Debate: Damon Wayans Criticizes 'Dave Chappelle's Specials': "Are They Speeches Or Specials?" Too many specials?
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He’s not wrong
I've never seen a comedian do a SERIES of concerts that was one big piece itself.
The Age of Spin
Deep In the Heart of Texas
Equanimity
The Bird Revelation
Sticks & Stones
The Closer
there is a whole college course worth of material in those six concerts. This body of work sets him apart from every contemporary comedian thats stood on the stage in the last 100 years and I'm being literal. The ONLY other comedian I can think of thats come anywhere close is Dick Gregory the only comedian who COULD IMO do something similar would be Trevor Noah.
And while its certainly ARTISTIC the issue at this point is...is THAT COMEDY?? Are we still in the realm of comedy?
A doctors first Hippocratic oath order is to do no harm....a comedian's first order (IMO) isn't to tell the truth..its TO ENTERTAIN. The truth (as you know it) can used to do that BUT it gets very dicey when you play that rule aggressively.
Blackface is a JOKE...back when it was first done in the 1800s and sarah silverman did it 10 years ago..as a joke in the 21st century... Again we're talking about COMEDY...should this episode be banned from airing in reruns?? Cuz it is...and its just a joke.
Dave stopped doing comedy when he said "I'm team TERF" thats not a set up to a punchline its a socio-political rant which changes the tone of whats supposed to be stand up comedy.
I said this last year..
The Age of Spin
Deep In the Heart of Texas
Equanimity
The Bird Revelation
Sticks & Stones
The Closer
there is a whole college course worth of material in those six concerts. This body of work sets him apart from every contemporary comedian thats stood on the stage in the last 100 years and I'm being literal. The ONLY other comedian I can think of thats come anywhere close is Dick Gregory the only comedian who COULD IMO do something similar would be Trevor Noah.
And while its certainly ARTISTIC the issue at this point is...is THAT COMEDY?? Are we still in the realm of comedy?
A doctors first Hippocratic oath order is to do no harm....a comedian's first order (IMO) isn't to tell the truth..its TO ENTERTAIN. The truth (as you know it) can used to do that BUT it gets very dicey when you play that rule aggressively.
Blackface is a JOKE...back when it was first done in the 1800s and sarah silverman did it 10 years ago..as a joke in the 21st century... Again we're talking about COMEDY...should this episode be banned from airing in reruns?? Cuz it is...and its just a joke.
Dave stopped doing comedy when he said "I'm team TERF" thats not a set up to a punchline its a socio-political rant which changes the tone of whats supposed to be stand up comedy.
I said this last year..
I always like watching Dave. I also watch TED talks because I like quality speakers.
I do however miss straight up bullshitting and funny comics with foul mouths and no lesson or subtext. Would love some 30 minute sets interspersed with all the message comedy.
I do however miss straight up bullshitting and funny comics with foul mouths and no lesson or subtext. Would love some 30 minute sets interspersed with all the message comedy.
Nope, truthfully dave put himself in that lane.
I can give my thoughts on Chap, I think he's great but once you go mainstream and get that Netflix money things change, he's that safe black guy that you don't take seriously anymore even when he offends you. They used him quick when it comes to trans, LGBT stuff, he's giving speeches on how Comedy Central did him wrong and told people stop listening to him.
He did Chap show which was alot of cooning, then got woke and tried to backtrack it, he's at the point where people just think he's a clown, he kinda left the black community a while ago and his white america jokes don't hit like that cuz we know in real life he isn't like that.
Damon is right, he's just there as a way for white folks to dilute issues with us. He's at the point where it's business, him and Kevin Hart are the same in a sense in that they not gonna mess up the bag for anyone. His specials to me are kinda boring, he just rants about America but takes the large 30 million dollar payouts so he's not gonna do much.
The problem with that is it's too cricitized, we bash it regularly and Dave knows that, no one takes Snoop Dogg seriously, it's just rehasing the bum nigga years and alot of them cats either in jail right now or underemployed and stressed, so I see why Dave flipped outta that, no real lane for that in 2022 when money and networking are everything, that nigga shit doesn't go far anymore, can't make no real paper off it or build with it.
It's just sex and jokes and even the hoes asking more.
Watching it now and after the first 5 minutes...
Damon is wrong about him saying Netflix is taking advantage of Dave, because Dave is taking advantage of Netflix.
Dave shoots a comedy show and sells it to Netflix, he's hustling them not the other way around.
Dave has lots of material and at this point people just enjoy seeing him speak. So if Netflix wants to pay for him to speak about George Floyd or the building dedication.
Something Dave was gonna do anyway, he'll gladly take the money and have it on Netflix for the world to see.
Now back to watching the clip.
Damon is wrong about him saying Netflix is taking advantage of Dave, because Dave is taking advantage of Netflix.
Dave shoots a comedy show and sells it to Netflix, he's hustling them not the other way around.
Dave has lots of material and at this point people just enjoy seeing him speak. So if Netflix wants to pay for him to speak about George Floyd or the building dedication.
Something Dave was gonna do anyway, he'll gladly take the money and have it on Netflix for the world to see.
Now back to watching the clip.
i disagree some what. I don’t think Dave is “safe negro”, but at this point he’s more orator that uses comedy then he is comedian. Watch he’s early shows and they are more comedy than what he’s doing with Netflix.
Damon Wayans isn't wrong. However Dave spent years oh, years not getting paid what he was worth because he left that money on the table for Chappelle Show.
Anybody who hasn't been allowed to work in there chosen profession for a while, when they get a chance to make money, they don't stop.
I'm not old enough to know this for sure, but how many fights did Ali take out the gate when they finally freed him? That's a good barometer right there
Anybody who hasn't been allowed to work in there chosen profession for a while, when they get a chance to make money, they don't stop.
I'm not old enough to know this for sure, but how many fights did Ali take out the gate when they finally freed him? That's a good barometer right there
Sinbad is not Richard Pryor.
Seinfeld is not Chris Rock.
Bill Burr is not Patrice O'Neal.
George Carlin is not Redd Foxx.
Robin Williams is not Eddie Murphy.
These are all different comics with different styles and different energies.
Just let Dave, do Dave...
Seinfeld is not Chris Rock.
Bill Burr is not Patrice O'Neal.
George Carlin is not Redd Foxx.
Robin Williams is not Eddie Murphy.
These are all different comics with different styles and different energies.
Just let Dave, do Dave...
I think Damon is wrong in saying Dave's being used by Netflix...the same guy who walked away from 50 million because he felt he was being used by CC is now the guy getting taken advantage of by yet another network some 15 years later?? I dont think so...
But I do agree that the appeals and speeches he's made over the last few years aren't comedy things. The George Floyd thing he did was just him working out his anger at that issue. The contract dispute thing was just that....an appeal to his fan base. This thing about his alma mater is yet another speech with some humor attached. I wouldn't even call them TED Talks because theyre not really educating people on anything more than Dave just thinking out loud and using his platform to express shit going on with him. Jerrod Carmichael did the same thing with Rothaniel. He came out of the closet, his family rejected him and he literally used the stage to express his emotional state of mind at that time.
Richard Pryor could have and may have done in a small way what both of them are doing...and if Pryor (and Carlin) had done what Daves doing...today they would be heralded as something more than just stand up comedians. Dave's moving in that direction whether he intends to or not.
But I don't think he's being used or taken advantage of by any of it.
When I say Damon Wayans is right, he is of the Mind of parsing out your talent. And Dave Chappelle has had either 4 or 5 in the same amount of years.
I don't believe Dave Chappelle is being taken advantage of, I think it's the opposite. I think he is capitalizing off of his popularity and he is talented enough and intelligent enough to know the market and making it work for him
I would argue that Dave Chappelle is pulling an Andy Dufresne, severance pay for those lean years where he wasn't making much money at all
That being said, I am sick and tired of them asking every comedian about Dave Chappelle, particularly the black comedians. For many of them it's going to come off like hate even when it's not intended that way
Here we go again.. You niggas love misusing and abusing "coon". A term most of you have no idea of what it means or how it should be applied. And to say TCS was alot of it is patently idiotic. And to then claim Dave "got woke" is more misinformed bullshit.
As for Damon Wayans, someone should ask him if that cringe horse shit on stage show that his brother Marlon is trying to pass off as "stand-up" is comedy. Nigga need to focus on that trash ass nigga. Charity starts at home.
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Damon Wayans 2018: I love Dave. He saved comedy with his bravery. The art form was dying.
Damon Wayans 2022: I love Dave. Hes doing too much comedy. Are they specials or speeches?
Damon Wayans 2022: I love Dave. Hes doing too much comedy. Are they specials or speeches?
Excellent points and I agree. Damon's not wrong here. He's also not throwing any jabs at Chapelle either.
Ok Damon I know, your team but you up to this to clout chase Dave because
you could pump your shit.. which you dont even need to do, he could fill up seats on his own
rep..
But this is just foolish commentary, you have a comedian who has his own special delivery..
His style is pretty much HIS STYLE.. nobody can say, Dave stole their jokes or way of telling them..
Im just sayin Dave is a comic legend,
And Damon is good enough a comedian he doesnt have to clout chase to sell tickets
to his shows
you could pump your shit.. which you dont even need to do, he could fill up seats on his own
rep..
But this is just foolish commentary, you have a comedian who has his own special delivery..
His style is pretty much HIS STYLE.. nobody can say, Dave stole their jokes or way of telling them..
Im just sayin Dave is a comic legend,
And Damon is good enough a comedian he doesnt have to clout chase to sell tickets
to his shows
See?
Now that's funny!!!
Why do we have to categorize and define why and what that is?
Damon hating.
He's an artist, so take from it what you will and leave the rest. You're making up rules that I've never seen codified anywhere and stating them like they are scientific facts. Sure you can define a comedians role however you wish, but he isn’t bound to your personal definition of comedy. Even if we give you that arbitrary measuring tool if entertainment is the goal you fail your own logic by questioning Dave as an entertainer.I've never seen a comedian do a SERIES of concerts that was one big piece itself.
The Age of Spin
Deep In the Heart of Texas
Equanimity
The Bird Revelation
Sticks & Stones
The Closer
there is a whole college course worth of material in those six concerts. This body of work sets him apart from every contemporary comedian thats stood on the stage in the last 100 years and I'm being literal. The ONLY other comedian I can think of thats come anywhere close is Dick Gregory the only comedian who COULD IMO do something similar would be Trevor Noah.
And while its certainly ARTISTIC the issue at this point is...is THAT COMEDY?? Are we still in the realm of comedy?
A doctors first Hippocratic oath order is to do no harm....a comedian's first order (IMO) isn't to tell the truth..its TO ENTERTAIN. The truth (as you know it) can used to do that BUT it gets very dicey when you play that rule aggressively.
Blackface is a JOKE...back when it was first done in the 1800s and sarah silverman did it 10 years ago..as a joke in the 21st century... Again we're talking about COMEDY...should this episode be banned from airing in reruns?? Cuz it is...and its just a joke.
Dave stopped doing comedy when he said "I'm team TERF" thats not a set up to a punchline its a socio-political rant which changes the tone of whats supposed to be stand up comedy.
I said this last year..
The receipts from his specials paint a distinct picture of an ultra successful entertainer, on both the right and left, almost inexplicably.
Damon is a shitpacker. Alphabet gang must have promised him a hope of a special.
Dave got it out the mudd and Damon is a big benefactor of nepotism. Aint been funny in over a decade.
I dont recall Damon ever taking a shot at Eddie/Red/Richard. So why the comments for Dave? Damon you aint been working and its shameful it comes to this to get more work. Next time, ask you brother for a fucking job and leave Dave out of your work issues.
Great paintings makes one think as well as like the pictures. It calls to you. Great music makes one think as well as dance. Lyrics matter. Great comedy makes one think as well as laugh. Dave is a genius in that department. Do I like comedy that’s just Ronchi and raw and silly? Yes I do. But as for me, Dave is on a higher level. And I still laugh.
Because of the cancel culture, he had to put more thought into providing context in his message. Still funny. Just a bit more break and downs and build ups
That part! Some people seem to have missed the memo.
i mean it literally has speech in the title.....lol
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Mr. Pool
Dave needs to make a special that funny again. All these anti cancel culture/trans issue specials are tired as fuck and boring at this point. Coming off as an alt right tool now.