Dallas cop enters wrong apartment, kills Black man Botham Jean who lives there [LIVE TRIAL LINK]

Mixd

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Two observations:
You are relaying that in the State of Texas, if you draw your weapon, you damn well intend to use deadly force.
There is such a mindset...never draw your weapon unless you intend to use it.

As stated, not all States treat it like that. It DOES matter what damage you did.

As an aside, while stationed in Germany, we'd get into brawls with the Turks, who were known to smash a bottle and stab a ninja in the ass. They'd stab you in the buttocks because it was a demonstration that they didn't intend to kill you. If they stabbed you in the torso or near an artery, in Turkey, that was or could be considered attempted murder.

Secondly, I think that you are relatively new to firearms and you're speaking to YOUR level of proficiency.
Anyone who hunts regularly, especially fowl, or spend a shit ton of time at a range hones their skills. I was in the Army and went to the Range regularly. I worked and trained in Gunnery from 9mm to .50 cal (Browning not Barret Sniper Rifle, that is) and the MK19 Grenade Launcher. I trained in MOUT, which is pretty similar to what a SWAT Team does and we trained in Shoot Houses.

I'm proficient enough in, controlled situations or environments, to shoot to injure and not to kill. Of course if one is caught in a crossfire or all out chaos/ambush, that all goes out the window.

If you're trained and proficient, you can put the round where you want it. A Sniper CAN just wound you, they don't have to aim for the hear or heart unless the intent is to snuff you immediately.
Again, I'm talking proving all that in a court of law.

Of course I can put a bullet where I want it. Said an attorney would have a field day with anyone to discredit anyone who thinks they can determine the path a bullet will travel.

I guess I'm not getting my point across.

On a stand, you or anyone, a lawyer would have a field day with anyone trying to say how accurate they are.

You shot at a person, you better have intentions to kill, not maim. Because he will paint that picture to a jury and no matter the law, they will add their personal fear factor to that.
 

Shaka54

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Again, I'm talking proving all that in a court of law.

Of course I can put a bullet where I want it. Said an attorney would have a field day with anyone to discredit anyone who thinks they can determine the path a bullet will travel.

I guess I'm not getting my point across.

On a stand, you or anyone, a lawyer would have a field day with anyone trying to say how accurate they are.

You shot at a person, you better have intentions to kill, not maim. Because he will paint that picture to a jury and no matter the law, they will add their personal fear factor to that.
Your point is highlighted and understood. Our point is it does not apply to other States and YOU said that YOU can put a bullet where you want it. That's the point that WE'RE trying to make. YOU can shoot a muhfucka in the leg but Texas is gonna hang yo ass out to dry whether you INTENDED to kill or not...I got it.
You'd be fucked six ways to Sunday in Texas.
 

Mixd

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Your point is highlighted and understood. Our point is it does not apply to other States and YOU said that YOU can put a bullet where you want it. That's the point that WE'RE trying to make. YOU can shoot a muhfucka in the leg but Texas is gonna hang yo ass out to dry whether you INTENDED to kill or not...I got it.
You'd be fucked six ways to Sunday in Texas.
Yeah and this whole little discussion started about Guyger stating that she intended to kill.

As a cop, on the stand, it's why he asked her distinctly, if she intended to kill him. Cause as a cop she can't point a weapon, at him, by her SOP or Standard Operating Procedures, without intending to kill him.

Or she would not of been following her protocol as a cop to shoot. The prosecutor had to pull it out of her to show she wasn't following what she was taught to do. He painted her in a corner so she had to say she intended to kill him.

He played chess.
 

ORIGINAL NATION

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She needs immediate Protection...her antennas must be on high alert!!!


Wow that was something else some of the stuff she said in that interview. National news wanted interviews with her. She was to give one interview with the agreement that she review the interview before they show it. But she said that tried to chop up her words as though they she was sympathizing with Amber.
 

tajshan

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Is it true that he was shot in the mouth? If so, do gangs make that kind of effort to send an message instead of just shooting a dude?

Damn I remember that sister that gave that interview on the Advise show went into to hiding after she "lost" her job.
Joshua Brown...

This shit is so highly suspect.
It's obvious something's up now.
If Black Folks can't get our act together now,
We are so doomed.
For real....
 

RAY V.

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Fam.....What TV show is that in your sig ???
And who is that weather girl in your sig ???
:sleazy::sleazy:
Dawg man i couldn't even tell you about the tv show vid, but the weather girl vid is from one of Snoop Dogg's TV Youtube Channels :cool:
 

CurtDawg

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Dawg man i couldn't even tell you about the tv show vid, but the weather girl vid is from one of Snoop Dogg's TV Youtube Channels :cool:


Network: Nuvo TV
Channel: Knockout (with Floyd Mayweathers Dad)
Looks like they were having a boxing ring girl contest
Here you go playa.....

 

CORNBREAD

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Now (2) people that we know of have died because of Amber Guyger...She will probably get special treatment but let's see how this plays out in Jail.
 

CORNBREAD

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Is it true that he was shot in the mouth? If so, do gangs make that kind of effort to send an message instead of just shooting a dude?

Damn I remember that sister that gave that interview on the Advise show went into to hiding after she "lost" her job.

For real....

 

neptunes007

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Botham Jean's brother on courtroom hug with Amber Guyger: 'She still deserves love'

Good Morning America
October 4, 2019, 10:20 AM PDT


Botham Jean's brother on courtroom hug with Amber Guyger: 'She still deserves love' originally appeared on goodmorningamerica.com

Brandt Jean, the 18-year-old who hugged Amber Guyger, the woman convicted of killing his brother, in court spoke out for the first time about the moment that shocked the nation and spurred a national conversation on forgiveness.

"This is what you have to do to set yourself free," Jean said in an exclusive interview Friday on "Good Morning America." "I didn't really plan on living the rest of my life hating this woman."


"I know that there's something called peace of mind and that's the type of stuff you need to do to have peace of mind," he said. "That is why I wake up happy in the morning. That is why I want to live happy later on in my life."

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PHOTO: Brandt Jean appears on 'Good Morning America,' Oct. 4, 2019. (ABC News)
Guyger, a former Dallas police officer, was sentenced Wednesday to serve 10 years in prison for the fatal 2018 killing of Jean's brother, Botham Jean, whom she shot when she mistakenly entered his apartment believing it was her own.

(MORE: Jurors in former Dallas police officer Amber Guyger case speak about decision)

The sentence appeared to initially disappoint the Jean family, who had hoped for far harsher punishment. Several members of the family broke down in tears, shaking their heads as if in disbelief of the jury's decision.

But Brandt Jean took the witness stand and spoke to Guyger, saying, "I know if you go to God and ask him, he will forgive you."

"I love you just like anyone else and I'm not going to hope you rot and die," Brandt Jean told Guyger. "I personally want the best for you. I wasn't going to say this in front of my family, I don't even want you to go to jail. I want the best for you because I know that's exactly what Botham would want for you. Give your life to Christ. I think giving your life to Christ is the best thing Botham would want for you."

(MORE: Botham Jean's mother delivers emotional victim impact statement before sentencing of Amber Guyger: 'My life has not been the same')

Brandt Jean, who is attending his brother's alma mater, Harding University, then asked Judge Tammy Kemp if he could give Guyger a hug, a request the judge granted.

He stepped off the witness stand, met Guyger in front of the judge's bench and embraced as Guyger broke into tears.


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BREAKING: In stunning moment, Botham Jean's brother embraces Amber Guyger after her sentencing for his brother's murder.

"I don't even want you to go to jail. I want the best for you, because I know that's exactly what Botham would want." http://abcn.ws/2puWKDl




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"I knew that I just told her that I forgave her and with usual instances the words only, they mean something, but I felt like that wasn't enough," Brandt Jean said on "GMA" of his request to hug Guyger. "That was just my gesture, my decision of letting her know that I truly forgive her."

"We don't know what's going to happen [in the future]," he said. "I just felt like I had to get that point across to her."

Brandt Jean's unprecedented gesture quickly went viral, with people applauding the teen for his act of forgiveness. But his decision left others, including members of his own family, surprised, a divide acknowledged by the teen.




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A post shared by S. Lee Merritt, Esquire (@leemerrittesq) on Sep 21, 2019 at 6:13am PDT

"Each and every one has steps to get towards actually forgiving. I probably went through those faster than other people. Some people went through it faster than me," he said. "If you are trying to forgive [Guyger], understand that she is a human being. She still deserves love."

"She made a mistake that she probably truly regrets so if you want to forgive her, just understand that God forgave you," Brandt Jean added. "I know that every time I ask God for forgiveness, he forgives me, so who am I to not forgive someone who asks?"

(MORE: Death of an innocent man: Timeline of wrong-apartment murder trial of Amber Guyger)

At a news conference on Friday afternoon, Brandt Jean said that he didn't know the cameras in the courtroom were on when he spoke to Guyger and hugged her.

"At the time, I didn't know the cameras were on after the sentencing. I saw Amber's family leave the room along with Amber and we left and came back [into the courtroom]. Upon coming back I didn't think any cameras would be on," he said at the news conference.

The family's lawyer followed up, saying that Brandt Jean's action "showed incredible bravery, but it wasn't for show."

Bertrum and Allison Jean, the parents of Brandt and Botham Jean, told ABC News Thursday they were surprised by the remarkable act of mercy their 18-year-old son showed Guyger after her sentencing.

Bertrum Jean said that while he shared his child's sentiments, he hopes the compassion his son displayed to Guyger will "help her recognize the folly of her ways."

"That was not saying there are no consequences for someone's actions, for her actions," said Bertrum Jean, a minister in St. Lucia. "But he forgave her and it is all right to forgive. Jesus said we need to forgive. So we can forgive people, right?

"I think what we saw was a jury that came back with a verdict of guilty of murder. That is significant to me," Allison Jean told ABC News. "No matter how long she serves that sentence, she has a record that she is a murderer."

Botham and Brandt Jean's sister, Allisa Findley, released a statement through the family's attorney saying she admired what her younger brother did in court.

"What Brandt did, I truly admire," she wrote. "I pray everyday to get to the point of forgiveness and he is already there. That's a weight lifted from him. He hugged our brothers killer to free himself and I stand behind him 100%."




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Message from #BothamJean's big sister. #listentoblackwomen

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The family's attorney, Lee Merritt, acknowledged "mixed emotions" in the Jean family over Brandt Jean's courtroom hug with Guyger, but called it "an important first step" toward easing the family's pain.

"Everyone in that family is hurting desperately because they loved Botham Jean and they won't be able to get past that hurt if they can't forgive his killer," he said on "GMA." "They believe that, I believe that and so it was an important first step."

Merritt also confirmed the Jean family hoped Guyger would be sentenced closer to the 28 years in prison recommended by the district attorney, but pointed out that legal justice is different than mercy.

"That will be closer to justice, but that is a whole separate conversation from the spiritual release of forgiveness," he said.

(MORE: Former officer convicted of murder in wrong-apartment killing of innocent man)

Daryl Washington, an attorney who also represents the Jean family, told ABC News both the family and the the public should consider it "a victory" that Guyger was held responsible for Botham Jean's death.

"As for the 10 years, it’s really hard to make a determination how many years you give someone for a crime," Washington said Friday on "The Briefing Room." "We know that there have been black males throughout this country who have been sentenced to prison much longer for a lesser crime."

"We just hope that during this time it gives Amber Guyger the opportunity to reflect and somehow one day she’s going to come out and admit that what she did was wrong," he said.

ABC News' Bill Hutchinson, Marcus Moore, Meghan Keneally and Julia Jacobo contributed to this report.

I believe in forgiveness, Lord knows I do, but what need is it to do it in public. C’mon bruh, you really needed to hug the woman that killed you brother to close the chapter of forgiveness. True forgiveness is done internally in your heart and personally.

To me when I saw this, it looked no different than Jerry Seinfeld hugging Hitler or Malcolm X hugging the Klan members that killed his father

There are two critical questions for the Jean family that we all should get an answer: What do they have have to say about what happened to Joshua Brown? As Joshua was the key witness in making sure Botham received justice for his death. And, do they still believe it was appropriate to hug Amber? Bc if it wasn’t for Amber’s actions both Botham and Joshua would be alive right now.
 

silverhawk

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Black Women involved in this have been very disappointing. The juror, bailiff, police leadership of Dallas, the Judge. It has really been a awful showing of unity. When I talk to women I know, most are very upset. A few are in cunity with the media's narrative. "Well, she did show she was remorseful..." I would too to minimize that punishment!
 

silverhawk

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What message did this send out to Black Women regarding Black Men?

Women over the Black Man, no matter what?
 

silverhawk

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She is doing what any killer would hope to do. Get off.
What Brandt Jean and the father is doing is not natural. Forgiveness is one thing. Forgiveness does allow positive energy to flow. Their behavior/words are entirely different. Very unnatural. Almost sinister.
 

hocjo2626

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She is doing what any killer would hope to do. Get off.
What Brandt Jean and the father is doing is not natural. Forgiveness is one thing. Forgiveness does allow positive energy to flow. Their behavior/words are entirely different. Very unnatural. Almost sinister.

I hear you bruh. I understand totally. :yes:
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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This is,one of many issues I have with black religious people. Many of them rather be cowards and act like they're the leaders in the community but wanna look down on the folks that's not on that forgiveness bullshit....

We're the ones that built this country on free labor but somehow we're not allowed to be angry.

Jews are allowed to be angry.

Hispanics are allowed to be angry.

Native Americans are allowed to be angry.

And,this list goes on and on yet Black people in Amerikkka have to forgive the person that murdered one of their own..

The black religious community have fail the black community for decades and it's time for us to cut them loose.


You have many black churches on one street yet many of them don't try to help the community. All they care about is getting that money every Sunday.Since,the black churches don't care about the well being of the community,we should just stop going.

Telling,a community to forgive the person every single time we get shot by the them is getting old and tiring.
 

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Read carefully before you react to what is in your heart, and not stated below***

This quote from a young man sums it up best for me: “Black people forgiving white racists is really more about trying to prove our humanity to them.”
#tobeclear
We have nothing to prove to these people. These are the #same people who wouldn’t forgive President Obama for wearing a beige suit. They are the same ones who want Colin Kaepernick dead for fighting for justice, including Amber Guyger who posted about CK on her social media.

And yet we forgive them for murdering our sons and daughters, our innocent children that we carry in our wombs? What nonsense is this? Where was their compassion for Trayvon Martin? They believed Zimmerman was right to kill this beautiful young soul. What about 12 year old Tamir Rice? They believe the officer did what was right because he felt “threatened.”

What about the poor black mother who put her kids in a good school and got 5 years in prison? They believe she deserved it because she 'broke the law'. What about the poor children on the border who are being separated from their parents on the border? They believe these parents should be separated because it’s “illegal” to cross the border (which it is not because our constitution allows victims to seek asylum).

See the pattern here? I can not control what’s in a person’s heart. I cannot stop one from feeling the need to forgive but I believe more than anything, that this comes from a #misguided view based on what we’ve been taught
(#slaveconditioning) rather than it coming from heart space.

When I hear people say “I had to forgive” that tells me it comes from a place of force because when you truly forgive you don’t feel like it’s something you had to do but rather, #wanted to do.

Furthermore, yes forgiveness is individual but it’s also bigger than just you when others are involved. So while you may #personally forgive easily, others need time to process it so these public displays of forgiveness from black people actually hurts more than it heals, especially considering all that these people have done to us in this country.

It’s okay to personally forgive if you want, but it’s good to be mindful of those that you’ve involved and who have invested their emotions, their time into finding justice for your family. In a sense, it’s selfish in my opinion not to do so.

So while you are worrying about showing white people your humanity, (#upliftsuasion) you are hurting the ones who fought for you and that is selfish.

Botham's brother is still growing so I give him the benefit of the doubt but for these adults who do this, that is who this message is for. Be mindful of your people. Be mindful of those you have involved. Now the white media is covering his forgiveness speech and the Amber Guyger support group is sharing this #more than they are the victim himself. It shouldn’t be this way and my people have to do better.

I said what I said and I really don’t want to hear any defense of forgiving unrepentant racists.
- S. Sparks
(Gently edited)

I'm trying to save black people's bodies and white people's souls.- MLK

Periodt. There is no defense of the indefensible and our ancestors would not applaud it. We refuse to disrespect the sacrifices made that have yet to fully manifest equal treatment under the law.

WinTentireF?!?!?!
 
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