Baseball.........Anybody still interested?

[jawnswoop]

No. Its stupid still because 1, he clogs the basepath. It's still wise to have speed at the top of the lineup. You can manufacture more runs with speed. Puts more pressure on the defense and the pitcher. That will never change. 2, you have Turner and Stott. They should be 1 and 2. PERIOD!!!! With Harper hitting 3rd. For a man to have 47home runs with 104 RBI's is absolutely attrocious. Dude should be in the 130 range, and would be with Turner, Stott and Harper hitting in front of him. 3, he has Bohm or Reamulto for protection in the lineup after him. You wouldn't wanna fool around with Schwarber if he was hitting clean up with Turner, Harper or Stott on base because Bohm or J.T. can hurt you. You can argue he would get better pitches to hit in those scenarios rather than just no one on base.


@jawnswoop

I agree.....Makes sense usually rob makes it predictable and it backfires, speed kills and good hitters should always be up at the top and then work your rotations from there on down.

I like your lineup which makes more sense.

 

[jack walsh13]

I agree.....Makes sense usually rob makes it predictable and it backfires, speed kills and good hitters should always be up at the top and then work your rotations from there on down.

I like your lineup which makes more sense.

Right. The muthafucka is thoniking too much and letting computers dictate what happens or what should happen. Fuck what everyone else is doing. You utilize everyone the right way doing it the way I mapped it out.

 

[jawnswoop]

Right. The muthafucka is thoniking too much and letting computers dictate what happens or what should happen. Fuck what everyone else is doing. You utilize everyone the right way doing it the way I mapped it out.

I hate that analytics bullshit, i mean they should make their rotations that's best for the team to give them the best chance to win.

 

[jack walsh13]

I hate that analytics bullshit, i mean they should make their rotations that's best for the team to give them the best chance to win.

Agreed. And bullpen games are the absolute fuckin worst. Worst case gat a sixth starter who can go 5 ininings

 

[jawnswoop]

Agreed. And bullpen games are the absolute fuckin worst. Worst case gat a sixth starter who can go 5 ininings

No wonder wheeler had to pitch again after almost pitching the whole 9th inning the previous game because the bullpen was so fucking bad.

 

[jack walsh13]

No wonder wheeler had to pitch again after almost pitching the whole 9th inning the previous game because the bullpen was so fucking bad.

Pretty much. No way should have had a rookie in there

 

[d-weezy]

No. Its stupid still because 1, he clogs the basepath. It's still wise to have speed at the top of the lineup. You can manufacture more runs with speed. Puts more pressure on the defense and the pitcher. That will never change. 2, you have Turner and Stott. They should be 1 and 2. PERIOD!!!! With Harper hitting 3rd. For a man to have 47home runs with 104 RBI's is absolutely attrocious. Dude should be in the 130 range, and would be with Turner, Stott and Harper hitting in front of him. 3, he has Bohm or Reamulto for protection in the lineup after him. You wouldn't wanna fool around with Schwarber if he was hitting clean up with Turner, Harper or Stott on base because Bohm or J.T. can hurt you. You can argue he would get better pitches to hit in those scenarios rather than just no one on base.


@jawnswoop

Kyle has the second highest OBP on the team and if you account for the difference in at bats, he was right there in the number of times on base. Granted they both had 30 stolen bases and without really digging into the numbers, let's say 25 of those where first to second, so yes they put themselves in scoring position around 25 more times, but then you'd have to bring up how many solo hr each player hit cause Kyle hit 20 more than both of them. What good is speed if it's walking back to the bench over the course of 162 games? Plus, if you put him lower in the order, teams would just pitch around the person in front of him.

 

[jack walsh13]

Kyle has the second highest OBP on the team and if you account for the difference in at bats, he was right there in the number of times on base. Granted they both had 30 stolen bases and without really digging into the numbers, let's say 25 of those where first to second, so yes they put themselves in scoring position around 25 more times, but then you'd have to bring up how many solo hr each player hit cause Kyle hit 20 more than both of them. What good is speed if it's walking back to the bench over the course of 162 games? Plus, if you put him lower in the order, teams would just pitch around the person in front of him.

What you posted is just what managers do. Overthink things. They are not going to pitch around Schwarber with Turner on second because Bohm and J.T. can hurt you. Plus, if it's a righty on the mound, Castellanos and Marsh are there to think about. He'd get better pitches to hit because you don't want to walk him to get to those guys with runners on base. That makes more sense. I don't care how the game is played now. Some things aren't better for the sake of today. Some things are just stupid because there is no feel to the game anymore. Just muthafuckas sitting at a computer tellig them what the best percentages are

 

[d-weezy]

What you posted is just what managers do. Overthink things. They are not going to pitch around Schwarber with Turner on second because Bohm and J.T. can hurt you. Plus, if it's a righty on the mound, Castellanos and Marsh are there to think about. He'd get better pitches to hit because you don't want to walk him to get to those guys with runners on base. That makes more sense. I don't care how the game is played now. Some things aren't better for the sake of today. Some things are just stupid because there is no feel to the game anymore. Just muthafuckas sitting at a computer tellig them what the best percentages are

The entire league has shifted to feast or famine for both hitters and pitchers. There were only 9 players that hit over .300 but 26 that hit over 30 HRs and only 5 pitchers that went over 200 innings. For instance, Marcus Semien had the 4th most hits last season but had a lower OBP than Kyle who was second in the league in walks. The Phillies were in the 12-15 ranges for teams RISP so it doesn't matter who was on base, they were average regardless.

It's not analytics, it's just the summation of the reality of modern baseball. Strikeouts and HRs, speed hasn't matter in the game since Ricky retired. That's why they increased the size of the bags (It's not for safety cause the bag is still the bag and you can turn an ankle just the same as with the old ones.) Get to the starter early with your best hitters and get to the bullpen by the 5th inning. No team is leaving possible HR at bats with 1 or 2 less at bats.

Putting Kyle farther down in the lineup wouldn't really matter cause over the course of a season his outs are around the same as everyone else in that lineup, but his are more strike outs (which is the safer out than a ball put in play cause Alec Bohm lead the team in GIDP last season. 1 out from an at bat > 2 outs from an at bat.

 

[jack walsh13]

The entire league has shifted to feast or famine for both hitters and pitchers. There were only 9 players that hit over .300 but 26 that hit over 30 HRs and only 5 pitchers that went over 200 innings. For instance, Marcus Semien had the 4th most hits last season but had a lower OBP than Kyle who was second in the league in walks. The Phillies were in the 12-15 ranges for teams RISP so it doesn't matter who was on base, they were average regardless.

It's not analytics, it's just the summation of the reality of modern baseball. Strikeouts and HRs, speed hasn't matter in the game since Ricky retired. That's why they increased the size of the bags (It's not for safety cause the bag is still the bag and you can turn an ankle just the same as with the old ones.) Get to the starter early with your best hitters and get to the bullpen by the 5th inning. No team is leaving possible HR at bats with 1 or 2 less at bats.

Putting Kyle farther down in the lineup wouldn't really matter cause over the course of a season his outs are around the same as everyone else in that lineup, but his are more strike outs (which is the safer out than a ball put in play cause Alec Bohm lead the team in GIDP last season. 1 out from an at bat > 2 outs from an at bat.

There's no way you telling me Kyle hittin 4th wouldn't produce more RBI's for him with more chances with runners on base? Speed matters still. If your a smart manager who doesn't give in to what everyone else is doing you can realize that. It's not like your sacrificing everything with Turner leading off anyways. Remember him getting on base opens up the hole on the right side as well for Schwarber. Managers get fired (Gabe Kapler) for being computer nerds instead of having baseball intellegence.

 

[d-weezy]

There's no way you telling me Kyle hittin 4th wouldn't produce more RBI's for him with more chances with runners on base? Speed matters still. If your a smart manager who doesn't give in to what everyone else is doing you can realize that. It's not like your sacrificing everything with Turner leading off anyways. Remember him getting on base opens up the hole on the right side as well for Schwarber. Managers get fired (Gabe Kapler) for being computer nerds instead of having baseball intellegence.

1. Kyle had the 3rd best OBP on the team ahead of Bohm. Speed don't work sitting down.
2. Bohm recorded more double plays than Kyle did in 109 more at bats. So now Bryce or Trea is getting out at second more or should they both run 25+ more times to make up when Alec hit into a DP?
3. Kyle scored 6 more runs than Trea with 55 less hits and 30 less stolen bases over a 29 at bat difference.

This isn't analytics, this is still counting numbers of the reality of what the Phillies have done.

 

[jack walsh13]

1. Kyle had the 3rd best OBP on the team ahead of Bohm. Speed don't work sitting down.
2. Bohm recorded more double plays than Kyle did in 109 more at bats. So now Bryce or Trea is getting out at second more or should they both run 25+ more times to make up when Alec hit into a DP?
3. Kyle scored 6 more runs than Trea with 55 less hits and 30 less stolen bases over a 29 at bat difference.

This isn't analytics, this is still counting numbers of the reality of what the Phillies have done.

With 47hrs I'd still take Kyle in the 4th spot. He's a better option there than Bohm. That's something your not taking into consideration. This new brand of baseball is far from perfect. And I don't live by it. I don't like managers (Joe Girardi) manage by keeping their noses in binders. No feel for the game whatsoever. Your number crunching supports that style of managing. Sometimes you gotta piss on the numbers and utilize your talents to the best for the team. Keeping Schwarber in the leadoff spot is not the best approach for this team moving forward. Especially with capable men who can lead off. Stott and Turner are more than capable of leading off. That number crunching shit because everyone else is doing it is pure laziness to me. Just let the computer manage the game if that's the case. I remember Jim Leyland once told his pitching coach who tried to show him numbers in a binder to take that book and shove it up your fuckin ass!!!! That's the type shit I'm on.



@jawnswoop

 

[jawnswoop]

With 47hrs I'd still take Kyle in the 4th spot. He's a better option there than Bohm. That's something your not taking into consideration. This new brand of baseball is far from perfect. And I don't live by it. I don't like managers (Joe Girardi) manage by keeping their noses in binders. No feel for the game whatsoever. Your number crunching supports that style of managing. Sometimes you gotta piss on the numbers and utilize your talents to the best for the team. Keeping Schwarber in the leadoff spot is not the best approach for this team moving forward. Especially with capable men who can lead off. Stott and Turner are more than capable of leading off. That number crunching shit because everyone else is doing it is pure laziness to me. Just let the computer manage the game if that's the case. I remember Jim Leyland once told his pitching coach who tried to show him numbers in a binder to take that book and shove it up your fuckin ass!!!! That's the type shit I'm on.



@jawnswoop

Right, kyle should be before bohm because kyle can get hot at the right time when the team needs him to hit and he's showed he can hit that ball at the right moment.

Managers need to have a feel for the game and stop this numbers bullshit on how they decide their rotations because that shit can hurt the team when the players don't produce like they should because you're not putting the batters that are hot at the top and working your way down to the batters that are warm.

kyle hasn't been good as the leadoff, so he should've been in a rotation that better suits him and the team where he could hit that ball at the right time when he's warm and sometimes cold

yea, turner has been hitting that ball out the park and should've been the leadoff to help when bases is loaded or when the team needs a homerun from him because he has delivered which is why managers should have a feel for the game seeing that player needs to move up or down the rotation and he was the guy that should be up in that rotation as a leadoff.

So, until these managers stop looking at these damn books with all this analytics bullshit then the team would continue to lose or fail because they always look at it from a numbers standpoint and not having feel of the game witnessing what they see and then making their rotations that best fit for each player because of how well they played is how they should put their lineup in order from top to bottom.

 

[jack walsh13]

Right, kyle should be before bohm because kyle can get hot at the right time when the team needs him to hit and he's showed he can hit that ball at the right moment.

Managers need to have a feel for the game and stop this numbers bullshit on how they decide their rotations because that shit can hurt the team when the players don't produce like they should because you're not putting the batters that are hot at the top and working your way down to the batters that are warm.

kyle hasn't been good as the leadoff, so he should've been in a rotation that better suits him and the team where he could hit that ball at the right time when he's warm and sometimes cold

yea, turner has been hitting that ball out the park and should've been the leadoff to help when bases is loaded or when the team needs a homerun from him because he has delivered which is why managers should have a feel for the game seeing that player needs to move up or down the rotation and he was the guy that should be up in that rotation as a leadoff.

So, until these managers stop looking at these damn books with all this analytics bullshit then the team would continue to lose or fail because they always look at it from a numbers standpoint and not having feel of the game witnessing what they see and then making their rotations that best fit for each player because of how well they played is how they should put their lineup in order from top to bottom.

Analytics have completely destroyed baseball. The game is unwatchable at times because of it.

 

[jawnswoop]

Analytics have completely destroyed baseball. The game is unwatchable at times because of it.

Yes, I'm tired of that shit.

What seem to be so simple they make that shit so complicated.

 

[jack walsh13]

Yes, I'm tired of that shit.

What seem to be so simple they make that shit so complicated.

Yup. And as you can see people buy into the bullshit.

 

[dik cashmere]

@playahaitian @darth frosty

MLB Winter Meetings: Juan Soto is a Yankee, Shohei Ohtani's free agency continues and more takeaways

The Winter Meetings were slow but not without action

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[Dr. Truth]

I’m just happy the Giants are getting Otani

 

[playahaitian]

@playahaitian @darth frosty

MLB Winter Meetings: Juan Soto is a Yankee, Shohei Ohtani's free agency continues and more takeaways

The Winter Meetings were slow but not without action

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Oh he here...

 

[BlackRob]

No one sees this camera?
Isn't this person gonna get fired?
Anyway, news is will interview with Toronto Blue Jays.
Or sign

 

[jack walsh13]

Oh he here...

Won't make a bit of damn difference because Boone is a horrible manager

 

[playahaitian]

Won't make a bit of damn difference because Boone is a horrible manager

Let me see what that man does this season.

 

[Big Tex]

 

[gutsdabeast]

 

[eagle force]

knew he'd stay on the west coast

 

[tanks1]

damn.....so, who is up next

 

[jack walsh13]

DODGERS DUN LOST THEIR FUCKIN MINDS WIT DIS SHIT.

 

[dik cashmere]

Won't make a bit of damn difference because Boone is a horrible manager

Let me see what that man does this season.

He gots to go

 

[jack walsh13]

knew he'd stay on the west coast

Absolutely he was. I said that from the jump

 

[jack walsh13]

He gots to go

There's no way you can't tell me he doesn't do lines of cocaine in the clubhouse

 

[darth frosty]

 

[playahaitian]

I hope he is really the next babe Ruth. I'm rooting for him.

Salute get ya money...

But I just don't think that number is wise

We will see.

 

[eagle force]

I hope he is really the next babe Ruth. I'm rooting for him.

Salute get ya money...

But I just don't think that number is wise

We will see.

the contract pays for itself with the amount of revenue ohtani will help generate (esp in 2025 when he pitches again)

 

[playahaitian]

the contract pays for itself with the amount of revenue ohtani will help generate (esp in 2025 when he pitches again)

I hope so.

 

[d-weezy]

That's a lot of Dodgers jerseys and businesses trying to jump into the Japanese market. As long as $30mil is deferred a years, then it's not that bad.