Dallas cop enters wrong apartment, kills Black man Botham Jean who lives there [LIVE TRIAL LINK]

FJP

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One thing I can honestly say for the first time in these types of cases. The DA went for the throat and didn’t put together some bullshit case that’s basically gonna get her off. If she gets off it’s clear what the reason is ..... indifference towards black life. Damn sure won’t be because of a faulty prosecution
 

zod16

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One thing I can honestly say for the first time in these types of cases. The DA went for the throat and didn’t put together some bullshit case that’s basically gonna get her off. If she gets off it’s clear what the reason is ..... indifference towards black life. Damn sure won’t be because of a faulty prosecution

I was fully prepared to be critical of the prosecution but they seemed to be landing haymakers especially when they got a chance to ask her about her tears/demeanor in the courtroom compared with how cavalier she appeared immediately after the shooting.
 

Mixd

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Has the death penalty been taken off the table..? The prosecution just wants her to do life w/o parole
In Texas, I believe if they prove murder, that's the death penalty. But they won't so not getting my thought in that direction. I've said all along, they should not of tried her for Murder, they can't prove it. Evidence is too weak. Has to be manslaughter.
 

zod16

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In Texas, I believe if they prove murder, that's the death penalty. But they won't so not getting my thought in that direction. I've said all along, they should not of tried her for Murder, they can't prove it. Evidence is too weak. Has to be manslaughter.

The jury can still convict her of something less than murder even if that was the original charge.
 

Mixd

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The jury can still convict her of something less than murder even if that was the original charge.
Yes I'm aware, in the beginning, last year I was worried they'd try for murder, miss, then would be a mistrial, but I know that's no longer the case.
 

Mixd

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What is the maximum penalty in Texas for manslaughter? Also who ever kept this thread pinned at the top of the board...thanks!
2-20 years max for manslaughter.

In order to of proved murder, DA would of had to prove she knowingly went in there to murder him. So far haven't seen any proof/evidence that showed she went in and intended to kill him "by the law".

Unless we see some shocking evidence that they shared texts or calls or anything that she knew him, then only thing that I see coming from this is manslaughter. And we still don't know if "white tears" will prevail and she walks...
 

ORIGINAL NATION

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I did not see anyone ask her if she had a dog. The so called witnesses were not asked if she had a dog. They supposedly showed photos of both apartments comparing them. I have not checked that out yet.
 

phanatic

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Yes I'm aware, in the beginning, last year I was worried they'd try for murder, miss, then would be a mistrial, but I know that's no longer the case.

That DA that made the social media post tried to do that. Slick bastard
 

Star

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I did not see anyone ask her if she had a dog. The so called witnesses were not asked if she had a dog. .
The Apartment complex said maintenance would be doing "Leak Checks" so she said she took the dog to her mothers a few days before

Also Nothing really has to be Proven or Proven beyond a reasonable doubt or Proven in any kind of way,,
America has Jury Trials, A Jury can decide Anything they want and Nothing can be done about their final decision. The Supreme Court has ruled on this at least six times. Jury decision is the last word. Jury nullification can work Both Ways
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html
They can charge her with Murder if they want
 

BlackGoku

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I don't know if yall discussed this earlier in the thread, but I'm looking at the racial makeup of the jury...I think this results in a Hung Jury...even for Manslaughter..I hate to be negative, but what I highlighted in bold will be key...

As the trial against Amber Guyger for the murder of Botham Jean continues, there might be a better chance for a balanced trial considering the makeup of the jury.

Jean’s family lawyer in the civil case, Lee Merritt, tweeted on Monday, “We are all relieved that the jury hearing the #AmberGuyger case reflects the diversity of Dallas County where the crime took place. From my estimation 5 black jurors, 5 Hispanic/Asian, 2 white (2 black & 2 white alternates).

https://defendernetwork.com/news/local-state/racial-makeup-of-amber-guygers-jury-is-revealed/
 

ORIGINAL NATION

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The Apartment complex said maintenance would be doing "Leak Checks" so she said she took the dog to her mothers a few days before

Also Nothing really has to be Proven or Proven beyond a reasonable doubt or Proven in any kind of way,,
America has Jury Trials, A Jury can decide Anything they want and Nothing can be done about their final decision. The Supreme Court has ruled on this at least six times. Jury decision is the last word. Jury nullification can work Both Ways
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html
They can charge her with Murder if they want
Guess it was no proof of that. Strange shit when you have been locked over and over again. Even for stuff you did not do. I myself feel that there would not be a need for stuff like this if everybody was in their right mind. Only a devil can create a devil and only a God can create a God. But a God will not have to follow the rules and regulations of a devil. There is a formula for overcoming white control.
But personally I am not sure how people perceived her on the witness stand but when I saw that bullshit I had no doubt she was guilty as hell. If I was on the jury and had any doubt about her it went totally out of the window when I checked out her on the witness stand. And maybe something should be done to correct that devil. What desires do she really hold in her heart?
 

darth frosty

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Who is this clown with this intentional blindness case makes it reasonable.






Imagine you are asked to watch a short video (above) in which six people-three in white shirts and three in black shirts-pass basketballs around. While you watch, you must keep a silent count of the number of passes made by the people in white shirts. At some point, a gorilla strolls into the middle of the action, faces the camera and thumps its chest, and then leaves, spending nine seconds on screen. Would you see the gorilla?

  • Almost everyone has the intuition that the answer is "yes, of course I would." How could something so obvious go completely unnoticed? But when we did this experiment at Harvard University several years ago, we found that half of the people who watched the video and counted the passes missed the gorilla. It was as though the gorilla was invisible.

    This experiment reveals two things: that we are missing a lot of what goes on around us, and that we have no idea that we are missing so much. To our surprise, it has become one of the best-known experiments in psychology. It is described in most introductory textbooks and is featured in more than a dozen science museums. It has been used by everyone from preachers and teachers to corporate trainers and terrorist hunters, not to mention characters on the TV show C.S.I., to help explain what we see and what we don't see. And it got us thinking that many other intuitive beliefs that we have about our own minds might be just as wrong. We wrote The Invisible Gorilla to explore the limits of human intuition and what they mean for ourselves and our world. We hope you read it, and if you do, we would love to hear what you think.
 

Ing4life

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Imagine you are asked to watch a short video (above) in which six people-three in white shirts and three in black shirts-pass basketballs around. While you watch, you must keep a silent count of the number of passes made by the people in white shirts. At some point, a gorilla strolls into the middle of the action, faces the camera and thumps its chest, and then leaves, spending nine seconds on screen. Would you see the gorilla?

  • Almost everyone has the intuition that the answer is "yes, of course I would." How could something so obvious go completely unnoticed? But when we did this experiment at Harvard University several years ago, we found that half of the people who watched the video and counted the passes missed the gorilla. It was as though the gorilla was invisible.

    This experiment reveals two things: that we are missing a lot of what goes on around us, and that we have no idea that we are missing so much. To our surprise, it has become one of the best-known experiments in psychology. It is described in most introductory textbooks and is featured in more than a dozen science museums. It has been used by everyone from preachers and teachers to corporate trainers and terrorist hunters, not to mention characters on the TV show C.S.I., to help explain what we see and what we don't see. And it got us thinking that many other intuitive beliefs that we have about our own minds might be just as wrong. We wrote The Invisible Gorilla to explore the limits of human intuition and what they mean for ourselves and our world. We hope you read it, and if you do, we would love to hear what you think.



Oh Thanks, but if she was trained with 3000 hours to increase her so called investigative skill, that would negate the ordinary person perception of things.
 

CurtDawg

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2-20 years max for manslaughter.

In order to of proved murder, DA would of had to prove she knowingly went in there to murder him. So far haven't seen any proof/evidence that showed she went in and intended to kill him "by the law".

Unless we see some shocking evidence that they shared texts or calls or anything that she knew him, then only thing that I see coming from this is manslaughter. And we still don't know if "white tears" will prevail and she walks...


But fam, its already been proven that she intentionally murdered him :(
The thing about intent.....they don't have to necessarily prove intent...when Amber got up in the morning...or when she got out of her car in the evening...
But was it intent/intentional, right when the gun went off
And the answer is YES

The gun did not accidentally go off, like when Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the foot
She purposely aimed at him...purposely aimed center mass...purposely pulled the trigger with the intent to kill him
The attorney even asked her "did you intend to kill him", and she said yes
That is why no judge would initially sign an arrest warrant for manslaughter, and they had to go to that coon Texas Ranger to get the manslaughter charge

Ambers whole defense is that yeah she intentionally shot him BUT...based on a "reasonable" mistake
So all Botham's attorneys have to prove is that it was not "reasonable" mistakes leading up to the shooting
That's why both attorneys keep mentioning the words "reasonable" and "unreasonable"
In addition to that, Ambers defense is also saying "if you believe her mistakes were reasonable" then she was justified in purposely shooting him in self defense, fearing for her life

:(:(:(
 

BlackGoku

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But fam, its already been proven that she intentionally murdered him :(
The thing about intent.....they don't have to necessarily prove intent...when Amber got up in the morning...or when she got out of her car in the evening...
But was it intent/intentional, right when the gun went off
And the answer is YES

The gun did not accidentally go off, like when Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the foot
She purposely aimed at him...purposely aimed center mass...purposely pulled the trigger with the intent to kill him
The attorney even asked her "did you intend to kill him", and she said yes
That is why no judge would initially sign an arrest warrant for manslaughter, and they had to go to that coon Texas Ranger to get the manslaughter charge

Ambers whole defense is that yeah she intentionally shot him BUT...based on a "reasonable" mistake
So all Botham's attorneys have to prove is that it was not "reasonable" mistakes leading up to the shooting
That's why both attorneys keep mentioning the words "reasonable" and "unreasonable"
In addition to that, Ambers defense is also saying "if you believe her mistakes were reasonable" then she purposely shot him in self defense, fearing for her life

:smh::smh::smh:

But this is why it's important to know if they knew each other or knew of each other because then can get her for murder...like if she KNEW she was on the wrong floor, that just blows up her entire argument saying she thought it was her apartment...this will be the difference between Murder and Manslaughter, because they can say that it was an accident if she really did think that was her apartment
 

CurtDawg

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How did she get into his apartment?

And did they know each other at all?

I haven't been following this trail much.

But this is why it's important to know if they knew each other or knew of each other because then can get her for murder...like if she KNEW she was on the wrong floor, that just blows up her entire argument saying she thought it was her apartment...this will be the difference between Murder and Manslaughter, because they can say that it was an accident if she really did think that was her apartment


They did not know each other
Both attorneys, Bothams & Ambers, already said they did not know each other at all
 

Mixd

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But fam, its already been proven that she intentionally murdered him :(
The thing about intent.....they don't have to necessarily prove intent...when Amber got up in the morning...or when she got out of her car in the evening...
But was it intent/intentional, right when the gun went off
And the answer is YES

The gun did not accidentally go off, like when Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the foot
She purposely aimed at him...purposely aimed center mass...purposely pulled the trigger with the intent to kill him
The attorney even asked her "did you intend to kill him", and she said yes
That is why no judge would initially sign an arrest warrant for manslaughter, and they had to go to that coon Texas Ranger to get the manslaughter charge

Ambers whole defense is that yeah she intentionally shot him BUT...based on a "reasonable" mistake
So all Botham's attorneys have to prove is that it was not "reasonable" mistakes leading up to the shooting
That's why both attorneys keep mentioning the words "reasonable" and "unreasonable"
In addition to that, Ambers defense is also saying "if you believe her mistakes were reasonable" then she was justified in purposely shooting him in self defense, fearing for her life

:(:(:(
I agree with all that. But think for them to prove that is harder. It's why they are trying to push for her to slip up. As long as she sticks to the "I didn't know it wasn't my apartment's" narrative, I feel like proving murder is weak.

Unless, like I said, they drop some bombshell like she opened her apartment door B4 his or some secret texts or calls they had proving they knew each other, then I just can't see them proving it.

All they doing now in my eyes is showing how she didn't render care after, nor seemed to give a fuck she shot anyone. That's it.

Beyond that, it's really a stretch.
 

CurtDawg

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Fellas, are you guys still watching the live stream ???
This commentator Barry Sorrels just explained exactly what we were just talking about
He just broke down each charge (murder, manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide)
And he also explained the amount of time for each
Go back & watch the last couple of minutes of the live stream for WFAA

Manslaughter in Texas is only 2-20 years in prison (with the possibility of parole, especially for a first offender)
Murder in Texas is 5-99 years in prison (without the possibility of parole)
If she gets manslaughter..... she'll probably be in & out, in like 5 years fellas.....no fuckin way that should happen

The Amber Guyger murder trial: Day 6

 
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