BABYFACE verzuz TEDDY RILEY (2020)

mangobob79

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OK... I'll accept and agree with that.

…. but even though Babyface had more chart hits than Teddy, without a doubt Teddy's production during the new jack swing era and beyond has more impact and influence in musical history.
as someone reminded me "Teddy created a whole genre of r&b" even tho im a babyface stan for life
 

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OK... I'll accept and agree with that.

…. but even though Babyface had more chart hits than Teddy, without a doubt Teddy's production during the new jack swing era and beyond has more impact and influence in musical history.

Depends on the genre. That's why this was a bad match up IMO
Although they compete in SOME areas, Babyface mostly made music for a different crowd.
He did the first two albums for Toni Braxton and a LOT of stuff for Whitney in the 90's.
Teddy was mostly in the Hip Hop scene and when he took on MJ it wasn't that great IMO
 

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Teddy was pathetic... how does your phone run out of battery power on a night like this. Didn't he know before the start of the event? The phone should have been plugged into power the whole time if the cable was just next door.

Why did he keep getting up and leaving the room? U have a battle for 1 hour, U prepare and sit your ass down for 1 hour. Especially when U have multiple techies supporting U. We did not see any techies behind Babyface if there were any...

All his songs were about hard hitting grooves. It gets monotonous after 10 songs. Babyface even though the majority of his catalogue is softer, has more variety... he could also play his guitar and just sing and that flies...

For me, Babyface wiped the floor with Teddy. I havent heard any new material from Teddy in a while. I was disappointed with that live set he did with Blackstreet a few weeks ago. Their clothing and presentation was atrocious. 40-50 year olds with grey beards, dressed like teens. They seem caught in a time warp and have not been able to mature. Babyface in contrast presents himself with smooth style and class. As a legend he had his act together. Teddy and his crew were just disappointing yet again.
 

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Try messaging IG and tell them you have a great thing that could heal the world and help everyone and see if they dont ask you what price would you like to advertise that. They would charge Teddy Riley himself for an ad right now.

Dawg, everything is for profit. You just not the one making it. So saying its not is a good excuse for not being able to make your own platform to make the same profit IG just made off this Verzuz.

But did Teddy create this battle thing? How can you charge for something you didn't create when the creators of it don't want to charge?

Those involved don't have to charge the people to get paid.
 

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Teddy was pathetic... how does your phone run out of battery power on a night like this. Didn't he know before the start of the event? The phone should have been plugged into power the whole time if the cable was just next door.

Why did he keep getting up and leaving the room? U have a battle for 1 hour, U prepare and sit your ass down for 1 hour. Especially when U have multiple techies supporting U. We did not see any techies behind Babyface if there were any...

All his songs were about hard hitting grooves. It gets monotonous after 10 songs. Babyface even though the majority of his catalogue is softer, has more variety... he could also play his guitar and just sing and that flies...

For me, Babyface wiped the floor with Teddy. I havent heard any new material from Teddy in a while. I was disappointed with that live set he did with Blackstreet a few weeks ago. Their clothing and presentation was atrocious. 40-50 year olds with grey beards, dressed like teens. They seem caught in a time warp and have not been able to mature. Babyface in contrast presents himself with smooth style and class. As a legend he had his act together. Teddy and his crew were just disappointing yet again.
Why take sides? Why do we always have to take a side instead of just enjoying two greats taking the time to put on a show
 

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Teddy was pathetic... how does your phone run out of battery power on a night like this. Didn't he know before the start of the event? The phone should have been plugged into power the whole time if the cable was just next door.

Why did he keep getting up and leaving the room? U have a battle for 1 hour, U prepare and sit your ass down for 1 hour. Especially when U have multiple techies supporting U. We did not see any techies behind Babyface if there were any...

All his songs were about hard hitting grooves. It gets monotonous after 10 songs. Babyface even though the majority of his catalogue is softer, has more variety... he could also play his guitar and just sing and that flies...

For me, Babyface wiped the floor with Teddy. I havent heard any new material from Teddy in a while. I was disappointed with that live set he did with Blackstreet a few weeks ago. Their clothing and presentation was atrocious. 40-50 year olds with grey beards, dressed like teens. They seem caught in a time warp and have not been able to mature. Babyface in contrast presents himself with smooth style and class. As a legend he had his act together. Teddy and his crew were just disappointing yet again.
I didnt like all the technical difficulties and I think Babyface ultimately won but your take is kinda harsh for what was a free show
 

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I didnt like all the technical difficulties and I think Babyface ultimately won but your take is kinda harsh for what was a free show
This is what I have been trying to get across to folks. Its a free fucking show that you didn't have to leave your home for. So why are so many people taking this so personally? There's something else behind the personal anger.
It's funny how the angry people are the Babyface fans because I have yet to see anyone being disrespectful towards Babyface.
 

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This is what I have been trying to get across to folks. Its a free fucking show that you didn't have to leave your home for. So why are so many people taking this so personally? There's something else behind the personal anger.
It's funny how the angry people are the Babyface fans because I have yet to see anyone being disrespectful towards Babyface.
Teddy was annoying with all the issues but dude calling Teddy pathetic just crossed the line for me Boss...this isn't a serious thing, just some fun shit
 
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Depends on the genre. That's why this was a bad match up IMO
Although they compete in SOME areas, Babyface mostly made music for a different crowd.
He did the first two albums for Toni Braxton and a LOT of stuff for Whitney in the 90's.
Teddy was mostly in the Hip Hop scene and when he took on MJ it wasn't that great IMO
True it wasnt quite an equal matchup.
 

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Face didn't go into his TLC and Whitney bag... He left most of his Boyz II Men tracks on the table as well. Didn't touch his Madonna Joint either.
Im just talking the ace. Whitney tlc?. Tlc maybe. But teddy got Janet jackson. Black street. Bobby brown swv Whitney Mary j bilge Kurt Franklin. He never got to those either. Remember it ended at 10 songs.
 
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It's all in music fun, fam. Let's not lose sight of that. We were entertained FOR FREE by two of OUR greatest producers/ game changers. Their grammys prove they already won so they did what few do, they gave back, WE are the winners.

TEDDY RILEY IS A FUCKING GENIUS.
BABYFACE IS A FUCKING SENSEI GENIUS.

BOTH ARE JEWELS.
 

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I ain't mad at Teddy man. It wasn't too much either. He invested in his presentation of his art and tried to give us a great show. My time is valuable so I appreciate the gesture ...and it was for the greater good.

Shit happens. Try again
 
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If you were to be put on an isolated island but you were given the chance to chose between having Babyface or Teddy Riley's catalog. Which would you chose?
 

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Babyface needs to be pitched against producers more in his class like Jam and Lewis...
Now that's a battle..but I really don't see nobody fucking with Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis. Their list is long as hell.. even if you didn't even include Janet Jackson catalog. We talking songs with the Time, Sounds of Blackness, shit even that White group from UK human league the classic " im only human. They wrote that too. Shit LET THEM MUTHAFUCKA'S DROP TENDER LOVE BY FORCE MD'S. IT'S A WRAP GAME OVA - let's not forget JIMMY JAM AND TERRY LEWIS CAN HIT THEM WITH ..new edition's CAN YOU STAND THE RAIN...
Niggaaaaaaa! Too many knock out hits
 
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Now that's a battle..but I really don't see nobody fucking with Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis. Their list is long as hell.. even if you didn't even include Janet Jackson catalog. We talking songs with the Time, Sounds of Blackness, shit even that White group from UK human league the classic " im only human. They wrote that too
The Time was produced by Prince.
 

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Bro Mortis Day said it.
Brotha I'm one of the biggest Prince fans we All know he wrote for the time. But .jimmy jam and terry wrote some songs also..which lead to prince firing them. Think bout it..why prince fired them? Interviews with jimmy and terry said prince fired them. So they said well we're free agents lets write for other people. They had some success..thats when prince got them back. Member prince was a control freak
 

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Now that's a battle..but I really don't see nobody fucking with Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis. Their list is long as hell.. even if you didn't even include Janet Jackson catalog. We talking songs with the Time, Sounds of Blackness, shit even that White group from UK human league the classic " im only human. They wrote that too. Shit LET THEM MUTHAFUCKA'S DROP TENDER LOVE BY FORCE MD'S. IT'S A WRAP GAME OVA - let's not forget JIMMY JAM AND TERRY LEWIS CAN HIT THEM WITH ..new edition's CAN YOU STAND THE RAIN...
Niggaaaaaaa! Too many knock out hits
The S.O.S. Band...Weekend Love, Tell me you still care
Cherelle and Alexander O'Neil joints...
New Edition, Johnny Gill, Ralph, Usher, Boys2Men...on and on and on.

I'm a big fan..
 

footloose

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Babyface needs to be pitched against producers more in his class like Jam and Lewis...
True. But I think his stature precedes his actual work. I thought teddy was gonna get washed just off the name. Till they started playing. But I will say. Baby face got a lot more game then teddy cause he kept rope a doping that Nicca
 

footloose

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If you were to be put on an isolated island but you were given the chance to chose between having Babyface or Teddy Riley's catalog. Which would you chose?
Teddy. Especcccccciallllly if they put me there isolated(without a chick)
Plus baby has very classy music but it all has one tempo and one mood. Go to bed.
 

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Y'all gotta understand. You can't throw up live streaming to this many users on any old server. Ig is on Facebook cdn one of the best in the world. And to stream to half a Milly users with chat is expensive bandwidth. Amazon aws or MS Azure may compare. And bandwidth costs for only one live stream for only 5 k viewers can run over $700 per hour. Likely double up for two concurrent streams. This is before hiring developers who could charge 200/hr to set up, develop, test and monitor.
That's if you want smooth streams somewhat like ig or FB live.

There isn't much ad revenue available if any that can cover those costs.

That being said...I wouldn't be surprised if ig/Facebook loses money on hosting this many viewers. Thus the hour limit.

True, but I dont think it would be the same amount of people. Regardless it would be alot. They should have partnered with someone like BET. Took a lil time and had it be the superbowl of song battles with the platform they point people to be a place they collect emails.

But did Teddy create this battle thing? How can you charge for something you didn't create when the creators of it don't want to charge?

Those involved don't have to charge the people to get paid.

No of course not. People charge for things they didnt create everyday king, i dont understand that point. I do agree that those involved dont have to charge to get paid. Which is why I dont fully agree with charging people. I think just doing it on your own platform is the way to go.
 
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