I agreeSide note... Need a Official Baseball Thread with MLB or World Series in the title for Next Year...
I agreeSide note... Need a Official Baseball Thread with MLB or World Series in the title for Next Year...
Side note... Need a Official Baseball Thread with MLB or World Series in the title for Next Year...
Former Brave...
On another forum, a Dodgers' fan said "buy that man all the beer he wants."
Steve Bartman is somewhere envying this dude.
I'm not understanding this. Your lucky if a starting pitchers goes 6 fucking innings anymore. And if they get to 100 pitches it's like they are gonna die. How are managers overworking these guys? Relief pitchers can't pitch three straight days anymore? The game is so soft nowadays. And I don't wanna hear shit about guys throwing harder either. It's bullshit. Analytics have absolutely ruined the game.@jack walsh13 @jawnswoop @DC_Dude @darth frosty @playahaitian
Clark: Clubs 'blowing out' pitchers with max usage
Union chief Tony Clark says it is up to MLB teams to change how pitchers are being used to help reduce injuries.www.espn.com
LOS ANGELES -- MLBPA executive director Tony Clark expressed concerns Friday about how pitchers are being used in today's game, putting the onus on teams to keep them healthy.
"The conversations that we've had with our players have suggested that unless or until you draw a line in the sand and force change, that the decision-makers on any one particular team are going to continue to make the decisions that they're making, which is have pitchers' -- starting and relievers -- max effort for the period of time that they can have them," Clark said on the field at Dodger Stadium before Game 1 of the World Series.
"As soon as they seem to run out of gas, as the data suggests that they're going to, recycle them out and to burn out another pitcher."
With the reduced prominence of starting pitchers and the increase in pitching injuries, the issue is a concern for the league as well. MLB has been studying the issue all season and hopes to implement the results of its findings to help reduce the number of injuries.
Clark says he believes teams need to have a role in it as well.
"Players are doing what it is they are being told they should do," Clark said. "If players were told, as they were the first 150 years the league was in existence, that the value was a quality start and pitching six innings or pitching deep in the game ... then that's what players are going to do. Clubs are telling players that that's not the value proposition anymore, and thus players are doing what it is that's being requested of them."
More refined training habits have helped increase fastball velocity over the past decade, leading to higher strikeout totals and more injuries. Tommy John surgery has become more common for pitchers, with some having the procedure multiple times. The league has even flirted with incentive-laden ways to address the issue, but Clark says he believes teams are going to do what it takes to win -- hence, urging maximum effort over efficiency.
"Developing starting pitching, having strong starting pitching -- that historically has been the value proposition for 150 years -- has been changed," he said. "So that's until the decision-makers determine that blowing out pitchers day in and day out as a result of how they're using them or what they're requiring of them is no longer the best way to treat their players, we'll see a change absent."
Clark also expressed satisfaction that the A's stadium in Sacramento will have a grass field to reduce the risk of injury during the hot summer months.
Meanwhile, the MLBPA is in wait-and-see mode regarding the damage to Tropicana Field because of Hurricane Milton. If the Rays can't play there in 2025, Clark says he wants to make sure the team is in a safe environment at a spring or minor league facility.
"It starts with the playing surface and the safety of the ballpark itself," Clark said. "Ensuring that you can get the work done that you need to get done and that the surface is reflective, and the ballpark is reflective, of major league standards."
It has not been determined if Tropicana Field will be playable next season.
Ripped the Yankees hearts out. I love it!!!!!Great finish to the game.
Ripped the Yankees hearts out. I love it!!!!!
I'm not understanding this. Your lucky if a starting pitchers goes 6 fucking innings anymore. And if they get to 100 pitches it's like they are gonna die. How are managers overworking these guys? Relief pitchers can't pitch three straight days anymore? The game is so soft nowadays. And I don't wanna hear shit about guys throwing harder either. It's bullshit. Analytics have absolutely ruined the game.
It's a little of everything you said cuzzo. I get it, it's more than being soft. Letting a computer dictate what you do in my opinion has exasperated the issue. What happened to feel of the game? Let the hitters tell you when it's time to take a pitcher out of a game. If his velocity dips but the muthafuckas still can't place soild contact then leave him in. I've seen pitchers taken out after 60 pitches because the computer said the third time through the lineup the percentages go up on soild contact. Who gives a flyin fuck? As of now them niggas can't hit shit. Pitching is about movement and location. Not just speed and velocity. Launch angles and velocity have taken the forefront of analytics. That to me is where everything is going wrong cuzzo.Cuzzo... I think it's more complicated
We got some of the greats saying that these modern pitchers don't know how to REALLY pitch properly
no finesse no variety
They work out wrong
They throw too hard
The breaks are too long.
But i know youth coaches who tell me these parents are literally destroying these kids arms so they can get into college or get Tommy John or BOTH
it's crazy.
just labeling it soft? Ain't really going to do shit to address the real issues.
Kids under 15 playing in 2 leagues at the same time getting their elbows blown out isn't soft. These pitchers hitting 3 digits consistently on the gun ain't soft.
Something is up with the ART OF PITCHING. And maybe even the human body is just finally saying this don't feel natural because it never was.
I'm not understanding this. Your lucky if a starting pitchers goes 6 fucking innings anymore. And if they get to 100 pitches it's like they are gonna die. How are managers overworking these guys? Relief pitchers can't pitch three straight days anymore? The game is so soft nowadays. And I don't wanna hear shit about guys throwing harder either. It's bullshit. Analytics have absolutely ruined the game.
It's a little of everything you said cuzzo. I get it, it's more than being soft. Letting a computer dictate what you do in my opinion has exasperated the issue. What happened to feel of the game? Let the hitters tell you when it's time to take a pitcher out of a game. If his velocity dips but the muthafuckas still can't place soild contact then leave him in. I've seen pitchers taken out after 60 pitches because the computer said the third time through the lineup the percentages go up on soild contact. Who gives a flyin fuck? As of now them niggas can't hit shit. Pitching is about movement and location. Not just speed and velocity. Launch angles and velocity have taken the forefront of analytics. That to me is where everything is going wrong cuzzo.
I was talking to a sports scientist the other day and he told me the only ANALytics that matter in baseball are in the FEMALE league wherein Belladonna is the league leader in baseball bat logistics & catching.
You on a roll muthafucka@jack walsh13
Sports scientist was brilliant. Basically explained to me it's A League of Their Own Part 2 - What Can Zod do for You? (the remix / sequel) for the ladies.
You on a roll muthafucka
Ripped the Yankees hearts out. I love it!!!!!
First off, you got this in the wrong thread...lol
Second: I do agree with this.
It's time for them to build the team around maxey.
No worries. broCuzzo was killing my yankees had me all confused and in my feelings
Sorry bro.
I don't want to hear that bullshit excuse, that's what they get paid to do. Pitch until you can't anymore, do whatver it takes to win.@jack walsh13 @jawnswoop @DC_Dude @darth frosty @playahaitian
Clark: Clubs 'blowing out' pitchers with max usage
Union chief Tony Clark says it is up to MLB teams to change how pitchers are being used to help reduce injuries.www.espn.com
LOS ANGELES -- MLBPA executive director Tony Clark expressed concerns Friday about how pitchers are being used in today's game, putting the onus on teams to keep them healthy.
"The conversations that we've had with our players have suggested that unless or until you draw a line in the sand and force change, that the decision-makers on any one particular team are going to continue to make the decisions that they're making, which is have pitchers' -- starting and relievers -- max effort for the period of time that they can have them," Clark said on the field at Dodger Stadium before Game 1 of the World Series.
"As soon as they seem to run out of gas, as the data suggests that they're going to, recycle them out and to burn out another pitcher."
With the reduced prominence of starting pitchers and the increase in pitching injuries, the issue is a concern for the league as well. MLB has been studying the issue all season and hopes to implement the results of its findings to help reduce the number of injuries.
Clark says he believes teams need to have a role in it as well.
"Players are doing what it is they are being told they should do," Clark said. "If players were told, as they were the first 150 years the league was in existence, that the value was a quality start and pitching six innings or pitching deep in the game ... then that's what players are going to do. Clubs are telling players that that's not the value proposition anymore, and thus players are doing what it is that's being requested of them."
More refined training habits have helped increase fastball velocity over the past decade, leading to higher strikeout totals and more injuries. Tommy John surgery has become more common for pitchers, with some having the procedure multiple times. The league has even flirted with incentive-laden ways to address the issue, but Clark says he believes teams are going to do what it takes to win -- hence, urging maximum effort over efficiency.
"Developing starting pitching, having strong starting pitching -- that historically has been the value proposition for 150 years -- has been changed," he said. "So that's until the decision-makers determine that blowing out pitchers day in and day out as a result of how they're using them or what they're requiring of them is no longer the best way to treat their players, we'll see a change absent."
Clark also expressed satisfaction that the A's stadium in Sacramento will have a grass field to reduce the risk of injury during the hot summer months.
Meanwhile, the MLBPA is in wait-and-see mode regarding the damage to Tropicana Field because of Hurricane Milton. If the Rays can't play there in 2025, Clark says he wants to make sure the team is in a safe environment at a spring or minor league facility.
"It starts with the playing surface and the safety of the ballpark itself," Clark said. "Ensuring that you can get the work done that you need to get done and that the surface is reflective, and the ballpark is reflective, of major league standards."
It has not been determined if Tropicana Field will be playable next season.
Muthafuckas don't love the game like they use too. They just in it for the money and the bitches.I don't want to hear that bullshit excuse, that's what they get paid to do. Pitch until you can't anymore, do whatver it takes to win.
I don't like this soft shit the NBA,NFL, and MLB about these players can't do this and that.
Just look at all the legends who played before them, they gave it their all, managers kept their pitchers in to win the game and strikeout their opponent and not take them out early.
That's what pisses me off about rob thompson on the phillies, he takes pitches out in the mid innings when they could've pitched longer to win the damn game. The phillies never had good relivers to put in to begin with.