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Shit nuts.. I listen to wallstreet trapper and late 2022 and early 2023 he mentioned on how many companies was gonna have to have help from others in order to survive and here is another drug chain having difficulties!!


Exclusive-CVS explores options including potential break-up, sources say

NEW YORK (Reuters) -CVS Health is exploring options that could include a break-up of the company to separate its retail and insurance units, as the struggling healthcare services company looks to turn around its fortunes amid pressure from investors, people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

CVS has been discussing various options - including how such a split would work - with its financial advisers in recent weeks, the sources said, requesting anonymity as the discussions are confidential
The plan to potentially split the company's pharmacy chain and the insurance business has been discussed with the board of directors, which is yet to decide on the best course of action for CVS to pursue, the sources said, cautioning that the plans have not been finalized and CVS may opt for a different strategy.

CVS is also discussing whether its pharmacy benefits manager unit, which manages drug benefits for health plans, should be housed within the retail unit or under insurance, if it were to proceed with a separation that could result in two publicly traded companies, the sources said.

Such a move would effectively unwind CVS's landmark $70 billion takeover of healthcare insurer Aetna in 2017 and come as CVS attempts to navigate one of the most challenging periods in its six-decade history


 

Madrox

Vaya Con Dio
BGOL Investor
You're the 1st person I've heard who don't like them.
I went a loooong time ago and tried the boneless wings but they fucked 'em up. Looked like they just squirted sauce on them instead of them thangs being wet-wet. Could've just gotten a disgruntled worker that day, but I didn't try them again for years.

Now we have one by my job so I tried them again a few weeks back and it was pretty good. Not the greatest, but def better than I remembered. And the fries were pretty good with that seasoning.

WS isn't near the top of my go-to list either though.
 

moblack

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
I went a loooong time ago and tried the boneless wings but they fucked 'em up. Looked like they just squirted sauce on them instead of them thangs being wet-wet. Could've just gotten a disgruntled worker that day, but I didn't try them again for years.

Now we have one by my job so I tried them again a few weeks back and it was pretty good. Not the greatest, but def better than I remembered. And the fries were pretty good with that seasoning.

WS isn't near the top of my go-to list either though.

You went to a wing place and purchased chicken nuggets. No wonder you weren't happy with what you ordered. There is no such thing as a boneless wing!
 

DC_Dude

Rising Star
BGOL Investor

  1. The Currency
  2. Life
  3. The average 401(k) balance by age

The average 401(k) balance by age​

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ByPaul Deer, CFP®

09.16.2024
One of the most common investment vehicles that Americans use to save for retirement is a 401(k).
To help you maximize your retirement dollars, the 401(k) is an employer-sponsored plan that allows you to save for retirement in a tax-sheltered way. In 2024, you can contribute up to $23,000, up from $22,500 in 2023.
If your employer offers a 401(k) and you are not utilizing it, you may be leaving money on the table — especially if your employer matches your contributions.
The 401(k) is one of the top retirement saving options for many people. Empower data shows that the majority of Americans contribute to a retirement plan (70%), though contributions vary by generation: Only 47% of Gen Zers say they save in a retirement plan, such as a 401(k) or 403 (b), compared to 75% of Millennials and 76% of Gen Xers.
How much do people actually have saved in their 401(k) plans? And how does this stack up against what they could have saved if they were maxing out their 401(k) every year?

The average 401(k) balance by age​

Take a look at this chart showing the estimated average 401(k) balance by age.
AgeAverage 401(k)Median 401(k)
20s$83,804$32,624
30s$180,164$76,154
40s$376,836$161,325
50s$594,948$257,824
60s$571,324$208,301
70s$427,762$104,105
80s$391,914$85,202

Anonymized data from Empower Personal DashboardTM as of September 1, 2024.
These figures include 401(k) balance data from people who use Empower’s online financial dashboard and may include balances from both current and former employer-sponsored plans. Investors who use online financial tools tend to be particularly engaged in saving for retirement and other financial best practices; a recent Empower study shows 40% of adults agree that getting clarity on their financial picture is key to achieving financial success.

Average 401(k) balance for 20s – $83,804; median – $32,624​

When you’re in your 20s, if you’ve paid down any high-interest debt, try to save as much as you can into your 401(k) and other retirement accounts. The earlier you start, the better. As you can see from the potential savings chart below, compounding earnings is no joke.

Average 401(k) balance for 30s – $180,164; median $76,154​

Your 30s can be a good time to aggressively pay down any non-mortgage debt. If you still have high-interest debt, you may be earning 8% in your retirement account, but may be paying 20% or more in credit card interest.

Average 401(k) balance for 40s – $376,836; median $161,325​

If you haven’t already started to max out your 401(k) by this age, then you may want to start thinking about what changes you can make to get as close as possible to that $23,000 per-year contribution. You don’t want to lose out on years of potential compounding growth.

Average 401(k) balance for 50s – $594,948; median $257,824​

When you hit your 50s, you become eligible to make larger contributions toward your retirement accounts. These are called catch-up contributions. Consider taking advantage of them. Catch-up contributions are $7,500 in 2023 and 2024. So if you contribute the annual limit of $23,000 plus your catch-up contribution of $7,500, that’s a total of $30,500 tax-advantaged dollars you could be saving towards your retirement.1

Average 401(k) balance for 60s – $571,324; median – $208,301​

By your early 60s, you should have a better idea of what retirement could look like for you and what it really means for you to be “retired.” Do you want to keep working as long as you can? Would you like to slow down? What are your Social Security benefits and when is the optimal age to start taking them? Are you eligible for spousal or survivor benefits?

Average 401(k) balance for 70s – $427,762; median – $104,105​

The average age to retire is 65 for men and 63 for women, so it’s not surprising to see the average and median 401(k) balance figures start to decline in people's 70s. Once you reach age 65, there are still several considerations for your retirement, even if you are no longer working and accumulating wealth. Some of these include making decisions about Medicare, creating a plan around withdrawing money from your retirement accounts, and evaluating any additional insurance needs.

401(k) savings potential by age​

The following chart depicts 401(k) savings potential by age, based on several assumptions. This is how much you could have saved to help you replace your income in retirement. These numbers may seem high to many people, especially if you are older and started your retirement savings when the contribution limit was much lower. It can still be used as a guide for your target total retirement savings amounts, including your IRA, Roth IRA and after-tax savings. While it’s designed for one person, it can also be used as a guide for a married couple if one spouse decides to no longer work.
The assumptions for this chart include:
  • The numbers are more forward-looking vs. backward, since 401(k) contribution limits were lower in the past. (For instance, in 2022, the 401(k) contribution limits rose $1,000 from 2021.)
  • You start full-time employment at age 22 at a company that provides a 401(k), without a company match.
  • You contribute $8,000 to your 401(k) after the first year; then from the second year onward, you contribute $20,500.
  • The “no growth” column shows what you could potentially have in your 401(k) after so many years of a constant $20,500 per-year contribution and no growth.
  • The “8% growth”* column shows what you could potentially have in your 401(k) after so many years of a constant $20,500 per year contribution (ignoring catch-up contributions for those over age 50) compounded over the next 43 years.
  • The difference between the two columns emphasizes the power of growth, compounding over time. By starting early and enjoying historically average returns, at age 65, an individual could turn $869,000 of contributions into over $6.4 million.
AgeYears workedNo growth8% growth
220$0$0
231$8,000.00$8,000.00
242$28,500.00$29,140.00
253$49,000.00$51,971.20
308$151,500.00$196,628.06
3513$254,000.00$409,176.45
4018$356,500.00$721,479.77
4523$459,000.00$1,180,355.80
5028$561,500.00$1,854,595.24
5533$664,000.00$2,845,274.18
6038$766,500.00$4,300,906.56
6543$869,000.00$6,439,708.00
*FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY. This hypothetical illustration does not reflect a particular investment and is not a guarantee of future results. It assumes an 8% annual rate of return, reinvestment of earnings and no withdrawals. Rates of return may vary. The illustration does not reflect fees, which could change the outcomes provided.

Breaking it down: Where do you fit in?​

There are many reasons think this chart may seem totally unreasonable. That’s understandable. Life presents us all with different challenges. We have unexpected medical expenses, decide to go back to school, or have kids and want to pay their college tuitions. These are all perfectly valid reasons as to why you might be falling behind where this chart says you could be.
If you are on the younger end of the ages shown on the chart, you may be daunted at the prospect of contributing $8,000 per year to your 401(k), not to mention more than $20,000. Where you live, what your first-year salary is, or what loans you may be paying can make it difficult for this contribution to seem realistic. It’s crucial, however, to recognize the importance of saving as much as you can for retirement as early as you can.
To illustrate why retirement saving should be a top priority in your monthly budget, think about the implications of this chart for when you are 65 years old. You no longer want to save, and are about to retire. The question then becomes: "Do I have enough saved to retire comfortably?"
So, let’s determine, based on the two scenarios in the potential savings chart, whether these figures would be sufficient to support your lifestyle for the rest of your retirement.
The average life expectancy for men is around 84 years old, and 86.5 years old for women.2
Let’s say you are retiring at age 65. If you take the numbers at the low and high end of the chart, then divide by 22 (the approximate number of years you might expect to live if you retire at 65), you get $39,500 on the low end, to a whopping $292,714 on the high end, to spend annually for the rest of your life.
If you add maximum Social Security benefits ($59,520 assuming you retire at full retirement age in 2024), you may increase your income to $99,020 to $352,234 per year.3
Yes, $99K may seem like quite a bit of money, but remember, inflation can throw a wrench into this by making your money less valuable in the future.

5 steps to take now to help improve your retirement readiness​

While the average 401(k) balance for people in their 50s at pre-retirement age is around $558,740, that balance still falls far below even the “no growth” column of the savings potential chart for the same age. And while $550K is no chump change, it’s also probably not enough to retire comfortably for most people.
Needless to say, many people are falling way below their savings potential. But the good news is it’s not too late to turn things around.

1. Save early, often and aggressively.​

Yes, saving is hard. It’s hard when you are young and not making a large salary, and it’s hard when you’re older and big life expenses get in the way. However, the biggest threat to your retirement is inaction. Even if it’s uncomfortable to max out your 401(k), do it if you can. If you get a salary raise, consider putting 50% of it toward savings if you’re able. The earlier you can save, the better off you may be, and you may even surprise yourself with how much you are able to put away. Compounding can do wonders when there is a positive annual return, as you can see from the high end of the potential savings chart, so the earlier you can save more, the farther your money may go.

2. Don’t rely only on Social Security.​

With half of Americans (51%) planning to retire at 65 or younger, it’s crucial to save in other investment vehicles, such as a 401(k), in order to maintain your desired lifestyle in retirement.
According to the United States Social Security Administration, Social Security is on track to be depleted by 2034, at which point a portion of the benefits will be paid from ongoing tax revenue. Don’t rely solely on Social Security; it may not fully be there when you retire.4

3. Have a realistic understanding of when you want to retire.​

Having clearly defined personal goals will help you determine how much you should have saved. Your savings objectives will be different if you plan to retire at 50 than if you plan to continue working past 70.
Additionally, it’s important to determine as accurately as you can what your cost of living will be in retirement. How much do you need to spend per year to maintain the lifestyle that you want for the rest of your life? Have a good sense of what your costs will be so you can factor that into your overall retirement strategy. Really evaluate how long you want to continue working, and what retirement age is realistic for you based on your income and your current level of savings.

4. Develop other sources of income.​

Think about other ways you can secure sources of income in retirement outside of collecting Social Security and withdrawing from your 401(k). This will not only prevent you from having all your retirement eggs in one basket, but it is also something to consider if your 401(k) balance is lower than you’d like. Where can you invest and how can you optimize your portfolio for potentially greater returns? Consider other ways you can supplement your retirement income, and speak to your financial advisor about what solutions could work for you.

5. Leverage all the resources at your disposal.​

There are many tools available to help you understand your financial life in more detail. Not leveraging them can result in a huge blind spot when it comes to your finances. Simply having this information will help you understand if you are on the right track, and how to help accelerate your progress on your retirement goals. If working with a financial professional is an option for you, this can be an invaluable resource, especially as you get closer to retirement.
A financial professional who has your best interest in mind can help you strategize and address potential gaps in your savings and retirement income plans.

The bottom line​

Having a good understanding of where you are spending and saving, and having a holistic sense of your lifestyle costs, is crucial to your overall retirement planning objectives. The point of this savings potential chart is not to discourage you if you do not fall somewhere in the defined 401(k) balance range; it is more to show you what is possible.
Yes, consider maxing out your 401(k) if that's right for you. Beyond that, try to save in other ways as well. Even if you don’t think that’s possible for you, striving towards these goals and contributing as much as possible may get you closer to your targets than if you were to contribute very little or nothing at all.
 

Madrox

Vaya Con Dio
BGOL Investor

  1. The Currency
  2. Life
  3. The average 401(k) balance by age

The average 401(k) balance by age​

FacebookXLinkedInPrintEmail

ByPaul Deer, CFP®

09.16.2024
One of the most common investment vehicles that Americans use to save for retirement is a 401(k).
To help you maximize your retirement dollars, the 401(k) is an employer-sponsored plan that allows you to save for retirement in a tax-sheltered way. In 2024, you can contribute up to $23,000, up from $22,500 in 2023.
If your employer offers a 401(k) and you are not utilizing it, you may be leaving money on the table — especially if your employer matches your contributions.
The 401(k) is one of the top retirement saving options for many people. Empower data shows that the majority of Americans contribute to a retirement plan (70%), though contributions vary by generation: Only 47% of Gen Zers say they save in a retirement plan, such as a 401(k) or 403 (b), compared to 75% of Millennials and 76% of Gen Xers.
How much do people actually have saved in their 401(k) plans? And how does this stack up against what they could have saved if they were maxing out their 401(k) every year?

The average 401(k) balance by age​

Take a look at this chart showing the estimated average 401(k) balance by age.
AgeAverage 401(k)Median 401(k)
20s$83,804$32,624
30s$180,164$76,154
40s$376,836$161,325
50s$594,948$257,824
60s$571,324$208,301
70s$427,762$104,105
80s$391,914$85,202

Anonymized data from Empower Personal DashboardTM as of September 1, 2024.
These figures include 401(k) balance data from people who use Empower’s online financial dashboard and may include balances from both current and former employer-sponsored plans. Investors who use online financial tools tend to be particularly engaged in saving for retirement and other financial best practices; a recent Empower study shows 40% of adults agree that getting clarity on their financial picture is key to achieving financial success.

Average 401(k) balance for 20s – $83,804; median – $32,624​

When you’re in your 20s, if you’ve paid down any high-interest debt, try to save as much as you can into your 401(k) and other retirement accounts. The earlier you start, the better. As you can see from the potential savings chart below, compounding earnings is no joke.

Average 401(k) balance for 30s – $180,164; median $76,154​

Your 30s can be a good time to aggressively pay down any non-mortgage debt. If you still have high-interest debt, you may be earning 8% in your retirement account, but may be paying 20% or more in credit card interest.

Average 401(k) balance for 40s – $376,836; median $161,325​

If you haven’t already started to max out your 401(k) by this age, then you may want to start thinking about what changes you can make to get as close as possible to that $23,000 per-year contribution. You don’t want to lose out on years of potential compounding growth.

Average 401(k) balance for 50s – $594,948; median $257,824​

When you hit your 50s, you become eligible to make larger contributions toward your retirement accounts. These are called catch-up contributions. Consider taking advantage of them. Catch-up contributions are $7,500 in 2023 and 2024. So if you contribute the annual limit of $23,000 plus your catch-up contribution of $7,500, that’s a total of $30,500 tax-advantaged dollars you could be saving towards your retirement.1

Average 401(k) balance for 60s – $571,324; median – $208,301​

By your early 60s, you should have a better idea of what retirement could look like for you and what it really means for you to be “retired.” Do you want to keep working as long as you can? Would you like to slow down? What are your Social Security benefits and when is the optimal age to start taking them? Are you eligible for spousal or survivor benefits?

Average 401(k) balance for 70s – $427,762; median – $104,105​

The average age to retire is 65 for men and 63 for women, so it’s not surprising to see the average and median 401(k) balance figures start to decline in people's 70s. Once you reach age 65, there are still several considerations for your retirement, even if you are no longer working and accumulating wealth. Some of these include making decisions about Medicare, creating a plan around withdrawing money from your retirement accounts, and evaluating any additional insurance needs.

401(k) savings potential by age​

The following chart depicts 401(k) savings potential by age, based on several assumptions. This is how much you could have saved to help you replace your income in retirement. These numbers may seem high to many people, especially if you are older and started your retirement savings when the contribution limit was much lower. It can still be used as a guide for your target total retirement savings amounts, including your IRA, Roth IRA and after-tax savings. While it’s designed for one person, it can also be used as a guide for a married couple if one spouse decides to no longer work.
The assumptions for this chart include:
  • The numbers are more forward-looking vs. backward, since 401(k) contribution limits were lower in the past. (For instance, in 2022, the 401(k) contribution limits rose $1,000 from 2021.)
  • You start full-time employment at age 22 at a company that provides a 401(k), without a company match.
  • You contribute $8,000 to your 401(k) after the first year; then from the second year onward, you contribute $20,500.
  • The “no growth” column shows what you could potentially have in your 401(k) after so many years of a constant $20,500 per-year contribution and no growth.
  • The “8% growth”* column shows what you could potentially have in your 401(k) after so many years of a constant $20,500 per year contribution (ignoring catch-up contributions for those over age 50) compounded over the next 43 years.
  • The difference between the two columns emphasizes the power of growth, compounding over time. By starting early and enjoying historically average returns, at age 65, an individual could turn $869,000 of contributions into over $6.4 million.
AgeYears workedNo growth8% growth
220$0$0
231$8,000.00$8,000.00
242$28,500.00$29,140.00
253$49,000.00$51,971.20
308$151,500.00$196,628.06
3513$254,000.00$409,176.45
4018$356,500.00$721,479.77
4523$459,000.00$1,180,355.80
5028$561,500.00$1,854,595.24
5533$664,000.00$2,845,274.18
6038$766,500.00$4,300,906.56
6543$869,000.00$6,439,708.00
*FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY. This hypothetical illustration does not reflect a particular investment and is not a guarantee of future results. It assumes an 8% annual rate of return, reinvestment of earnings and no withdrawals. Rates of return may vary. The illustration does not reflect fees, which could change the outcomes provided.

Breaking it down: Where do you fit in?​

There are many reasons think this chart may seem totally unreasonable. That’s understandable. Life presents us all with different challenges. We have unexpected medical expenses, decide to go back to school, or have kids and want to pay their college tuitions. These are all perfectly valid reasons as to why you might be falling behind where this chart says you could be.
If you are on the younger end of the ages shown on the chart, you may be daunted at the prospect of contributing $8,000 per year to your 401(k), not to mention more than $20,000. Where you live, what your first-year salary is, or what loans you may be paying can make it difficult for this contribution to seem realistic. It’s crucial, however, to recognize the importance of saving as much as you can for retirement as early as you can.
To illustrate why retirement saving should be a top priority in your monthly budget, think about the implications of this chart for when you are 65 years old. You no longer want to save, and are about to retire. The question then becomes: "Do I have enough saved to retire comfortably?"
So, let’s determine, based on the two scenarios in the potential savings chart, whether these figures would be sufficient to support your lifestyle for the rest of your retirement.
The average life expectancy for men is around 84 years old, and 86.5 years old for women.2
Let’s say you are retiring at age 65. If you take the numbers at the low and high end of the chart, then divide by 22 (the approximate number of years you might expect to live if you retire at 65), you get $39,500 on the low end, to a whopping $292,714 on the high end, to spend annually for the rest of your life.
If you add maximum Social Security benefits ($59,520 assuming you retire at full retirement age in 2024), you may increase your income to $99,020 to $352,234 per year.3
Yes, $99K may seem like quite a bit of money, but remember, inflation can throw a wrench into this by making your money less valuable in the future.

5 steps to take now to help improve your retirement readiness​

While the average 401(k) balance for people in their 50s at pre-retirement age is around $558,740, that balance still falls far below even the “no growth” column of the savings potential chart for the same age. And while $550K is no chump change, it’s also probably not enough to retire comfortably for most people.
Needless to say, many people are falling way below their savings potential. But the good news is it’s not too late to turn things around.

1. Save early, often and aggressively.​

Yes, saving is hard. It’s hard when you are young and not making a large salary, and it’s hard when you’re older and big life expenses get in the way. However, the biggest threat to your retirement is inaction. Even if it’s uncomfortable to max out your 401(k), do it if you can. If you get a salary raise, consider putting 50% of it toward savings if you’re able. The earlier you can save, the better off you may be, and you may even surprise yourself with how much you are able to put away. Compounding can do wonders when there is a positive annual return, as you can see from the high end of the potential savings chart, so the earlier you can save more, the farther your money may go.

2. Don’t rely only on Social Security.​

With half of Americans (51%) planning to retire at 65 or younger, it’s crucial to save in other investment vehicles, such as a 401(k), in order to maintain your desired lifestyle in retirement.
According to the United States Social Security Administration, Social Security is on track to be depleted by 2034, at which point a portion of the benefits will be paid from ongoing tax revenue. Don’t rely solely on Social Security; it may not fully be there when you retire.4

3. Have a realistic understanding of when you want to retire.​

Having clearly defined personal goals will help you determine how much you should have saved. Your savings objectives will be different if you plan to retire at 50 than if you plan to continue working past 70.
Additionally, it’s important to determine as accurately as you can what your cost of living will be in retirement. How much do you need to spend per year to maintain the lifestyle that you want for the rest of your life? Have a good sense of what your costs will be so you can factor that into your overall retirement strategy. Really evaluate how long you want to continue working, and what retirement age is realistic for you based on your income and your current level of savings.

4. Develop other sources of income.​

Think about other ways you can secure sources of income in retirement outside of collecting Social Security and withdrawing from your 401(k). This will not only prevent you from having all your retirement eggs in one basket, but it is also something to consider if your 401(k) balance is lower than you’d like. Where can you invest and how can you optimize your portfolio for potentially greater returns? Consider other ways you can supplement your retirement income, and speak to your financial advisor about what solutions could work for you.

5. Leverage all the resources at your disposal.​

There are many tools available to help you understand your financial life in more detail. Not leveraging them can result in a huge blind spot when it comes to your finances. Simply having this information will help you understand if you are on the right track, and how to help accelerate your progress on your retirement goals. If working with a financial professional is an option for you, this can be an invaluable resource, especially as you get closer to retirement.
A financial professional who has your best interest in mind can help you strategize and address potential gaps in your savings and retirement income plans.

The bottom line​

Having a good understanding of where you are spending and saving, and having a holistic sense of your lifestyle costs, is crucial to your overall retirement planning objectives. The point of this savings potential chart is not to discourage you if you do not fall somewhere in the defined 401(k) balance range; it is more to show you what is possible.
Yes, consider maxing out your 401(k) if that's right for you. Beyond that, try to save in other ways as well. Even if you don’t think that’s possible for you, striving towards these goals and contributing as much as possible may get you closer to your targets than if you were to contribute very little or nothing at all.
I'm way behind: late 40's, above the median but considerably below the average... Just gonna keep my head down and do what I can mayne.

I know a lot of folks get so turned off by the stats that they don't contribute naan.
 

Madrox

Vaya Con Dio
BGOL Investor


Word. it's always tough looking back like this. But really makes me want to target + find out what the next really good companies are going to be.

I don't mind being patient for 5-10-15 years and going in slow and steady. This hits home when you consider the value in investing in the best companies.
 

RoomService

Dinner is now being served.
BGOL Investor
Is anyone making a play on Spirit Airlines? There are rumors that they might be about to file for bankruptcy.

Spirit Airlines shares plunge on report of potential bankruptcy filing​


 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

Rising Star
Platinum Member
Word. it's always tough looking back like this. But really makes me want to target + find out what the next really good companies are going to be.

I don't mind being patient for 5-10-15 years and going in slow and steady. This hits home when you consider the value in investing in the best companies.
I sold Tesla at $100 because it didn’t make sense to me and you know what happened to the stock during Covid. No regrets. None! The truth is Shay’s financial guy stinks.
 

rph2005

Rising Star
OG Investor
Word. it's always tough looking back like this. But really makes me want to target + find out what the next really good companies are going to be.

I don't mind being patient for 5-10-15 years and going in slow and steady. This hits home when you consider the value in investing in the best companies.
going in slow and steady is the way to go. dollar cost averaging will make you money as opposed to going in all at once.
 

rph2005

Rising Star
OG Investor
Shit nuts.. I listen to wallstreet trapper and late 2022 and early 2023 he mentioned on how many companies was gonna have to have help from others in order to survive and here is another drug chain having difficulties!!


Exclusive-CVS explores options including potential break-up, sources say

NEW YORK (Reuters) -CVS Health is exploring options that could include a break-up of the company to separate its retail and insurance units, as the struggling healthcare services company looks to turn around its fortunes amid pressure from investors, people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

CVS has been discussing various options - including how such a split would work - with its financial advisers in recent weeks, the sources said, requesting anonymity as the discussions are confidential
The plan to potentially split the company's pharmacy chain and the insurance business has been discussed with the board of directors, which is yet to decide on the best course of action for CVS to pursue, the sources said, cautioning that the plans have not been finalized and CVS may opt for a different strategy.

CVS is also discussing whether its pharmacy benefits manager unit, which manages drug benefits for health plans, should be housed within the retail unit or under insurance, if it were to proceed with a separation that could result in two publicly traded companies, the sources said.

Such a move would effectively unwind CVS's landmark $70 billion takeover of healthcare insurer Aetna in 2017 and come as CVS attempts to navigate one of the most challenging periods in its six-decade history


cvs has the smartest management team of all the pharmacies. it's the reason why they are number 1 in the pharmacy game. i have worked for them and i now work for walgreens. i can see why walgreens stock is in the shitter now and why cvs isn't. this move they're about to make will make them stronger. they did the whole pbm thing, made a killing, but now since everyone realizes that the pbms ain't shit and that boss lady at the ftc has set both her barrels on them, they scrambling to clean house. it's a good move if you ask me. it'll help them mitigate the risks ...u know, the whole not having all your eggs in one basket etc
 

Madrox

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going in slow and steady is the way to go. dollar cost averaging will make you money as opposed to going in all at once.
Yea that's what I do. Out of necessity, but thankfully that's how I prefer it. Feel like it keeps me out of trouble on the low.
 

Madrox

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BGOL Investor
cvs has the smartest management team of all the pharmacies. it's the reason why they are number 1 in the pharmacy game. i have worked for them and i now work for walgreens. i can see why walgreens stock is in the shitter now and why cvs isn't. this move they're about to make will make them stronger. they did the whole pbm thing, made a killing, but now since everyone realizes that the pbms ain't shit and that boss lady at the ftc has set both her barrels on them, they scrambling to clean house. it's a good move if you ask me. it'll help them mitigate the risks ...u know, the whole not having all your eggs in one basket etc

Hope you're right, I'm a long CVS investor. But I admit it's because I really like the company. I'm always in my local CVS and it STAYS busy. Like a mini Walmart, ppl in my area go there for everything. 24/7. I like buying what I know. Plus it's been cheap (P/E is 11 atm).
 

Ceenote

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cvs has the smartest management team of all the pharmacies. it's the reason why they are number 1 in the pharmacy game. i have worked for them and i now work for walgreens. i can see why walgreens stock is in the shitter now and why cvs isn't. this move they're about to make will make them stronger. they did the whole pbm thing, made a killing, but now since everyone realizes that the pbms ain't shit and that boss lady at the ftc has set both her barrels on them, they scrambling to clean house. it's a good move if you ask me. it'll help them mitigate the risks ...u know, the whole not having all your eggs in one basket etc



Kinda cool to be able to work for both of them and see how they run so differently! And also able to see why they are both in the positions they are in!! Especially walgreens! If I have to think it.. Walgreens lost to a certain extent 15 years ago... they never figured out they were a dollar store on steroids! Now everyone I'd eating their lunch unfortunately!! I hope they can get themselves out this misfortune!!
 

Ceenote

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Platinum Member
Is anyone making a play on Spirit Airlines? There are rumors that they might be about to file for bankruptcy.

Spirit Airlines shares plunge on report of potential bankruptcy filing​



I wonder did big investors have a hand in paying the judge to block the merger they wanted to do! so they could get the company pennies on the dollar
 

Helico-pterFunk

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