biggest area of stress" is the oil and gas space, Marianne Lake, JPMorgan's chief financial officer, told analysts during a call on Thursday. "As the outlook for oil has weakened, we would expect to see some additional reserve build in 2016."

Citigroup (C) built up loan loss reserves in the energy space by $300 million. The bank said the move reflects its view that "oil prices are likely to remain low for a longer period of time."

If oil stays around $30 a barrel, Citi is bracing for about $600 million of energy credit losses in the first half of 2016. Citi said that figure could double to $1.2 billion if oil dropped to $25 a barrel and stayed there.

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Related: $10 oil: Crazy or the real floor beneath the oil crash?

More oil companies will die

The oil crash has already caused 42 North American oil companies to file for bankruptcy since the beginning of 2015, according to a list compiled by Houston law firm Haynes and Boone. It's only likely to get worse. Standard & Poor's estimates that 50% of energy junk bonds are "distressed,"meaning they are at risk of default.

"There is a lot of distress in the industry. There will be a lot of pain but they'll get through it," said Buddy Clark, a 33-year veteran of the energy finance space and a partner at Haynes and Boone.

The financial pain has gotten so great that now there's murmurs of a bail out for the U.S. oil industry, though it's clear any assistance would run into political opposition.

Related: Is it time to bail out the U.S. oil industry?

Are banks ready?

All of this raises the question: Is Wall Street doing enough to prepare for the oil storm?

"One year from now, are you going to look back and say, 'Whoops, we didn't get ahead of this enough,'" outspoken banking analyst Mike Mayo asked JPMorgan boss Jamie Dimon during Thursday's conference call.

Dimon said if it were up to him, he'd reserve against the potential for even greater losses. However, he said those decisions are limited by accounting rules.

Still, Dimon said the energy portfolio makes up just a small portion of JPMorgan's balance sheet and many of the loans are backed by physical assets. That means banks can sell off assets to recover money if a company defaults on its loans.

"We're not worried about the big oil companies. These are mostly the smaller ones that you're talking," Dimon said.

Paul Miller, a banking analyst at FBR, said oil loans don't represent nearly the same threat to banks that mortgages did last decade. He also pointed out that banks have been forced to stockpile capital to help them absorb losses.

"The big banks might have 1% to 6% of exposure. That's not going to kill them. This is not like 2006 or 2007," Miller said.

Despite the turmoil, JPMorgan isn't planning to run away from the oil patch.

"To the extent we can responsibly support clients, we're going to. And if we lose a little bit more money because of it, so be it," Dimon said.

This is also why relations with Iran are being normalized and sanctions have been lifted.
 

Matt Beesy

Bgol Mod & Creator Of The Crypto Thread On Bgol
Super Moderator
I think sometimes people forget that just because there is selling going on right now that there is buying also going on. The big boys are buying up all the stocks for really low prices right now and this downslide will end when all the weak investors are out the market and done selling because of the high level of fear. This is a general market cycle that will become more and more the norm since we are now in the day of 24 hours news and stock updates via our devices and trading on our cell phones.

Once all the stocks are bought by the big brokerages, companies and smart investors the markup phase will resume and then these companies will slowly start to redistribute these stocks to the average investor raking in trillions over the next couple years ending with new highs and then we will start this process over again.

Yea alot of people are loosing their ass right now because this downward trend has been longer then anticipated but there is a reason for "stops" in the market place and a reason to also invest in bonds and metals in a time like this.

The truth is the news has made people scared and the market is running on all emotion right now because everyone thinks the world is going to end. But like always when it doesnt the people with all the cheap stock are going straight to the top.....


This chart shows how high we have climbed in the past couple years alone...... we have fallen alot but obviously we have had extreme growth..... Does anyone really think that was sustainable at that rate? Or better yet do you think that the drop is a little over blown at this point? We have fallen alot but not near the level equal to the recession of 2008%

ysnw
 
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TheDynasty

Certified Genius
BGOL Investor
I've been saying this goddamn shit since 2008 sounding like a crazed man, ya'll niggas lagging in denial... fucking around while these white folks, who are smelling and sensing the fuckery, are out here arming and stocking up for some bullshit. Got all my affairs in order and preparations DONE last November.

The U.S. Economy has been dead since 2008, the only reason why there is any semblance of economic activity was through the machinations of the Fed and them throwing out cheap money for banks and corporations to live off of. That shit was declared over and done with at the end of December with the rate increase and I would not be surprised if the Fed raises rates again to further kick up a general collapse as they slowly take the U.S. off life support.
 

TheDynasty

Certified Genius
BGOL Investor
hahaha

i gave up on battles on here to get an education forum and then a comic forum was formed instead etc..

at this point who have eyes to see will see

I asked this dude @HNIC the same thing sometime last year. This shit is too important to be fucked around with, I know it's a porn board and all but we're honestly entering uncharted territory with the world economy teetering as it is...niggas need to have eyes wide open and get their shit together to protect themselves and their families as this shit outright degrades over the next couple of years.

You got the U.S. Congress repealing 40 year old laws that kept the U.S. from actually entering the oil markets...why the hell would they do that when there is oversupply in the oil markets and you're openly competing with your Saudi "allies", provoking them to remove themselves from pegging to the Dollar and thereby destroying the Petrodollar?

Why were the sanctions on Iran lifted at this point in time, again referring to the oversupply and glut in the oil markets?

Why did the Fed raise rates in the face of HORRIBLE holiday sales data and overall general economic malaise in December?

This intentional sabotage and setup is so obvious it's hilarious if you actually can read between the lines.
 

water

Transparent, tasteless, odorless
OG Investor
I asked this dude @HNIC the same thing sometime last year. This shit is too important to be fucked around with, I know it's a porn board and all but we're honestly entering uncharted territory with the world economy teetering as it is...niggas need to have eyes wide open and get their shit together to protect themselves and their families as this shit outright degrades over the next couple of years.

You got the U.S. Congress repealing 40 year old laws that kept the U.S. from actually entering the oil markets...why the hell would they do that when there is oversupply in the oil markets and you're openly competing with your Saudi "allies", provoking them to remove themselves from pegging to the Dollar and thereby destroying the Petrodollar?

Why were the sanctions on Iran lifted at this point in time, again referring to the oversupply and glut in the oil markets?

Why did the Fed raise rates in the face of HORRIBLE holiday sales data and overall general economic malaise in December?

This intentional sabotage and setup is so obvious it's hilarious if you actually can read between the lines.



yes Sir


You are awake!
 

CoTtOnMoUf

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all this panic selling looks due to these crazy falling oil prices.

i still say this is just a blip and this is not the beginning of a recession.
 

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Global Shareholders Have $27 Trillion Locked in Bear Markets
January 21, 2016 — 7:02 AM CST

At least 40 stock markets around the world with a total value of $27 trillion are in bear territory, as investors witness the worst start to a year on record.

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The U.K. was the latest market to fall 20 percent from its peak, while India is less than 1 percent away from crossing the threshold that traders describe as the onset of bear market. Nineteen countries with $30 trillion have declined between 10 percent and 20 percent, thereby entering a so-called correction, according to data compiled by Bloomberg from the 63 biggest markets on Wednesday.

Emerging nations bore the brunt of the meltdown, accounting for two out of every three bear markets. Slowing Chinese growth, the 24 percent slump in oil this year and currency volatility have driven developing-nation stocks to the worst start to a year on record.

Among equity indexes that are on the cusp of entering bear territory are Australia, India and the Czech Republic, each having fallen about 19 percent from their rally highs. New Zealand and Hungary are putting up the best resistance to the turmoil, limiting their losses to less than 7 percent.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lders-have-27-trillion-locked-in-bear-markets
 

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For the US economy, bad news is actually bad news



For years during the stock market recovery, the bad-news-is-good-news theme has been central, the notion being that weak data would ensure strong central bank intervention.

With the Fed now on the sidelines and, in fact, hoping to tighten policy, that truism is under heavy assault, to the point where the recent spate of bad news has been just that, with no effective relief from the U.S. central bank or any of its global counterparts.

There's been plenty of bad news as well, with a fresh batch dropped on the market Thursday.

Read MoreThree incredible facts about the market's horrible run

The Philadelphia Fed's manufacturing index registered a negative reading at -3.5, confirming that the sector on a national level is in a recession. Worse, the six-month forward outlook in the survey hit 19.1, its lowest point since November 2012, as did the employment component. While manufacturing is just 12 percent or so of the U.S. economy, contraction in the sector has been "very predictive of underlying turning points in the broader economy," said Joseph LaVorgna, chief U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank.

read the rest: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/21/for-the-us-economy-bad-news-is-actually-bad-news.html
 

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Does U.S. Railroad Recession Point To Economic Slump?

With Union Pacific, Canadian Pacific Railway and CSX reporting downbeat quarterly earnings recently, company executives and analysts say the rail sector is clearly in recession — and the industry may signal contraction in the broader economy as well.

On Thursday, top U.S. railroad operatorUnion Pacific (NYSE:UNP) said freight revenue for coal plunged 31% in Q4, and industrial products slid 23%. Chemical freight revenue fell 7%, and agricultural products dropped 12%. Automotive revenue rose 1%.

Read the full article:
http://news.investors.com/business/...-recession-may-point-to-economic-pullback.htm
 

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Dow closed up triple digits today!

15,882.68
......... ^ 115.94 (0.74%)

Like I keep saying...

Don't panic folks.
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