23-year-old Korryn Gaines was murdered by Baltimore County police, PIGS DELETED HER SOCIAL MEDIA ...

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The biggest hole in his argument is she wasn't cut from the same cloth as Harriet Tubman. She was not fighting for black liberation. She was fighting for a Moorish ideology that don't see themselves in the same light as Africans in diaspora or Africa. That and he sat on the fence so long he probably got splinters in his ass.
Did you look through her instagram? She's pro-Black. & as for being cut from the same cloth as Legendary Freedom Fighter Harriet Tubman, that wasn't his point, he was making a larger point about Black people during slavery seen as crazy if they wanted to escape and wanted freedom, then he compared that with Korryn. Again, fighting against an irrational system can label you irrational and mentally unwell.
 

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Man, I don't know.

Reminded me of a student of mine that got expelled from school for pulling a knife on another student. Administration was going to allow her to stay IF she would have gave up the knife. But she didn't want to. When I told her would she give me the knife because she has a kid and she came back to school for a better future, she still wouldn't give up the knife. I even told her if that knife meant so much, I would go buy her a bigger and better knife if she would just up the one she had. She still wouldn't do it. Needless to say she got expelled and the police called on her for threatening a student with a weapon.

Point is, Once people get in their head, they aren't going to think rational anymore. Korryn was the same way. She lost this shit all the way around. Nothing she did helped anything. No police officers are dead, she's dead, her kid got shot and all on some bullshit that was totally irrational. If that is how we suppose to fight for the cause, then count me out. I'm doing more good for my people alive than dead, especially if I have any control of the moment. If the chick got a mental problem, then family, friends, and society failed her. She wasn't as ready as she believed and paid the ultimate cost.
Are you blaming Korryn for her own death? What did she do to warrant her own murder?
 

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Excellent points, why did they wait to shut her FACEBOOK LIVE down before they fully entered? & plus they had NO POLICE BODY CAMS!

See, this is what should be emphasized, not the other shit about her being a warrior, etc. She was mentally unstable, but that still doesn't make the way the police handled this situation right either.

EMPHASIZE the points you just made, but we can't expect her actions to be applauded by the media and those who hate and demonize Black folk.

White militia with guns being openly carried in Oregon and oppose and threaten police damn near have no action/force exhibited toward them for damn near two weeks, yet a woman in her own house with a legal weapon is killed in front of her child due to the same shit these White folks believed in and actually tried to exercise on government property.

If my folks don't wake up and see that shit ain't fair and you can't handle shit like them then we are going to get picked off one by one real smooth.

SHIT AINT CHECKERS, IT'S CHESS!!!
 

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See, this is what should be emphasized, not the other shit about her being a warrior, etc. She was mentally unstable, but that still doesn't make the way the police handled this situation right either.

EMPHASIZE the points you just made, but we can't expect her actions to be applauded by the media and those who hate and demonize Black folk.

White militia with guns being openly carried in Oregon and oppose and threaten police damn near have no action/force exhibited toward them for damn near two weeks, yet a woman in her own house with a legal weapon is killed in front of her child due to the same shit these White folks believed in and actually tried to exercise on government property.

If my folks don't wake up and see that shit ain't fair and you can't handle shit like them then we are going to get picked off one by one real smooth.

SHIT AINT CHECKERS, IT'S CHESS!!!
I hear what you're saying, & I agree, however I would call her "mentally fed-up with White Supremacy", it's very similar to the MOVE Movement People in Philadelphia in 1985. The MOVE were fed-up with White Supremacy and they voiced that, so they became target of the police which ended in the bombing of their home. Did MOVE members deserve to die? No, however that's the nature of White Supremacy even though the city of Philadelphia had a Black Mayor at the time.
 

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Are you blaming Korryn for her own death? What did she do to warrant her own murder?

She is responsible for her actions and behavior. NO it shouldn't warrant her death. Did she cause her own death? Well depends on how you look at it. All I'm saying is what she did was stupid as fuck. It done nothing for our cause. There are ways to go about this white supremacy battle and her way was dumb.
 

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Camille, thank you! Those crazy ass White folks believed the same shit, openly exercised force on government protected property that they ILLEGALLY trespassed on 'according to law'.

Korryn was in her own house with a legal weapon being served warrants/failure to appear in court for a traffic ticket/no valid license plates.

Are both in the wrong? yes, according to government law.

Are both situations handled equitably by law enforcement? HELL NO!!

Now look at the obvious reasons that would factor into the polices behavioral difference in approaching these two situations,involving the same ideological stance, in two totally different ways.

As much as I would like to say fuck it lets ride or die on these corrupt muthafuckas most of us have families and communities to take care of. We have enough of our own martyrs who have unfortunately died for this struggle against their own will. We have to strategically approach situations with these folks, that's what Black folk have to do.
 

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She is responsible for her actions and behavior. NO it shouldn't warrant her death. Did she cause her own death? Well depends on how you look at it. All I'm saying is what she did was stupid as fuck. It done nothing for our cause. There are ways to go about this white supremacy battle and her way was dumb.
Her actions were that she was at home with her significant other & her two children & she happened to be alive. By the end of that day, she was dead. Was her own action to murder herself?
 

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Her actions were that she was at home with her significant other & her two children & she happened to be alive. By the end of that day, she was dead. Was her own action to murder herself?
No she threatened to kill the officer and used her child as a shield. That is one sick son of a bitch
 

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Did you look through her instagram? She's pro-Black. & as for being cut from the same cloth as Legendary Freedom Fighter Harriet Tubman, that wasn't his point, he was making a larger point about Black people during slavery seen as crazy if they wanted to escape and wanted freedom, then he compared that with Korryn. Again, fighting against an irrational system can label you irrational and mentally unwell.
Dude she was crazy. Put your child in danger that is crazy
 

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Dude she was crazy. Put your child in danger that is crazy

She was at home with her two children & her significant other. Again, she was safe at home. What put her danger was the Police barging into her home, don't get it twisted.
 

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Wrong, she didn't threaten the officer and she didn't use her kid as shield. & what's sick is White Supremacy.
Look at her actions when she was pulled over. She went got her children out the back seat when she knew cops were about to use force and what she believed excessive force. She said "you will have to kill me I promise you". So apparently she was anticipating deadly force. Her instinct was to get her son from the back seat up to the front seat where he would have been in more danger.

Now watching the video she did that again in her apartment. She next to her son recording him coaching her son to be afraid of the police and was loading a shotty. She was using him as a shield
 

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Her actions were that she was at home with her significant other & her two children & she happened to be alive. By the end of that day, she was dead. Was her own action to murder herself?

If you tryna get me to say the police murdered that child, then I agree. But she damn sure didn't help the situtation. But YOU and others know there are ways to handle particular situtations. If you think that is the way to do it, then I don't want any parts of it. She wasn't thinking right. She was misguided. We can point fingers at whoever we want to. I'm trying to be empathetic here. i tried to place myself in her shoes. I'm not totally blind to her reality.
 

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I hear what you're saying, & I agree, however I would call her "mentally fed-up with White Supremacy", it's very similar to the MOVE Movement People in Philadelphia in 1985. The MOVE were fed-up with White Supremacy and they voiced that, so they became target of the police which ended in the bombing of their home. Did MOVE members deserve to die? No, however that's the nature of White Supremacy even though the city of Philadelphia had a Black Mayor at the time.

I agree with what you soar about the MOVE situation in Philly
In no way am I saying her situation should have been handled by the police the way that it should have, i.e. resulting in her death.

Was her death her own fault? Well, we (as individuals the majority of the time) have a part to play in the outcome of situations we are involved in...some more so than others. Like I and some others said earlier in the thread, this isn't on some Freddie Gray shit or Sandra Bland where they really had no bearing on how shit was going to end up. She didn't handle it in the best way that she could have...she was known by family and friends, to have clouded judgement that was affected by psychological and mental impairment that is documented.

Truth is though, whether you agree with what I just stated, I think we can agree on the fact that we don't know exactly what happened in that apartment because police obstructed evidence that could have led to more insight in what happened along with them not de-escalating the situation without lethal force.

You can't tell me that the Charleston shooter, after killing 9 unarmed citizens, not only lives and is unharmed while holding a weapon that he used to kill innocent people, but then gets treated to a Burger King meal while in police custody??? WTF???!!!! We know why that is....his fucking skin color.

The same rules don't apply to us!! Most of us know that. We have to counter this shit differently.
 

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Post from one of my facebook friends. Thoughts on her points? :idea:

"I'm sorry, but after reading the reports and watching the footage, it seems as if the victim was totally in the wrong. Because she is a black woman, y'all are angry at the police and angry with her boyfriend. The police did what they had to do, with a dangerous, clearly mentally ill suspect! Her boyfriend also did the right thing by removing himself and his infant from a deadly situation. This woman was clearly hostile prior to and during her arrest. She was unstable enough to threaten police with a gun, while her children were in the home. She is not innocent here and she caused herself and her son to be harmed. Stop making her boyfriend and the police out to be the bad guys. Watch and read the info. She was wrong! This is not another senseless police shooting. They did their job."
 

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If you tryna get me to say the police murdered that child, then I agree. But she damn sure didn't help the situtation. But YOU and others know there are ways to handle particular situtations. If you think that is the way to do it, then I don't want any parts of it. She wasn't thinking right. She was misguided. We can point fingers at whoever we want to. I'm trying to be empathetic here. i tried to place myself in her shoes. I'm not totally blind to her reality.
I'm not trying to get you to say anything, we're just having a discussion. & like you, I wouldn't have handled the situation like she did, I don't even own a gun. To unpack it, her gun was legal, & people are allowed to have legal guns, of course. So, the police become so frighten of this one legal gun, they had to bring the SWAT team. Now, we have found out that the police lied and they didn't obtain a key to her apartment instead they kicked the door in. & after that we are supposed to take the word of the police, that same police who disabled her FACEBOOK LIVE and refused to wear body cameras. SelfScience, something ain't right about the Police version of the story.
 

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To be honest, I don't like that video with the split screen shit for various reasons. You can't use that to build a timeline of events while the four panels are piece-mealed together to paint a mosaic of her actions and being played all at the same time.

What actions/videos came 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. MATTER!

This shit gives a biased perspective and creates a landscape in the viewers mind that may not be true.
 
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Post from one of my facebook friends. Thoughts on her points? :idea:

"I'm sorry, but after reading the reports and watching the footage, it seems as if the victim was totally in the wrong. Because she is a black woman, y'all are angry at the police and angry with her boyfriend. The police did what they had to do, with a dangerous, clearly mentally ill suspect! Her boyfriend also did the right thing by removing himself and his infant from a deadly situation. This woman was clearly hostile prior to and during her arrest. She was unstable enough to threaten police with a gun, while her children were in the home. She is not innocent here and she caused herself and her son to be harmed. Stop making her boyfriend and the police out to be the bad guys. Watch and read the info. She was wrong! This is not another senseless police shooting. They did their job."
Unfriend her...
 

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I'm not trying to get you to say anything, we're just having a discussion. & like you, I wouldn't have handled the situation like she did, I don't even own a gun. To unpack it, her gun was legal, & people are allowed to have legal guns, of course. So, the police become so frighten of this one legal gun, they had to bring the SWAT team. Now, we have found out that the police lied and they didn't obtain a key to her apartment instead they kicked the door in. & after that we are supposed to take the word of the police, that same police who disabled her FACEBOOK LIVE and refused to wear body cameras. SelfScience, something ain't right about the Police version of the story.


And what did she plan on doing with that legal gun?
 

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I agree with what you soar about the MOVE situation in Philly
In no way am I saying her situation should have been handled by the police the way that it should have, i.e. resulting in her death.

Was her death her own fault? Well, we (as individuals the majority of the time) have a part to play in the outcome of situations we are involved in...some more so than others. Like I and some others said earlier in the thread, this isn't on some Freddie Gray shit or Sandra Bland where they really had no bearing on how shit was going to end up. She didn't handle it in the best way that she could have...she was known by family and friends, to have clouded judgement that was affected by psychological and mental impairment that is documented.

Truth is though, whether you agree with what I just stated, I think we can agree on the fact that we don't know exactly what happened in that apartment because police obstructed evidence that could have led to more insight in what happened along with them not de-escalating the situation without lethal force.

You can't tell me that the Charleston shooter, after killing 9 unarmed citizens, not only lives and is unharmed while holding a weapon that he used to kill innocent people, but then gets treated to a Burger King meal while in police custody??? WTF???!!!! We know why that is....his fucking skin color.

The same rules don't apply to us!! Most of us know that. We have to counter this shit differently.
I agree with you, this should not have ended in her death....
 

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She had her legal gun in her home where it was supposed to be...
When you are being detained and told to step out of your vehicle and you just so happen to have a legal gun.....well it is no more legal for you to use it if you are being detained. I would suggest you not to own a gun
 

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Ex: if you are in a traffic stop and you have a legal gun and refuse to get out of your car can you reach for your legally owned gun in your own vehicle? No.

No different then grabbing your gun in this situation
Bunk, in Open Carry classes they tell you identify that you have weapon and an open carry license. Remember, that's what Philando Castile did.
 

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Bunk, in Open Carry classes they tell you identify that you have weapon and an open carry license. Remember, that's what Philando Castile did.
No he told the cops he had a weapon as***** He was reaching in his pocket. According to his g.f Facebook video.
 

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Bunk, this thread is about KORRYN GAINES. I just mentioned his name as an aside.

12:30-12:45

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This thread is about her but that doesn't mean it is limited to only her. This should inspire dialogue about what is and isn't legal to do when having encounters with officers
 

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12:30-12:45

Keyword:as

This thread is about her but that doesn't mean it is limited to only her. This should inspire dialogue about what is and isn't legal to do when having encounters with officers

Bunk, let's stick to KORRYN, thanks.
 
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