Discussion: ESPN The Last Dance 10-Part Michael Jordan Documentary Series UPDATE: Early release due to coronavirus!

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Patrick Ewing scored 27 of his 36 points in the second half, as the Knicks managed to keep pace despite Jordan's amazing performance. Jordan scored his final basket on a jumper for a 111-109 lead with 25.8 seconds left. John Starks tied the game with a pair of free throws
 

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‘Last Dance’ finale
The final episodes of “The Last Dance,” ESPN’s hit documentary about Michael Jordan and the 1997-98 Chicago Bulls, aired last night. So it’s a good time to put Jordan in some historical perspective.​
That 1997-98 season capped the most successful stretch that any athlete in the three biggest American pro sports leagues has had over the past half-century. Jordan and his co-star Scottie Pippen won six championships in eight seasons (one of which Jordan took off).​
By comparison, Tom Brady won six titles over an 18-year span in football, while Derek Jeter won five titles in 14 years in baseball. Here are some of the other great runs since 1970:​
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TheThe power and reliability of nostalgia makes Hehir’s and Chung’s jobs easier. “It was almost selfish the amount of music I put in there because I just love these songs so much and they remind me of listening to them with my brothers and friends, and these things blasting out of a boombox when I was a little kid,” Hehir says. “But I did not expect for so many people to have shared that exact same experience with their friends and family, and their boomboxes back when they were kids.” Chung says they flirted with the idea of having contemporary artists cover classics. They made the correct decision to avoid that, as it would’ve undercut the potency of the songs they selected. “[Jason] wanted this thing to almost be like a time capsule,” he says. “I think that was the right choice, because part of the reason people have really responded to the show and to the music is the nostalgia factor.”
“It’s sparking nostalgia and making people think, ‘I miss that right now.’ At this time, anything is great to get us through this.” —Kay Gee
The Last Dance is an intriguing look at one of the biggest stories in sports’ history, but there’s no doubt that its inherent nostalgia is a key element of the response to it. With people forced to quarantine for the sake of self-preservation, many are finding collective solace in not only the things they enjoy, but small liberties they perhaps took for granted in the pre-coronavirus days. The Last Dance’s mission was to combine sports and music in an effort to encapsulate the era, but that adopted a different meaning when “normal” life came to a hard stop in March. In a time of severe doubt, fascination with the past has become an area of security. “I think people are watching and seeing that, and it’s sparking nostalgia and making people think, ‘I miss that right now,’” Kay Gee says. “At this time, anything is great to get us through this.”
“I’ve heard a lot of feedback from friends whose kids are playing youth-league basketball who are just as riveted by this series as their parents,” Chung says. “And I think that’s a really powerful thing: The timing of the appeal of Jordan, Jordan Brand, basketball, and the lack of sports is kind of the perfect storm for the series.” In addition to inspiring numerous debates, The Last Dance’s arrival is adjacent to certain discussions that won’t go away. The Jordan versus Kobe versus LeBron argument. If certain players would thrive in different eras. Whether Drake is a more prolific hitmaker than Jay-Z. “I think that while people are yearning for nostalgia, I think there’s also comparisons between sports today and different eras,” Chung says. “So I guess, in a way, it’s not just nostalgia, which is cool, but it’s also kicking up a lot of conversations about the differences between then and now.”
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That’s because nostalgia is a shelter. “It’s a safe, warm, comfortable place for people to go back to, and sports are such a way of connecting with people,” Hehir says. “That’s the most important aspect of sports fandom: connection. Whether it’s with your family and friends, or if it’s with strangers. High fiving a stranger next to you at a game or giving the guy wearing your team’s hat a nod. That’s how we connect with people through sports. There’s a fundamental lack of connection, globally, right now.” The Last Dance, Hehir says, serves as a remedy without feeling like medicine: “I think that, of all moments in my lifetime, this is when nostalgia is relied upon the most to make us feel better and to give us a momentary escape from a very scary time.”
All of the music featured in The Last Dance aims to establish a connection. “You’re at a party and you get to grab the aux cord and play your song, and it resonates with other people around you, and they give you a head nod like, ‘That’s a good choice,’” Hehir says. “Basically, I’m grabbing one giant aux cord and plugging it into the boom box that is this documentary and trying to get people to give me that nod that acknowledges they love this music, too. That’s a way of connecting strangers: through art.”
Still, Hehir insists he isn’t holding a torch for old-school hip-hop despite his relationship with it. “This was a nod to the people from that generation,” he says. “To say, ‘This, to me, was anthemic music for a pivotal moment in pop culture to see the rise of this team and this one superstar.’ So it was certainly done in hopes that the people who were alive then will connect with it, but if new fans want to connect with this music and their eyes are opened to the greatness of it, then fine. But I don’t even begrudge younger kids if they think current hip-hop is better than old hip-hop, because I felt that way 20 years ago.”
The music of The Last Dance charts hip-hop’s leap from nascent art form to the brink of its celebration as a dominant genre while Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls secured their place in history. It embodies the nostalgia that has become a safe form of escapism during the pandemic. We have little choice but to engage with the past for entertainment right now because the future seems bleak.
Julian Kimble has written for The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Undefeated, GQ, Billboard, Pitchfork, The Fader, SB Nation, and many more.
 

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That whole gambling thing with MJ would not have been as bad had Michael just admitted that he gambled and he loved to gamble, but he can afford it. Basically telling everyone to fuck off. Mike was so concerned about his image that he got super defensive about it and that just made it worse.

I guess it was a different time, but I wish he would have told them he was good and worry about something else.
 

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Mark Jackson, Jalen Rose and the other Pacers kept saying last night and now on ESPN talking on every show about they were the better team. They had SEVEN GAMES to prove it and lost, so after all these years you’d think they‘d realized they weren’t the better team:lol:
 

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they talked about Steve Kerr for about 10 minutes out of a 9 hour documentary :lol: :roflmao2:

Fam...

You don't understand

There is so much psychological sh*t going on right now.

This director gonna realize he messed with forces beyond the control of mortal men.

Mark my words...

Bookmark this

There is gonna be some type of RESPONSE documentary in the near future to this.

The amount of stray shots sorayed over thesr 10 hours?

Oh there gonna be payback.

And I'm all for it.
 

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Mark Jackson, Jalen Rose and the other Pacers kept saying last night and now on ESPN talking on every show about they were the better team. They had SEVEN GAMES to prove it and lost, so after all these years you’d think they‘d realized they weren’t the better team:lol:

And ummm

Lost to the new york knicks after THAT

just saying

Whut up doe
 

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That whole gambling thing with MJ would not have been as bad had Michael just admitted that he gambled and he loved to gamble, but he can afford it. Basically telling everyone to fuck off. Mike was so concerned about his image that he got super defensive about it and that just made it worse.

I guess it was a different time, but I wish he would have told them he was good and worry about something else.

It wasn't even the gambling fam

It was WHO has gambling excuse me

LOSING to that made this serious sh*t

And trust if he even tried that in social media?

He would have been tortured.
 

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This is getting stupid, but if people and yourself want to call yourself the “GOAT” over Jordan. I guess some others have to share their opinions.

 

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This is getting stupid, but if people and yourself want to call yourself the “GOAT” over Jordan. I guess some others have to share their opinions.



but here is the thing old heads (sadly like myself)

are gonna STILL criticize

Cause what ELSE is he supposed to say?

When you and your entire GENERATION of fellow athletes are CONSTANTLY accused of being weak mentally fraternizing too much etc etc?

I completely understand that,.

which is FUNNY cause you got those SAME PAST PLAYERS after this documentary saying...

Jordan is NOT the GOAT

that is why all these "comparisons" especially against LeBron to me is laughable and getting sad.

and f*ck ESPN for hyping THAT particular aspect up so much.
 

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Jerry Reinsdorf At Peace With How Bulls' Dynasty Ended
MAY 18, 2020 3:54 PM

Jerry Reinsdorf pitched Michael Jordan on returning to the Chicago Bulls for the 98-99 season just a few days into the lockout.

"Don't say anything now," Reinsdorf told Jordan. "We're in a lockout. We don't know how long this lockout is going to go. Let's get to the end, and maybe I can talk Phil [Jackson] back into it. Maybe after ... maybe he'll change his mind. So don't say anything."

Jordan reaffirmed he wouldn't play for anyone except Jackson, but he agreed to not make any final decisions until Reinsdorf talked to Jackson.
"I asked Phil to come back," Reinsdorf said. "And he says, 'No, it's time.' That was the expression he used, 'It's time.'"

Reinsdorf watched each episode of The Last Dance twice.

"The thing nobody wants to remember," Reinsdorf said, "during lockout, Michael was screwing around with a cigar cutter, and he cut his finger. He couldn't have played that year. He had to have surgery on the finger, so even if we could've brought everybody back, it wouldn't have made any sense."
Reinsdorf said it wouldn't have made a difference even if Jordan hadn't injured himself.

"The fact is, it's pretty obvious in 1998 that Michael carried this team," he said. "These guys were gassed. He could not have come back because of the cut finger. But even if he could've come back, the other players [Steve Kerr, Luc Longley, Jud Buechler, Dennis Rodman] were going to get offers that were way in excess of what they were worth.

"I know in Episode 10, [Jordan] says, 'They all would've come back for one year.' But there's not a chance in the world that Scottie Pippen would've come back on a one-year contract when he knew he could get a much bigger contract someplace else."

Pippen went to the Houston Rockets on a five-year, $67.2 million deal in a sign-and-trade.

Reinsdorf said he wishes the Bulls could have gone for one more title, but he's at peace with how things ended.

 

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:lol:

Imagine emulating MJ your whole career and being considered closest to him, but ESPN and bball purists rank a guy thats "nothing like him" as the GOAT to 2nd all time while you barely in the top 10. Even the year you die and everyone is honoring you. Jordan dickriding doesnt pay, you just get played in the end. :smh:
 

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Michael Jordan, Jerry Reinsdorf on whether Chicago Bulls could have gone for 7th title


“The Last Dance” documentary left fans wondering whether the Chicago Bulls executives could have brought the team back for a possible shot at a seventh NBA championship.

Team owner Jerry Reinsdorf and Michael Jordan both got their final words in on whether the team could have been brought back for a final run.

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“After the sixth championship, things were beyond our control, because it would have been suicidal at that point in their careers to bring back Pippen, Steve Kerr, Rodman, Ron Harper. Their market value individually was going to be too high. They weren’t going to be worth the money they were going to get in the market,” Reinsdorf said.

“So when we realized we were going to have to go into a rebuild, I went to Phil [Jackson] and said ‘You’re welcome the opportunity to come back the next year.’ But he said, ‘I don’t want to go through a rebuild. I don’t want to coach a bad team.’ That was the end. It just came to an end on its own. Had Michael been healthy and wanted to come back, I don’t doubt that Krause could have rebuilt another championship team in a couple of years, but it wasn’t going to happen instantly.”

Jordan said he didn’t believe Reinsdorf because then-General Manager Jerry Krause already said before the start of the season that Jackson could have gone undefeated and the team wasn’t going to be back.

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“We knew they weren’t going to keep the team. Now, they could have nixed all of it at the beginning of ’98. Why say that statement at the beginning of ’98?” Jordan wondered.


He added that if everyone was offered a one-year deal to try for a seventh title, everyone including himself would have signed the deal and tried.

“If you ask all the guys who won in '98, Steve Kerr, Jud Buechler, blah blah blah, we give you a one-year contract to try for a seventh, you think they would have signed them? Yes, they would have signed them. Would I have signed for one year? Yes, I would have signed for one year. I'd been signing one-year contracts up to that. Would Phil have done it? Yes. Now Pip, you would have had to do some convincing, but if Phil was gonna be there, Dennis was gonna be there, if M.J. was gonna be there, to win our seventh? Pip is not gonna miss out on that,” he said.

Jordan called not getting a chance at a seventh title “maddening.”

 
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MJ's mom wasn't with the shit :lol:

Put that yak down and sit up straight young man


Michael Jordan had a cigar in only 1 of his 'The Last Dance' interviews

Michelle R. Martinelli

May 4, 2020 2:32 pm



From Michael Jordan’s on-court demeanor to his life off of it — including an appetite for gambling a lot — there is an abundance of content to digest from ESPN’s The Last Dance, the 10-part documentary series about Jordan, the Chicago Bulls and their success in the 1990s.
And that includes Jordan’s sit-down interviews.

Following Sunday’s airing of the fifth and sixth episodes of The Last Dance, director Jason Hehir joined The Jalen & Jacoby Aftershow to break down what fans just saw in the docuseries. At one point, Jalen Rose and David Jacoby dove into what it was actually like for Hehir to interview Jordan about so many topics.

Hehir explained that he and his team interviewed Jordan multiple times for The Last Dance, three of which have appeared in the doc so far. The first time was in June of 2018, and Hehir said he didn’t speak with Jordan again until May of 2019 — when he set out with an even more specific plan for what he called a “surgical” interview to fill in some major holes in the production at that point.

Well, as it turns out, Jordan went into it with a slightly different pre-interview plan too, thanks to his mom, Deloris Jordan. According to Hehir, the reason Jordan has a drink and cigar next to him in their first interview (when he’s wearing the dark blue shirt) and not in the subsequent ones is because Deloris didn’t care for it.

Hehir said:

“He couldn’t have a cigar on set because his mom got mad at him. And he said, ‘I can’t have the cigars today because my mom got mad at me because she saw me smoking a cigar.'”

Gotta listen to your mom, even when you’re the GOAT, even if you’re seen throughout the doc smoking multiple cigars and even if you smoke six cigars a day.

That then opened the door for Rose to then bring up Jordan’s drink in that interview and the varying levels of it. When Rose asked how Jordan’s glass appeared to get refilled throughout that interview, Hehir said:
“I don’t know because that was our first interview with him and, quite frankly, I was [expletive] myself about interviewing Michael Jordan for the first time for a 10-hour documentary. And I could care less — he could have plutonium in that glass and it would be fine with me.

“The other thing that’s misleading is that, all right, you can look at the levels of that glass, [but] also look at the lighting in the background. So sometimes the glass is low, and it’s dark out. Sometimes it’s high with full ice cubes, and it’s broad daylight. We interviewed him around five or six at night, so it went from day to night. That first interview took three hours. He didn’t get out of that chair until 8:30, 9 o’clock.

“So he may be talking about how intense he is in practice at 5:45. He may have another thought about that at 8:15, and we may edit those two thoughts together in the edit room. So when you see one shot and his glass is up here [gestures], it doesn’t mean that while we went to a B-roll he chugged the thing and took a triple shot.”
this was right before we found out that michael jordan went and got dennis rodman from vegas who was in bed with carmen electra. pic.twitter.com/PzwJtAIBgN
— whitney medworth (@its_whitney)
April 27, 2020

That’s basic editing. And whether it’s because MJ’s mom doesn’t like him smoking or, presumably, drinking mid-interview or for the sake of continuity, perhaps it’s best he’s not doing either in the later interviews. Although, it is a pretty classic look for him as viewers learn more about his competitive and petty nature.

 
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