Discussion: Falcon and The Winter Soldier UPDATE: Captain America 4 Brave New World NEW TRAILER!!!
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Its solid and DC animation is great. Movies and making a universe well that shit is garbage...
Shit their animated joint aren't that good anymore either
Sam Wilson's Captain America Speech from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Season Finale
Read the captivating speech that Sam Wilson made as the new Captain America. This speech was featured in Marvel's Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
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Senator: Sincerely. You did your part in dealing with those terrorists. Now we’ll do ours.
Sam: Are you still going forward with resetting the borders?
Senator 2: Our peacekeeping troops will begin relocating people soon. The terrorists only set us back a bit.
Sam: You have to stop calling them terrorists.
Senator: What else would we call them?
Sam: Your Peace Keeping troops, carrying weapons, are forcing millions of people into settlements around the world, right? What do you think those people are going to call you? These labels, terrorists, refugees, thug. They’re often used to get around the question ‘why.’
Senator 2: Those settlements that happened five years ago. Do you think it is fair for governments to have to support that?
Sam: Yes.
Senator: And the people who reappeared only to find someone else living in their family home, they just end up homeless? I get it. But you have no idea how complicated this situation is.
Sam: You know what, you’re right, and that’s a good thing. We finally have a common struggle now. Think about that. For once, all the people who’ve been begging and, I mean, literally begging for you to feel how hard any given day is, now, you know. How did it feel to be helpless? If you can remember what it was like to be helpless and face a force so powerful, it could erase half the planet. You wouldn’t know that you were about to have the exact same impact. This isn’t about easy decisions. Senator.
Senator: You just don’t understand.
Sam: I’m a black man, carrying the stars and strips. What don’t I understand? Every time I pick this thing up, I know there are millions of people out there who are going To hate me for it. Even now, here. I feel it. The stares, the judgment, and there’s nothing I can do to change it. And I’m still here. No super serum. No blonde hair or blue eyes. The only power I have is that I believe we can do better.
We can’t demand that people step up if we don’t meet them halfway. You control the banks. Shit, You can move borders. You can knock down a forest with an email. You could feed a million people With a phone call. But the question is, who was in the room with you when you’re making those decisions? Is it the people you’re going to impact? Or is it just more people like you?
I mean, this girl died trying to stop you. And no one has stopped for one second to ask why. You’ve got to do better. Senator, you’ve got to step up because if you don’t, the next Karli will, and you don’t want to see 2.0. People believed in her cause so much that they helped her defy the strongest governments in the world. Why do you think that is? A few people have just as much power as an insane God or misguided teenager. The question you have to ask yourself is how are you going to use it?
Bucky: Sorry. I was, uh, I was texting. And so all I heard was a black guy in stars and stripes. Nice job, Cap.
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The Power of a Skeptical Captain America
All season long, "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" asked not only what it meant for a Black man to inherit the storied shield—it asked whether the shield was worthy of him.
The Power of a Skeptical Captain America
All season long, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier asked not only what it meant for a Black man to inherit the storied shield—it asked whether the shield was worthy of him.
SOPHIE GILBERTAPRIL 23, 2021
MARVEL STUDIOS
This article contains spoilers through the entirety of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Avengers: Endgame.
Superlative television should always know what it wants to be, and on that front, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier has felt more like Marvel’s exercise in trying things out than a series with a fully realized sense of self. Sam Wilson (played by Anthony Mackie) and Bucky Barnes (Sebastian Stan) have zoomed in and out of a hodgepodge of tonal plays over the past six weeks: comic caper heists and naturalistic studies of grief and trauma; scenes of poignant social commentary and scenes of flamboyant nightclubs on shadowy island nations. They’ve traveled from therapy offices to bank branches to refugee camps to squillion-dollar Latvian hideaways. There was a feel-good extended montage I can describe only as Extreme Boat Makeover: Neighborhood Edition. Whatever your taste as a viewer, there was probably something you found gratifying, even if it rarely lasted very long.
But the show, whose season finale aired today, always knew what it wanted to say. From the first episode, in which Sam’s bank manager tried to place where he knew this telegenic Black man from (“Did you used to play for LSU?”), to the end, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier has wrestled with an idea: Who are superheroes for? And can a nationalist symbol be reclaimed by someone whom that nation has consistently and historically rejected?
The show, created by Malcolm Spellman, is one of the flagship series intended to expand the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s characters and stories into TV for the streaming service Disney+. Its odd-couple setup pairs two of the previous Captain America’s sidekicks in recent movies, one of whom was anointed by then-Cap Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) as his successor at the end of Avengers: Endgame. But The Falcon and the Winter Soldier also presents an opportunity to see what might be coming in the next phase of storytelling in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as well as how far things have come. Only six years ago the MCU was still being overseen by Ike Perlmutter, the longtime Marvel CEO best known for reportedly stalling Black Panther and Captain Marvel because he didn’t think tentpole movies framed around a Black character and a woman would attract audiences. (Perlmutter is also known for allegedly scaling back production of Black Widow merchandise in 2015 because he didn’t think girls cared about superheroes, and for donating $360,600 in 2019 to the Trump Victory committee funding the former president’s reelection efforts).
In 2015, Kevin Feige—the architect behind the sprawling, financially explosive MCU—staged a rebellion and won, removing the MCU from Perlmutter’s influence. One of the results is a show that was able to invert decades of tired debate over the legacies of storied white characters: Sam Wilson, a Black man, not only was finally deemed “worthy” of becoming Captain America, but was given space to ask over six episodes whether the role of Captain America was worthy of him.
Anyone who watched the show might have questioned Sam’s decision to ultimately accept the mantle in the final episode. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier may have struggled with defining its tone, relying on frantic set pieces and budgetary excess to pad its six-hour running time. But its commitment to the overarching theme of American heroes and the dangers of exceptionalism has been unwavering. At the end of Avengers: Endgame, Steve passed his shield to Sam, a symbolic handing-down of a legacy that seemed uncomfortable to its recipient from the beginning. The shield, Sam told Cap, felt like it was “someone else’s,” a statement that was easy to interpret at the time as simple jitters, but that came, over the new series, to stand for something else.
Read: ‘Avengers: Endgame’ is a perfect goodbye
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier enhanced its universe with the kind of realism Marvel productions have typically resisted. Set six months after the return of half of humankind from a five-year period of nonexistence imposed by Thanos’s “Blip,” the show imagined what some of the emotional and geopolitical consequences of that reset might have been. While most people cheered the re-arrival of the people who’d been lost, a significant number were displaced yet again from the homes and nations they’d suddenly been given access to on a less crowded planet. “Trust me. Every time something gets better for one group, it gets worse for another,” Sam told his protégé, Joaquin (Danny Ramirez), while discussing the origins of the Flag Smashers, a group opposed to both global borders and the forced resettlement of refugees that began after the Blip was reversed.
Practical issues don’t always compute in the MCU. (How did Wanda Maximoff see so many American sitcoms growing up under the Iron Curtain in Sokovia? My colleague David Sims theorized that she watched a lot of Nick at Nite in the Avengers’ penthouse, which partly turned out to be true.) The issue of who pays for superheroes in particular has always been shunted aside, with the tacit understanding that Tony Stark has a lot of money and that gargantuan military budgets make up the rest. But with Sam, whose sister had been left to support her family alone for the five years he was gone, the series presented some harsh realism: Not only do Avengers not get paid, but if they’re Black and have a five-year void on their credit history, they won’t get approved for loans no matter how many selfies the bank manager wants to take with them.
In the first few episodes, Sam was repeatedly confronted with how little his country thought of him. He was denied a loan, his gift of Cap’s shield was requisitioned by the government without warning and given to a white man (John Walker, played by Wyatt Russell), and he was informed that there had already been a Black super-soldier whom no one had thought to tell him about. That character, Isaiah Bradley (Carl Lumbly), was drawn from Truth: Red, White, and Black, a groundbreaking seven-issue comic series from 2003 by the writer Robert Morales, inspired in part by the real-life Tuskegee Study. In the story, the U.S. government experimented on 300 Black soldiers during World War II with the intention of creating superpowered troops. Only one survived. As Isaiah tells Sam in the series, he was imprisoned for his troubles, and the letters his wife sent him were hidden for decades until a nurse helped him escape. In last week’s The Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode, Isaiah told Sam that “they” will never let a Black man be Captain America, adding a coda: No self-respecting Black man should ever want the role.
Read: Why I’m writing ‘Captain America’
America has its egregious failings; so, too, does Marvel. (Consider the minstrelsy character Whitewash Jones for evidence.) Sam’s ultimate decision, though, was based not on his clear-eyed analysis of what America is and has been, but on a more personal interrogation of how he might try to change it. When my former colleague Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote an essay for The Atlantic in 2018 explaining why he’d agreed to take on writing the character of Captain America for Marvel comics, he cited his own conflicts with Steve as a character, and Steve’s stubborn loyalty to the American dream, as motivation. “Writing, for me, is about questions—not answers,” he wrote. “And Captain America, the embodiment of a kind of Lincolnesque optimism, poses a direct question for me: Why would anyone believe in the Dream?” Investigation even in the face of doubt: This seems to summarize why Sam takes on the loaded burden of Captain America, a flag-wearing symbol of a country that has failed the better angels of its nature over and over again. But progress is more possible the more visible it becomes, and the more questions are allowed to be put forward. “Every time I pick this thing up, I know there are millions of people out there who are gonna hate me for it,” Sam tells a U.S. senator in the finale. “The only power I have is that I believe we can do better.”
Dam that fell off too?
I didn't know that. Yep time to hit that cancel button.....
'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier' Finale: A Miscarriage of Justice
A muddled conclusion fails to fully explain who our heroes and villains are, or why they do what they do, says TV critic Alan Sepinwall.
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the imagery of the falcon descending holding that young woman's body...
damn that was powerful
damn that was powerful
They goin' out sad.
I don't care about it being "preachy". Sort of thought that is what Captain America is suppose to be. Preachy lol. I haven't heard anyone have issues with it but then again I don't really see that shit form people I know so shit that's interesting people have a problem with it.
But I guess I shouldn't be shocked. I remember people complaining about the scene in Endgame that had all the women come together.....just seems like a odd thing to complain about.
Exactly and look what Marvel Studios has done to him; turned him into a mainstream household name; same as AntMan, same as Guardians; these are like Marvels C level characters; DC be failing consistently with fucking their A prime plus characters
While true....DC characters are just boring. And I'm not speaking on the comics just how they translate into film. Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman....and there are some Marvel characters I do find boring too. I found Thor to be boring until they revamped him. DC characters come across as one dimensional and not human. Says something when Harley Quinn is the one who comes across the most human in that film division.....
Ain't nothing they can do. I Don't care what nobody says man them DC characters just boring as fuck. The ones they making movies about anyway. Let's see what ol' boy does with this new Suicide Squad. Even Marvel knows some characters don't translate well into their universe.Shidddddddd. They done did that at least 3 or feaux times, seems like. Still, nothing
another big criticism is i think that they fucked up his costume. his uniform should have fit like the rest of the avengers. it looks like it doesn't fit him correctly.
I know the feelings but it was comic book appropriate.
Exactly. That Superman story arc shouldn’t happen until after a few solo movies and couple justice league flicks
It single handedly made me quit. That's my favorite DC storyline. Read through the death and returns 100x
Meanwhile, I've disliked the Avengers, as a collective as well as individuals in the comics to this day, and loooove the Marvel films! It's insane how well they've fleshed out those IPs
DC has some good stories but I always felt Marvel stories and characters were better; mainly because their faults and failures were always exposed. Also a lot of them went back and forth between heros and villans; so in essence what u say about appearing more human is probably true...
Npw why DC cant do this is shameful...
I realize it was comic book accurate. But they need to improve the fit
Y'all both right.
The fit was a little to bloated too much fake muscle
but damn it looked EXACTLY like the comic
And some of those shots of him in flight and in mid action were actually beautiful
So has it been confirmed there will be a second season..? I missed if they did this caption at the very end...
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier will return.
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier will return.
Slow cap
Bucky and falcon couldn’t do it without us “I don’t need a shield” agent
Bucky and falcon couldn’t do it without us “I don’t need a shield” agent
True. They also need to fire Snyder.Shidddddddd. They done did that at least 3 or feaux times, seems like. Still, nothing
Yep. DC busy trying to build a universe and never did any character development....basically they said look this is Batman and Superman.....you love them and we basically just gonna show you why you love them. Their films serve as a highlight reel for their superhero’s......especially Superman.
Yeah...his films are already boring...that dull ass color palette doesn’t help at all. Then they have the nerve to base all of their films around his filmmaking.....
Okay. So I've watched it a couple of times and took some time before commenting.
I really liked the way they took on racism head-on, no beating around the bush. And they didn't give easy answers because IRL there are no easy answers. +1
The last episode had too many deus ex machinas for me. It's one of the weak points of multiple story arcs and limited time - you have to tie (most) of them up in x number of minutes, so it felt rushed. Karli and Sharon's character's history especially. And Batroc seemed a gratuitous add-on.
The set pieces were typical Marvel quality but I thought there were too many of them. I felt the show at times sacrificed action for character development.
And I wanna know why Falcon/Cap didn't get one of those energy discharge suits like BP had?
Oh, and last, Walkers wife can sho nuff get the dizznik:
I really liked the way they took on racism head-on, no beating around the bush. And they didn't give easy answers because IRL there are no easy answers. +1
The last episode had too many deus ex machinas for me. It's one of the weak points of multiple story arcs and limited time - you have to tie (most) of them up in x number of minutes, so it felt rushed. Karli and Sharon's character's history especially. And Batroc seemed a gratuitous add-on.
The set pieces were typical Marvel quality but I thought there were too many of them. I felt the show at times sacrificed action for character development.
And I wanna know why Falcon/Cap didn't get one of those energy discharge suits like BP had?
Oh, and last, Walkers wife can sho nuff get the dizznik:
He should have beat Carly ass to a pulp doing so would have saved her life and exposed the power broker.