Discussion: ESPN The Last Dance 10-Part Michael Jordan Documentary Series UPDATE: Early release due to coronavirus!

[tallblacknyc]

Go look at Anthony Davis stats and compare them to the rest of the players you mentioned. And before you tell me how Moses Malone would’ve bodied David, they both were 6’10. Moses 215 and Davis 235.

I also said Davis would’ve been a top 5 center in the 80’s and 90’s with his skillset. Look at the stats.

And I don’t want to hear “But But”... Just look at the stats.

Also I remember the old days quite well, I think some of you are diminishing skillsets and not remembering players with similar skillsets being successful back then.

So Anthony Davis who would be a mixture of David Robinson and Hakeem and could shoot the 3 wouldn’t be successful?

And no I’m not comparing Davis to them, just comparing the style of play and skillsets.

But if you’d like to compare those stats, feel free. I know the stats so I already know exactly what I’m talking about.

Dude in a league with no centers of course you gonna dominate.. It's obvious a Davis has great stats now he has no competition.. If I put Alonzo mourning in this era he would dominate.. Does that mean he would be top 5 in the 80s/90s... Once again there is no center position in the all star game anymore cause that's how shitty that position has become.. The NBA has literally told you they've given up on that position cause the overall talent level is no longer there... Could you imagine mlb eliminating the outfield position for all star game or nfl eliminating the rb position? NBA is pointing out the obvious to any person using the eye test.. The position sucks now.. A davis can dominate when there's no competition.. I'm not saying he garbage but he wouldn't be top 5... Stats look different if he had to play at least 28 games where he had to battle kareem, hakeem, moses, ewing, admiral.. Than throw in shaq, alonzo, duncan, brad daughtery..etc diff league... Name them type of players he facing now I'll wait

 

[REDLINE]

Dude in a league with no centers of course you gonna dominate.. It's obvious a Davis has great stats now he has no competition.. If I put Alonzo mourning in this era he would dominate.. Does that mean he would be top 5 in the 80s/90s... Once again there is no center position in the all star game anymore cause that's how shitty that position has become.. The NBA has literally told you they've given up on that position cause the overall talent level is no longer there... Could you imagine mlb eliminating the outfield position for all star game or nfl eliminating the rb position? NBA is pointing out the obvious to any person using the eye test.. The position sucks now.. A davis can dominate when there's no competition.. I'm not saying he garbage but he wouldn't be top 5... Stats look different if he had to play at least 28 games where he had to battle kareem, hakeem, moses, ewing, admiral.. Than throw in shaq, alonzo, duncan, brad daughtery..etc diff league... Name them type of players he facing now I'll wait

 

[tallblacknyc]

David Robinson and hakeem had more blocks in 1 single season than 16 teams in 2018 .. Both average 4.3 or more blocks a game and yet 16 teams with 15 players couldn't combine for that many blocks per game.. You don't want to compare the all time greats from back than to now

 

[REDLINE]

David Robinson and hakeem had more blocks in 1 single season than 16 teams in 2018 .. Both average 4.3 or more blocks a game and yet 16 teams with 15 players couldn't combine for that many blocks per game.. You don't want to compare the all time greats from back than to now

Anthony Davis career average is 2.4 per game.

Hakeem career average 3.1 blocks per game.

David Robinson career average 3.0 blocks per game.

Yes Hakeem and Robinson had years where they averaged above they’re average, but we’re looking at career stats

Again, Anthony Davis is essentially a 7 footer that shoots the 3, has enough guard skills to take taller and shorter players off the dribble. Plays solid defense along with help-side defense, and is known as a shot blocker. But somehow you believe with all those tools, that those stiff niggas in the 80’s and 90’s would lhim up so bad that he wouldn’t be a top a 5 center?

Sorry Bruh, only you believe that one. I’m not even insinuating or saying he’s the greatest. But with his skill set, he’ll prosper in any era.

Just like Hakeem would prosper, in any era. In this era, Hakeem would be Embiid. That’s who Embiid patterned his game after.

But enough about that, back to Jordan.

 

[AllUniverse17]

What skill did those centers have that Davis doesnt?

Cause I can name things Davis does that some of them could never do.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

How the fuck has this thread doubled in size since Monday with no episodes?

 

[kirkout]

This is exactly why I didn’t want to watch this shit! Fucking Jerry Reinsdorf and Jerry Krause (Crumbs)! Reinsdorf wanted to cash in on Jordan’s retirement and Crumbs wanted to build another dynasty without Jordan and Pippen. Bamas had a bunch of egos. Not even 5 minutes in and I am reminded why the Bulls broke up. Now see, I am pissed all over again like I was back in 1998!

 

[tallblacknyc]

Anthony Davis career average is 2.4 per game.

Hakeem career average 3.1 blocks per game.

David Robinson career average 3.0 blocks per game.

Yes Hakeem and Robinson had years where they averaged above they’re average, but we’re looking at career stats

Again, Anthony Davis is essentially a 7 footer that shoots the 3, has enough guard skills to take taller and shorter players off the dribble. Plays solid defense along with help-side defense, and is known as a shot blocker. But somehow you believe with all those tools, that those stiff niggas in the 80’s and 90’s would lhim up so bad that he wouldn’t be a top a 5 center?

Sorry Bruh, only you believe that one. I’m not even insinuating or saying he’s the greatest. But with his skill set, he’ll prosper in any era.

Just like Hakeem would prosper, in any era. In this era, Hakeem would be Embiid. That’s who Embiid patterned his game after.

But enough about that, back to Jordan.

Nope.. He wouldn't.. You called them stiff yet every1 of them would be the best center today.. Reem, hakeem, malone, the admiral, ewing, duncan... Hakeem would fuck around and be scoring 30+ easy a night.. You do realize there's pretty much no real middlemen... Dwight/Bynum might been the last days of center era... Now you will have maybe 3-5 dudes over a few yrs span that will dominate cause there is no competition.. Alonzo mourning would dominate right now

 

[tallblacknyc]

What skill did those centers have that Davis doesnt?

Cause I can name things Davis does that some of them could never do.

kareem- sky hook
Hakeem- arsenal of moves and footwork
Shaq- pure power
Moses malone - rebound game
Mutumbo- pure shot blocker

could add more strengths and abilities

 

[datboi]

Nope.. He wouldn't.. You called them stiff yet every1 of them would be the best center today.. Reem, hakeem, malone, the admiral, ewing, duncan... Hakeem would fuck around and be scoring 30+ easy a night.. You do realize there's pretty much no real middlemen... Dwight/Bynum might been the last days of center era... Now you will have maybe 3-5 dudes over a few yrs span that will dominate cause there is no competition.. Alonzo mourning would dominate right now

The flaw is the way the game is played. All of the centers named would be pulled out of the paint. Their game would resemble Andre Drummond. If the game was played more in the paint guys like Embiid would average the same amount of blocks. Plus the centers now have the ability to stretch out to the 3 point line

 

[the13thround]

How the fuck has this thread doubled in size since Monday with no episodes?

Quarantine / boredom

 

[REDLINE]

Nope.. He wouldn't.. You called them stiff yet every1 of them would be the best center today.. Reem, hakeem, malone, the admiral, ewing, duncan... Hakeem would fuck around and be scoring 30+ easy a night.. You do realize there's pretty much no real middlemen... Dwight/Bynum might been the last days of center era... Now you will have maybe 3-5 dudes over a few yrs span that will dominate cause there is no competition.. Alonzo mourning would dominate right now

kareem- sky hook
Hakeem- arsenal of moves and footwork
Shaq- pure power
Moses malone - rebound game
Mutumbo- pure shot blocker

could add more strengths and abilities

I gave you skillsets the of of players now Davis and Embiid that are similar to players from the 80’s and 90’s Hakeem and Robinson.

Hakeem and Robinson dominated with those skillsets, but somehow Davis wouldn’t be top 5 and I’m guessing Embiid wouldn’t either in your opinion.

I kindly asked you to look at stats to show you exactly what players did and are doing.

And no stats aren’t everything, but you mentioned Mutambo’s shot blocking. His career average is 2.8, Davis average is 2.4.

But I’m gonna give you Mutambo’s best years average, his first 10 years he averaged 3.5 blocks per game. That’s 1 block more per game than Davis.

Again, I know the stats. Until you know the stats and understand the skillsets, we can no longer speak about this specific topic.

 

[AllUniverse17]

kareem- sky hook
Hakeem- arsenal of moves and footwork
Shaq- pure power
Moses malone - rebound game
Mutumbo- pure shot blocker

could add more strengths and abilities

- The sky hook is a move, not a skill.

- Davis also has an arsenal of moves and footwork. In fact he rarely scores on pure athleticism but he has that too.

- Shaq's power/size is unique only to him.

- Davis is also great on the boards.

- Davis is also great at blocking shots.

So the only thing that really works from your list is that Davis isnt as big and powerful as Shaq.

How many of them could defend on the perimeter like Davis does?

How many of them could shoot 3s like Davis does?

How many of them could handle the ball like Davis does?

 

[stretchwallz]

How the fuck has this thread doubled in size since Monday with no episodes?

I have all 8 episodes

.....I thought they would have been posted

 

[tallblacknyc]

I gave you skillsets the of of players now Davis and Embiid that are similar to players from the 80’s and 90’s Hakeem and Robinson.

Hakeem and Robinson dominated with those skillsets, but somehow Davis wouldn’t be top 5 and I’m guessing Embiid wouldn’t either in your opinion.

I kindly asked you to look at stats to show you exactly what players did and are doing.

And no stats aren’t everything, but you mentioned Mutambo’s shot blocking. His career average is 2.8, Davis average is 2.4.

But I’m gonna give you Mutambo’s best years average, his first 10 years he averaged 3.5 blocks per game. That’s 1 block more per game than Davis.

Again, I know the stats. Until you know the stats and understand the skillsets, we can no longer speak about this specific topic.

ok going to explain it like you are a 4 yr old... The center position now is like if you play the videogame on easy mode.. The center position in the 80/90s is like playing on hard mode.. People that play on easy mode will do very good.. But when you play on hard mode the game will be difficult with less success.. Comparing your stats on easy mode to a person on hard mode kinda stupid

a Davis played during easy mode

all the all time greats I mention in the 80/90s played on hard mode.. They played more than 33 percent of their reg season games against each other..in the playoffs lot of times went head to head... Diff situation.. Diff time

 

[tallblacknyc]

- The sky hook is a move, not a skill.

- Davis also has an arsenal of moves and footwork. In fact he rarely scores on pure athleticism but he has that too.

- Shaq's power/size is unique only to him.

- Davis is also great on the boards.

- Davis is also great at blocking shots.

So the only thing that really works from your list is that Davis isnt as big and powerful as Shaq.

How many of them could defend on the perimeter like Davis does?

How many of them could shoot 3s like Davis does?

How many of them could handle the ball like Davis does?

did you really say the skyhook is not a skill? I guess catching is not a skill or juking is not a skill... Many people can not do the skyhook because it is so difficult to be consistent with it..smh now nigs downplaying the shot that was damn near unstoppable

 

[Cle Da YoungKingPin]

Need to see 9 and 10 the first 8 were amazing

 

[BlueCarpetTreatment]

Need to see 9 and 10 the first 8 were amazing

That’s what I’m waiting on! The first 8 were dope af. It’s very apparent that you should never piss off MJ or talk shit after a win. Lmao

 

[APOPHIS]

I have all 8 episodes

.....I thought they would have been posted on BGOL already

The Last Dance 1-8 Dropbox

They were.

 

[AllUniverse17]

did you really say the skyhook is not a skill? I guess catching is not a skill or juking is not a skill... Many people can not do the skyhook because it is so difficult to be consistent with it..smh now nigs downplaying the shot that was damn near unstoppable

There is a difference between basketball moves and basketball skills.

Kareem's sky hook, MJ's fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake, Harden's stepback, AI's cross... Are all basketball moves. Not basketball skills.

Shooting off the dribble , catching and shooting, or shooting with range are basketball skills, for example.

Im talking to you about skills and skillsets, confusing skills and moves doesnt get the convo anywhere.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Kobe hired camera crew to document his final season in 2015/16

Kobe Bryant had his own personal camera crew following the Los Angeles Lakers' every move during the 2015-16 season which was Bryant's last in the NBA. The crew had 'unprecedented access'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• Kobe Bryant had his own personal camera crew following the Los Angeles Lakers' every move during the 2015-16 season
• Season was Bryant's last in the NBA and the crew had 'unprecedented access' even beyond what the Lakers' television partners were granted.
• Bryant also won Oscar for Best Animated Short Film in 2017 for Dear Basketball
• Documentary could be similar to ESPN's 10-part documentary on Michael Jordan and the 1997-98 Chicago Bulls, Last Dance
• Bryant had already reviewed the edited work in progress and gave his input before his death in a helicopter crash on January 26

By Reuters

Published: 15:31 EDT, 24 April 2020 | Updated: 08:16 EDT, 26 April 2020

 

[LordSinister]

Wasn't no personal trainers, chefs, nutritionists, chartered flights and shit in the early 80's.

In the 60's there's no guaranteed contracts.

If you make blanket statements about era please add in these facts.

If you take players from today in a time machine back to the 60's, how do you think they perform? Playing in Chucks? Taking buses to games? Sleeping in segregated hotels? No smart phones and having to work a real job in the offseasons?

What about the rules? Every crossover dribble is a carry, Euro step and crab dribble is a travel and no 3 point shot.

The greats will be great in any era, but take into consideration the facts of the era. Lebron would have to college for at least 3 years back in the day, where Kareem comes straight out of power high to the pros. Jordan wouldn't have spent years learning the fundamentals that made him great, but imagine Lebron with the Wizard of Westwood or Dean Smith?

Endless possibilities people.

 

[Gemini]

 

[REDLINE]

Wasn't no personal trainers, chefs, nutritionists, chartered flights and shit in the early 80's.

In the 60's there's no guaranteed contracts.

If you make blanket statements about era please add in these facts.

If you take players from today in a time machine back to the 60's, how do you think they perform? Playing in Chucks? Taking buses to games? Sleeping in segregated hotels? No smart phones and having to work a real job in the offseasons?

What about the rules? Every crossover dribble is a carry, Euro step and crab dribble is a travel and no 3 point shot.

The greats will be great in any era, but take into consideration the facts of the era. Lebron would have to college for at least 3 years back in the day, where Kareem comes straight out of power high to the pros. Jordan wouldn't have spent years learning the fundamentals that made him great, but imagine Lebron with the Wizard of Westwood or Dean Smith?

Endless possibilities people.

Aight...

 

[playahaitian]

I am not liking all these Knicks getting dunked on highlights

Over and over and over...

I'm already about done with all this

We got EIGHT more hours of this sh*t???

 

[tallblacknyc]

There is a difference between basketball moves and basketball skills.

Kareem's sky hook, MJ's fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake, Harden's stepback, AI's cross... Are all basketball moves. Not basketball skills.

Shooting off the dribble , catching and shooting, or shooting with range are basketball skills, for example.

Im talking to you about skills and skillsets, confusing skills and moves doesnt get the convo anywhere.

shooting is a skill.. You have to learn how to correctly do it.. It's like when they use to shoot free throws under hand.. A "hook" shot is also a skill.. It is a type of shot.. Kareem happen to perfect it... Just cause it may be unorthodox to others or difficult to master doesn't mean it isn't a skill.. Bank shot was a skill... There is various shots.. The sky hook was 1 of them

 

[Cle Da YoungKingPin]

I am not liking all these Knicks getting dunked on highlights

Over and over and over...

I'm already about done with all this

We got EIGHT more hours of this sh*t???

Brooooooo! I was furious.....I had to look for some mitchell and ness knicks stuff so I can rep

 

[playahaitian]

Brooooooo! I was furious.....I had to look for some mitchell and ness knicks stuff so I can rep

Its only gonna get worser

Thankfully I'm bad boys for life too

So watching the jordan rules in action tonight?

is gonna be like endgame in 4D while getting a lapdance from kashdoll

 

[REDLINE]

Brooooooo! I was furious.....I had to look for some mitchell and ness knicks stuff so I can rep

Be careful, someone might break into your house and dunk on you too!

 

[TimRock]

obviously they bounce back against the knicks

 

[cnc]

Worm is my 2nd fav Bull ever after DRose .

 

[SIDESHOW]

I miss the old NBA

 

[pookie]

Shannon gonna be at Skip about MJ missing that free throw ..lol

 

[cnc]

Ron Harper “yeah ok fuck this bullshit“

 

[D'Evils]