I really hope they make Lucas and Ryan relationship healthy and positive
Even of its platonic
Even of its platonic
BATWOMAN Discussion Thread.. Javicia Leslie is new Batwoman (Update: Luke Fox is BatWing 6/8/2021) Bring on MORE Assorted White TEARS!!
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Damn a black mask and jack napier drop in the same episode featuring Victor Zsasz?
Well well well
They may have messed around and fixed this show.
Well well well
They may have messed around and fixed this show.
'Batwoman' star Javicia Leslie on that reunion: '[SPOILER] is Ryan's Kryptonite'
'Batwoman' star Javicia Leslie and showrunner Caroline Dries break down episode 4, 'Fair Skin, Blue Eyes.'
Batwoman's Javicia Leslie on that reunion: '
is Ryan's Kryptonite'
By Chancellor Agard
February 14, 2021 at 09:01 PM EST
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Warning: This article contains spoilers from Sunday's episode of Batwoman, "Fair Skin, Blue Eyes."
Batwoman fans should definitely be concerned about Ryan Wilder, who just reconnected with a messy figure from her past in Sunday's episode.
"Fair Skin, Blue Eyes," the CW superhero drama's latest installment, explored child trafficking and how Gotham City pulls out all the stops whenever a white kid goes missing, but doesn't do the same for minorities. In fact, Ryan (Javicia Leslie) has firsthand experience with this because she was kidnapped by the Candy Lady (Linda Kash) and almost sold into gang life when she was younger. That happened right around the time people were going door-to-door searching for Beth Kane. Alas, no such effort was made for Ryan. Thankfully, Ryan's group home friend Angelique noticed she was missing and saved her.
Flash-forward to the present day: A young boy asked Batwoman find his brother Kevin, the Candy Lady's latest victim. Thus Ryan was forced to revisit a traumatic experience from her past — and this time around, she defeated the Candy Lady for good.
"For the Candy Lady, that [episode] was hard because that's real life," Leslie tells EW. "Kids are getting kidnapped and trafficked all the time, and it was dark. It was a world that I knew that if we were going to go there, we needed to go there because that's the point: You tell these stories, one, to shine a light on [these issues], but then to save through them."
According to showrunner Caroline Dries, the idea for the Candy Lady had been batting around the writers' room since season 1. "The idea of the Candy Lady came straight out of the warped mind of [episode writer] Ebony Gilbert," Dries says. "The idea came up, 'Well, let's use Candy Lady in season 1 as just a villain of the week that Kate Kane has to [defeat],' and we kept pushing it off, pushing it off, and then it just didn't feel personal enough. Then once Ryan came on the show, we realized, 'Yes, now we have a story that we can tell where our central character is personally affected by this villain.' And it kind of helped unfold a little bit of this backstory that we wanted to tell with Ryan."
CREDIT: JUSTINA MINTZ/THE CW
Not only that, but it also created an unexpected connection between Ryan and Alice (Rachel Skarsten), whose Wonderland Gang murdered Ryan's mother. Long before the woman formerly known as Beth Kane had adventures on Coryana and became the villainous Alice, she was kidnapped and held captive by the Cartwrights for many years.
"Part of what I said to the writers' room is we can't make it seem like such a coincidence that, 'Oh, both Beth and Ryan just happened to be kidnapped. What are the chances both of our leads were kidnapped at one point in their life?'" says Dries. "So we went out of our way to make it feel a lot different, where Beth was taken for really specific, weird reasons and kept in a cell for many, many years, [and] where Ryan was actually just kidnapped, but she was being groomed to be sent off into gang life. And so to us, that was sort of this differing agenda that allowed these characters to have a sort of parallel story line or major event or milestone moment in their life."
After defeating the Candy Lady (and agreeing to move in with Nicole Kang's Mary), Ryan reconnected with Angelique (Bevin Bru), the drug-dealing ex-girlfriend for whom she went to prison. And no, this romantic reunion can't mean anything good for Ryan in the long run.
"Angelique is Ryan's Kryptonite," says Leslie (note: Kryptonite is also Ryan's Kryptonite because she's currently suffering from Kryptonite poisoning). "Should the audience be worried? Yes, be worried. Pray for your girl because… Ryan just has so much love and appreciation for Angelique, and I think that she'll continue to forgive her. She'll always forgive her, and that's just a weakness that she has."
With Angelique, the writers wanted to explore how Ryan's past could complicate her duties as Batwoman. "If Ryan weren't going to be Batwoman and was just going to continue living her life as Ryan Wilder, I think Angelique would be drama for her and they'd fight and things would go haywire. It wouldn't affect Gotham," says Dries. "But now she's wearing the Batsuit and she has this whole other world of responsibilities. And having someone like Angelique, who's a little shady and can be a little toxic, even though they're in love and she's a good person, that's a problem for the city's hero."
That being said, "I love Angelique and Ryan together, and I want them to be happy, and I want Ryan to be happy," Dries adds.
CREDIT: DEAN BUSCHER/THE CW
Ryan isn't the only one with some romantic baggage in the episode. Elsewhere, Alice forced Luke (Camrus Johnson) and Sophie (Meagan Tandy) to help her find Ocean, the man Safiyah (Shivaani Ghai) tasked her with killing in exchange for Kate's return. Eventually Alice found a photo of him and immediately flashed back to locking eyes with Ocean for the first time — which confuses Alice because she's never met him.
"The tease is, did she have something going sort of going on with some really attractive man on an island somewhere?" says Dries.
Skarsten adds: "That specific scene, of course, is going to send Alice on an entirely different path in uncovering this whole part of her history that she has really completely forgotten. So it's a very pivotal moment, I think, for Alice's character."
Check back in the morning for the latest installment of On Set with Batwoman breaking down episode 4.
Batwoman airs Sundays at 8 p.m. ET/PT on the CW. Be sure to subscribe to EW's YouTube channel so you won't miss new On Set episodes, dropping every Monday morning after the latest Batwoman episode.
February 14, 2021 at 09:01 PM EST
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CREDIT: JUSTINA MINTZ/THE CW
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Warning: This article contains spoilers from Sunday's episode of Batwoman, "Fair Skin, Blue Eyes."
Batwoman fans should definitely be concerned about Ryan Wilder, who just reconnected with a messy figure from her past in Sunday's episode.
"Fair Skin, Blue Eyes," the CW superhero drama's latest installment, explored child trafficking and how Gotham City pulls out all the stops whenever a white kid goes missing, but doesn't do the same for minorities. In fact, Ryan (Javicia Leslie) has firsthand experience with this because she was kidnapped by the Candy Lady (Linda Kash) and almost sold into gang life when she was younger. That happened right around the time people were going door-to-door searching for Beth Kane. Alas, no such effort was made for Ryan. Thankfully, Ryan's group home friend Angelique noticed she was missing and saved her.
Flash-forward to the present day: A young boy asked Batwoman find his brother Kevin, the Candy Lady's latest victim. Thus Ryan was forced to revisit a traumatic experience from her past — and this time around, she defeated the Candy Lady for good.
"For the Candy Lady, that [episode] was hard because that's real life," Leslie tells EW. "Kids are getting kidnapped and trafficked all the time, and it was dark. It was a world that I knew that if we were going to go there, we needed to go there because that's the point: You tell these stories, one, to shine a light on [these issues], but then to save through them."
According to showrunner Caroline Dries, the idea for the Candy Lady had been batting around the writers' room since season 1. "The idea of the Candy Lady came straight out of the warped mind of [episode writer] Ebony Gilbert," Dries says. "The idea came up, 'Well, let's use Candy Lady in season 1 as just a villain of the week that Kate Kane has to [defeat],' and we kept pushing it off, pushing it off, and then it just didn't feel personal enough. Then once Ryan came on the show, we realized, 'Yes, now we have a story that we can tell where our central character is personally affected by this villain.' And it kind of helped unfold a little bit of this backstory that we wanted to tell with Ryan."
CREDIT: JUSTINA MINTZ/THE CW
Not only that, but it also created an unexpected connection between Ryan and Alice (Rachel Skarsten), whose Wonderland Gang murdered Ryan's mother. Long before the woman formerly known as Beth Kane had adventures on Coryana and became the villainous Alice, she was kidnapped and held captive by the Cartwrights for many years.
"Part of what I said to the writers' room is we can't make it seem like such a coincidence that, 'Oh, both Beth and Ryan just happened to be kidnapped. What are the chances both of our leads were kidnapped at one point in their life?'" says Dries. "So we went out of our way to make it feel a lot different, where Beth was taken for really specific, weird reasons and kept in a cell for many, many years, [and] where Ryan was actually just kidnapped, but she was being groomed to be sent off into gang life. And so to us, that was sort of this differing agenda that allowed these characters to have a sort of parallel story line or major event or milestone moment in their life."
After defeating the Candy Lady (and agreeing to move in with Nicole Kang's Mary), Ryan reconnected with Angelique (Bevin Bru), the drug-dealing ex-girlfriend for whom she went to prison. And no, this romantic reunion can't mean anything good for Ryan in the long run.
"Angelique is Ryan's Kryptonite," says Leslie (note: Kryptonite is also Ryan's Kryptonite because she's currently suffering from Kryptonite poisoning). "Should the audience be worried? Yes, be worried. Pray for your girl because… Ryan just has so much love and appreciation for Angelique, and I think that she'll continue to forgive her. She'll always forgive her, and that's just a weakness that she has."
With Angelique, the writers wanted to explore how Ryan's past could complicate her duties as Batwoman. "If Ryan weren't going to be Batwoman and was just going to continue living her life as Ryan Wilder, I think Angelique would be drama for her and they'd fight and things would go haywire. It wouldn't affect Gotham," says Dries. "But now she's wearing the Batsuit and she has this whole other world of responsibilities. And having someone like Angelique, who's a little shady and can be a little toxic, even though they're in love and she's a good person, that's a problem for the city's hero."
That being said, "I love Angelique and Ryan together, and I want them to be happy, and I want Ryan to be happy," Dries adds.
CREDIT: DEAN BUSCHER/THE CW
Ryan isn't the only one with some romantic baggage in the episode. Elsewhere, Alice forced Luke (Camrus Johnson) and Sophie (Meagan Tandy) to help her find Ocean, the man Safiyah (Shivaani Ghai) tasked her with killing in exchange for Kate's return. Eventually Alice found a photo of him and immediately flashed back to locking eyes with Ocean for the first time — which confuses Alice because she's never met him.
"The tease is, did she have something going sort of going on with some really attractive man on an island somewhere?" says Dries.
Skarsten adds: "That specific scene, of course, is going to send Alice on an entirely different path in uncovering this whole part of her history that she has really completely forgotten. So it's a very pivotal moment, I think, for Alice's character."
Check back in the morning for the latest installment of On Set with Batwoman breaking down episode 4.
Batwoman airs Sundays at 8 p.m. ET/PT on the CW. Be sure to subscribe to EW's YouTube channel so you won't miss new On Set episodes, dropping every Monday morning after the latest Batwoman episode.
Yo this show got really black...
And i like it
And i like it
This is stupid
Why would Ryan NOT tell them about a damn kryptonite bullet wound infection
Why would Ryan NOT tell them about a damn kryptonite bullet wound infection
I know what they doing it still doesn't make sense
Ummm she found the asian chick vibrator?
you are only one man , bro
Its good considering how they had to pivot and recover on a dime
She isn't the BEST actress but I think coming in new like this its gonna take her a MINUTE to figure out who this character IS and is going to be.
the usual production value is fine CW standard.
They forcing some stuff in the story lines but I ain't MAD yet
There is a VERY obvious emphasis on race.
how Alice gets away with stuff because she light eyed and blonde haired and white
and the last episode had a definite Atlanta Child killer overtone
There is a tangible effort to make not this the GAY show and actually talk about peoples race ethnicity and gender within the context of the show
Season story is OK.... holding my interest
like how it seems like EVERYONE got something to do.
but the real thing is this
I don't miss Rose and actually like this direction BETTER.
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Why they leave Javicia,Cress and the Legends cast out of this promo..
Yeah, the show has gotten significantly better.
'Batwoman' star Rachel Skarsten reacts to Alice's shocking new 'love story'
Batwoman showrunner Caroline Dries teases Alice will "fumble through these romantic feelings."
So like i said the way they played that injury was a waste
How she have passionate sex with her ex and no one notices the huge green wound on her shoulder?
And then all it took was her ex to say ewww
And she goes to the doctor she moved in with whi she had access to the whole time???
Wtf???
How she have passionate sex with her ex and no one notices the huge green wound on her shoulder?
And then all it took was her ex to say ewww
And she goes to the doctor she moved in with whi she had access to the whole time???
Wtf???
You know what...
I'm on Episode 3 and this is working way better then I thought it would. She is killing it.
They do need to cut the fat on some of these other characters ..... Luke, Alice, Mary and Jacob should be the only ones left from the previous Season
Sophie ... even though she is fine... Just feels like extra now.
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I don't know what happened... but she is now looking kind of bad ass to me.. I think it's the hair.
Yeah... I HATE to agree with you cause I never get too much of her
It would be crazy if they make them a couple though
love scenes would have to be rated MA
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So John Diggle is supposed to be a guest on this Show and guessing on the Flash ...
So we have to be getting some Green Lantern shit...
So we have to be getting some Green Lantern shit...
It just Doesn't make sense for her to be on the show now...
This is about learning about Ryan's character and the continued slow movement of making Alice a Anti-hero.
I just don't get how the other Arrow shows haven't been able to do the Alice treatment to the other show.
At first I didn't see why Alice needed to remain on the show... but now I get it.
WE BETTER...
Black Lighning last week came as close as ever to mentioning John is the brother of black Lightning's wife during a therapy session.
I don;t think I would get RID of Sophie YET though
Cause if Lucas DOES become Batwing you need someone ELSE to be that connect
because I don;t see the father EVER being that.
I would like Ryan to have a BETTER alter ego and be rich and Alfred's daughter is her security guard.
I don't know if I want another season of POOR Batwoman living on top of a bar.
Yeah @slam made me appreciate Alice.
I STILL don't LOVE her
I really like the actress though and what she brings
but the CONSTANT protagonist just wears on me a little.
@fonzerrillii
THEY BETTER bring Diggle in and on Black Lightning also.
In fact Diggle should be what they gave that huge contract to Captain Cold for years back and never followed through....
He should be going in and out of ALL the shows to build some type of continuity.
THEY BETTER bring Diggle in and on Black Lightning also.
In fact Diggle should be what they gave that huge contract to Captain Cold for years back and never followed through....
He should be going in and out of ALL the shows to build some type of continuity.
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HOW IN THE F*CK DID THEY GET HE ACTOR PLAYING MOUSE TO COME BACK FOR TWO EPISODES JUST TO LIE THERE DEAD AND THEN TO GET EATEN BY RATS???!!!!
HOW IN THE F*CK DID THEY GET HE ACTOR PLAYING MOUSE TO COME BACK FOR TWO EPISODES JUST TO LIE THERE DEAD AND THEN TO GET EATEN BY RATS???!!!!
The show Is good and getting better... they need to develop Ryan training into the Batwoman role a little more. BTW Superman and Lois is kick ass good from EP1 (no spoliers).
If you want to complain about something it should be two things 1) They tanked "Black Lighting" on purpose since it is the last season. 2) the gimmick of the Legends needs to end.
Hopefully The Flash will continue to be entertaining and it was time for Supergirl to end as well.
If you want to complain about something it should be two things 1) They tanked "Black Lighting" on purpose since it is the last season. 2) the gimmick of the Legends needs to end.
Hopefully The Flash will continue to be entertaining and it was time for Supergirl to end as well.
I really agree with on this Luke and Ryan dynamic ....
You don't see shows with a Black Man in the Chair and a Black Superhero lead.
There dynamic really fucking works...
Also... I hope Luke and Mary hookup...
These three have fantastic chemistry ...
See I was with you completely until this line..
Legends can last forever...... It's pure Comedy gold.
On episode 4...
Man this is working way way better then I thought... It just feels different. Writing has more weight behind it... Like they are trying to make Batwoman feel like a Earned thing.
Man this is working way way better then I thought... It just feels different. Writing has more weight behind it... Like they are trying to make Batwoman feel like a Earned thing.