A MAJOR production company just hit up one of my homies who has a pretty big horror story podcast. You nailed this point!
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A MAJOR production company just hit up one of my homies who has a pretty big horror story podcast. You nailed this point!
Tell your friends CONGRATULATIONS!!!
And please don't let these dudes on to the fact that I actually know what I'm talking about.
This shit is crazy. I'm making the final edits of the manuscript (on page 125 of 159) as suggested by the copy editor and this is what this bitch said:
This is increadibly uncomfortable to read. It stirs nausia, not arousal. All that comes to mind is how much pain she would be in and how badly she's getting literally harmed from this because of how long he is. Women who make this mistake often need surgery to try to repair some of the damage.
Get the fuck outta here. I've been fucking since I was 17, and I've been to lifestyle parties where a chick got DP'd. She wouldn't even let anyone in the room who wasn't 9" or bigger and her husband was filming the whole thing.
Black people fucks. All I was talking about is a guy pulling a chick's arms back like reigns on a horse while he fucks her doggystyle.
That ain't out of the norm, is it? Hell, other than the scissor, that's a signature move, especially for women who you can't pull their hair.
This White woman is on some shit.
Plus, it's goddamned fantasy. If I wanted to split the bitch in half like Lovecraft Country I'm gonna do it. I'm not, but I could.
Is the chick on some bullshit or does she have a point?
This is increadibly uncomfortable to read. It stirs nausia, not arousal. All that comes to mind is how much pain she would be in and how badly she's getting literally harmed from this because of how long he is. Women who make this mistake often need surgery to try to repair some of the damage.
Get the fuck outta here. I've been fucking since I was 17, and I've been to lifestyle parties where a chick got DP'd. She wouldn't even let anyone in the room who wasn't 9" or bigger and her husband was filming the whole thing.
Black people fucks. All I was talking about is a guy pulling a chick's arms back like reigns on a horse while he fucks her doggystyle.
That ain't out of the norm, is it? Hell, other than the scissor, that's a signature move, especially for women who you can't pull their hair.
This White woman is on some shit.
Plus, it's goddamned fantasy. If I wanted to split the bitch in half like Lovecraft Country I'm gonna do it. I'm not, but I could.
Is the chick on some bullshit or does she have a point?
This is totally true. I was thinking on some of my projects and my hero is a villain. I felt that for real.
Bruh, white women are gonna white women. She's gonna read anything you write through her lily-white lens. She's looking for someone to relate to and that's where big disconnects come during pitches and submissions. It's a good early lesson for you though since these are the ones who will be reading and judging your work. Maybe it's a bit different in publishing but I always thought the game was run by old white men. They may have the money but the gatekeepers (I've found) are late GenX and Millenial white women. When I pitched the fleshed-out developed version of my series it was always white women I had the most pushback with. I've had several YES's during pitches only to be deaded later by white women who either didn't get it or couldn't relate to it. JAWN, MY SERIES AINT WRITTEN FOR YOU! But that's the game.
Man. This is the whole truth. It was comments like this that fucked me up when I first got the manuscript back from the copy editor. She said it "wasn't pleasurable, but painful to read"
I didn't touch the manuscript for like 4 months because I felt so bad about it. It was @playahaitian who got me to get back on the horse, "take her spelling and grammar comments to Heart and fuck everything else."
That advice really helped.
When you pitch something or deliver a manuscript you think is pretty damn good and it's hacked to pieces, that can be deflating as fuck. In the moment, you don't think about the gatekeeper who may be reading it and giving you that negative feedback and what they're possible ulterior motives may be.
Playahaitian constantly reassures me on how good a writer I am, and I really appreciate it, because I need that support.
Learning how to deal with that negative analysis early in my writing career is important, because the other bullets I have in the clip are damned good, so by the time those are ready I should have a bulletproof suit like John Wick and understand the difference between constructive criticism and hating.
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Definitely gotta have a thick skin and realize it's no always about you or your art. There are mandates. And the industries are so volatile that people are afraid to take chances on something new. But everything is cyclical. Our time is coming.
This is dope. I'm just a few minutes into it, but one of the Russo Brothers said in order to write something good or make something good you have to ask yourself a question, "Is this a story you want to get out of bed every day to tell."
You can't do it because that's what you think the audience wants to see. You have to be emotionally connected to it in some way.
I can say that about all the projects I'm currently working on, I am emotionally connected to them. Two of them were short stories that came in first place and fourth place in an online contest.
Often, when I write short stories for an online contest (650 word max), I wrote it as if it is a snippet of a bigger piece even though there is no bigger piece. Every time someone reads one they ask "where's the rest?" The other was written for the contest we had here ok BGOL that I won.
The fact that I want to get out of bed every day and tell these stories means I got to get them from my head on to the paper and I can't wait to do that
No big shocker here. Liberal Hollywood is racist. Some of the quotes are wild, though. I wonder what went down in the writer's room for Watchmen with Lindeloff as the showrunner.
deadline.com
A new book by Maureen Ryan that seeks to expose “patterns of harassment and bias in Hollywood” takes aim at the writers room of Lost, where executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are accused of maintaining a culture of toxicity on the hit ABC drama.
In an excerpt from Burn It Down, Power, Complicity and A Call For Change in Hollywood (out June 6) in Vanity Fair, Ryan interviews several people from the long-running drama that aired from 2004 to 2010. Those who did speak on the record, including writer Monica Owusu-Breen, recalled an environment rife with bullying and inappropriate comments about race.
“All I wanted to do was write some really cool episodes of a cool show. That was an impossibility on that staff,” said Owusu-Breen, who worked on Lost’s third season. “There was no way to navigate that situation. Part of it was they really didn’t like their characters of color. When you have to go home and cry for an hour before you can see your kids because you have to excise all the stress you’ve been holding in, you’re not going to write anything good after that.”
When asked to respond to the allegations of bullying and racism, Lindelof told Ryan, “My level of fundamental inexperience as a manager and a boss, my role as someone who was supposed to model a climate of creative danger and risk-taking but provide safety and comfort inside of the creative process—I failed in that endeavor.”
Deadline also reached out to Lindelof, who declined further comment. Reps for Cuse did not respond.
Actor Harold Perrineau, who played Michael Dawson, told Ryan he was written off the show in season 2 after expressing concern about his character’s story arc. Perrineau was particularly upset at how Michael seemed not to care about the whereabouts of his son, Walt, after the boy was kidnapped by The Others in season 2.
“I can’t be another person who doesn’t care about missing Black boys, even in the context of fiction, right?” said Perrineau. “This is just furthering the narrative that nobody cares about Black boys, even Black fathers.”
The actor recognized it would be difficult bringing up the issue with Lindelof and Cuse.
“That was the thing that was always tricky. Any time you mention race, everybody gets—their hair gets on fire, and they’re like, ‘I’m not racist!’ ” Perrineau said in the book. “It’s like, ‘Nope. Because I say that I’m Black doesn’t mean I’m calling you a racist. I am talking to you from my perspective. I’m being really clear that I’m not trying to put my trauma on you, but I am trying to talk to you about what I feel. So can we just do that? Can we just have that conversation?’”
Multiple sources told Ryan that when Perrineau’s Lost departure came up, Lindelof said the actor “called me racist, so I fired his ass.”
“Everyone laughed” when Lindelof said that, Owusu-Breen recalled to Ryan. “There was so much shit, and so much racist shit, and then laughter. It was ugly. I was like, ‘I don’t know if they’re perceiving this as a joke or if they mean it.’ But it wasn’t funny. Saying that was horrible.” She began leaving the room when she couldn’t take it anymore: “I’m like, once you’re done talking shit about people of color, I’ll come back.”
When asked about the incident involving Perrineau, Lindelof said, “What can I say? Other than it breaks my heart that that was Harold’s experience.” He did not recall “ever” saying those words about Perrineau. “And I’ll just cede that the events that you’re describing happened 17 years ago, and I don’t know why anybody would make that up about me.”
Owusu-Breen also recalled how she and her writing partner were tasked with killing off Mr. Eko, who was played by Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje. The actor wanted to leave the show and was ultimately killed by the Smoke Monster in season 3 — though Cuse had allegedly wished out loud for a different ending.
“Carlton said something to the effect of, ‘I want to hang him from the highest tree. God, if we could only cut his dick off and shove it down his throat,’” Owusu-Breen recalled. “At which point I said, ‘You may want to temper the lynching imagery, lest you offend.’ And I was very clearly angry.”
Cuse responded to Ryan by saying “I never, ever made that statement above, and this exchange never happened. To further add to this lie and suggest that someone was fired as a result of a statement that I never made is completely false,” adding that the implication is “completely outrageous.”
You can find the excerpt to the book here.
Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse Accused Of Fostering Toxic Environment On ‘Lost’ Set In New Book
A new book by Maureen Ryan that seeks to expose “patterns of harassment and bias in Hollywood” takes aim at the writers room of Lost, where executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlto…
deadline.com
A new book by Maureen Ryan that seeks to expose “patterns of harassment and bias in Hollywood” takes aim at the writers room of Lost, where executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are accused of maintaining a culture of toxicity on the hit ABC drama.
In an excerpt from Burn It Down, Power, Complicity and A Call For Change in Hollywood (out June 6) in Vanity Fair, Ryan interviews several people from the long-running drama that aired from 2004 to 2010. Those who did speak on the record, including writer Monica Owusu-Breen, recalled an environment rife with bullying and inappropriate comments about race.
“All I wanted to do was write some really cool episodes of a cool show. That was an impossibility on that staff,” said Owusu-Breen, who worked on Lost’s third season. “There was no way to navigate that situation. Part of it was they really didn’t like their characters of color. When you have to go home and cry for an hour before you can see your kids because you have to excise all the stress you’ve been holding in, you’re not going to write anything good after that.”
When asked to respond to the allegations of bullying and racism, Lindelof told Ryan, “My level of fundamental inexperience as a manager and a boss, my role as someone who was supposed to model a climate of creative danger and risk-taking but provide safety and comfort inside of the creative process—I failed in that endeavor.”
Deadline also reached out to Lindelof, who declined further comment. Reps for Cuse did not respond.
Actor Harold Perrineau, who played Michael Dawson, told Ryan he was written off the show in season 2 after expressing concern about his character’s story arc. Perrineau was particularly upset at how Michael seemed not to care about the whereabouts of his son, Walt, after the boy was kidnapped by The Others in season 2.
“I can’t be another person who doesn’t care about missing Black boys, even in the context of fiction, right?” said Perrineau. “This is just furthering the narrative that nobody cares about Black boys, even Black fathers.”
The actor recognized it would be difficult bringing up the issue with Lindelof and Cuse.
“That was the thing that was always tricky. Any time you mention race, everybody gets—their hair gets on fire, and they’re like, ‘I’m not racist!’ ” Perrineau said in the book. “It’s like, ‘Nope. Because I say that I’m Black doesn’t mean I’m calling you a racist. I am talking to you from my perspective. I’m being really clear that I’m not trying to put my trauma on you, but I am trying to talk to you about what I feel. So can we just do that? Can we just have that conversation?’”
Multiple sources told Ryan that when Perrineau’s Lost departure came up, Lindelof said the actor “called me racist, so I fired his ass.”
“Everyone laughed” when Lindelof said that, Owusu-Breen recalled to Ryan. “There was so much shit, and so much racist shit, and then laughter. It was ugly. I was like, ‘I don’t know if they’re perceiving this as a joke or if they mean it.’ But it wasn’t funny. Saying that was horrible.” She began leaving the room when she couldn’t take it anymore: “I’m like, once you’re done talking shit about people of color, I’ll come back.”
When asked about the incident involving Perrineau, Lindelof said, “What can I say? Other than it breaks my heart that that was Harold’s experience.” He did not recall “ever” saying those words about Perrineau. “And I’ll just cede that the events that you’re describing happened 17 years ago, and I don’t know why anybody would make that up about me.”
Owusu-Breen also recalled how she and her writing partner were tasked with killing off Mr. Eko, who was played by Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje. The actor wanted to leave the show and was ultimately killed by the Smoke Monster in season 3 — though Cuse had allegedly wished out loud for a different ending.
“Carlton said something to the effect of, ‘I want to hang him from the highest tree. God, if we could only cut his dick off and shove it down his throat,’” Owusu-Breen recalled. “At which point I said, ‘You may want to temper the lynching imagery, lest you offend.’ And I was very clearly angry.”
Cuse responded to Ryan by saying “I never, ever made that statement above, and this exchange never happened. To further add to this lie and suggest that someone was fired as a result of a statement that I never made is completely false,” adding that the implication is “completely outrageous.”
You can find the excerpt to the book here.
In the beginning I was bothered by some of the comments made by the copy editor, now it's a bit funny.
I wrote, "she hurried to keep the glistening blue teardrop from falling off the tip of his member."
She proceeded to tell me that precum is clear, but anyone with any sense knows the "blue teardrop" is a reference or an homage to the great Marvin Gaye song Sexual Healing.
I'm definitely going elsewhere for my copy editor next time, but this was a learning experience
I wrote, "she hurried to keep the glistening blue teardrop from falling off the tip of his member."
She proceeded to tell me that precum is clear, but anyone with any sense knows the "blue teardrop" is a reference or an homage to the great Marvin Gaye song Sexual Healing.
I'm definitely going elsewhere for my copy editor next time, but this was a learning experience
Man listen. Her words are so profound. I doubt myself all the time and @playahaitian and others have talked me off of the quit cliff by encouraging me.
I can't thank y'all enough. Viola Davis is an amazing woman
this bitch should have double doubted her choices when she chose how to portray
Ms. Obama
this bitch should have double doubted her choices when she chose how to portray
Ms. Obama
Still got an icebox where your heart used to be huh?
Look at this shit!
THIS is the real fight. Money can be negotiated. The industry does NOT wanna give up this option. Hopefully, SAG doesn't buck and leave the WGA out there on their own.