Any Screenwriters On The Board??

[raze]

Oscars: ‘Origin’ Script Deemed Adapted by Academy, Despite Being Classified as Original by Writers Guild (Exclusive)

The executive committee of the Academy's writers branch made the same decision for Ava DuVernay's script that it made for Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig's 'Barbie' script.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Not sure why it was considered an original screenplay by the WGA in the first place. I haven't read the novel or the script, so maybe there's something I'm missing.

 

[playahaitian]

Not sure why it was considered an original screenplay by the WGA in the first place. I haven't read the novel or the script, so maybe there's something I'm missing.

I'm confused too

Much like the Barbie nomination

 

[raze]

The writer/director makes some interesting points but it's wild how he cast a film that's right out of the Hollywood systemic racism playbook. Maybe there's a twist we won't see coming...



This film is going to have an uphill battle with Black audiences.

 

[playahaitian]

The writer/director makes some interesting points but it's wild how he cast a film that's right out of the Hollywood systemic racism playbook. Maybe there's a twist we won't see coming...



This film is going to have an uphill battle with Black audiences.

I am willing to go into this with an open mind but...

The MORE him and the the director talk and try to defend this film?

The WORSE they making it.

 

[ViCiouS]

The writer/director makes some interesting points but it's wild how he cast a film that's right out of the Hollywood systemic racism playbook. Maybe there's a twist we won't see coming...



This film is going to have an uphill battle with Black audiences.

A young man gets recruited into a secret society of magical Black people who dedicate their lives to making white people's lives easier. Although initially enamored with his new powers, he begins to question the value of using supernatural means to do the very thing he's felt obligated to do his whole life.

 

[playahaitian]

A young man gets recruited into a secret society of magical Black people who dedicate their lives to making white people's lives easier. Although initially enamored with his new powers, he begins to question the value of using supernatural means to do the very thing he's felt obligated to do his whole life.

Cuz...

There is a way to do that concept right and make a classic satire.

But but but... this don't feel right

 

[raze]

Cuz...

There is a way to do that concept right and make a classic satire.

But but but... this don't feel right

 

[playahaitian]

Nah you trying to make a point and sh*t on Black ish?

I ain't even listening

 

[ViCiouS]

Nah you trying to make a point and sh*t on Black ish?

I ain't even listening

you should- imagine someone writing Black -ish instead as Black ish (shit)

with no white people or white people shit

 

[playahaitian]

you should- imagine someone writing Black -ish instead as Black ish (shit)

with no white people or white people shit

My dream

 

[raze]

Nah you trying to make a point and sh*t on Black ish?

I ain't even listening

Right or wrong, Kenya Barris has become the poster boy for post-racial Black film and TV. The jokes have already started about his Wizard of Oz and It's a Wonderful Life remakes. I'm sure he would say that he's just drawing from his own experiences, but folks have figured out that if you cast a Black project a certain way and tell the story from a more "relatable" POV, it *might* click with white audiences, so they chase that commercial appeal and take Black audiences for granted.

Case in point: Kendrick Lamar is supposed to star in this live-action comedy produced by the South Park guys:

Kendrick Lamar, Dave Free & ‘South Park’ Duo Matt Stone And Trey Parker To Produce Comedy Penned By Vernon Chatman For Paramount

Kendrick Lamar, Dave Free, Matt Stone and Trey Parker have signed on to produce an untitled live-action comedy for Paramount.

deadline.com

The past and present [come] to a head when a young black man who is interning as a slave reenactor at a living history museum discovers that his white girlfriend’s ancestors once owned his.

It's wild how stuff like this and Magical Negroes can get through the Hollywood machine. Meanwhile, Danny Glover spent 30 years trying to make a Haitian Revolution film and found no takers.

 

[TheFuser]

They made it way worse by insinuating that Black folks don't get it. Maybe it's that, or maybe Black folks don't like that white people are still being centered in Black fantasy stories.

As someone who's pitched and heard all the feedback from both production companies and buyers, I understand some try to make it palatable for whites. A production head (white woman) straight told me, "I don't see myself in any of these characters." Um, I don't write stories for white women!! Heard similar things from buyers. They use phrases like, "It's very niche" when they don't think it's mainstream enough to attract white eyes and white dollars. So sometimes it's change it to pander to other audiences, or don't and risk it not being made. Fucked up space for Black writers.

 

[playahaitian]

Right or wrong, Kenya Barris has become the poster boy for post-racial Black film and TV. The jokes have already started about his Wizard of Oz and It's a Wonderful Life remakes. I'm sure he would say that he's just drawing from his own experiences, but folks have figured out that if you cast a Black project a certain way and tell the story from a more "relatable" POV, it *might* click with white audiences, so they chase that commercial appeal and take Black audiences for granted.

Case in point: Kendrick Lamar is supposed to star in this live-action comedy produced by the South Park guys:

Kendrick Lamar, Dave Free & ‘South Park’ Duo Matt Stone And Trey Parker To Produce Comedy Penned By Vernon Chatman For Paramount

Kendrick Lamar, Dave Free, Matt Stone and Trey Parker have signed on to produce an untitled live-action comedy for Paramount.

deadline.com

The past and present [come] to a head when a young black man who is interning as a slave reenactor at a living history museum discovers that his white girlfriend’s ancestors once owned his.

It's wild how stuff like this and Magical Negroes can get through the Hollywood machine. Meanwhile, Danny Glover spent 30 years trying to make a Haitian Revolution film and found no takers.

Damn it.

 

[playahaitian]

They made it way worse by insinuating that Black folks don't get it. Maybe it's that, or maybe Black folks don't like that white people are still being centered in Black fantasy stories.

As someone who's pitched and heard all the feedback from both production companies and buyers, I understand some try to make it palatable for whites. A production head (white woman) straight told me, "I don't see myself in any of these characters." Um, I don't write stories for white women!! Heard similar things from buyers. They use phrases like, "It's very niche" when they don't think it's mainstream enough to attract white eyes and white dollars. So sometimes it's change it to pander to other audiences, or don't and risk it not being made. Fucked up space for Black writers.

^^^^^

Post of the month.

So what gets me they SEE the success of Get Out, Atlanta, BEEF...

Blue Eye Samurai

It is BECAUSE of the specificity that those projects resonated and connected with a wider audience!

Pandering rarely works.

 

[playahaitian]

Right or wrong, Kenya Barris has become the poster boy for post-racial Black film and TV. The jokes have already started about his Wizard of Oz and It's a Wonderful Life remakes. I'm sure he would say that he's just drawing from his own experiences, but folks have figured out that if you cast a Black project a certain way and tell the story from a more "relatable" POV, it *might* click with white audiences, so they chase that commercial appeal and take Black audiences for granted.

Case in point: Kendrick Lamar is supposed to star in this live-action comedy produced by the South Park guys:

Kendrick Lamar, Dave Free & ‘South Park’ Duo Matt Stone And Trey Parker To Produce Comedy Penned By Vernon Chatman For Paramount

Kendrick Lamar, Dave Free, Matt Stone and Trey Parker have signed on to produce an untitled live-action comedy for Paramount.

deadline.com

The past and present [come] to a head when a young black man who is interning as a slave reenactor at a living history museum discovers that his white girlfriend’s ancestors once owned his.

It's wild how stuff like this and Magical Negroes can get through the Hollywood machine. Meanwhile, Danny Glover spent 30 years trying to make a Haitian Revolution film and found no takers.

They made it way worse by insinuating that Black folks don't get it. Maybe it's that, or maybe Black folks don't like that white people are still being centered in Black fantasy stories.

As someone who's pitched and heard all the feedback from both production companies and buyers, I understand some try to make it palatable for whites. A production head (white woman) straight told me, "I don't see myself in any of these characters." Um, I don't write stories for white women!! Heard similar things from buyers. They use phrases like, "It's very niche" when they don't think it's mainstream enough to attract white eyes and white dollars. So sometimes it's change it to pander to other audiences, or don't and risk it not being made. Fucked up space for Black writers.

So how the f**k ate we supposed to write original IP in this then???

Or even re boot stuff???

I can only write what I know. And write it well.

When has a pandering project been successful?

I do not think Black Pather was pandering.

 

[TheFuser]

^^^^^

Post of the month.

So what gets me they SEE the success of Get Out, Atlanta, BEEF...

Blue Eye Samurai

It is BECAUSE of the specificity that those projects resonated and connected with a wider audience!

Pandering rarely works.

We just gotta write and wait for the mandate to change. And it will. They always do.

Even before the strikes, the industry was in a volatile state. My best pitch was for HBOMax. I thought I had it. The questions they asked, the way they were trying to get to know me as an artist. It was different than the other pitches. The following week, the entire department was fired, and I couldn't get a meeting with the new folks in charge of new scripted series since I wasn't doing fantasy (they were looking for the next Rick and Morty) or existing IP. They're not even HBOMax anymore, just Max after being tossed around for a while.

Outside of Wednesday (and maybe one or two more), existing IP projects are flopping. Marvel (for the most part) is flopping. The industry will pivot. We just gotta be ready.

 

[TheFuser]

On another note but related, Matt and Trey of South Park took shots at the current state of Hollywood. Shit was fantastic.

Someone made a mashup of it on tiktok/youtube

 

[playahaitian]

On another note but related, Matt and Trey of South Park took shots at the current state of Hollywood. Shit was fantastic.

Someone made a mashup of it on tiktok/youtube

I still haven't watched it yet

Heard it was good.

But also apparently as usual as much as they sh*t on the corporations? they also sh*t on the incel fan boys, but the fam boys seem to miss that part.

I ain't watched in a minute but those boys are brilliant most of the time.

 

[playahaitian]

We just gotta write and wait for the mandate to change. And it will. They always do.

Even before the strikes, the industry was in a volatile state. My best pitch was for HBOMax. I thought I had it. The questions they asked, the way they were trying to get to know me as an artist. It was different than the other pitches. The following week, the entire department was fired, and I couldn't get a meeting with the new folks in charge of new scripted series since I wasn't doing fantasy (they were looking for the next Rick and Morty) or existing IP. They're not even HBOMax anymore, just Max after being tossed around for a while.

Outside of Wednesday (and maybe one or two more), existing IP projects are flopping. Marvel (for the most part) is flopping. The industry will pivot. We just gotta be ready.

Bro we support you. Positive energy and prayers.

 

[playahaitian]

We just gotta write and wait for the mandate to change. And it will. They always do.

Even before the strikes, the industry was in a volatile state. My best pitch was for HBOMax. I thought I had it. The questions they asked, the way they were trying to get to know me as an artist. It was different than the other pitches. The following week, the entire department was fired, and I couldn't get a meeting with the new folks in charge of new scripted series since I wasn't doing fantasy (they were looking for the next Rick and Morty) or existing IP. They're not even HBOMax anymore, just Max after being tossed around for a while.

Outside of Wednesday (and maybe one or two more), existing IP projects are flopping. Marvel (for the most part) is flopping. The industry will pivot. We just gotta be ready.

See I don't know. Like you said yourself giving examples...you said Wednesday but that had to add one or two more. Because alot does works. You KNOW better than most in Hollywood MOST projects fail.

So is the IP thing really dying?

Cause them we gotta count ALL existing IP right? Does Reacher count? And Marvel bad number would still be record breaking for another studio.

And I don't think using existing IP will ever go away in fact I think post strike it will actually increase.

 

[playahaitian]

I don't like to blame the audience. But they gotta do their part and support.

Book of Clarence got killed off the poster

Did we watch Woke?

Rap sh!t?

American fiction? Magical Negro?

Listen I didn't really either so I'm no hypocrite.

I'm not saying the projects are good or bad either

But we watch Power and BMF.

Equalizer

I'm just asking what does mean if anything?

 

[HellBoy]

 

[TheFuser]

Speaking of remakes........

 

[playahaitian]

Speaking of remakes........

Good luck Jake.

 

[ViCiouS]

Speaking of remakes........

 

[raze]

I don't like to blame the audience. But they gotta do their part and support.

Book of Clarence got killed off the poster

Did we watch Woke?

Rap sh!t?

American fiction? Magical Negro?

Listen I didn't really either so I'm no hypocrite.

I'm not saying the projects are good or bad either

But we watch Power and BMF.

Equalizer

I'm just asking what does mean if anything?

Good TV shows and films get overlooked all the time. As William Goldman put it, "Nobody knows anything." Can anyone explain why a show like Suits, after all these years, suddenly became a huge hit on Netflix? It's all a crap shoot. When a white cult show gets cancelled, fans cry about it on social media and do their little save-our-show campaigns. Eventually, they move on, and Hollywood will give the white creator several more chances. When a Black show or film fails to connect with Black audiences, the industry is like, "Let's never do that again." That's the real problem.

Just because we're an underserved audience, they think we should eat up anything they put in front of us, then lick the plate afterwards. People like what they like. Most folks, regardless of color, aren't sitting around watching Oscar fare or prestige TV. But there's always the insinuation that Black people don't have the intellect to appreciate "quality" entertainment. If white people can have cowboy fantasies like Yellowstone, let Black people enjoy Power in peace and not read too much into it.

 

[raze]

So how the f**k ate we supposed to write original IP in this then???

Or even re boot stuff???

I can only write what I know. And write it well.

When has a pandering project been successful?

I do not think Black Pather was pandering.

It's only pandering when the target audience isn't a bunch of white dudes.

 

[raze]

 

[playahaitian]

@raze

Thank you

 

[godofwine]

They made it way worse by insinuating that Black folks don't get it. Maybe it's that, or maybe Black folks don't like that white people are still being centered in Black fantasy stories.

As someone who's pitched and heard all the feedback from both production companies and buyers, I understand some try to make it palatable for whites. A production head (white woman) straight told me, "I don't see myself in any of these characters." Um, I don't write stories for white women!! Heard similar things from buyers. They use phrases like, "It's very niche" when they don't think it's mainstream enough to attract white eyes and white dollars. So sometimes it's change it to pander to other audiences, or don't and risk it not being made. Fucked up space for Black writers.

One huge difference between black people and white people is black people don't need to see themselves represented in order to enjoy entertainment and music or TV or movie form. I watch Friends and laugh my ass off and they might have had five black people on the entire show. And their hijinks were funny

Many people watch Seinfeld, frazier, cheers, Full House, each of which had very few if any black people on the entire run of those series, yet black people can enjoy them just fine.

When white people don't see themselves represented, or if they don't see themselves in the character they immediately stop caring. It ceases to exist in their mind.

So many shows like Martin had the standalone white guy who didn't belong in order not to be an all black show

Who didn't watch Full House? It didn't matter that there weren't any black people on it, it was funny.

Tony Morrison spoke of the white gaze and many black writers feel pressure to add White characters to their work in order to make it more palatable for white people when they don't do the same. Toni Morrison spoke about that too.

 

[godofwine]

This is fact. It's like he's talking about the most recent Marvel movies where they're trying so hard to please the LGBT and everybody The fuck else rather than just making a fucking movie and how it's a stark contrast from the movies at the beginning of the Marvel Universe when they were just trying to make good movies

I'm re-reading my novel for the last time before I send it to the copy editor with the same thought in mind as Rick Rubin. There are so many beautiful Easter eggs that I put in here that just detail a lifetime of watching movies & TV & listening to music

"HI there" (Mission Impossible)
"Tiny ineffectual fists" (Grey's Anatomy)
"Last meal as a free man" (The Wood)
"Blue teardrops" (Sexual Healing)[did you know Marvin was talking about precum?]
There's a reference to Colors, although I don't say it verbatim, the "Walk down and fuck them all."

This is all for me. I hope people like it, but this is a diary entry. It's a wonderful story that happens to have fucking in it but it's not a fucking story. To me, paying homage to a lifetime of watching movies and TV and listening to music is a beautiful connection to the story.

Most people wouldn't get these references if I didn't Point them out. It's not like a used popular ones like, "Say what again".

I hope I never get to the point where I'm trying to please others with my writing

I am going to need some serious help from you guys on the self-publishing tip very soon

 

[HellBoy]

You ever watching a movie trailer, then start to get anxiety because it looks like your script idea?

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

25 pages and counting.

Great thread.

 

[playahaitian]

One huge difference between black people and white people is black people don't need to see themselves represented in order to enjoy entertainment and music or TV or movie form. I watch Friends and laugh my ass off and they might have had five black people on the entire show. And they are hijinks were funny

Many people watch Seinfeld, frazier, cheers, Full House, each of which had very few if any black people on the entire run of those series, yet black people can enjoy them just fine.

When white people don't see themselves represented, or if they don't see themselves in the character they immediately stop caring. It ceases to exist in their mind.

So many shows like Martin had the standalone white guy who didn't belong in order not to be an all black show

Who didn't watch Full House? It didn't matter that there weren't any black people on it, it was funny.

Tony Morrison spoke of the white gaze and many black writers feel pressure to add White characters to their work in order to make it more palatable for white people when they don't do the same. Toni Morrison spoke about that too.

Wow....

Well stated

 

[playahaitian]

You ever watching a movie trailer, then start to get anxiety because it looks like your script idea?

Post of the year nomination