Are Black Voters Leaving Democrats Behind?

[Big Tex]

See...this is the reason why you don't understand what I'm saying, I can't do the reading for you, also. If you don't know then you'll never know.

No, you're acting on a number of assumptions from misinformation you have gotten on the net.

If Biden's goal was the elimination of all Palestinians, that could be done in an hour. Max a couple days.


But the US is not at war in Gaza. Israel is. Do you know what the Israel's GDP is? Do you know what their military budget is? Do you know how much the US send them in military aid? Is that amount enough to force Israel to stop doing something they want to do?

You ASSUME it is. Based on your own biases and information sourses.

For examples, people keep saying there are 16,000 people killed in Gaza. Where did that number come from? Do you believe it because Hamas said it? Where are all the graves? I mean 16,000 bodies in that small strip of land, you should be able to easily see the mass graves via sattelite.

I don't believe a word Israel says about that war. I don't believe a word the IDF says about that war. And I don't believe a ward Hamas says about that way. I also am not there and I would never present my opinions as facts.

But you have multiple times claimed Biden is committing genocide or supporting it. When no one knows what the fuck is going on over there - definitely not enough to decide that your thoughts on it matter so much that you don't care if Trump takes the presidency.

EDIT:

Just looked it up, Israel spends 23 billion a year on defense spending and the US gives them 3 billion a year in military aid. So do you think that's enough to force Israel to do what they are told?

 

[Drayonis]

If the Republicans win, what's yall's strategy for them?

None.

 

[World B Free]

No, you're acting on a number of assumptions from misinformation you have gotten on the net.

If Biden's goal was the elimination of all Palestinians, that could be done in an hour. Max a couple days.


But the US is not at war in Gaza. Israel is. Do you know what the Israel's GDP is? Do you know what their military budget is? Do you know how much the US send them in military aid? Is that amount enough to force Israel to stop doing something they want to do?

You ASSUME it is. Based on your own biases and information sourses.

For examples, people keep saying there are 16,000 people killed in Gaza. Where did that number come from? Do you believe it because Hamas said it? Where are all the graves? I mean 16,000 bodies in that small strip of land, you should be able to easily see the mass graves via sattelite.

I don't believe a word Israel says about that war. I don't believe a word the IDF says about that war. And I don't believe a ward Hamas says about that way. I also am not there and I would never present my opinions as facts.

But you have multiple times claimed Biden is committing genocide or supporting it. When no one knows what the fuck is going on over there - definitely not enough to decide that your thoughts on it matter so much that you don't care if Trump takes the presidency.

The USA supports Israel and supports the genocide of Palestinians, it's as simple of that. & over 20k Palestinians have been murdered by Israel, update your numbers. & you saying "where are graves?" makes no sense! It's a genocide, people are dying all over the place, there is not time for the dead to have spacious grave yards with each one having a grave stone. SMDH.

Do you know that over 700 Palestinians have been murdered by Israel in the past 24 hours since the ending of "the pause," did you know that? Like I said, you have not been reading: your facts are wrong so you have come to wrong conclusions.

 

[Big Tex]

The USA supports Israel and supports the genocide of Palestinians, it's as simple of that. & over 20k Palestinians have been murdered by Israel, update your numbers. & you saying "where are graves?" makes no sense! It's a genocide, people are dying all over the place, there is not time for the dead to have spacious grave yards with each one having a grave stone. SMDH.

Do you know that over 700 Palestinians have been murdered by Israel in the past 24 hours since the ending of "the pause," did you know that? Like I said, you have not been reading: your facts are wrong so you have come to wrong conclusions.

Where....

did you get...

those...

numbers???


I never said they would have individual graves. Do you know how large a mass grave site would have to be to hold 1000 dead bodies? Now say there are 20 of them (your numbers) - Where they at, Slay?

I don't get my information off Tiktok homie.

 

[Goingmark40]

yeah, yeah, yeah. every election cycle black people get this bulls eye to be influenced for their vote by republicans. saying they leaving to vote for trump and republican party is a insult, slap to the face and disrespecting our intelligence. they wanna be a republican fine? but giving that vote to trump is just bad. we all know what he stands for, what both parties stand for and what our interests are but we have to think bigger than our needs. our people, our country, our world, our climate, our culture wars. and best believe when it comes to these issues it's not easy and can't be fixed in short periods of time and usually by the time we see progress its time to vote again lol. it takes months to build a house , seconds to hours to demolish it. thats trump and his party. rather watch it burn than spread the wealth.

 

[World B Free]

Where....

did you get...

those...

numbers???


I never said they would have individual graves. Do you know how large a mass grave site would have to be to hold 1000 dead bodies? Now say there are 20 of them (your numbers) - Where they at, Slay?

I don't get my information off Tiktok homie.

Yup, you support genocide...& I'm not here to educate you about what Israel is doing now to the Palestinians which is at over 20k murdered and rising with 700 Palestinians murdered in the last 24 hours. I noticed 700 people in the last 24 hours murdered didn't move you so if you don't feel Palestinians are human then nothing I'll say will move you. If you're incurious and emotionless then there is nothing I can do for you.

 

[Big Tex]

Yup, you support genocide...& I'm not here to educate you about what Israel is doing now to the Palestinians which is at over 20k murdered and rising with 700 Palestinians murdered in the last 24 hours. I noticed 700 people in the last 24 hours murdered didn't move you so if you don't feel Palestinians are human then nothing I'll say will move you. If you're incurious and emotionless then there is nothing I can do for you.

All I'm asking is for a reputable source on your numbers. I'm not going to take your word for it.

Hell, I could say 1 million Black people were killed yesterday. You just going to take my word for it?

I'm curious to know where you get your numbers.

If you're incurious whether the numbers you're spouting are true or not, if you don't care to make sure you're not following misinformation, then you probably shouldn't judge others who don't run with numbers you throw out.

It should be easy to show where your numbers come from.

 

[World B Free]

All I'm asking is for a reputable source on your numbers. I'm not going to take your word for it.

Hell, I could say 1 millions Black people were killed yesterday. You just going to take my word for it?

I'm curious to know where you get your numbers.

If you're incurious whether the numbers you're spouting are true or not, if you don't care to make sure you're not following misinformation, then you probably shouldn't judge others who don't run with numbers you throw out.

It should be easy to show where your numbers come from.

Tell this little girl about your thoughts:

 

[Drayonis]

If your brain can only comprehend your idea of a "protest vote" then think what you want.

Because by all means that's what the definition is. You "used to vote Dem" now your disillusioned about the whole process (by both parties), so you'll vote for a 3rd party (which won't win anything to make your point)...by definition that's a protest vote. It's all good bro. Do you...

 

[cashwhisperer]

Are you saying regression is preferable to holding the line just to see some type of movement regardless of the direction?

No, absolutely not. I'm voting to hold the dam. I'm just saying that all our vote is doing for us IS holding the dam.

 

[Drayonis]

If the Republicans win, what's yall's strategy for them?

None. Laugh and say "see? We told ya'll-give us what we want or suffer the consequences"....meanwhile....Republicans change the laws to make it next to impossible for anybody to vote.

 

[Big Tex]

Tell this little girl about your thoughts:

That's one tragic death. Now show the other 19,999.

In order to claim 20,000 dead, you need 20,000 bodies. Because you can't claim someone is dead without a body. Where did these 20,000 bodies go?

Why won't you just show the sources for your numbers?

Here is a satellite image of a mass grave in Ukraine. Why can't we see these 20000 in mass graves in Gaza?

 

[World B Free]

Because by all means that's what the definition is. You "used to vote Dem" now your disillusioned about the whole process (by both parties), so you'll vote for a 3rd party (which won't win anything to make your point)...by definition that's a protest vote. It's all good bro. Do you...

Again, if that what your brain thinks, that's on you, bruh. I'm not protesting anything.

 

[World B Free]

That's one tragic death. Now show the other 19,999.

In order to claim 20,000 dead, you need 20,000 bodies. Because you can't claim someone is dead without a body. Where did these 20,000 bodies go?

Why won't you just show the sources for your numbers?

Do you feel anything for that little girl that was murdered Israel, huh? Now, you want me to walk you through the other deaths in their genocide so you can, what? What's the point, if you feel nothing for that little girl then you'll feel nothing for that 700 murdered in the last 24 and you'll feel nothing for the over 20k killed. These are not humans to you, to you it's just a statistical game; a heartless statistical game: I see you.

 

[Big Tex]

Do you feel anything for that little girl that was murdered Israel, huh? Now, you want me to walk you through the other deaths in their genocide so you can, what? What's the point, if you feel nothing for that little girl then you'll feel nothing for that 700 murdered in the last 24 and you'll feel nothing for the over 20k killed. These are not humans to you, to you it's just a statistical game; a heartless statistical game: I see you.

It's tragic. It's sad. It never should have happened. She should never have been robbed of her future.

But emotions don't create or change numbers.

You keep throwing out these 700 and 20,000 numbers but have a single shred of proof whether they are true or not. You're just reflexively acting on them.

So when Israel releases numbers do you take them as fact, or do you require proof?

 

[World B Free]

It's tragic. It's sad. It never should have happened. She should never have been robbed of her future.

But emotions don't create or change numbers.

You keep throwing out these 700 and 20,000 numbers but have a single shred of proof whether they are true or not. You're just reflexively acting on them.

So when Israel releases numbers do you take them as fact, or do you require proof?

What are you talking about? You are a genocide-denier and if you had the ability to research it yourself and read then you'd see what I'm talking about, but you really don't to know because you support Israel's genocide: you're putting your proverbial head in the sand.

Here are some more numbers:
(so since November 24, the number of Palestinians murders by Israel have increased.)

 

[roblo]

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This is false. He changed he way deportations were counted to fluff up the numbers.

High deportation figures are misleading

Immigrants living illegally beyond the border area are less likely to be deported under 'deporter in chief' President Obama, contrary to widespread belief.

www.latimes.com

"But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.


On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now."

 

[Camille]

All I'm asking is for a reputable source on your numbers. I'm not going to take your word for it.

Hell, I could say 1 millions Black people were killed yesterday. You just going to take my word for it?

I'm curious to know where you get your numbers.

If you're incurious whether the numbers you're spouting are true or not, if you don't care to make sure you're not following misinformation, then you probably shouldn't judge others who don't run with numbers you throw out.

It should be easy to show where your numbers come from.

Yeah, I don't trust Israel but I don't know what to believe either. Doctors from outside the region have said they worked for months at the hospitals and there were no underground Hamas tunnels, but after the bombing I saw video of people going through the tunnels and pointing out the underground network. Then there was also reporting that came out yesterday that Israel knew of Hamas attack plans over a year ago.

You also have to realize some of the rhetoric on the GOP side and in churches. There is scripture that says

"The nation is like a mighty lion;
When it is sleeping, no one dares wake it.
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.”

For all the anti Semitism on the far right and complaints about Jewish run media, that philosophy is still guiding a lot of people. They are willing to stand with Israel, right or wrong, because of blessings scripture says we will receive. If you'll recall the new speaker wanted to fund Isreal but not Ukraine. I remember segments from years ago from religious tv shows of pastors making the argument that our country's fate is entwined with theirs and using the fact that USA is in Jerusalem as "proof". That was 20+ years ago, so white evangelicals have been being fed this for decades. So some of the folks in congress aren't making decisions simply because of facts on the ground, there is a religious component many outside of church circles aren't aware of that also influences their decisions.

 

[Big Tex]

What are you talking about? You are a genocide-denier and if you had the ability to research it yourself and read then you'd see what I'm talking about, but you really don't to know because you support Israel's genocide: you're putting your proverbial head in the sand.

Here are some more numbers:
(so since November 24, the number of Palestinians murders by Israel have increased.)

So your proof is a graphic? Where did these people get their numbers from? Where are the graves and bodies?

Here, check this out. I'll tell you where the numbers come from.

How the dead are counted in Gaza

The BBC has been looking in detail at how the casualty figures are totalled.

www.bbc.com

"The Hamas-run health ministry is Gaza's official source for death numbers."



So basically, you are taking Hamas' word for how many people are killed. Without any proof other than their word.

 

[Big Tex]

Yeah, I don't trust Israel but I don't know what to believe either. Doctors from outside the region have said they worked for months at the hospitals and there were no underground Hamas tunnels, but after the bombing I saw video of people going through the tunnels and pointing out the underground network. Then there was also reporting that came out yesterday that Israel knew of Hamas attack plans over a year ago.

You also have to realize some of the rhetoric on the GOP side and in churches. There is scripture that says

"The nation is like a mighty lion;
When it is sleeping, no one dares wake it.
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.”

For all the anti Semitism on the far right and complaints about Jewish run media, that philosophy is still guiding a lot of people. They are willing to stand with Israel, right or wrong, because of blessings scripture says we will receive. If you'll recall the new speaker wanted to fund Isreal but not Ukraine. I remember segments from years ago from religious tv shows of pastors making the argument that our country's fate is entwined with theirs and using the fact that USA is in Jerusalem as "proof". That was 20+ years ago, so white evangelicals have been being fed this for decades. So some of the folks in congress aren't making decisions simply because of facts on the ground, there is a religious component many outside of church circles aren't aware of that also influences their decisions.

No one in this country should believe any numbers from either side coming from that situation enough to allow this country to be ruined over it. We don't know shit about what's really happening.

 

[World B Free]

So your proof is a graphic? Where did these people get their numbers from? Where are the graves and bodies?

Here, check this out. I'll tell you where the numbers come from.

How the dead are counted in Gaza

The BBC has been looking in detail at how the casualty figures are totalled.

www.bbc.com

"The Hamas-run health ministry is Gaza's official source for death numbers."



So basically, you are taking Hamas' word for how many people are killed. Without any proof other than their word.

& the BBC is pro-Israel so try again. smdh. They love Israel talking points.

 

[roblo]

Yeah, exactly what I'm saying. Vote to hold the dam blocking the racist red river.

Being realistic vs not expecting much are the same thing to me, no matter how you dress it up.

But an effect of voting to hold the dam is that a section of us are getting impatient and are so desperate for power that we will join the Republicans since we can't defeat them.... because our situation is just that unbearable. Also, others are trying to force the Democrats to step up their efforts by threatening to not vote for them.

Truth is, white folks could solve our problems in 15 minutes if they wanted. They just don't want to, so this pattern of limbo we're in will continue indefinitely.

This is the ultimate loser mentality and totally encompasses the democrat voter mindset. Somebody else is responsible for your success or failure.

 

[Big Tex]

& the BBC is pro-Israel so try again. smdh. They love Israel talking points.

So "fake news?" LMAO.

You've gone full MAGA and I'm done with this convo. Good day.

 

[cashwhisperer]

This is the ultimate loser mentality and totally encompasses the democrat voter mindset. Somebody else is responsible for your success or failure.

....How so?

And while you're at it, can you answer this question???

With this current structure in place, which has been in place for generations now, what pathway would we have to take to finally get true 1st class citizenship and reparations?

 

[World B Free]

So "fake news?" LMAO.

You've gone full MAGA and I'm done with this convo. Good day.

I see you have to resort to name-calling.
Anyway, again, these are the numbers (as of November 24); I'm not playing games like you. These are real deaths/real murders by Israel. Bless those who died in Israeli's genocidal feeding frenzy, may they rest in peace.

 

[Big Tex]

I see you have to resort to name-calling.
Anyway, again, these are the numbers; I'm not playing games like you. These are real deaths/real murders by Israel. Bless those who died in Israeli's genocidal feeding frenzy, may they rest in peace.

Those are the numbers as reported by Hamas. You trust Hamas completely. I don't. So there's nothing to talk about further.

 

[World B Free]

Those are the numbers as reported by Hamas. You trust Hamas completely. I don't. So there's nothing to talk about further.

You're been exposed yourself as Pro-Genocide and Pro-Israeli so what you say has have no credibility to me. Have a good day.

 

[cashwhisperer]

If the Republicans win, what's yall's strategy for them?

Thing about it, things are trending blue in current elections.....

 

[Big Tex]

You're been exposed yourself as Pro-Genocide and Pro-Israeli so what you say has have no credibility to me. Have a good day.

Point out ONCE where I said I was pro genocide or pro israeli.

Just because someone doesn't agree with your numbers doesn't make someone either. Who made you the arbiter of who is pro genocide or not?

I mean you are acting EXACTLY like Maga and you are too radicalized to even see it.

 

[World B Free]

Point out ONCE where I said I was pro genocide or pro israeli.

Just because someone doesn't agree with your numbers doesn't make someone either. Who made you the arbiter of who is pro genocide or not?

I mean you are acting EXACTLY like Maga and you are too radicalized to even see it.

This is exactly why I didn't want to begin this back and forth with you, because you're incurious and you don't want to read: you believe every mainstream media talking-point and you use those talking points to deny the genocide of the Palestinians. That's why this back and forth isn't worth my time, if you don't want to learn and do your own research and all you do is to vomit Israeli talking points then I can't help you.

Again, have good day.

 

[Walter Panov]

I watched the rest and knew all of that, and I still maintain what I'm saying.

I vote Democrat, I would never vote for Trump.

But every time I look at the voting situation, I see the SAME PATTERN

"We have 2 choices:

1. Go back to Jim Crow or worse, chains
2. Live as a 2nd class citizen and keep waiting it out."

And I'm asking the BIG QUESTION, which again I ask:

• With this structure in place, which has been in place for generations now, what pathway would we have to take to finally get true 1st class citizenship and reparations?

I bet this was the underbelly of the question Kanye was asking, which was why he went crazy on Sway.

We are STUCK. And we are tired of being stuck. And Kanye was saying 400 years sounded like a choice, which it was. Our ancestors chose to wait it out. Some chose to violently revolt, but the vast majority didn't, and we FINALLY got SOME freedom, but we were not made whole. So here we are waiting it out, and I believe some Black people are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome while others are saying if we can't beat them join them. We're trying to rationalize living among racists. And maybe be first in line for a House nigga position if we ever end up back in chains.

If you leave a bunch of rats in a cage they will turn violent on each other, shit and piss and there will be a messy situation. Similarly a lot of us are in that same messy situation and we need relief from this confinement.


White people have either intentionally or unintentionally created an art form out of perpetually throwing Black people under the bus.

I have the answers, but most black people are not willing to do it for their own stupid and/ or selfish reasons. Plus the fact that leaders who have been successful in the past at instituting some change get killed.

 

[Big Tex]

This is exactly why I didn't want to begin this back and forth with you, because you're incurious and you don't want to read: you believe every mainstream media talking-point and you use those talking points to deny the genocide of the Palestinians. That's why this back and forth isn't worth my time, if you don't want to learn and do your own research and all you do is to vomit Israeli talking points then I can't help you.

Again, have good day.

I'M THE ONE THAT'S INCURIOUS AND DOESN'T WANT TO READ??

I'm the one in this back and forth that presented Israel's defense budget, the amount of military aid the US provides, satellite images of mass grave in Ukraine, and the source of death numbers from Gaza.

You provided a meme.

I did my own research. and presented it. You're the one just vomiting Tiktok talking points. You're the one that dismisses any data that doesn't agree with you. And you're the one that hasn't read anything except what you are presented inside your pro hamas bubble.

By the way, I've read all the shit you have. I don't believe Hamas, just like I don't believe the IDF. I am actually curious and trying hard not to be biased on either side. Can you say the same?

 

[Walter Panov]

You sound like a Republican bro!
Have you been in the handcheck thread!?

I have to admit, your new avatar is funny af.

 

[lazarus]

If the Republicans win, what's yall's strategy for them?

im not doing this again. look up previous post where i answered this countless times. just say you suck white dem dick and be done with it

 

[lazarus]

Local elections are one thing. When it comes to the presidential election, if the person you are voting for isn't on the ballot in all 50 states OR with a movement large and organized enough for a write in campaign, then you are basically just voting for a spoiler that doesn't actually have a chance of winning. Who it is meant to siphon votes from is determined by who the spoiler is meant to appeal to.

It may feel good to cast your vote a certain way, just like it did for folks around here in 2016. It led to the end of Roe, AA, inmates ability to get a retrial if new evidence of their innocence is revealed and emboldened racists across the board who want to ban our history, but at least Hillary wasnt in office, right? Generally the vote will come down to the dem or the GOP candidate. So call it what you want, but essentially your vote is helping one or the other get elected.

It used to didn't matter when both parties were sane. We'd be able to survive whomever was in power. But with these WS and Christian nationalists who are on record for their agenda and actively working to make it come to pass, imo that is no longer the case.

https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

If the link above isn't click able cut and paste to dl the pdf.

If by genocide you are referring to Israel and Palestine, Trump has already said they should flatten Palestine and ban any immigrants from Gaza. If you are referring to countries in Africa, we already know Trump calls those shithole countries and wanted to ban immigrants from there also. So the only chance of anyone getting aid from the US is if Trump loses and regardless of what is going on in the rest of the world, you and those you care about are affected here FIRST.

I respect your right to follow your conscience, I'm just asking you to consider all angles because it's not as black and white as it used to be.

1. talk about trump, other party, what you do if you dont follow orders
2. use overexaggerated fear tactics.

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